delete button...

[cpr97]

i think a delete button for posts or VM would be a good idea (of course only allowed to delete your own comments messages or posts that you have made) for instance the other night i was commentin on a thread n my internet or computer froze n it in turn posted my same comment twice in a row i tried to delete the "copy" that posted after the 1st comment even clicked edit tried erasing all the text n it didnt work nothin happened i read on here that if you click edit you can "delete" your post if you wish to but it doesnt show up with a "delete" button when i click edit...

again i just went to reply to a VM with a friend n ended up postin it on my own profile instead of his (yes my fault i should of payed attention but we all make mistakes) just think if i could of clicked "delete" itd be alot better lol

or 1 time i was readin an "old" thread n knew when i frist started readin it if i posted it would bump the thread but after readin 60 responses n comin up with a response of my own i didnt even think n just responded (again my fault but honest mistake we all make them) n as soon as i clicked the "submit response" button i realized what i did n that i shouldnt of did it i even PM'd a mod n explained to them the situation but

with a delete button i culd of just deleted my comment n not had to bother a mod or worry bout gettin yelled at for "bumpin" the thread.

not sayin it will stop all bumped threads but could possibly cut down on them i mean lets face it we all make mistakes but if we can fix the mistake before it creates a problem or violation then it will also cut back on some of the mods work load. (if theres 20 threads that get bumped now a day but 6 of them are accidental like i did n can get fixed by the "bumper" thats 6 less bumped threads a mod or admin has to come through n deal with.

if there is ways to do this already for some reason i cant maybe im doin it wrong or whatever but just let me know either on here or with a PM
thanx

[StoppingTime]

Well, I am not sure if this version of BB supports it, and even if it does, there isn't a reason to have it.
Be careful not to bump
Report any VM you want deleted, and a mod will consider
Any post you want to "delete" just edit it to say REMOVED...

Also...

The way vBulletin works, if you were given permission to delete Visitor Messages, you would also be given the permission to edit them, and currently staff does not feel comfortable to allow that. If someone sends contact info via VM, they can write it down, then either delete that VM or edit it out to get rid of the evidence.
The safest way to do it is to let staff delete them. It doesn't usually take us long to respond to reported items.

[cpr97]

Be careful not to bump

i was bein careful just got "caught up in the moment" i guess you could say n realzied it after i clicked "post" n even went as far as tryin to stop my browser from loadin but it didnt work...

the rest of your ideas are all very helpful n i never thought of editing the post to say removed... but that still dont work for the VM thing but either way it wasnt a huge deal was just throwin a suggestion out there

[Commander Thor]

If you need something deleted, just report it. Don't worry about creating 'extra work' for us. It's really not that hard, 2 clicks & it's done & over with.

[cpr97]

ok cool i didnt know if it would "go against me" if i report a post that i made it would seem funny but hey yuh never know ive seen crazier stuff

[TheMatrix]

i was bein careful just got "caught up in the moment" i guess you could say n realzied it after i clicked "post" n even went as far as tryin to stop my browser from loadin but it didnt work...
That's why you check the last post date before you click "Post Reply".

[cpr97]

That's why you check the last post date before you click "Post Reply".

that MIGHT of worked if i wasnt quoting someone n the last post was viewable from the reply screen, maybe you didnt see where i said it was my fault and wasnt makin excuses i knew and realized what had happened but it was to late we are all human n make mistakes i dont need to be constantly reminded of my mistakes especially since i have admitted them and realized i have made them but thanx for your such deep thought n obvious post
n another thing lookin at the "last post date" as you suggest does absolutely NO GOOD if that person has bumped the thread already (which still makes it a violation for me to continue postin in a bumped thread whether i was the 1 to bump it or not... idk if you knew that or not)

[StoppingTime]

I also found this link while browsing ancient threads....
It's old, but it perfectly answers this question. (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=24405)

[Ambrosia]

(which still makes it a violation for me to continue postin in a bumped thread whether i was the 1 to bump it or not... idk if you knew that or not)

It doesn't make a violation for you. Why would you get in trouble for posting in something that was bumped a whole page ago? It's rare to find someone to go looking pages and pages back into a thread to make sure it's not been bumped unless they're a Moderator.

