Murder In self Defence

[Professional Russian]

I know if some comes in i house I shoot them.

[kenoloor]

No dinner parties for you.

[Jess]

you would shoot them if they weren't armed?

If someone invaded my house and was armed and was advancing on me with a gun or knife, I would defend myself but I would try not to kill them until they try to stab me or shoot me

if they weren't armed I would not murder them >_>

[huginnmuninn]

i would probably try to kill them after i warned them to leave. mainly because if i left them alive they would probably sue me and that seems like a lot of trouble.

[Jess]

i would probably try to kill them after i warned them to leave. mainly because if i left them alive they would probably sue me and that seems like a lot of trouble.

excuse me for this stupid question -_-...but please tell me why would they sue you if you didn't kill them? :confused:

[Professional Russian]

I see it as if i dont know you and you come in my house your not leaving unless your in a body bag

[Korashk]

I know if some comes in i house I shoot them.
I see it as if i dont know you and you come in my house your not leaving unless your in a body bag
You don't know what self defense is. What you're advocating is usually just murder.

[Spook]

Self defense- Protecting yourself against danger. Not "potential danger," danger.

If someone advances on you, hurts you, or draws a weapon, you have a legal right to defend your self by all means necessary. If they walk into your house and you shoot them, you have committed a murder.

Clear enough?

[Amnesiac]

Self defense only covers your actions to an extent. Murdering people who step onto your property is ridiculous. I mean, with that kind of logic, you'd be slaughtering Girl Scouts selling cookies because they had the nerve to – gasp! – knock on your door.

[Jess]

I see it as if i dont know you and you come in my house your not leaving unless your in a body bag

so you'll shoot me if I was walking into your property to sell you cookies?

[Amaryllis]

Man-slaughter.

If they have a gun, you may use a weapon that is equivalent of a gun, knife, same, unarmed, same. Unless they were strangling you or something and you hit them with a lamp. You most likely won't get away with killing a robber. As, most likely, they had no intention of killing you. Unless they pointed a gun to your head and said "I'll kill you" or some shiz.

My martial arts teacher is always saying:

Learn more ways to preserve rather than destroy. Avoid rather than check. Check rather than hurt. Hurt rather than maim. Maim rather than kill.

[SosbanFach]

Well, I think laws in the US are slightly more lenient on this than in the UK, which tends to side with the intruder, but even so, what you would do is clearly murder. If somebody enters your property unarmed, and is no threat to you, then to intentionally kill them is murder. Murder is a crime.

Also, do you generally have a gun close to your person in case somebody unlawfully enters your property?

[Jupiter]

Hmm, if someone broke into my house, I would have a pistol to them. If they had a gun, i would shoot their arms. Then they can't shoot me.

[Neptune]

I am going to be realistic here, if someone broke into my house, literally broke into my house, I don't care if they ''pose a threat or not.'' If I have access and it's safe and they won't hurt me before I can get a knife/gun, I'll use it. I would love to say ''I wouldn't hurt them, if, they didn't pose a threat to me.'' But I cannot promise that, the heat of the moment and the holyshitsomeoneisinmyhouse feeling would make me scared, and, I do stuff that I have never thought about doing when I'm scared.

[Genghis Khan]

I can't say for sure what I'll do. First, it'll depend on whether I have a gun or anything dangerous with me. Second, I don't know if I have the nut to actually shoot someone, it's a bit more difficult than you presume it to be. I can't say anything definitively because at that point my emotions will get the better of my logic, using logic to answer this question would be inane.

If someone were to break into my house I'd probably try to maim them to the extent where I have enough strength to overpower and keep them until the police arrive. Sounds like what I'd do, or try to.

[Rawwwrr]

As far as I'm concerned, if they trespass onto your property then you can use whatever measures you consider necessary to protect yourself and your property.

[SosbanFach]

As far as I'm concerned, if they trespass onto your property then you can use whatever measures you consider necessary to protect yourself and your property.

Often the law would disagree with you there. The intruder would serve his time, but you attack him and you could end up with more years than he. Simply because someone is on your property uninvited, doesn't give you the right to act contrary to the law.

