Politics and sexuality/abortion

[StoppingTime]

A simple question. Do you think that politicians should be able to make any kind of laws regarding gay rights or abortion?

Personally, I don't see why they should. Why do they deserve to make decisions for people in this way? I think the two should be kept completely separate.

[Amnesiac]

Our government should be protecting people from each other, not from themselves.

Fuck a national moral platform. Personal issues like abortion, drugs and sexuality are never within society's/the government's power to control. Other things, such as porn and "offensive" TV, music and movies are also out of society's reach.

There's absolutely no reason to destroy a person's right to do something if it doesn't harm anybody else.

[Jess]

no no no.

they definitely shouldn't have a say whether I can have an abortion or not. or any other woman. it's our right

same with gay rights. someone's sexuality is none of their freaking business.

[thatfatguy]

I don't think gays should get married. I have some really gay thoughts here and there so i don't really know why i think this way.

no no no.

they definitely shouldn't have a say whether I can have an abortion or not. or any other woman. it's our right


What if the man wants that child? you can't get pregnant without a man, he should have a say.


Please don't double post; instead edit your first post. I've merged both of your posts together. -Jon/Rafiki

[StoppingTime]

He's not the one having the baby, is he? Most of the time, I doubt there would be a dispute, unless the woman was raped. And do you think the rapist should get to choose whether she keeps the baby or not? That's absolutely ridiculous.

And why do you think gays shouldn't marry? Why is it your business?

[thatfatguy]

He's not the one having the baby, is he? Most of the time, I doubt there would be a dispute, unless the woman was raped. And do you think the rapist should get to choose whether she keeps the baby or not? That's absolutely ridiculous.

And why do you think gays shouldn't marry? Why is it your business?

If the woman was not raped the man should have a god damn say. But no, we have no fucking say because "the woman creates the baby" not only do women not consciously create jack shit, but there would be no baby there if it weren't for a man. And i already stated why i think gays shouldn't get married.

[StoppingTime]

First of all, you didn't say why you don't approve of gay marriage, you just said you didn't without a reason. And I think that his opinion can be taken into account, but it's her decision in the end.

[thatfatguy]

First of all, you didn't say why you don't approve of gay marriage, you just said you didn't without a reason. And I think that his opinion can be taken into account, but it's her decision in the end.

Why should the man have no say? He is the one who gave the woman that child. It takes 2 to tango you know.

[Jess]

I don't think gays should get married. I have some really gay thoughts here and there so i don't really know why i think this way.

that's freaking ridiculous. gays have every right to marry. how are gays marrying hurting you?

[StoppingTime]

Why should the man have no say? He is the one who gave the woman that child. It takes 2 to tango you know.

Yea, and it isn't his body. He can have a say, but she gets to make the final decision. Compare it to getting a vasectomy. Who's choice is that?

[thatfatguy]

Yea, and it isn't his body. He can have a say, but she gets to make the final decision. Compare it to getting a vasectomy. Who's choice is that?

comparing a vasectomy to creating life is like comparing humans to corn. They are nothing alike. IMO each person should have a 50/50 say and it should be decided in a court.

[StoppingTime]

I was using it to compare a personal decision about ones own body to another. I know they are not equal in that way. But you aren't the one having the baby, why is it your choice what she does?

[thatfatguy]

I was using it to compare a personal decision about ones own body to another. I know they are not equal in that way. But you aren't the one having the baby, why is it your choice what she does?

Without a man there would be no baby, therefore he should have a 50% say.

[StoppingTime]

No no no no.

If you were having a baby, would you truly take your husbands views into account? And how could that possibly be enforced?

[thatfatguy]

No no no no.

If you were having a baby, would you truly take your husbands views into account? And how could that possibly be enforced?

yes, i would consider his views. It's a dual effort to make a baby. Therefore each person should have 50% say and like i said it should be decided in court whether to keep it or not.

[Amnesiac]

yes, i would consider his views. It's a dual effort to make a baby. Therefore each person should have 50% say and like i said it should be decided in court whether to keep it or not.