Delete button is silly, simply because that's what we are here for. We are your delete.

[aleexax3]

juust report it

[cpr97]

It doesn't make a violation for you. Why would you get in trouble for posting in something that was bumped a whole page ago? It's rare to find someone to go looking pages and pages back into a thread to make sure it's not been bumped unless they're a Moderator.

Delete button is silly, simply because that's what we are here for. We are your delete.

ive heard from a few moderators n gotten friendly warnings for postin on a thread that someone else bumped n when i mentioned that it was bumped by other members the response i got back was "it doesnt matter if you were the 1 to bump it or not, its still against the rules to add on to a bumped thread"
i think the biggest problem now that has arised is that NONE of the mods are on the same page n all hand out different interpertations of the same rule which just proves what ive said bout the rules they are VERY vague.

but to further answer your question of who other then a moderator would go back pages and pages to make sure a thread aint bumped well to answer it as simply as i can... i have/do especially if when i click on the link n the first OP was from months prior but the last few posts are within a few days i will go back to make sure theres not a "gap in posts" that would make it a dead post or bumped post. now whether or not you believe that is totally up to you but since i have gotten in trouble for the all mighty "post bumping" the first time (which yes i bumped 4 posts all within the same night n over about a 4 or 5 hour span i believe before a mod caught on to it n warned me bout it) i have been as careful as possible to make sure the threads are not bumped. but again as ive said before we are all human n all have n will make mistakes but i just figured we are all mature enough to be able to delete a post we make if it was accidental so the mods didnt have to play babysitter for every member on here. again sorry i brought up n idea n yet again got shot down n told how stupid, silly or foolish of an idea it was. everyone has a right to their opinion i will never take that away from anyone but its all in how you express it as to if its respectable or not atleast you did give an explanation as to why you feel its silly so i do respect you for that and will agree with you on that.

again all this you just read was strictly my opinion n my opinion only im not bashin anyone with my opinion or sayin anyone is stupid or dont know the rules just simply statin that it seems as though 1 mod thinks somethin is ok where as another thinks its a violation of a rule... that to me is just simply not good for the health of the site or integrity of the staff of this site all the staff should be on the same page with exactly what the rules mean otherwise how can they effectively do their jobs as site staff n enforcing rules...

[bwdude15]

i think that's a good idea!

[Jess]

i think that's a good idea!

no it's not. it'll be easily abused.

[StoppingTime]

i think that's a good idea!

ive heard from a few moderators n gotten friendly warnings for postin on a thread that someone else bumped n when i mentioned that it was bumped by other members the response i got back was "it doesnt matter if you were the 1 to bump it or not, its still against the rules to add on to a bumped thread"
i think the biggest problem now that has arised is that NONE of the mods are on the same page n all hand out different interpertations of the same rule which just proves what ive said bout the rules they are VERY vague.

but to further answer your question of who other then a moderator would go back pages and pages to make sure a thread aint bumped well to answer it as simply as i can... i have/do especially if when i click on the link n the first OP was from months prior but the last few posts are within a few days i will go back to make sure theres not a "gap in posts" that would make it a dead post or bumped post. now whether or not you believe that is totally up to you but since i have gotten in trouble for the all mighty "post bumping" the first time (which yes i bumped 4 posts all within the same night n over about a 4 or 5 hour span i believe before a mod caught on to it n warned me bout it) i have been as careful as possible to make sure the threads are not bumped. but again as ive said before we are all human n all have n will make mistakes but i just figured we are all mature enough to be able to delete a post we make if it was accidental so the mods didnt have to play babysitter for every member on here. again sorry i brought up n idea n yet again got shot down n told how stupid, silly or foolish of an idea it was. everyone has a right to their opinion i will never take that away from anyone but its all in how you express it as to if its respectable or not atleast you did give an explanation as to why you feel its silly so i do respect you for that and will agree with you on that.

again all this you just read was strictly my opinion n my opinion only im not bashin anyone with my opinion or sayin anyone is stupid or dont know the rules just simply statin that it seems as though 1 mod thinks somethin is ok where as another thinks its a violation of a rule... that to me is just simply not good for the health of the site or integrity of the staff of this site all the staff should be on the same page with exactly what the rules mean otherwise how can they effectively do their jobs as site staff n enforcing rules...

