Brain Mapping to Prevent Child Sexual Abuse

[ShyGuyInChicago]

If such a thing were possible would you support a system that sought to PREVENT child sexual abuse by using brain mapping to identify those who are attracted to children, and then giving them psychological help to prevent them acting on their feelings, and locking up such people in mental hospital if they refuse to be helped or can't be helped.

In case the words above are difficult to understand:

I have thought that we as a society should encourage people who are attracted to children to seek help if they cannot control their urges on their own. I have also imagined the possibility of giving people mental examination to determine who is likely to molest children and then give them help, or commit them in mental hospitals if they refuse to be helped or cannot be helped. This sounds like the movie Minority Report, where in the future people are arrested from crimes they have not yet committed. I feel that we need to do more to prevent child sexual abuse and that teaching people how to protect their kids and teaching children to be safe is not enough.

[Short Circuit]

No need for brain mapping. When a person commits the first offense of child molestation, CASTRATE them, that will be the only way to prevent them from doing it again. I know this sounds harsh, but once the bits have been removed, ALL sexual urges are then stopped.

But where do you think child molestation starts? Is it when you "experiment" with other boys in your teenage years? After all, in some cases, you are "molesting" another boy. I have seen posts on here, about 14/15 year olds, saying they like seeing pre pubescent boys naked, and should they teach them how to masturbate. Is that not child molestation?

I think this could be an very emotive subject, and hopefully, can be an interesting topic, providing trolling does not take over.

[Sporadica]

Well in Canada you cannot lock someone up for refusing mental treatment. Citizens have a right to decide what medical treatment that they can recieve. I think this is rediculous because will power is one thing that isn't accounted for.

It's like IBMs probability system in British prison deciding that based on your family and crime history how likely you'd be able to re offend, parole boards keep people in forever because the computer says they're a risk.

well tangent but w/e

[Amaryllis]

No need for brain mapping. When a person commits the first offense of child molestation, CASTRATE them, that will be the only way to prevent them from doing it again. I know this sounds harsh, but once the bits have been removed, ALL sexual urges are then stopped.
Da fuq. What about female sexual abusers? Cut off their boobs? Seal their vaginas? And what makes you think sexual abuse only includes sexual intercourse against the will of the child?

It can include exposing children to inappropriate scenes e.g. making a kid film your sex tape or showing them porn. It can also be touching a child inappropriately and forcing children to do sexual acts e.g. watching or undressing a kid.

Anyway, castration is -completely- inhumane and ridiculous.

But where do you think child molestation starts? Is it when you "experiment" with other boys in your teenage years? After all, in some cases, you are "molesting" another boy. I have seen posts on here, about 14/15 year olds, saying they like seeing pre pubescent boys naked, and should they teach them how to masturbate. Is that not child molestation?
It's not child molestation if both parties are children, sweetie....

I think this could be an very emotive subject, and hopefully, can be an interesting topic, providing trolling does not take over.
Lol. *cough*

[Genghis Khan]

But where do you think child molestation starts? Is it when you "experiment" with other boys in your teenage years? After all, in some cases, you are "molesting" another boy. I have seen posts on here, about 14/15 year olds, saying they like seeing pre pubescent boys naked, and should they teach them how to masturbate. Is that not child molestation?

You don't know what you're talking about.

[Short Circuit]

Da fuq. What about female sexual abusers? Cut off their boobs? Seal their vaginas? And what makes you think sexual abuse only includes sexual intercourse against the will of the child?

It can include exposing children to inappropriate scenes e.g. making a kid film your sex tape or showing them porn. It can also be touching a child inappropriately and forcing children to do sexual acts e.g. watching or undressing a kid.




Where did I say it only involves intercourse? Nope, cant see that anywhere in my original post.

It is extremely rare for a woman to sexually abuse children. The majority of abusers are MEN. Castration (removal of sex organs), stops a man from having any sexual desires. However, this can also be done by drugs, You should take note of the fact that 1 in 6 kids HAVE BEEN ABUSED by the time they are 16, only 23% of boys will report it, while 43% of girls will report it.

You don't know what you're talking about.