I really don't see the practicality of having the state butt into a personal affair, such as abortion, in that way. Ultimately, women's rights are affected much more by pregnancy – they are the ones who carry the baby for 9 months and give birth to it. Sure, creating the baby is a combined effort, but giving birth to it and taking care of it relies mostly on the mother. Therefore, it should be her right to terminate the pregnancy.

Creating another bureaucratic arm to regulate the individual's personal affairs is not a desirable idea.

[Amaryllis]

comparing a vasectomy to creating life is like comparing humans to corn. They are nothing alike. IMO each person should have a 50/50 say and it should be decided in a court.
Nearly all abortions occur during the first trimester. During this time, the foetus is connected to the mother through the umbilical chord and cannot survive independent of the mother.

Therefor, they cannot be regarded as separate entities.

What if the man wants that child? you can't get pregnant without a man, he should have a say.
The man isn't the one going through 24 hours of labour and 9 months of inconvenience and pain, is he?

If the woman was not raped the man should have a god damn say. But no, we have no fucking say because "the woman creates the baby" not only do women not consciously create jack shit, but there would be no baby there if it weren't for a man. And i already stated why i think gays shouldn't get married.
There would be no baby if it weren't for a man. So she doesn't want that baby. What does the man have to lose? He can walk away when she's 7 months pregnant. She's the one who has to go through it.

I don't think gays should get married. I have some really gay thoughts here and there so i don't really know why i think this way.
What does it have anything to do with you? It's their life. Their relationship. Do you die at the sight of a loving, married, gay couple?

Why should the man have no say? He is the one who gave the woman that child. It takes 2 to tango you know.
He ejaculated thousands of sperm cells into her. He didn't give her his child.

Without a man there would be no baby, therefore he should have a 50% say.
It's her body. She has the right to her body and she should be allowed to do what she wants with it. Denying a woman the right to abort the zygote would be forcing her to give birth. It's a violation of her basic human rights.

yes, i would consider his views. It's a dual effort to make a baby. Therefore each person should have 50% say and like i said it should be decided in court whether to keep it or not.
No. It's not his body. It's his sperm cell. You loose sperm cells all the time. When you ejaculate into a woman, more than 99.9% of your sperm cells do not make it to the egg. It isn't your body. The "baby" does not rely on you to survive. It relies on the mother.

If she doesn't want a head coming out of her vagina or a scarred tummy for life, that's her choice. Are you going to go through intense physical pain? Are you going to get those stretch marks? Is a head coming out of your penis?

No.

[Jupiter]

whenever any Form of Government becomes
destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to
abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on
such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them
shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
that's from the declaration of independence. hmm.. they are controlling OUR rights without even asking us, without having us vote. sound familiar?

[Efflorescence]

A simple question. Do you think that politicians should be able to make any kind of laws regarding gay rights or abortion?

Personally, I don't see why they should. Why do they deserve to make decisions for people in this way? I think the two should be kept completely separate.

Abortion and gay rights are two different things.

On abortion, I think that there should be laws because in my opinion, abortion = murder, so just as there are laws on murder there should be laws on abortion.

Gay rights is a different thing man. Gays should have the right to marry like straight people do. They're not hurting anyone and they should be allowed to live a happy life.

[StoppingTime]

Abortion and gay rights are two different things.

On abortion, I think that there should be laws because in my opinion, abortion = murder, so just as there are laws on murder there should be laws on abortion.

Gay rights is a different thing man. Gays should have the right to marry like straight people do. They're not hurting anyone and they should be allowed to live a happy life.


I know they are different things but these are both very personal decisions, so I don't think they should be made for anyone. And is abortion murder if the woman's life is in danger? If she was raped and has no way of supporting the child? No, it isn't a matter than can be taken lightly, and if she was impregnated on purpose, then, unless her life is in danger, he can't abort.

[Jess]

Abortion and gay rights are two different things.

On abortion, I think that there should be laws because in my opinion, abortion = murder, so just as there are laws on murder there should be laws on abortion.

make abortion illegal, and I'm sure women who still want an abortion will do it in a very unsafe way. isn't it better to have a safe abortion than an unsafe one?