[Rawwwrr]

Often the law would disagree with you there. The intruder would serve his time, but you attack him and you could end up with more years than he. Simply because someone is on your property uninvited, doesn't give you the right to act contrary to the law.

I never said anything about the law, don't put words in my mouth thank you very much. I just stated what I believe.

[SosbanFach]

I never said anything about the law, don't put words in my mouth thank you very much. I just stated what I believe.

I'm sorry, how did I put words into your mouth? You do not have the legal right to do whatever you please to an intruder, and just because you commit a crime against a person who is on your premises unlawfully, it doesn't mean that it is not a crime.

[Rawwwrr]

I'm sorry, how did I put words into your mouth? You do not have the legal right to do whatever you please to an intruder, and just because you commit a crime against a person who is on your premises unlawfully, it doesn't mean that it is not a crime.

Are you even reading what I'm saying?


I'm saying that you should be able to. *headdesk*

[SosbanFach]

I believe that you said "As far as I'm concerned, you can..." The law disagrees with as far as you're concerned. In fact, I do too. A criminal has a right to a fair trial. Pray, how might he have such a thing if he has been killed. One ought to be able to, and may, use reasonable force in self defence. One may not, and ought not to be able to permanently harm the criminal, unless absolutely necessary.

[Azunite]

You won't have time to think "Is this guy armed? Will he hurt me? Is he going to kill me?" when you have split-seconds to decide wheter to defend yourself or not.
If you feel threatened, you have right to attack.

[SosbanFach]

I don't think that it is acceptable to attack an unarmed man posing no threat to you. If he wishes to retreat, he ought to be given the chance.

In essence what I am saying is that people should not take the law into their own hands. Should an intruder enter, they ought to get themselves to safety and call the emergency services. Clearly if he threatens or attacks you may defend yourself with reasonable force, but to intentionally kill or seriously injure an intruder unprovoked is obviously not acceptable. Taking on an intruder should be the last port of call; one ought not initiate the attack.

[Rawwwrr]

I don't think that it is acceptable to attack an unarmed man posing no threat to you. If he wishes to retreat, he ought to be given the chance.

In essence what I am saying is that people should not take the law into their own hands. Should an intruder enter, they ought to get themselves to safety and call the emergency services. Clearly if he threatens or attacks you may defend yourself with reasonable force, but to intentionally kill or seriously injure an intruder unprovoked is obviously not acceptable. Taking on an intruder should be the last port of call; one ought not initiate the attack.

If someone intrudes on my house and I feel they're a danger to anyone on the property or the property itself, I should be allowed to use any means necessary to ensure the safety of all. Obviously you shouldn't kill him if you don't need to, but often intruders are armed and I certainly think that one's own safety and of others in the building is more important than the intruders safety.

[TheMatrix]

I know if some comes in i house I shoot them.
You're making it sound as if you're doing this on a regular basis. o_O

[kenoloor]

As far as I'm concerned, if they trespass onto your property then you can use whatever measures you consider necessary to protect yourself and your property.

In 50 years you're gonna be the old person sitting on your front porch with a rifle just waiting for some kid to accidentally step on your lawn.

[AllThatYouDreamed]

self defence is if you're in danger.

Someone getting in your personal bubble is NOT grounds to think they're a threat. If you honestly feel that way you may need some psychiatric help.

If you're being directly attacked, yeah go ahead and hit/shoot the fucker.
If the Mormons are coming around again, not grounds. Just tell them to fuck off.

[kenoloor]

self defence is if you're in danger.

Someone getting in your personal bubble is NOT grounds to think they're a threat. If you honestly feel that way you may need some psychiatric help.

If you're being directly attacked, yeah go ahead and hit/shoot the fucker.
If the Mormons are coming around again, not grounds. Just tell them to fuck off.

No, that's definitely a good reason to get out the shotgun.

[Professional Russian]

Let me re state this. If someone broke into my house I would ask them who they are. If they don't answer I give them a warning shot. If they dint leave then they never will unless its in a body bag.

[thatfatguy]

If someone breaks into your home, you have every right to blast the shit out of them, imo.

[Professional Russian]

Agreed