Why do you say that? So if I am in bed, and one of my friends puts his hand under the covers and touches me, then he has not, in your opinion, committed a sex act against my will? Got news for you, YES HE HAS.

Do you really want me to look thru the threads on this board to support my statement that boys on this forum have stated they like seeing pre-pubescent boys naked, and want to teach them how to masturbate? I can do that if you want

Please don't double post; use the Multi-quote button instead. ~TheMatrix

[Amaryllis]

Where did I say it only involves intercourse? Nope, cant see that anywhere in my original post.
You plan to castrate sex offenders in order to rid them of sexual urges - but does the member not realise exposing a child to pornography or requiring a child to be present during sexual intercourse with or without the child being physically handled - constitutes as child sexual abuse as well?

It is extremely rare for a woman to sexually abuse children. The majority of abusers are MEN. Castration (removal of sex organs), stops a man from having any sexual desires. However, this can also be done by drugs,
Rarity does not nullify existence. Simply because it is not as common of an occurrence, does not make it any less horrid - it does not mean victims do not suffer.

If a man were subject to castration - why should punishments for female sex offenders be more lenient?

You should take note of the fact that 1 in 6 kids HAVE BEEN ABUSED by the time they are 16, only 23% of boys will report it, while 43% of girls will report it.
And you have to "take note of the fact" that this only applies to america and what you classify is abuse is what many other cultures classify as normal and discipline.

Slapped in the face, beaten with a stick, whipped with a belt? That is definitely not child abuse. And statistics can be misleading. And do you not realise abuse can be emotional, as well? 1 in 6 children worldwide are not sexually abused.

And 23% of girls and 43% of boys...? How in the world di you get that number?

[embers]

only 23% of boys will report it, while 43% of girls will report it.

How the fuck do you produce that statistic?

[Donkey]

How the fuck do you produce that statistic?

87% of statistics are made up on the spot.

[trooneh]

87% of statistics are made up on the spot.

1.61803399% of 87% of statistics made up on the spot are correct when made up

[aperson444]

You can't "map the brain" and determine if someone is attracted to children. The only way I could think of that working is if you show child porn to someone and a region of the brain involving pleasure or sexual stimulation lights up like a Christmas tree -- this is usually done with PET scans and the like using radiolabelled glucose. But a lot of normal people may find child porn -- especially borderline (jailbail -- pubescent or nearly pubescent children) sexually stimulating? Wanna know why? It's simple. The younger the human, the more capable it is of reproduction, provided the individual has gone or is going through puberty. The one goal in the lives of all organisms is to reproduce. Not to survive, but to survive long enough to reproduce. That is why I think that certain forms of pedophilia actually represent a hyper-desire for reproduction -- by pursuing the most fertile of fruit. The whole social taboo thing doesn't help either. Now pedophilia involving pre-pre pubescent children is probably some sort of psychosocial disorder. Many pedophiles actually display symptoms of depression or mania. Many have very low self esteem and view themselves as sexually inadequate, thus they feel the need for sexual release on less intimidating individuals. You have to understand -- Women are extremely intimidating. Seriously. The whole idea of becoming emotionally or physically connected with a woman is daunting for many. The same can be said for women to men, but in general men are taught from birth to hide this sense of fear; to act confident in every way, shape and form.

Thus, I conclude that pedophilia is primarily a product of Western Capitalist society. There's nothing we can really do about it.

[Short Circuit]

Amarllyis You are defending Sexual Abuse to well there matey!

As for the stats, do what I did GOOGLE FOR FECKING THING!

[Genghis Khan]

Why do you say that? So if I am in bed, and one of my friends puts his hand under the covers and touches me, then he has not, in your opinion, committed a sex act against my will? Got news for you, YES HE HAS.

You're pretty worked up about being touched by your peers. Besides, you missed my point, you mentioned how participating in experimentation with dudes as old as you when you're 14 could make you a child molester because you're copulating with a 'boy'. That's stupid and wrong.

But where do you think child molestation starts? Is it when you "experiment" with other boys in your teenage years? After all, in some cases, you are "molesting" another boy. I have seen posts on here, about 14/15 year olds, saying they like seeing pre pubescent boys naked, and should they teach them how to masturbate. Is that not child molestation?

