Outlaw abortion?

[wowisawesome]

I think abortion should be illegal with the only exceptions being extreme circumstances, such as:

1. rape
2. if the mother's life is at risk

In my opinion, any other reason for abortion is pure selfishness.

[Cybercode]

I totally agree with you, but we have no right to control other peoples lives and tell them they can't have an abortion. It's just the way this world is now.

[Jupiter]

Good point, Smith. I thought your dad found out about this...

:offtopic:

Anyway, abortions are being done illegally anyway, might as well legalize it.

[Jess]

No.

If you make abortion illegal, women would still have them (ones that REALLY want them). They would, however, do it in a very very unsafe way. Better to have safe abortions.

And it's the woman's choice. By no means do you have the right to tell ME or any other woman not to have an abortion if I or she wants one.

[wowisawesome]

No.

If you make abortion illegal, women would still have them (ones that REALLY want them). They would, however, do it in a very very unsafe way. Better to have safe abortions.

And it's the woman's choice. By no means do you have the right to tell ME or any other woman not to have an abortion if I or she wants one.

"You can't tell me that I have to deal with consequences! I can be a selfish child if I want to!"

[Jess]

I still think abortion is a woman's right. Her choice, her body.

[embers]

Why is abortion for pure selfishness bad?

[wowisawesome]

Why is abortion for pure selfishness bad?

Why is it good?

[wowisawesome]

I still think abortion is a woman's right. Her choice, her body.

That's another thing, Why does the man have absolutely 0 say? There would be no baby in you without a man.

[kenoloor]

The problem is, if abortion were to be illegalized, then shit would go down. Abortions are going to be performed, regardless of legality; same idea with drugs and prostitution. The idea is, if it's legal, it can be done properly and safely, whereas, if it is deemed illegal, women will revert to the back alleys where coat hangers are used. So, really, regardless of your so-called "morals," catering to reality is what is best here, because of we don't, even worse things will happen. At least we can keep women safe while performing legal abortions now.

[wowisawesome]

The problem is, if abortion were to be illegalized, then shit would go down. Abortions are going to be performed, regardless of legality; same idea with drugs and prostitution. The idea is, if it's legal, it can be done properly and safely, whereas, if it is deemed illegal, women will revert to the back alleys where coat hangers are used. So, really, regardless of your so-called "morals," catering to reality is what is best here, because of we don't, even worse things will happen. At least we can keep women safe while performing legal abortions now.

That will weed out idiots. A fine example of natural selection.

[Amaryllis]

Fetuses, zygotes, embryos, are human beings with a right to live just like everyone else and that is why abortion is therefore murder and should be illegal. Errr. No.

The status of the fetus is a peripheral issue. Women will -still- get abortions no matter what we do. Even anti-choicers get abortions.

Hence why we should leave the decision up to women’s moral conscience, and make sure that they are provided with safe abortions. The status of a fetus is a matter of subjective opinion, and the only opinion that counts is that of the pregnant woman.

Anti-choicers insist not only that a fetus is a human being, but that this status is an objective scientific fact. Medicine, philosophy, biology and society has no consensus on that issue. But women are indisputable human beings with rights.

Personhood, human, human beings, these words are often used interchangeably by anti-choicers. However, they have completely different meanings.

Anti-choicers often confuse "human" with "human being". Yes, a fetus consists of human tissue and DNA – but so does a piece of dead skin. Does this make it a human being? Yes, a zygote consists of a unique set of chromosomes and it does, but so does an egg. But an egg isn’t a chicken. That’s why vegetarians eat eggs.

It is quoted in the bible, “The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.”

You do not breathe until you are born. So does this not mean the zygote isn’t alive?

Many anti-choicers believe that a fetus has a “right to life” but what is this “right to life”? Does a fetus have a right to use the body of a human being? You cannot force a person to donate organs. You cannot force a person to jump into a river to save a drowning victim. Fetuses are reliant on the body of the mother. It cannot survive without her. She is not required to save it by loaning her body for 9 months and go through hours of labour against her will. However noble it may be to donate your blood or jump in a river to save another, you are not required to because this is your body.

Even if a fetus were a human being with a right to life. Does this automatically outrule the right of a woman to choose? This is her freedom, her mind, her body.

Anti-choicers argue that fetuses have a right to live but we too, can argue that an unwanted fetus has the right not to. Unwanted children are at a higher risk for a dysfunctional life. The legilisation of abortion has led to a significant fall in crime rates. Unwanted children are much more likely to become criminals.

In the case of abortions occurring because the fetus just isn't the "right gender". Well, is that really such a terrible thing to do? When you know you won't treat your child the way it deserves to be treated? They will, very much likely, have been discriminated against, abused, abandoned and despised due to its gender.

Many anti-choicers feel strong emotional attachments to fertilised eggs. They identify with it and feel horrified and anxious at the thought that they themselves might have been aborted. But life is often about coincidence. Timing. Place. Had your parents not have had sex the night you were conceived, had your father worn a condom or had you be miscarried or aborted – you wouldn’t have existed.

If you hadn’t been born, it wouldn’t matter to you – the same way it wouldn't matter to an aborted fetus that they weren’t born. The non-existent do not regret their non-existence.

Abortions don't mean you're aborting every unwanted fetus. All it means is that you're giving the woman the choice and the right to her own body.

[-]Copyright © The Bible[/-]

[kenoloor]

Yeah, that. ^

[deadpie]

What Faith said, because she's a fucking amazing thinker and I will worship at her feet with a pie glued to the top of my head for her to eat.