Like Jess said, it has no point. If there was a delete button, it would be abused so easily, and nobody could do anything about it.

[Ambrosia]

Like Jess said, it has no point. If there was a delete button, it would be abused so easily, and nobody could do anything about it.

Point exactly. This pretty much sums up what everyone else has said, into an easy to understand parting.

[cpr97]

Like Jess said, it has no point. If there was a delete button, it would be abused so easily, and nobody could do anything about it.
lots of things get abused no matter what people will still find ways to get around certain things or abuse policies n break the rules theres always someone out there that will succeed at it to n its just human nature to see how far we can push rules or whatever before we get caught. i do however respect your thoughts n opinions.

Point exactly. This pretty much sums up what everyone else has said, into an easy to understand parting.
im sorry i didnt see EVERYONE weigh in on this but i did see that me n 1 other person agreed with the idea so not everyone has said what your claimin they have said... im not sayin that just cuz 2 people like the idea or agree with it that everythin should change for them 2 people i was simply bringin up a suggestion which is what i thought this section was for i must of been mistaken cuz yet again i bring up a suggestion n then simply just get told how stupid it is if this site is so perfect just the way it is as of right now then why not just take down the suggestions forum? nothin is ever perfect it can always use room for change n improvement but in order to do that you have to have people bring up ideas just seems that most people on here dont want to have an open mind to others ideas n just so you all know as far as sayin it would "wipe away evidence" your wrong cuz as soon as you click "submit" whatever you submitted gets logged in a server somewhere nothin is ever completely deleted from any computer n just like the report button you could make it so that in order to delete a post youve made you HAVE TO give n explanation as to why you want your post deleted which would/could all get logged with it so any mod that really wants to go through n read deleted posts would be able to n then take action against the person if the post was deleted to "wipe away evidence" but that was a good try il give credit on that. LOL. n if you honestly think bout it what would be the big deal if someone "types somethin they shouldnt of" n realizes it was wrong n then has a chance to delete it before anyone sees it aside from the fact of its takin oppurtunity away for some mod to see it n discipline the person. n i dont see how it would wipe away evidence anyways i mean if i post somethin n someone reports it for whatever reason i have no clue its been reported until someone from the staff contacts me n if someone reports it n i do decide to delete it after its been reported but before a mod gets the report it wouldnt matter cuz the post would be with the report sent to the mod (n if its not that way already it should be) again so worried bout wipin away evidence but sayin "just edit the post to say removed" well so i can go post somethin against the rules then realize it n click edit n type in "removed" then nobody knows what the post ever said (this would only work with bumped threads cuz it would still be a bump no matter what you enter for a message enterin just 1 letter would still be a bump) again you contridicted yourself. what shows up on the screen isnt whats logged into the main server so theres always a way for the staff (if they know how) to see whats been typed into their server at anytime. judgin by some of the respones (not all but some) n just just on this thread across the board on this site n every other forum ive ever been on most people dont think things out before they type them.

gettin back to "report" the post... that doesnt always work it only works if a mod/admin decides to be on at that time im not sure how the "report post" works on the staffs end but the other night there were a few posts that were deff in violation of the site rules n the post had no right to be up (person shared a link to n external "sex story" site wantin to know if anyone ever went there n asked a few other questions... either way deff a post that any mod would delete if they saw it) n i reported it bout 2 hours after it was posted then happened to be talkin to another member shortly there after he had claimed he reported the same post (not sure if he actually did or not) but either way i know it was reported atleast once... n only goin by my report the post was still up for atleast 3 hours after the fact of my report so yea for those of you that dont like math that means that illegal post was up for 5 hours atleast now dont think im tryin to say a delete button would of helped this case cuz the OP i doubt would of deleted it but im just again statin how the report button doesnt always work or atleast not in a timely matter n like ive said in the past that isnt the fault of the mods they are volunteers that arent gettin paid to be here so therefore the site cant tell them when they have to be here to make sure theres always atleast 1 mod/staff member on but i know at that time of the post (when the post was made) there were several staff members on they just prolly didnt check the OP due to the title of it not drawin attention of illegal activity. again by that dont try to twist my words of me sayin the mods dont do their jobs or dont do them well MOST of the mods here do a good job n are good at what they do. i think however the site should look into a way to possibly try to get it so theres a mod or 2 on at all times maybe try to look at log in times n go that route to see if some1 capable of the job is "usually" logged in at a time when other mods arent or there is a lack of mods i mean this is a forum site not a government theres no law sayin how mods you need to have or you cant have over this many you can have as many as you need to get the job at hand done.