Do you really want me to look thru the threads on this board to support my statement that boys on this forum have stated they like seeing pre-pubescent boys naked, and want to teach them how to masturbate? I can do that if you want

Look up what pre-pubescent means before associating boys of age 14/15 years with it. Besides I wouldn't be surprised if you brought me someone who's replaced his genitals with a lampshade.

[Short Circuit]

You're pretty worked up about being touched by your peers. Besides, you missed my point, you mentioned how participating in experimentation with dudes as old as you when you're 14 could make you a child molester because you're copulating with a 'boy'. That's stupid and wrong.





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Experimentation is where BOTH parties consent to it. I said, if I was in my bed, and another boy put his hands under the covers and touched me up then the person touching me is a child molester. I did not give consent, I am a minor, therefore, legaly I am classed as a child, and the person touching me is a molester. End of.

{QUOTE=Yazdegard;1530768]Look up what pre-pubescent means before associating boys of age 14/15 years with it. Besides I wouldn't be surprised if you brought me someone who's replaced his genitals with a lampshade[QUOTE]

I said there are posts on here, FROM 14/15 year olds saying they like looking at pre-pubescent (boys who have not yet reached puberty) and ask if that is normal. No it certainly is not normal to lust after pre-pubescent boys.

There is no age limit as to when someone becomes a Child Sexual Abuser, 13 and 14 year olds are in jail because they raped younger people, or fiddled with young kids.

Let me ask you this, would YOU be happy for your child to be sexually abused and the person, whatever age they are, would just be sent to hospital to get thier Brain Mapped, just to try to prevent them doing it again in the future?

I will remind you again of the Title of this topic:

Re: Brain Mapping to Prevent Child Sexual Abuse

Once a kiddy fiddler, always a kiddy fiddler, the only way to stop them is to chop thier balls off!

[trooneh]

Let me ask you this, would YOU be happy for your child to be sexually abused and the person, whatever age they are, would just be sent to hospital to get thier Brain Mapped, just to try to prevent them doing it again in the future?

I will remind you again of the Title of this topic:

Re: Brain Mapping to Prevent Child Sexual Abuse

Once a kiddy fiddler, always a kiddy fiddler, the only way to stop them is to chop thier balls off!


I'd also ask you to reread the title of this thread. It mentions preventing child sexual abuse or molestation. That may mean preemptively screening those considered at a high risk to offend in order to act before it becomes a problem. However, this also raises a number of ethical issues that need to be considered, such as will this create a big brother type of state?

[StoppingTime]

Kyle, you have no real statistics to back up any of your ideas.

But here I a simple question for you to think about:

Would castrating someone stop their impulses 100 percent? Couldn't they then just force the child to have sex with them anyway?

[Jupiter]

Guys.. can we please NOT bash Kyle.. Everyone has their own views, and if someone were neg repping YOU for your views, and you would stand alone, when all these people were attacking you, you would leave right? props to kyle, for standing up for himself. THIS IS A FREAKING HELP SITE, NOT A TAKE PEOPLE DOWN SITE. Recover, Learn, and Learn together? I guess not.

[StoppingTime]

We are debating. Nobody is bashing.

[Jupiter]

You're ganging up on him. And I'm sure you're neg repping him. I'm done in here.

[embers]

Guys.. can we please NOT bash Kyle.. Everyone has their own views, and if someone were neg repping YOU for your views, and you would stand alone, when all these people were attacking you, you would leave right? props to kyle, for standing up for himself. THIS IS A FREAKING HELP SITE, NOT A TAKE PEOPLE DOWN SITE. Recover, Learn, and Learn together? I guess not.

No one's bashing him, they're debating his views. Which, to be honest, are pretty damn extreme.

Kyle: I don't consider pubescent boys thinking (or sometimes acting upon) such urges to be 'molestation' simply because you can't expect any better from kids going through puberty. They're going to be curious and going to want to find out about it.

[StoppingTime]

No one's bashing him, they're debating his views. Which, to be honest, are pretty damn extreme.

Kyle: I don't consider pubescent boys thinking (or sometimes acting upon) such urges to be 'molestation' simply because you can't expect any better from kids going through puberty. They're going to be curious and going to want to find out about it.

This right here. Is it "wrong" to do it without their consent if they are experimenting with one another? Yes. Are they molesting each other? I don't think so.

[Genghis Khan]

Guys.. can we please NOT bash Kyle.. Everyone has their own views, and if someone were neg repping YOU for your views, and you would stand alone, when all these people were attacking you, you would leave right? props to kyle, for standing up for himself. THIS IS A FREAKING HELP SITE, NOT A TAKE PEOPLE DOWN SITE. Recover, Learn, and Learn together? I guess not.

Hush little baby don't you cry, everything's gon' be alrigh'

[Donkey]

We're going to stay on topic now and if anyone has any problems regarding Eric, Kyle or other members they can PM me in confidence.

[aperson444]

This is a really bad debate in the first place... Kids that age are curious and sometimes shit happens. End of story. Most of the time those kids live normal lives. I think that sexual suppression probably leads to more sexual predators than sexual experimentation.

[Sporadica]

No need for brain mapping. When a person commits the first offense of child molestation, CASTRATE them, that will be the only way to prevent them from doing it again. I know this sounds harsh, but once the bits have been removed, ALL sexual urges are then stopped.

Oh did you know that sexual urges are cause by a center in the brain and sexual development is controlled by the Adrenal/pituitary glands?

so cutting off testicles will not help the situation, it potentionally turn someone into a former sexual assaultist into a murderer with revenge and such.

[ShatteredWings]

Ugh, no. i don't like this branscan idea. because these things are never 100% and there will always be people who fit the scan who don't have the feelings/urges.
and people who have the feelings w/o having the brainscan.

its not perfect and it's not fair to pidgenhole everyone for the few people who are.

REMINDER TO ALL: not all child molesters are pedos, and not all pedos are child molesters
some molest for the powertrip.

Also castration will do fuck all for stopping molestation. attraction will remain, sexdrive or not. rehabilitive therapy sounds better imo.

[ShyGuyInChicago]

No need for brain mapping. When a person commits the first offense of child molestation, CASTRATE them, that will be the only way to prevent them from doing it again. I know this sounds harsh, but once the bits have been removed, ALL sexual urges are then stopped.

But where do you think child molestation starts? Is it when you "experiment" with other boys in your teenage years? After all, in some cases, you are "molesting" another boy. I have seen posts on here, about 14/15 year olds, saying they like seeing pre pubescent boys naked, and should they teach them how to masturbate. Is that not child molestation?

I think this could be an very emotive subject, and hopefully, can be an interesting topic, providing trolling does not take over.

I don't think that castration should be an option. But even if it were, your plan would be good enough. The reason is that sure even if they prevented molestation from happening again it still does not change the fact that molestation happened in the first place. I Want to prevent abuse from happening IN THE FIRST PLACE.

[Short Circuit]

OK, I have sat back for a couple of days to calm down.

UNLESS you have been sexually abused, you cannot understand what these sick fucks do to a child's mind, and therefore, you should refrain from posting stupid comments.

TESTOSTERONE is the sex drive in all human beings, it (in males) is produced in the testicles, NOT any other gland in the body. IF the testicles are removed (castration), THEN the sex drive does not exist. In women a very small amount of testosterone is produced by the ovaries.

ANY sex act against anyone under the age of consent is CHILD ABUSE, I think in America, they call it statuary rape, but not sure on that one. There is NO age restriction of when someone can be called an abuser. (How many 13 year olds are in prison for rape?)

To all those who say "Experimenting is normal in teenagers" STOP AND THINK. Experimenting means you are BOTH in agreement. IF one is experimenting, and the other does not want to, THAT IS ABUSE.

Here is a link about castration, either physical or chemical:

http://debatepedia.idebate.org/en/index.php/Debate:_Castration_of_sex_offenders


"Many people consider sexual abuse one of the worst crimes a person can commit. In these circumstances, it has been proposed by some that such an offender should be punished, normally in addition to a jail term, by castration.
Castration can involve the surgical removal of the testes. Or, "chemical castration" using hormones to dramatically reduce testosterone levels in order to effectively render the sex offender impotent. What is to be counted as a sufficiently serious ‘sex crime’, the type of castration to be used, and the circumstance under which it would operate are all variables in this debate. Nevertheless, the question of whether castrating sex offenders can ever be an appropriate societal response is widely debate. The Czech Republic was one of the first countries to legalize chemical castration. Poland[1], South Korea, Germany, Denmark, France, and Australia have followed. In the United States, states that have legalized "chemical castration" include Georgia, Iowa, Oregon, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Montana, Texas, Wisconsin and Florida.[2]"

Brain Mapping just would not work, it does not get rid of the sex drive such offenders have, so they will continue offending. Get rid of the sex drive, and the offending STOPS!

[ShyGuyInChicago]

Brain Mapping just would not work, it does not get rid of the sex drive such offenders have, so they will continue offending. Get rid of the sex drive, and the offending STOPS!

Brain mapping would work. The idea is that we use brain mapping to stop someone from sexually abusing a child IN THE FIRST PLACE. by locking them up if the cannot or will not be rehabilitated. Sure, we can use castration, but it might not be foolproof. Second, even if castration does stop some people (it effectiveness is still unclear) it does not change the fact that a child was abused and will have to live with the effects for the rest of his/her life. We have to do more than stop child molesters from molesting again. We have to PREVENT people from becoming child molesters IN THE FIRST PLACE. That means we have to find away to make sure that a child is NEVER molested. Do you understand me?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/04/AR2006070400960.html

Also as you can see in this article sometimes a sex offender can be castrated and still be considered a risk.

[aperson444]

If you castrate someone who wants to be castrated for that particular reason, then it may work. For the most part these urges are controlled by regions of the brain. Dopamine is responsible for control of sexual urges. Certain endorphins (and prolactin) are responsible for dampening these sexual urges (as well as providing pleasure post-orgasm). I would actually expect most men to be "pedophiles" via the brain scan route. It just would not work.

TESTOSTERONE is the sex drive in all human beings, it (in males) is produced in the testicles, NOT any other gland in the body. IF the testicles are removed (castration), THEN the sex drive does not exist. In women a very small amount of testosterone is produced by the ovaries.


It's far, far more complicated than that. I also find removal of sex organs of an unconsenting offender far more unethical than child molestation. Maybe if they agree to castration and psychiatric evaluation in exchange for shorter prison sentences?

[Short Circuit]

So, how do you decide IF someone is going to be a sex offender in the first place?

[StoppingTime]

OK, I have sat back for a couple of days to calm down.

UNLESS you have been sexually abused, you cannot understand what these sick fucks do to a child's mind, and therefore, you should refrain from posting stupid comments.

Anyone can contribute, whether they've been abused or not. But yes, stupid comments are just that, stupid, and can be ignored.


TESTOSTERONE is the sex drive in all human beings, it (in males) is produced in the testicles, NOT any other gland in the body. IF the testicles are removed (castration), THEN the sex drive does not exist.

no. Just no. Yea, if you were castrated as a young child this may be true. But once you are old enough to understand what sex is, you never really can fully lose it. what, do you think they just automatically forget what they did before?


ANY sex act against anyone under the age of consent is CHILD ABUSE, I think in America, they call it statuary rape, but not sure on that one. There is NO age restriction of when someone can be called an abuser. (How many 13 year olds are in prison for rape?)

To all those who say "Experimenting is normal in teenagers" STOP AND THINK. Experimenting means you are BOTH in agreement. IF one is experimenting, and the other does not want to, THAT IS ABUSE.

OK, now this is just me judging the way teenage pubertal kids are. Most of them are too embarrassed to ask to experiment with each other. The only way it could happen then is if someone actually "does it". And if the other kid tells him to stop.

Also, lookie here.
Laws vary[7] in their definitions of statutory rape. It is generally intended to punish heinous cases of an adult taking sexual advantage of a minor. Thus, many jurisdictions prohibit allowing a juvenile to be tried as an adult under this law (most jurisdictions have separate provisions for child molestation or forcible rape which can be applied to juveniles and for which a minor can be tried as an adult). Some jurisdictions also specify a minimum difference in age in order for the offense to be applicable. Under such terms, if the adult is, for instance, less than three years older than the minor, no crime has been committed or the penalty is far less severe. These are called "Romeo and Juliet" clauses.

and le here...

Often, teenage couples engage in sexual conduct as part of an intimate relationship. This may start to occur before either participant has reached the age of consent, or after one has but the other has not. In some jurisdictions (such as California), if two minors have sex with each other, they would both be guilty of engaging in unlawful sex with the other person (misdemeanor instead of felony).[10][11] Most jurisdictions, as previously stated, consider the act itself to be prima facie evidence of guilt, as any consent between partners, even if freely given, does not meet the standard of law as it is given by a person the law has defined as being incapable of giving consent.
These aspects have often been considered unjust, leading to the passage of so-called Romeo and Juliet laws, which serve to reduce or eliminate the penalty of the crime in cases where the couple's age difference is minor and the sexual contact is only considered rape because of the lack of legally recognized consent. Such laws vary, but can include:
Rephrasing the definition of the offense itself to completely exclude situations where the difference in age is smaller than a specified amount of time.
Providing an affirmative defense to statutory rape based on the small difference in the participants' ages, or on evidence of a pre-existing sexual relationship between the accused and the perceived victim that did not constitute statutory rape.
Reducing the severity of the offense from a felony to a misdemeanor, which prevents loss of civil rights and reduces available penalties.
Reducing the penalty in such cases to a fine, probation, and/or community service
Eliminating the requirement that the convicted participant register as a sex offender, or reducing the duration of such registry from life to one, five or ten years.
Allowing the judge to impose probation instead of a jail sentence. The convicted party can sometimes file for expungement after the probationary period.
Such laws generally apply to a couple whose ages differ by less than a specified number of years. They are, however, generally unavailable in any case where the older participant has an authoritative position over the younger regardless of relative age, such as a teacher/student, coach/player or guardian/ward relationship, or if any physical force was used or serious physical injury resulted. This is normally accomplished by making acts involving these circumstances separate crimes to which the "Romeo and Juliet" defense does not apply.
An example is Texas Penal Code, Section 22.011(e). It provides an affirmative defense to a charge of sexual assault if all of the following apply:
the accused was not more than 3 years older than the perceived victim
the perceived victim was older than 14 years of age at the time of the offense
the accused was not at the time registered or required to register for life as a sex offender
the conduct did not constitute incest
neither the accused nor perceived victim would commit bigamy by marrying the other (in other words, neither was married to a third person)
A similar affirmative defense exists in the Texas Penal Code for the related crime of "continuous sexual abuse of a young child or children". Any defense under either law, however, does not apply to the separate crime of "improper educator/student relationship", or for "aggravated sexual assault" which is the forcible rape statute of Texas law.

So yes, it could be a crime. Not that that has anything to really do with your other point on castration. Should we castrate all the pubertal teenagers then?

Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rape)

Source (http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/PEN/3/1/9/1/s261.5)

Article (http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4783650) from 2006 on topic.

By the way, those were all on the bottom of the original page, so don't go telling me I can't use wikipedia.

[antiabort]

If you sexually abuse a child you should be executed.

[antiabort]

Hush little baby don't you cry, everything's gon' be alrigh'

You're one witty motherfucker aren't you?

[Genghis Khan]

You're one witty motherfucker aren't you?

That's one way to phrase it, yeah.

[ShatteredWings]

ANY sex act against anyone under the age of consent is CHILD ABUSE, I think in America, they call it statuary rape, but not sure on that one. There is NO age restriction of when someone can be called an abuser. (How many 13 year olds are in prison for rape?)

To all those who say "Experimenting is normal in teenagers" STOP AND THINK. Experimenting means you are BOTH in agreement. IF one is experimenting, and the other does not want to, THAT IS ABUSE.


So a 15y/o can't consent, is what you're saying? (the youngest age of concent in the US is 16), and how come the laws change by where you are. Are teens less able to consent in some countries than in others? srsly.
Statuatory is a numbers game and generally has nothing to do if it's actually abuse.

Someone under the age can be charged with rape. if someone's 14 and they molest a 5y/o. Guess what, they're still a sex offender.

What about consentual experimentation, when one's 15 and the other's 16. In some states that's illegal.

Turn your brain on before you go ranting about something you have no idea what it means and no idea what the impact is.