[kenoloor]

If you say something you shouldn't have, or changed your mind about, use the edit button. It's there for a reason. Obviously this forum isn't perfect, but this idea has been brought up a number of times in the years I've been here, and I'm sure much more since before my time, and a delete button has still not been implemented. And for good reasons, all of which have been stated already. It would be abused, and obviously the staff try to limit the number of things that users can abuse on here, delete button being one of them.

[cpr97]

If you say something you shouldn't have, or changed your mind about, use the edit button. It's there for a reason. Obviously this forum isn't perfect, but this idea has been brought up a number of times in the years I've been here, and I'm sure much more since before my time, and a delete button has still not been implemented. And for good reasons, all of which have been stated already. It would be abused, and obviously the staff try to limit the number of things that users can abuse on here, delete button being one of them.

well there had to be a way users could delete their own posts at 1 time cuz if you read the OP i made here in the rules/FAQ it explains how to delete a post from the "edit" menu of a post... n to say it would be abused i still dont get how it could be abused by someone only being able to delete their posts n wont understand it until someone explains it provin what ive said in my previous post. it wouldnt get abused anymore then the edit button would/could... you are all quick to say it would get abused but have yet shown any evidence as to how it could be abused anymore then the edit button. again i will explain it again for you:
i can leave this topic right now go to any other thread on this site n blatantly violate the rules of this forum by bashin someone or a number of other rules then (if there was a delete button) simply click it n BAM all my posts i just made violatin any rules are gone "wiping away the evidence" as some of you seem to think... OR i can do the samething the way things are now n simply go back click edit n replace my entire "illegal" post so it just says "removed" now please enlighten me on how either of those are any different from the other 1 i will even help you on this n tell you how they are the same so you have somethin to go off of:
1. they each allow me to post somethin illegal or against the rules.
2. both ways allow me to "wipe away evidence" of what i said n rethought or changed my mind on.
3. both options could be abused.
as i said in my last comment the ONLY way the delete button could possibly get abused is with bumpin threads cuz if i bump a thread on accident then realize i did it to edit it to say removed would just be plain stupid cuz either way its still gonna show up you bumped the thread whether you gave a comment sayin somethin in relation to the thread or "removed" after you edit it so you might as well get your opinion heard. n if anyone thinks a "bumped" thread is the worst thing out there in forum world you need to wake up cuz theres much worse out there whether you want to believe it or not but for some reason bumpin a thread on here is like the absolute worse thing you can possibly do which i find humorous for my own reason they claim its annoyin but again i dont see how unless someone "subscribed" to that thread back a while ago n is now startin to get notifications bout it again but if they are that annoyed bout it they could just simply "unsubscribe" i mean who woulda thought... i think it also just makes people make more repeat questions or threads cuz they might of had a similar question to 1 that was posted a year ago but at the same time they dont like you "repeating" a previous thread so i mean its either repeat a previous thread or bumpin it back to life which is where part of the humor comes into play of how so many rules on this site contridict themselves. anyone that says none of the rules on here do obviously didnt read them all word for word either seems to me they just kept addin rules without ever editin the other rules which NEVER works i am glad though we are havin a good calm discussion though bout this cuz after all thats what forums are for is to discuss opinions with other people n the best part is its the internet so if someone dont like the discussion they can chose not to read or be a part of it :D

[Jess]

Yeah, long time ago, users were able to delete posts. but since it was abused, users can no longer do that

There used to be a delete button
It was HIGHLY abused

and so was removed

for the edit post, after some time and you edit it, it will say "last edited" and you'll be able to see what was edited

[Donkey]

1. they each allow me to post somethin illegal or against the rules.
2. both ways allow me to "wipe away evidence" of what i said n rethought or changed my mind on.
3. both options could be abused.

Moderators can look at almost every post deleted on this forum (given they were soft deleted, which is usually the case). We can also look at post edit history so there isn't any wiping away of evidence.

I think a delete button could be abused - if you're in the debate forum, and you lose a debate to one of our hot headed heroes, you can easily go and delete all of your posts. Sure, you could edit your posts too but chances are it'll still be pretty clear that you were having that conversation.

The ability to delete posts can create holes in threads if not used carefully, that's why us as moderators only delete posts very conservatively.

[cpr97]

Moderators can look at almost every post deleted on this forum (given they were soft deleted, which is usually the case). We can also look at post edit history so there isn't any wiping away of evidence.

I think a delete button could be abused - if you're in the debate forum, and you lose a debate to one of our hot headed heroes, you can easily go and delete all of your posts. Sure, you could edit your posts too but chances are it'll still be pretty clear that you were having that conversation.

The ability to delete posts can create holes in threads if not used carefully, that's why us as moderators only delete posts very conservatively.

so your sayin the biggest abuse problem you see of a delete button is a sore loser would use it in the debate section? :lol:

n yea i guess the ability to delete posts could cause holes in threads :confused: but the ability not to could get the thread off topic or even start a fight if its up long enough before a mod sees it which me personally would rather see a "hole" inbetween a few posts rather then a topic change off subject or cause a fight but either way i will deff give you n A for effort n i mean lets face it if there was a delete button n the staff happen to notice someone is using the delete button more then normal or abusin it then it would be up to them to deal with that on a case by case situation kind of just like they do now with other violations n again im sure theres a way where the server can disable someone "delete" privledges just like they can control other privledges but again its just n idea or solution to the concerns you have brought up

[Infidelitas]

so your sayin the biggest abuse problem you see of a delete button is a sore loser would use it in the debate section? :lol:

n yea i guess the ability to delete posts could cause holes in threads :confused: but the ability not to could get the thread off topic or even start a fight if its up long enough before a mod sees it which me personally would rather see a "hole" inbetween a few posts rather then a topic change off subject or cause a fight but either way i will deff give you n A for effort n i mean lets face it if there was a delete button n the staff happen to notice someone is using the delete button more then normal or abusin it then it would be up to them to deal with that on a case by case situation kind of just like they do now with other violations n again im sure theres a way where the server can disable someone "delete" privledges just like they can control other privledges but again its just n idea or solution to the concerns you have brought up

Whats so hard about reporting posts that you want to be deleted to staff?

[Donkey]

Whats so hard about reporting posts that you want to be deleted to staff?
This is simply it. The system we have in place at the moment avoids abuse and lets members get rid of posts they no longer want. It's fair and works.

[Zarakly]

So wait, are we able to delete our post?

[Donkey]

So wait, are we able to delete our post?
Nope.

[Zarakly]

Alright just wanted to make sure, I guess i read somethign wrong haha

[bwdude15]

no it's not. it'll be easily abused.

Not really...i think it would be a great idea! just in case we accidently pressed the send button or something...we can easily delete it...not that bad of an idea ;)

[Jess]

didn't you read the previous posts? it's not going to happen. if you want a post deleted, report it

[StoppingTime]

Yes, there is no way this will happen here. It is going to be abused, there is just no argument.


/thread.

[kenoloor]

Yes, there is no way this will happen here. It is going to be abused, there is just no argument.


/thread.

this.
It already did get implemented, and it got removed. FOR A REASON. Apparently that's lost on everyone.

How is this thread not locked yet?

[cpr97]

this.
It already did get implemented, and it got removed. FOR A REASON. Apparently that's lost on everyone.

How is this thread not locked yet?
SORRY for bringin it up i OBVIOUSLY wasnt on this site when it was around or removed
and if you read the OP it was regardin the rules/faq of this site sayin you could delete posts but my screen didnt show a delete button so i was kind of askin why that was n makin a suggestion at the sametime (wasnt sure if it was an old rule/faq that never got removed if the option did or it was somethin comin in the future n was placed in the rules/faq ahead of time)
so again if theres no chance of it comin back maybe the directions on how to delete a post should be removed from the site or changed to say if you want a post deleted you have to contact a member of the staff so more people dont get confused... n IF you read the section where it talks bout that n you understood what it meant then i give you a pat on the back n even a cookie

[Donkey]

okay, now we're done. :locked: