Post your unpopular opinions in this thread

[Marky]

Well all I wanna say is that if you look at this from a open mind perspective everyaction has a benifit to someone. The Holocaust killed millions of people, correct. Killed off millions of family lines, correct but it also reduced the world population which if those families were to have had more kids (or kids at all) the world would be more populated. If you believe it or not that reduced compitition within and not limited to; buisnesses, food production and consumption, and overall population. How they died was a Horendus death and I dont believe that was right but it happened and wether you liked it or not it left us with benifits for the modern society problems of over population and unemployment rates and what not.

[StoppingTime]

Well all I wanna say is that if you look at this from a open mind perspective everyaction has a benifit to someone. The Holocaust killed millions of people, correct. Killed off millions of family lines, correct but it also reduced the world population which if those families were to have had more kids (or kids at all) the world would be more populated. If you believe it or not that reduced compitition within and not limited to; buisnesses, food production and consumption, and overall population. How they died was a Horendus death and I dont believe that was right but it happened and wether you liked it or not it left us with benifits for the modern society problems of over population and unemployment rates and what not.

So, you predict the future now? Thats cool...
What if one of those people found the cure for cancer? What if they changed the world and helped millions of people? How could you possibly know what would have happened. Millions of people dying, I don't care who they are, is not right.

And seeing as the majority (six million, if you forgot), were Jews. The Jewish population before the holocaust was at about 18 million, and was reduced by a third. The Jewish population is still climbing back to 18 million. If the holocaust never happened, they would probably be between 40-50 million total as of today. In the world, thats a ridiculously small number.

[Marky]

Im not trying to predict the future in this argument about hitler and the holocaust. I just stated that it opened up benifits to others. And yes their might have been a chance that one of the million who died cured cancer or something of great magnitude but they are gone now. I am not saying I dont feel bad for those whose families were affected Im just saying with death came opportunity.

[StoppingTime]

Im not trying to predict the future in this argument about hitler and the holocaust. I just stated that it opened up benifits to others. And yes their might have been a chance that one of the million who died cured cancer or something of great magnitude but they are gone now. I am not saying I dont feel bad for those whose families were affected Im just saying with death came opportunity.

Did the "opportunities" with six million deaths outweigh what may have happened if it never occurred?

[Cybercode]

Im not trying to predict the future in this argument about hitler and the holocaust. I just stated that it opened up benifits to others. And yes their might have been a chance that one of the million who died cured cancer or something of great magnitude but they are gone now. I am not saying I dont feel bad for those whose families were affected Im just saying with death came opportunity.

Ok, time for my 2 cents. Your role model is a powerful and persuasive person with evil intentions. That's the part we don't like though.

[Marky]

It might possbly could have. No one will be able to know what "could have happened" because we are placed in the world "today". so their is no way to argue if we dont know what "could" have happened.

Edit: He was persuasive and determined. He had evil intentions but thats not what I am focused on

[StoppingTime]

It might possbly could have. No one will be able to know what "could have happened" because we are placed in the world "today". so their is no way to argue if we dont know what "could" have happened.

Yes. This argument could go on forever talking about what ifs.


EDIT: Except even though he was persuasive and determined, what was this for? If he wasn't evil, then what?

[Peace God]

The Holocaust killed millions of people, correct. Killed off millions of family lines, correct but it also reduced the world population which if those families were to have had more kids (or kids at all) the world would be more populated.
Yeah, Thanks Hitler.

[aperson444]

When do Israeli's kill Palestinians unless necessary for security reasons? Do they go in and bomb Gaza?

Facepalm here. They DID bomb Gaza. They've built walls around West Bank and Gaza even though they still maintain a military presence in the former and closely monitor the latter. There are still settlements displacing Palestinians. I doubt that there were more than 200 deaths from Palestinian resistance via rocket attacks in the past 10 years. In that same time, thousands of Palestinians have died. Look, it's true that taking violent action against your enemy can lead to issues, but imagine if someone took your land, relocated you and now even in that relocation area, they are constantly entering your land and restricting flow of supplies (not just weapons, but also things like food and medicine). Meanwhile, that same enemy is preventing humanitarians from entering the region. That's literally genocide. Israel is a terrorist state utilizing tactics of (ironically) Nazi Germany.

[Marky]

Yes. This argument could go on forever talking about what ifs.


EDIT: Except even though he was persuasive and determined, what was this for? If he wasn't evil, then what?


Try viewing from my point of view. what he did is what We as society classify as "evil". When in fact millions of people do generally the same consept of things. For example The Jahovas witnesses believe and try to convert people to their beliefs because they might think the others are wrong. Hitler thought Jews were wrong he just took it to the next level. Another example, the U.S steps in to help turn other countries into democracies because they believe that other forms of government is wrong.

[StoppingTime]

Try viewing from my point of view. what he did is what We as society classify as "evil". When in fact millions of people do generally the same consept of things. For example The Jahovas witnesses believe and try to convert people to their beliefs because they might think the others are wrong. Hitler thought Jews were wrong he just took it to the next level. Another example, the U.S steps in to help turn other countries into democracies because they believe that other forms of government is wrong.

But did he have a reason as to why he thought the Jews were a problem?

[otrapersonak2nosabes]

I haven't figured out how to quote yet, buy I'll just add some comments to responses to my opinions. Someone said im racist against my race. If that were true I would commit hate crimes. Depends on your definition of racism. But when you live in a place with one of the highest rates of pregnancies of kids 14 and up, you tend to have a strong opinion on this. And also that programme is wrong. Well speaking of close minded! Programme is universal. Sorry America! As well as my freedom of speech comment. People use it as a way to state false accusations and use profane language. That's what I mean about nit being able to say what you want.

And drugs that are abused. Yeah. That's what I meant by being illegal and that are people being a waste. Both of time and money. Time because when you are so high you cannot function;who are you helping? Not yourself, not your family, and not your community.money? Well how much is spent on drugs in America? I would love to give you an accurate figure, but I cannot. I do, however, know that the US has tried to keep drugs illegal because so much money is spent on drugs that it cannot compare with legal trade.

Someone said "yur" doesn't make you cool. Well I would like to formally apologize for my phone being my only typing device . I did make a lot of errors. It was wrong of me to not check. And I mean it with absolutely no sarcasm because you were right. I was complaining about grammar while ignoring my own.

And people who argued against porn and my sex before marriage opinions. Why were you so upset by this? I can understand the gay rights for equal marriage. But horney teens? That's odd. I was just stating my opinion on a specific subject that I actually have my OWN opinion about. I didn't ask you to adopt it as your own.

Now I want to ask. Why are people bashing other people on here? Is this not entitled as a place for unpopular opinions so they may not be downgraded and subjugated to scorn? That's fair after all. We all want our opinions and inner ideas attacked so we can all be if the same mind, after all! Yes. That's certainly the goal. To oppress certain minds and create one totalitarian and idealistic society.

[StoppingTime]

Facepalm here. They DID bomb Gaza. They've built walls around West Bank and Gaza even though they still maintain a military presence in the former and closely monitor the latter. There are still settlements displacing Palestinians. I doubt that there were more than 200 deaths from Palestinian resistance via rocket attacks in the past 10 years. In that same time, thousands of Palestinians have died. Look, it's true that taking violent action against your enemy can lead to issues, but imagine if someone took your land, relocated you and now even in that relocation area, they are constantly entering your land and restricting flow of supplies (not just weapons, but also things like food and medicine). Meanwhile, that same enemy is preventing humanitarians from entering the region. That's literally genocide. Israel is a terrorist state utilizing tactics of (ironically) Nazi Germany.

They.... gave Gaza back to the Palestinians. And why can't they protect their borders?

[Marky]

Im not completely sure to why he thought Jews were wrong because in all honesty no one will know unless you were him. But "history" states that he might have held a grudge? might have been looking into a "Pure" race or set of beliefs. but the same question can be asked. Why is any other form of government besides democracy not the ideal government?

[StoppingTime]

Im not completely sure to why he thought Jews were wrong because in all honesty no one will know unless you were him. But "history" states that he might have held a grudge? might have been looking into a "Pure" race or set of beliefs. but the same question can be asked. Why is any other form of government besides decocracy not the ideal government?

What does this have to do with anything. And, no, I don't think it is the only government that works.

[kenoloor]

OK i'm done stressing my fuckin point. Obviously there is no fuckin point since the generation does not give a hoot about our freedom anymore. Or the respect the hero's that defended our nation deserve. just fuckin sick. i'm moving to Canada, i hope the kids and teens there are patriotic.

First of all, I'll respect true freedom when I have it.
Second of all, I respect our troops, and while I am a devout pacifist, I support them because I realize that they are risking their lives daily. That being said, saying the pledge is not my way of showing that support. My main problem with the pledge is the fact that religion is STILL a part of it.
Aside from my hatred of religion's power over America, who are you to tell me that saying the pledge is the correct way to show my support to the troops?
Third of all, moving to Canada is only going to be a good idea if Michelle Bachmann gets elected president (yeah, I went there).
For the record, I DO give a hoot about my freedom, which is WHY I refuse to stand up for the pledge, and participate in movements that help to bring an equal share of freedom to those who don't have it (i.e: Human Rights Campaign, Occupy Wall St, the list goes on...). Don't say that this generation doesn't care about freedom. Generalizations tend to suck really hard.
Kay, I'm done now.

Wait, nope. One more.
Illegalizing all drugs would be like prohibition times 10 million. Great idea! It worked so well the first time.

[Marky]

I wasnt asking you the question. and you were asking how can I view someone as a rolemodel if they have massacared millions of people.

[otrapersonak2nosabes]

And im nit going to bash the person who said immigrant English needs to be better. I just want you to know. Most states don't have a national language. Mine being one of them. So keep that in mind. It really is hard fir immigrants to learn English just like you or i to learn another language. But i understand your point none the less

And i was reminded of something! The pledge is not meant to thank our troops. It was meant as a way for America to feel national pride. It was createdby a socialist actually. Which is something Americans refuse to be. Presumably... But honestly. Certainly it is foolish to now believe America once said a prayer to America. But we did. The American creed actually. And the pledge is just an extension of it

Please do not double post. If you have something to add, use the "Edit" button. ~Thomas

[Cybercode]

First of all, I'll respect true freedom when I have it.
Second of all, I respect our troops, and while I am a devout pacifist, I support them because I realize that they are risking their lives daily. That being said, saying the pledge is not my way of showing that support. My main problem with the pledge is the fact that religion is STILL a part of it.
Aside from my hatred of religion's power over America, who are you to tell me that saying the pledge is the correct way to show my support to the troops?
Third of all, moving to Canada is only going to be a good idea if Michelle Bachmann gets elected president (yeah, I went there).
For the record, I DO give a hoot about my freedom, which is WHY I refuse to stand up for the pledge, and participate in movements that help to bring an equal share of freedom to those who don't have it (i.e: Human Rights Campaign, Occupy Wall St, the list goes on...). Don't say that this generation doesn't care about freedom. Generalizations tend to suck really hard.
Kay, I'm done now.

Wait, nope. One more.
Illegalizing all drugs would be like prohibition times 10 million. Great idea! It worked so well the first time.

You do realize that you don't have to say the under God part, you can just skip it. I know, I tried it for the sake of the atheists or non believers.


Two, why are we bringing politics into this. That's kinda immature. Three, your being ignorant because unless if I made a typo, I recall saying to legalize all drugs, not illegalize. Go back and read my post. ( I would right now but I'm too lazy.)

[Sugaree]

When do Israeli's kill Palestinians unless necessary for security reasons? Do they go in and bomb Gaza?

Yes, they do. So do the Palestinians because they're angry at Israel. Israel doesn't kill Palestinians for "security reasons", they do it out of anger and greed.



2. Hilter is a great role model (a personal role model of mine)


Ok, I can totally see this being unpopular, but I have to agree with you here. Death toll and the Holocaust aside, Hitler was an amazing public speaker and motivator. He basically brought Germany back up from a depressed state, and no world leader has done that since.

OK i'm done stressing my fuckin point. Obviously there is no fuckin point since the generation does not give a hoot about our freedom anymore. Or the respect the hero's that defended our nation deserve. just fuckin sick. i'm moving to Canada, i hope the kids and teens there are patriotic.

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[AppealToReason]

Now I want to ask. Why are people bashing other people on here? Is this not entitled as a place for unpopular opinions so they may not be downgraded and subjugated to scorn? That's fair after all. We all want our opinions and inner ideas attacked so we can all be if the same mind, after all! Yes. That's certainly the goal. To oppress certain minds and create one totalitarian and idealistic society.

Well, this is Ramblings of the Wise. No opinion is safe here. :P

[Sugaree]

Well, this is Ramblings of the Wise. No opinion is safe here. :P

Yeah, you gotta get used to the high liberal bias.

[The Joker]

And drugs that are abused. Yeah. That's what I meant by being illegal and that are people being a waste. Both of time and money. Time because when you are so high you cannot function;who are you helping? Not yourself, not your family, and not your community.money? Well how much is spent on drugs in America? I would love to give you an accurate figure, but I cannot. I do, however, know that the US has tried to keep drugs illegal because so much money is spent on drugs that it cannot compare with legal trade.

What I don't understand is the assumption that we all have to make contributions to the working force. Yes, to most people, having a great economy and working force seems to be the focus of life, yet some people are actually more interested in having a life. You know, a unique, interesting life? It's not really a waste because it can be a positive boost to a person, whether it be a general morale or creativity one. I don't believe most people get high enough that they can't function. That last point there is pretty silly, though. Why would they want to keep something that has a lot of money spent on illegal, when instead they can make it legal and tax it/gain revenue? Keeping a highly profitable thing like marijuana illegal only costs the United States in terms of the judicial system...more criminals, more jails, more trials, less money.

[TheMatrix]

Unpopular opinion: Let's keep this thread on-topic please.

[Jean Poutine]

You support the killing of a fetus that has technically gained life?

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Legal personhood doesn't extend to the fetus until it's born "alive and viable". At which point, well, it's no longer a fetus.

"Technically" it's the opposite. Fetuses have no rights until they are born (there are exceptions but the baby still must be born as certified by a birth certificate). So it's not a "killing" because "killing" entails removing the "right to life" of a "person". Fetuses are not people, they have no such right and killing them is legally as well as morally justifiable. Whether they have "gained life" or not doesn't enter the equation.

deal w/ it

i'm moving to Canada, i hope the kids and teens there are patriotic.

That's like moving from gonorrhea to syphilis. Your pee might really burn now and the guy looking safe and sound might seem lucky, but wait a few years and you'll find out that was an unfair trade all things considered.

[Amaryllis]

I disagree. They have every right to exist as much as the U.S. or the U.K. or any other country.
They'd be better off being colonised or something along those lines. Israel is made of racist jewish ideologies. Terrorism? The place is in a complete state of anarchy. I won't say every single person in Israel is racist, but they are taught to be and most of them probably are. Israel exists for a single religion and ideology. That makes no tracking sense. If we want peace, acceptance and unity, we need to live together. Forget these stupid borders that make no goddamn sense. Anyway, the representative from jews united agrees:

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I partly disagree because A) I live in a military family and if anybody knew somebody said this, even those that died would be rolling in their graves. B) Soldiers have always defended this country, it's just what conflict they were in, but still they proudly died wearing the American flag.
Not all soldiers fight for their country, but not all don't, either. The man I admire more than anyone else in the world was in the military. He's the kindest, smartest, funniest, bravest man you will ever meet. However, there are a lot more reasons why one would join the military than just fighting for your country. Such as peer pressure(cause everyone else is doing it), a sense of adventure, the money etc etc.

1. All drugs should be made illegal, just so those that use them can commit a slow and painful suicide. (No offense, but I think doing drugs is a bad choice. I'm personally clean and always will be.)
A lot of them have pretty fucked up lives, sweetheart. It's a way of coping. Some of them just... Did it to try it out and they got hooked. It's an addiction. Just because someone takes drugs doesn't mean their evil nuts with useless lives. A lot of them -do- want to stop but it isn't that easy. We need to understand that they have problems they can't easily cope with and coming clean isn't something everyone survives. You should help them, not kill them.

If the LGTB community wants laws against discrimination, so should Christians.
There will -always- be discrimination. Against atheists as well. Are there laws protecting kids from being discriminated by adults? There are genetic factors to being lesbian, gay, bi or transgendered. You choose to be a christian. You choose to believe in god. I was raised by a religious family and when they realised I didn't believe what they believed, they absolutely -refused- to talk to me for years. Well, my mother talked to me, of course. To shout and hit me. Harhar.

But yeah. The LGBT community don't have a choice. They can't just stop being gay. -You- have a choice. Anyway, even if there were laws protecting you, you'd probably still be bashed.

Guns should NOT be made totally illegal, although there should be laws on them, like tough background checks and age limit.
I live in a place where guns are illegal.

And if my parents had a gun... I'd kill both of them and then shoot myself. Right now.

Anybody who is an official American citizen should stand for the pledge since million of people died over 200 years to protect our country.
So why don't we honour doctors? They worked long and hard saving lives, too. Psychologists and psychiatrists? Volunteers? People in the military get paid, too. Why does losing your life make all the difference? Some people -dedicate- their entire lives to helping others.

Of course, I'm not saying you shouldn't show gratitude. Like I said, my favourite man who also my martial arts teacher works for the special forces and he's seen countless of men die. He's been to both sides of korea, vietnam etc. I have so much respect for him. I just don't think you should -force- people to take the pledge. Especially when they don't mean it.

[Perseus]

There was a muslim kid in my class a few years ago, he would stand for the pledge but would not recite it, I'm OK with that, it's just that when you say it's pointless or a waste of time or stupid, that's when I get mad, because there is a point and it sure as hell not a waste of time.

Excuse me for not seeing a point in nationalism. It's pointless. That's stuff that causes war. I don't see the reasoning behind patriotism. The people died, yeah, but talking to a flag doesn't do anything about it.

[StoppingTime]

Yes, they do. So do the Palestinians because they're angry at Israel. Israel doesn't kill Palestinians for "security reasons", they do it out of anger and greed.
Israel doesn't just openly fire at them for no reason.



Ok, I can totally see this being unpopular, but I have to agree with you here. Death toll and the Holocaust aside, Hitler was an amazing public speaker and motivator. He basically brought Germany back up from a depressed state, and no world leader has done that since.

But if it weren't for his ideas, would he have been an "amazing public speaker and motivator"



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They'd be better off being colonised or something along those lines. Israel is made of racist jewish ideologies. Terrorism? The place is in a complete state of anarchy. I won't say every single person in Israel is racist, but they are taught to be and most of them probably are. Israel exists for a single religion and ideology. That makes no tracking sense. If we want peace, acceptance and unity, we need to live together. Forget these stupid borders that make no goddamn sense. Anyway, the representative from jews united agrees:

ffUTRjQSihk

What is Palestine made of? What would happen if there were no borders between Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Israel etc...

[aperson444]

They.... gave Gaza back to the Palestinians. And why can't they protect their borders?

Technically, they did. They withdrew all settlements in the area. However they did not withdraw military intervention. It's like what happened when the Nazis failed to make Operation Barbarossa in the USSR work, except instead of being totally scattered and greatly weakened, they just got butthurt and cried to the US about Palestinian terrorism. Now there is a heavy blockade on Gaza. Imagine if some racist Americans fired rockets into Mexico. Then Mexico cut off ALL ties tot he outside and set up a heavy land, sea and air blockade. Even interstate movement was restricted. That's what's happening in Gaza.

The West Bank is another story. Instead of withdrawing forces and settlers from the region, they continue to occupy Palestinian territory. Many Palestinian farmers who had lived in the area for generations were simply told to move. Even when the UN recognized Palestine, the Israelis continued their blockade and strangulation of supply lines.

What is Palestine made of? What would happen if there were no borders between Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Israel etc...

Look at the pre-1947 map of the Palestinian Mandate, then cut out the regions that belong to Syria, Lebanon, etc. There you have it.

Israel doesn't just openly fire at them for no reason.

Not always, but they are for very stupid reasons. Think about it. Israel has the capability to use high-precision weapons to take out militant targets. They are a close ally of one of the most advanced military forces in the world. Do you really think that Israel is simply "doing what they have to"? The wars in Lebanon and Gaza are perfect examples. They can use the claim that militants are attacking them from said territories, but in the end the civilians have to suffer... For maybe 10-30 rockets that missed their target because they are 40 year old crude missiles fired by village boys.

Two, why are we bringing politics into this. That's kinda immature. Three, your being ignorant because unless if I made a typo, I recall saying to legalize all drugs, not illegalize. Go back and read my post. ( I would right now but I'm too lazy.)

Pretty sure you said "illegalize". Regardless, it's not up to you to judge drug users.

[Azunite]

Unpopular opinion: Let's keep this thread on-topic please.


Unpopular opinion: Moderators are the supreme commanders of VT and everyone loves them with supergreat passion and obeys without question.

[StoppingTime]

Technically, they did. They withdrew all settlements in the area. However they did not withdraw military intervention. It's like what happened when the Nazis failed to make Operation Barbarossa in the USSR work, except instead of being totally scattered and greatly weakened, they just got butthurt and cried to the US about Palestinian terrorism. Now there is a heavy blockade on Gaza. Imagine if some racist Americans fired rockets into Mexico. Then Mexico cut off ALL ties tot he outside and set up a heavy land, sea and air blockade. Even interstate movement was restricted. That's what's happening in Gaza.

The West Bank is another story. Instead of withdrawing forces and settlers from the region, they continue to occupy Palestinian territory. Many Palestinian farmers who had lived in the area for generations were simply told to move. Even when the UN recognized Palestine, the Israelis continued their blockade and strangulation of supply lines.

So they don't have the right to protect themselves? A terrorist organization is in charge of Gaza now. If Israel let them do whatever they wanted, what would happen?

[aperson444]

So they don't have the right to protect themselves? A terrorist organization is in charge of Gaza now. If Israel let them do whatever they wanted, what would happen?

They can protect themselves using tactics that fit their military. Right now, their tactics are barbaric and cause too much collateral damage. For fuck's sake, Israel has built state-of-the-art drones! And yet they can't make their military strikes accurate enough to minimize civilian and militia casualties. Oh and Hamas isn't a terrorist organization, simply a faction of resistance. Hamas has no chance of taking over Israel. The only way to shut down Israel and its terrorist actions would be intervention from outside Palestine. Israel won't last long anyways. Especially with the way they continuously taunt Iran and other ME nations (which are just as bad).

[Azunite]

Unpopular Opinion: Jacking off indoors or even jacking off in your own house is enough ( for more information see all treads about "Jacking in outdoors/school/friend's house/public toilets" which cover most of the P101 )

[Genghis Khan]

Unpopular Opinion: I'm not cool.

[AllThatYouDreamed]

Excuse me for not seeing a point in nationalism. It's pointless. That's stuff that causes war. I don't see the reasoning behind patriotism. The people died, yeah, but talking to a flag doesn't do anything about it.

mother america anyone?

But yeah I agree. I only ever say pledge if there's a sub in that class, and that's only because I don't feel like dealing with their bullshit (I'm a teachers pet...) beacuse praying to a goddamn flag does nothing for the people who are in our military & government

[Sugaree]

But if it weren't for his ideas, would he have been an "amazing public speaker and motivator"

I'm going to say this once, but don't bring Hitler's ideas into his ability to be a public speaker. Look, regardless of what he believed, it is absolutely stupid to think that he was not an amazing orator. Sure he had some pretty fucked up ideology, but he was able to convince Germany to stand back up and restore themselves to glory. For a time, they did just that.

[Cybercode]

OK guys. I just noticed a typo. I'm being totally serious. I meant to say legalize all drugs. I guess I was thinking something else at the moment. I tend to do that where I think about what I'm writing next instead of what I'm writing now. I meant to write "legalize all drugs".

[Jess]

I haven't figured out how to quote yet

Do you see the quote button? There's a quote button on every post

Now I want to ask. Why are people bashing other people on here? Is this not entitled as a place for unpopular opinions so they may not be downgraded and subjugated to scorn? That's fair after all. We all want our opinions and inner ideas attacked so we can all be if the same mind, after all! Yes. That's certainly the goal. To oppress certain minds and create one totalitarian and idealistic society.

it's called debating....and we're in ROTW (:

[deadpie]

I meant to write "legalize all drugs".

I can understand the want to legalize many drugs that are illegal and less harmful than tobacco and alcohol, but legalize all drugs does mean legalize PCP too. There really are certain drugs that shouldn't be legalized, but people shouldn't be thrown in jail for drug abuse as if they're some psycho rapist, because they probably aren't. I'm saying rehabilitation works better.

[thatfatguy]

mother america anyone?

But yeah I agree. I only ever say pledge if there's a sub in that class, and that's only because I don't feel like dealing with their bullshit (I'm a teachers pet...) beacuse praying to a goddamn flag does nothing for the people who are in our military & government

Do you hate your country or something? what is so bad about getting off your ass and saying a 10 second pledge?

Well all I wanna say is that if you look at this from a open mind perspective everyaction has a benifit to someone. The Holocaust killed millions of people, correct. Killed off millions of family lines, correct but it also reduced the world population which if those families were to have had more kids (or kids at all) the world would be more populated. If you believe it or not that reduced compitition within and not limited to; buisnesses, food production and consumption, and overall population. How they died was a Horendus death and I dont believe that was right but it happened and wether you liked it or not it left us with benifits for the modern society problems of over population and unemployment rates and what not.


The holocaust was a conspiracy to get back the jewish homeland of israel. No jews were the victims of genocide.

Please do not double post. Use the "Edit" button if you have something to add. ~Thomas

[StoppingTime]

The holocaust was a conspiracy to get back the jewish homeland of israel. No jews were the victims of genocide.

This is one of the most ridiculous disgusting things I have ever heard. Notice I never get this angry in ROTW threads, but this is absolute insanity. Do you know how many innocent people were killed? 6000000. Yep, six million people. Not to mention a total of 11 million. These aren't just numbers, they are people.

Do you hate your country or something? what is so bad about getting off your ass and saying a 10 second pledge?

Because it is a poem. There is no meaning. It shows we have freedom, thats all.

[thatfatguy]

Your a fucking idiot. Notice I never get this angry in ROTW threads, but this is absolute insanity. Do you know how many innocent people were killed? 6000000. Yep, six million people. Not to mention a total of 11 million. These aren't just numbers, they are people.


Ah yes, a brainwashed guy. I'm not even going to argue with you, it'll be like talking to a wall.

[StoppingTime]

Ah yes, a brainwashed guy. I'm not even going to argue with you, it'll be like talking to a wall.

Talking to a wall, huh? Again, tell me how it was the victims fault they were killed.

[Perseus]

Ah yes, a brainwashed guy. I'm not even going to argue with you, it'll be like talking to a wall.

Your fascist ideology is showing. You call him brainwashed, yet you're over claiming that the Holocaust never happened, when there are large amounts of evidence of it, especially primary sources. You should go back to your backwoods Klan meeting. I hear them calling for you.

[StoppingTime]

Your fascist ideology is showing. You call him brainwashed, yet you're over claiming that the Holocaust never happened, when there is large amounts of evidence of it, especially primary sources. You should go back to your backwoods Klan meeting. I hear them calling for you.

I'm sorry, but large?

It happened, there is absolutely no dispute.

[thatfatguy]

Talking to a wall, huh? Again, tell me how it was the victims fault they were killed.

Germany never did genocide on the Jews. They were placed into fake "concentration camps" for the duration of the war so it looked like they were mass murdered. Then they were given their homeland back. They now own the media, the banks, and much of the internet. There are many things they use to censor speaking out against them. Such as the JIDF. if the holocaust happened, why is there so much censoring/illegallity of denying it?

[Perseus]

I'm sorry, but large?

It happened, there is absolutely no dispute.

Uh, yeah... There are large amounts of evidence supporting. I know it's not disputable. Don't get snippy with me.

[StoppingTime]

Germany never did genocide on the Jews. They were placed into fake "concentration camps" for the duration of the war so it looked like they were mass murdered. Then they were given their homeland back. They now own the media, the banks, and much of the internet. There are many things they use to censor speaking out against them. Such as the JIDF. if the holocaust happened, why is there so much censoring/illegallity of denying it?

So what ever happened to all the Jews after they were released from fake camps? And those fake bodies in fake mass graves.... what about them?


Uh, yeah... There are large amounts of evidence supporting. I know it's not disputable. Don't get snippy with me.


I know... Just making sure :)

[Jess]

The holocaust was a conspiracy to get back the jewish homeland of israel. No jews were the victims of genocide.

are. you. freaking. kidding. me?

I never knew there would be anyone on VT that would think the Holocaust ever happened. IT FREAKING DID. 6 million people died. it freaking happened.

[StoppingTime]

are. you. freaking. kidding. me?

I never knew there would be anyone on VT that would think the Holocaust ever happened. IT FREAKING DID. 6 million people died. it freaking happened.

Six Million Jews. About eleven million total.

[Cybercode]

Pretty sure you said "illegalize". Regardless, it's not up to you to judge drug users.

Well by that logic people have no right to judge someone because they believe in a supreme being.

Do you hate your country or something? what is so bad about getting off your ass and saying a 10 second pledge? As I learned on here, people think that the pledge is a republican way of being anti-American.

[thatfatguy]

Your fascist ideology is showing. You call him brainwashed, yet you're over claiming that the Holocaust never happened, when there are large amounts of evidence of it, especially primary sources. You should go back to your backwoods Klan meeting. I hear them calling for you.


Oh boy here we go, time for kids to get pissy.

[Jess]

Six Million Jews. About eleven million total.

oh right right.

I am just shaking my head in disbelief right now

[StoppingTime]

Oh boy here we go, time for kids to get pissy.

I am literally shaking with anger here. I'm not kidding. Explain to me how nobody was killed? I want to know... Please.

[Perseus]

Well by that logic people have no right to judge someone because they believe in a supreme being.

As I learned on here, people think that the pledge is a republican way of being anti-American.
What does religion have to do with that? And I hope you know having a fascist agree with you on reciting the pledge does not help your case at all.
Oh boy here we go, time for kids to get pissy.

Nah. I'm not getting pissy. I just find it funny you live in the South and you're denying the Holocaust ever happened.

[thatfatguy]

I am literally shaking with anger here. I'm not kidding. Explain to me how nobody was killed? I want to know... Please.


obviously people were killed, it was a world war. I am saying there was no organized genocide of the jews.

[TheMatrix]

Unpopular opinion: Infractions will be handed out to those who fight.

[deadpie]

Germany never did genocide on the Jews. They were placed into fake "concentration camps" for the duration of the war so it looked like they were mass murdered. Then they were given their homeland back. They now own the media, the banks, and much of the internet. There are many things they use to censor speaking out against them. Such as the JIDF. if the holocaust happened, why is there so much censoring/illegallity of denying it?

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Anyone who really thinks all of this never happened is a fucking idiot. The pictures and footage are real. To go against evidence is to go against reason and logic, which means you're illogical, thus you cannot debate or make a single point proven. I have no respect for antisemitic people.

[StoppingTime]

obviously people were killed, it was a world war. I am saying there was no organized genocide of the jews.

Right right. So six million weren't killed by nazis?

Unpopular opinion: Infractions will be handed out to those who fight.

I am trying to be civilized :P

[thatfatguy]

Right right. So six million weren't killed by nazis?



I am trying to be civilized :P


The conspiracy was massive. Hitler himself was part of it. The mass graves and piles of bodies are those of gypsies/homosexuals etc. The whole point of this conspiracy was to re-obtain the jewish homeland, gain eternal sympathy, and eventually take control of the world, which is happening now.

[Jess]

where's proof of that?

[deadpie]

The conspiracy was massive. Hitler himself was part of it. The mass graves and piles of bodies are those of gypsies/homosexuals etc. The whole point of this conspiracy was to re-obtain the jewish homeland and obtain eternal sympathy.

Then why did the population of jewish people go down significantly after the holocaust? Did they just get fucking abducted by aliens or something? Do you not know the stories and what they made the jews wear? How is that not enough proof for you? Are you saying Hitler never said a single fucking word against judaism in Mein Kampf or in his speeches?

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[StoppingTime]

The conspiracy was massive. Hitler himself was part of it. The mass graves and piles of bodies are those of gypsies/homosexuals etc. The whole point of this conspiracy was to re-obtain the jewish homeland, gain eternal sympathy, and eventually take control of the world, which is happening now.

Right. So all of those Jewish towns in germany etc... weren't really having all of the Jews brought to death/concentration camps?


You know what makes this even worse? Today is Kristallnacht, or night of broken glass. Don't know what it is? I urge you to look it up.

[thatfatguy]

Then why did the population of jewish people go down significantly after the holocaust? Did they just get fucking abducted by aliens or something? Do you not know the stories and what they made the jews wear? How is that not enough proof for you?

fake certificates of death, fake stories, staged photographs. When you own most of europe, it isn't that hard to make fake shit. And hitler wrote mein kamph and talked bad about the jews to get into power. Antisemitism was running rampant at the time, so the people liked that.

[StoppingTime]

fake certificates of death, fake stories, staged photographs. When you own most of europe, it isn't that hard to make fake shit.

Where'd they go?

[deadpie]

fake certificates of death, fake stories, staged photographs. When you own most of europe, it isn't that hard to make fake shit.

What FUCKING PROOF do you have to show it was fake?

Fucking none! I want more than a 5 minute google search by the way.

[Cybercode]

What does religion have to do with that? And I hope you know having a fascist agree with you on reciting the pledge does not help your case at all.

You know dude, I think my rep went from 3 green blocks down to a red block because of my thread on the Pledge issue and I'm sure I'm gonna get even more neg rep. I'm not going to get into it tonight. So I decided to stop being an ignorant republican, open my mind, and realize that the pledge is a waste of time. And tomorrow in math class, the girl won't be the only one sitting for the pledge and just texting ( which by the way texting is banned in my school.)

[thatfatguy]

What FUCKING PROOF do you have to show it was fake?

Fucking none!!!!!!! I want more than a 5 minute google search by the way.

I told you, the jews censor these things. The JIDF censors the internet. Go to stormfront.com, that is one of the few sites that speaks out against them. Visit the "stories of the holocaust" thread. there is proof there.

[StoppingTime]

I told you, the jews censor these things. The JIDF censors the internet. Go to stormfront.com, that is one of the few sites that speaks out against them. Visit the "stories of the holocaust" thread. there is proof there.

Please please answer me. Where did all the Jews who "didn't die" go? Mars?

[thatfatguy]

You know dude, I think my rep went from 3 green blocks down to a red block because of my thread on the Pledge issue and I'm sure I'm gonna get even more neg rep. I'm not going to get into it tonight. So I decided to stop being an ignorant republican, open my mind, and realize that the pledge is a waste of time. And tomorrow in math class, the girl won't be the only one sitting for the pledge and just texting ( which by the way texting is banned in my school.)

You're joking right? Am i the only one who cares about america around here?

[Perseus]

You know dude, I think my rep went from 3 green blocks down to a red block because of my thread on the Pledge issue and I'm sure I'm gonna get even more neg rep. I'm not going to get into it tonight. So I decided to stop being an ignorant republican, open my mind, and realize that the pledge is a waste of time. And tomorrow in math class, the girl won't be the only one sitting for the pledge and just texting ( which by the way texting is banned in my school.)

I don't know what you're trying to prove, but okay. Do what you want. But seriously, man, you need to take a chill pill. No one is stopping you from saying the pledge.

[deadpie]

I told you, the jews censor these things. The JIDF censors the internet. Go to stormfront.com, that is one of the few sites that speaks out against them. Visit the "stories of the holocaust" thread. there is proof there.

You realize stormfront is a neo-nazi site known for hate crimes and lead by the KKK? They're motto goes by "White Pride World Wide". You really use that as your source and evidence? Of course you do, because you problably ARE a neo-nazi KKK loving person, right?

[thatfatguy]

Please please answer me. Where did all the Jews who "didn't die" go? Mars?

They didn't go anywhere. As i said, they used fake certificates of death.

[StoppingTime]

They didn't go anywhere. As i said, they used fake certificates of death.

So, if I were to do a census of all Jews, I should come up with about 50 million (assuming they all married and had to kids each).

[thatfatguy]

You realize stormfront is a neo-nazi site known for hate crimes and lead by the KKK? You really use that as your source and evidence? Of course you do, because you problably ARE a neo-nazi KKK loving person, right?

Wrong. they are a nationalist forum. The KKK doesn't own shit. Please stop being a dumbass. I bet you have never even looked at the site and are just making judgements based off of some bullshit liberal news channel. lol

[deadpie]

Wrong. they are a nationalist forum. The KKK doesn't own shit. Please stop being a dumbass.

FINALLY you can get infracted and shut up. Don Black runs stormfront and he's also a "grand wizard" in the Ku Klux Klan. Congratulations. You're the most hated user on VT and the worst debater on VT.

[thatfatguy]

FINALLY you can get infracted and shut up. Don Black runs stormfront and he's also a "grand wizard" in the Ku Klux Klan. Congratulations. You're the most hated user on VT and the worst debater on VT.

Even if Don Black is a grand wizard, the community of stormfront hates the kkk/neonazis. those people are idiots and make us look bad.

[StoppingTime]

Even if Don Black is a grand wizard, the community of stormfront hates the kkk/neonazis. those people are idiots and make us look bad.

What are you? Who do you follow then?

[Perseus]

Even if Don Black is a grand wizard, the community of stormfront hates the kkk/neonazis. those people are idiots and make us look bad.

It's white supremacy. That's the same thing, so uh, you're point is invalid.

[deadpie]

Even if Don Black is a grand wizard, the community of stormfront hates the kkk/neonazis. those people are idiots and make us look bad.

So what you're saying is the community hates the KKK and antisemitic people yet the site is based off racism and antisemitism, also owned by a KKK member. Is the site ran by hipsters then because this has irony written all over it. Also, that makes you a hipster since you follow the site.

[thatfatguy]

What are you? Who do you follow then?

Nationalists have no central figure. And allow me to explain what nationalism is since you people may not know. Nationalism is basically preservation. Preservation of race, culture, customs, etc. It has nothing to do with killing/hurting people, and anyone who says it does is an idiot. And anyone who agrees with genocide and claims to be nationalist is a filthy liar.

[Cybercode]

You're joking right? Am i the only one who cares about america around here?

I used to care, until I was persuaded by some people that reciting the pledge to a piece of fabric was a form of loyalty to fascism established by republicans. Therefore it is waste of my time and pointless. Now I'm officially ending the pledge argument.

[StoppingTime]

Nationalists have no central figure. And allow me to explain what nationalism is since you people may not know. Nationalism is basically preservation. Preservation of race, culture, customs, etc. It has nothing to do with killing/hurting people, and anyone who says it does is an idiot. And anyone who agrees with genocide and claims to be nationalist is a filthy liar.

And you believe the killing of the Jews was a complete hoax 100%?


Ah yes, time to start screaming ANTI SEMITES!!!ONEONE111 They don't hate jews, they just don't like the fact that they are slowly gaining control over the world and destroying nations with mass 3rd world immigration.


Yea, we are taking over the world with our 2% total population makeup...

[thatfatguy]

So what you're saying is the community hates the KKK and antisemitic people yet the site is based off racism and antisemitism, also owned by a KKK member. Is the site ran by hipsters then because this has irony written all over it.

Ah yes, time to start screaming ANTI SEMITES!!!ONEONE111 They don't hate jews, they just don't like the fact that they are slowly gaining control over the world and destroying nations with mass 3rd world immigration. Who would like that?

[Sage]

I told you, the jews censor these things. The JIDF censors the internet. Go to stormfront.com, that is one of the few sites that speaks out against them. Visit the "stories of the holocaust" thread. there is proof there.

So why isn't stormfront censored by the jews then?

[thatfatguy]

So why isn't stormfront censored by the jews then?

Jews don't own it.

[StoppingTime]

Jews don't own it.

So they would have to reason to censor much really. If they don't own it. Why would they censor something they own?
Since we do this all the time...

[deadpie]

Jews don't own it.

I thought you said jewish people have control over the internet, media, and banks though... If you're correct and all of stormfront is true, then wouldn't they be censoring the site according to what you say? Everything you say is ridiculous.

[Sage]

Jews don't own it.

So... Jews own everything except Stormfront?

[trooneh]

Ah yes, time to start screaming ANTI SEMITES!!!ONEONE111 They don't hate jews, they just don't like the fact that they are slowly gaining control over the world and destroying nations with mass 3rd world immigration. Who would like that?

I obviously am in control of the world, being Jewish. Therefore, I now cordially request that you bow down to me as your ruler.

If you do not acquiesce, you will surely be met with much pain.

[thatfatguy]

I thought you said jewish people have control over the internet, media, and banks though... If you're correct and all of stormfront is true, then wouldn't they be censoring the site according to what you say? Everything you say is ridiculous.

They can only censor what is owned by them. They own most websites aside from a small amount. The few that are out there are branded as EVIL KKK NEONAZI RACIST CONFEDERATES by the jewish media, so that most people automatically hate those sites without spending time there. Braineashing at it's finest.

[StoppingTime]

They can only censor what is owned by them. They own most websites aside from a small amount. The few that are out there are branded as EVIL KKK NEONAZI RACIST CONFEDERATES by the jewish media, so that most people automatically hate those sites without spending time there. Braineashing at it's finest.

So even though you said that stormfront didn't support neonazis and KKK, you're now saying Jews can't get to that site because they can't get to KKK and neo nazi sites.

[RoseyCadaver]

They can only censor what is owned by them. They own most websites aside from a small amount. The few that are out there are branded as EVIL KKK NEONAZI RACIST CONFEDERATES by the jewish media, so that most people automatically hate those sites without spending time there. Braineashing at it's finest.

You mean,the same people who I live next to,who burn crosses at black people's house,who threaten to kill half my friends,and the people who call me faggot?The same people who write die Jews in my school bathroom?Evil?Nah.The Jews just want to make them LOOK evil.Should've known all along ^_^.

[thatfatguy]

So even though you said that storefront didn't support neonates and KKK, you're now saying Jews can't get to that site because they can't get to KKK and neo nazi sites.

No that's not what i am saying. Where the hell did you get that?

[trooneh]

No that's not what i am saying. Where the hell did you get that?

You are refusing to bow down to our will. Surely you must, if we are the omnipotent force you believe we are. If you do not, you are denying the very fabric of your belief system. If you do, you are betraying that very belief system.

[StoppingTime]

Wrong. they are a nationalist forum. The KKK doesn't own shit. Please stop being a dumbass. I bet you have never even looked at the site and are just making judgements based off of some bullshit liberal news channel. lol

I told you, the jews censor these things. The JIDF censors the internet. Go to stormfront.com, that is one of the few sites that speaks out against them. Visit the "stories of the holocaust" thread. there is proof there.

You said that it isn't a KKK neonazi forum. So the Jews should be able to get to it, but now you say they can't.

[thatfatguy]

You said that it isn't a KKK neonazi forum. So the Jews should be able to get to it, but now you say they can't.

I don't know where you are getting this. I never said that you can't censor kkk/nazi sites. i said they can censor what they own and they can use the media to bash websites they don't own so people don't go there. And what kind of jew would want to own a kkk/nazi/nationalist forum? these people all call out the jews bullshit.

[StoppingTime]

I don't know where you are getting this. I never said that you can't censor kkk/nazi sites. i said they can censor what they own and they can use the media to bash websites they don't own so people don't go there. And what kind of jew would want to own a kkk/nazi/nationalist forum? these people all call out the jews bullshit.

Thats not what I'm saying.

You previously told me that stormfront was not a neo-nazi or KKK related site (even though one of the people on there is a leader of the KKK) That aside....
What are you trying to prove?

[thatfatguy]

Thats not what I'm saying.

You previously told me that stormfront was not a neo-nazi or KKK related site (even though one of the people on there is a leader of the KKK) That aside....
What are you trying to prove?

I am trying to say that stormfront isn't the evil racist neonazi site that it has been portrayed to be. Is it really that difficult to understand?

[trooneh]

I am trying to say that stormfront isn't the evil racist neonazi site that it has been portrayed to be.

What is it, then?

A mild-mannered website that promotes peace and tranquility?

Also, you still have not acknowledged me. Why? Do you fear me?

[StoppingTime]

I told you, the jews censor these things. The JIDF censors the internet. Go to stormfront.com, that is one of the few sites that speaks out against them. Visit the "stories of the holocaust" thread. there is proof there.

Then why'd you say that we should check out the stores of the Holocaust section of it which has proof that it never happened? And sure edit your post so it doesn't say that, go ahead.

[thatfatguy]

Then why'd you say that we should check out the stores of the Holocaust section of it which has proof that it never happened? And sure edit your post so it doesn't say that, go ahead.

You sound just like one of them, "ANYONE WHO SPEAKS OUT AGAINST US IS A EVIL NOT-ZEE" idiot. That is a thread designed to show that the holocaust didn't happen. It is not there to support genocide or any of that crap.

[StoppingTime]

You sound just like one of them, "ANYONE WHO SPEAKS OUT AGAINST US IS A EVIL NOT-ZEE" idiot. That is a thread designed to show that the holocaust didn't happen. It is not there to support genocide or any of that crap.

No, I sound like "ANYONE WHO SAYS THE HOLOCAUST WASNT GENOCIDE IS AN EVIL NOT-ZEE OR DOESNT KNOW WHAT THEY'RE SAYING..."
So....

[thatfatguy]

What is it, then?

A mild-mannered website that promotes peace and tranquility?

Also, you still have not acknowledged me. Why? Do you fear me?


It is a forum designed to promote preservation, it is not there to support killing or violence. I already explained this a few posts back.

[trooneh]

It is a forum designed to promote preservation, it is not there to support killing or violence. I already explained this a few posts back.

What would you do then, with the Jews you would believe are part of this alleged conspiracy? Please tell me.

[thatfatguy]

No, I sound like "ANYONE WHO SAYS THE HOLOCAUST WASNT GENOCIDE IS AN EVIL NOT-ZEE OR DOESNT KNOW WHAT THEY'RE SAYING..."
So....


I am no neo nazi. I already explained that I nor other nationalists like them. They are morons who foolishly worship a man that they believe killed jews...(He didn't)

[StoppingTime]

I am no neo nazi. I already explained that I nor other nationalists like them. They are morons who foolishly worship a man that they believe killed jews...(He didn't)

Right your another kind of genius....

Show me proof not one Jew died during the Holocaust.

[thatfatguy]

What would you do then, with the Jews you would believe are part of this alleged conspiracy? Please tell me.

Simply take away their power, that is all.

[trooneh]

I am no neo nazi. I already explained that I nor other nationalists like them. They are morons who foolishly worship a man that they believe killed jews...(He didn't)

You insist then that the photographic evidence such as the following was doctored?

http://www.un.org/en/holocaustremembrance/images/footprint%20BW%20shoes.jpg

[StoppingTime]

That and thousands of others? And diaries? And letters and poems and clothes and......

[trooneh]

That and thousands of others? And diaries? And letters and poems and clothes and......

And the bones of the dead bodies... unless he believes they're all made of plaster...


250th post, fyi. Took me almost four years...

[thatfatguy]

Right your another kind of genius....

Show me proof not one Jew died during the Holocaust.

1-The post WW2 books written by the wartime leaders Churchill, Eisenhower, and DeGaule never mentioned any gas being used or any planned, systematic extermination of anyone.

2-In Eli Weisel's book titled 'Night' he doesn't mention gas being used and when the choice came that he would retreat with the Germans or stay and be under the Soviet umbrella he chose to retreat with the Germans.

3-Auswitcz was a place where synthentic rubber was being produced and U.S. intelligence was focused on Auswitcz for that reason. No U.S. intelligence reports ever gave any indication of gassing or mass extermination.

And the bones of the dead bodies... unless he believes they're all made of plaster...


250th post, fyi. Took me almost four years...

I explained this. The bodies were those of non jews. But hell, maybe they did use plaster.

[trooneh]

I explained this. The bodies were those of non jews.

And where were six million bodies found? And where did all the people who disappeared go to?

[StoppingTime]

1-The post WW2 books written by the wartime leaders Churchill, Eisenhower, and DeGaule never mentioned any gas being used or any planned, systematic extermination of anyone.
Does that mean it didn't happen? Noooooo. They didn't do anything to help what was happening.


I personally haven't read the book, but he was a prisoner of Auschwitz. Do you think he would want to talk about that? That novel was mostly about his life, and he survived Auschwitz.

-Auswitcz was a place where synthentic rubber was being produced and U.S. intelligence was focused on Auswitcz for that reason. No U.S. intelligence reports ever gave any indication of gassing or mass extermination.
Yea..... No.

And where were six million bodies found? And where did all the people who disappeared go to?


I asked him. He couldn't tell me...

[thatfatguy]

And where were six million bodies found? And where did all the people who disappeared go to?

How would you find 6 million bodies? anything could have happened to them. And like i said, they didn't go anywhere. They had fake certificates of death made. Anyway i'm going to bed now. Good night.

[StoppingTime]

How would you find 6 million bodies? anything could have happened to them. And like i said, they didn't go anywhere. They had fake certificates of death made.

I told you this already. If not one Jew died, there would be about 50 million today. we are lingering by the 15 million mark I think. That is, of course, not one of them had any kids... which is very probably... especially for Jews.

[Marky]

They are morons who foolishly worship a man that they believe killed jews...(He didn't)

Wait I have a question. according to your post this makes me a a moron because I look up to a man who you imply never killed any jews?

[trooneh]

How would you find 6 million bodies? anything could have happened to them. And like i said, they didn't go anywhere. They had fake certificates of death made.

You're saying six million random people were slaughtered with no one remembering them, while six million Jews who disappeared were not really killed at all?

Now you're speaking nonsense, my good sir.

[Jess]

You insist then that the photographic evidence such as the following was doctored?

image (http://www.un.org/en/holocaustremembrance/images/footprint%20BW%20shoes.jpg)

^

you're avoiding this picture. do you think this pic is fake or something?

seriously...-_-

[Commander Thor]

Just a reminder, there's a line between debating & fighting.

Keep it civil.

[deadpie]

1-The post WW2 books written by the wartime leaders Churchill, Eisenhower, and DeGaule never mentioned any gas being used or any planned, systematic extermination of anyone.

2-In Eli Weisel's book titled 'Night' he doesn't mention gas being used and when the choice came that he would retreat with the Germans or stay and be under the Soviet umbrella he chose to retreat with the Germans.

3-Auswitcz was a place where synthentic rubber was being produced and U.S. intelligence was focused on Auswitcz for that reason. No U.S. intelligence reports ever gave any indication of gassing or mass extermination.

.

Don't take any of his bullshit seriously. He's getting all of his information right out of this thread on stromfront right here (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t553062-30/) from a user called "Whitenationalism". All of it is copypasta.

Apparently by what you said the site isn't antisemetic, although almost every thread in the Revisionism section so far that I've looked at seems quite antisemitic. They even have a thread called "Holocaust Cartoons" here. (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t706551/) Including this one right below.

http://www.subvertednation.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/Holohoax.jpg

This site is almost as pathetic as Landoverbaptist.org, but that site is actually a joke. These people are real.

If you support this site, you're no doubt a pathetic human being. You're a racist, antisemitic, crazy mess. You're getting your information from the craziest of all conspiracy theorists.

[Jean Poutine]

Y'all gettin' trolled so, so hard.

And stormfront.org is full of white trash hillbillies. Ever notice most so called "white pride" militants are inbred trailer trash? Because I have. Ironically, if OP's measure against people with less than 100 IQ using the internet was somehow passed or made possible, he wouldn't even be able to use stormfront to support his (terrible) trolling, because the place would be completely deserted and most likely would cease to exist.

[Thanatos]

2-In Eli Weisel's book titled 'Night' he doesn't mention gas being used and when the choice came that he would retreat with the Germans or stay and be under the Soviet umbrella he chose to retreat with the Germans.

Excellent argument. Except for the fact that it is a horrid argument that when given out of context, as you have, seems to imply the Germans are the better choice. Lets point out the facts you forgot to put though.

1. When the Germans evac'd Auschwitz, the Jews there had no idea how long it would be until the Russians would arrive, or what they would do upon arrival.

2. Eli's father was suffering a severe case of dysentery at the time.

3. The German's had skilled doctors with them who were keeping his father alive.

Now if you are a teenage boy, your father is dying, and you are given the choice between going with the Germans, who although your captors are the only reason your father is still alive, and who you know have medical staff. Or waiting in an abandoned camp for god knows how long, for a group of people who might not show up, and who might not be able to help when they due arrive. Which would you choose?

[kenoloor]

Y'all gettin' trolled so, so hard.

And stormfront.org is full of white trash hillbillies. Ever notice most so called "white pride" militants are inbred trailer trash?

Because I have. Ironically, if OP's measure against people with less than 100 IQ using the internet was somehow passed or made possible, he wouldn't even be able to use stormfront to support his (terrible) trolling, because the place would be completely deserted.

I would hope that even a troll wouldn't be this stupid.

[Jean Poutine]

I would hope that even a troll wouldn't be this stupid.

You'd hope that an arguably mainstream party leader wouldn't be this stupid, either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marie_Le_Pen

[kenoloor]

You'd hope that an arguably mainstream party leader wouldn't be this stupid, either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marie_Le_Pen

No, actually, I expect politicians to be pretty dumb.

[Donkey]

Ladies and gentlemen, thatfatguy is no longer with us so let's get back on topic.

[wowisawesome]

1. how do you know that?

7. you shouldn't tell a woman what to do with her body.

20. How is it okay???

26. Why? What's wrong with having children at age 25? 29?

1. I myself am bisexual and believe that it is a genetic mutation. Why the hell would people just become gay for no reason? It is inefficient to the survival of a species.


2. Because murdering your baby because you're too lazy to put it up for adoption is perfectly ok, right?

3. If the child wants to work, the law should allow it. What's the problem?

4. People are not mature in their 20's. Therefore should not have children.

[kenoloor]

2. Because murdering your baby because you're too lazy to put it up for adoption is perfectly ok, right?

2. You're not fucking murdering ANYTHING. As a fetus, it has zero rights as a living organism, therefore it is not recognized as such. Something has to be alive before it can be killed, and seeing as how a fetus isn't considered "alive" until it pops out of a vagina, it's not fucking murder. Jesus.

Unpopular opinion: public schools and video games are two of the biggest reasons that creativity is being beaten out of this generation.

[wowisawesome]

2. You're not fucking murdering ANYTHING. As a fetus, it has zero rights as a living organism, therefore it is not recognized as such. Something has to be alive before it can be killed, and seeing as how a fetus isn't considered "alive" until it pops out of a vagina, it's not fucking murder. Jesus.

Unpopular opinion: public schools and video games are two of the biggest reasons that creativity is being beaten out of this generation.

So if it's fucking heart is beating and it's kicking the mother's stomach it isn't alive? People like you disgust me.

[kenoloor]

So if it's fucking heart is beating and it's kicking the mother's stomach it isn't alive? People like you disgust me.

If you've gone to a high school biology class you will know what science classifies as a living organism.

[wowisawesome]

If you've gone to a high school biology class you will know what science classifies as a living organism.

Because school science class is totally not biased and is always 100% right.

[Sugaree]

Because school science class is totally not biased and is always 100% right.

Unpopular opinion: People from Alabama don't know what "high school" is.

[RoseyCadaver]

Unpopular opinion: People from Alabama don't know what "high school" is.

LOL.

Unpopular opinion: People in Arkansas do have computers ^_^.

[Syvelocin]

You are not born with a sexuality. You develop it over time.

Sexuality isn't static. It can very well change.

[deadpie]

You are not born with a sexuality. You develop it over time.

Sexuality isn't static. It can very well change.

You can develop it over time, but I have to say you can also be born with it. I'm bisexual. My brother is bisexual. I know of twin brothers and both of them turn out to be gay. I know, personal experiences are bad for debating, but I'm just disagreeing with this.

xKqKsXdokCM

Camperio-Ciani's team questioned 98 gay and 100 straight men about their closest relatives - 4600 people in total. They found that female relatives of gay men had more children on average than the female relatives of straight men. But the effect was only seen on their mother's side of the family.

Mothers of gay men produced an average of 2.7 babies compared with 2.3 born to mothers of straight men. And maternal aunts of gay men had 2.0 babies compared with 1.5 born to the maternal aunts of straight men.

"This is a novel finding," says Simon LeVay, a neuroscientist and commentator on sexuality at Stanford University in California. "We think of it as genes for ‘male homosexuality', but it might really be genes for sexual attraction to men. These could predispose men towards homosexuality and women towards ‘hyper-heterosexuality', causing women to have more sex with men and thus have more offspring."

Camperio-Ciani stresses that whatever the genetic factors are, there is no single gene accounting for his observations. And the tendency of the trait to be passed through the female line backs previous research suggesting that some of the factors involved are on the male "X" chromosome, the only sex chromosome passed down by women. "It's a combination of something on the X chromosome with other genetic factors on the non-sex chromosomes," he says.

Source (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6519)

In the study, researchers analyzed the genetic makeup of 456 men from 146 families with two or more gay brothers.

The genetic scans showed a clustering of the same genetic pattern among the gay men on three chromosomes -- chromosomes 7, 8, and 10. These common genetic patterns were shared by 60% of the gay men in the study. This is slightly more than the 50% expected by chance alone.

The regions on chromosome 7 and 8 were associated with male sexual orientation regardless of whether the man got them from his mother or father. The regions on chromosome 10 were only associated with male sexual orientation if they were inherited from the mother.

Mustanski compares the study's approach to a search for doctors in a town of 40,000 people, a number that roughly corresponds to the number of human genes.

Rather than guessing that doctors live in a particular type of house and going to only the houses that meet that criteria, researchers in this scenario would knock on every door to ask the residents if a doctor lives on their street. Using a similar approach, researchers were able to locate a few potential genetic neighborhoods that likely contribute to male sexual orientation.

Researchers say the next step is to verify these results in a different group of men to see if the same genetic regions are associated with sexual orientation. If the findings hold up, then Mustanski says they could start to look for the individual genes within these regions linked to sexual orientation.

Source (http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/news/20050128/is-there-gay-gene)

Another source (http://www.livescience.com/2623-gays-dont-extinct.html)

Gay orientation may start in the womb for a boy who was preceded into the world by a band of biological big brothers, according to a researcher here.
The finding is consistent with previous research showing a correlation between sexual orientation in men and the number of older brothers a man has, according to Anthony Bogaert, Ph.D., of Brock University reported online in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

The new finding, in a study of nearly 1,000 men, is that only biological older brothers count. Being raised with adopted brothers or step-brothers with a different mother has no effect on the likelihood of a man growing up gay.

The results "strongly suggest" that the so-called fraternal birth-order effect found in earlier studies has a biological basis, Dr. Bogaert reported, although exactly what that basis is remains unclear.

Dr. Bogaert analyzed four separate cohorts of men, a total of 944. Three of the cohorts were archival and one was specifically recruited to help test the question of whether the fraternal birth-order effect is a result of simply growing up with older brothers or has a basis in biology.

In a linear regression analysis of the whole group, Dr. Bogaert first examined eight sibling variables, including the number of biological brothers men grew up with, both older and younger; the number of non-biological brothers, both older and younger; and similar figures for sisters.

The only significant predictor of homosexuality was the number of biological older brothers. The beta value was 0.10 with a 95% confidence interval from 0.025 to 0.175; a beta value of 0.10 for the number of older brothers indicates a 0.10 standard deviation difference in sexual orientation, holding constant the other predictors in the model.

A second analysis included data on the number of years a man was reared with his brothers and sisters, Dr. Bogaert said. Despite a smaller group for which data was available—only 378 participants could provide such information—the result was the same. Only the number of biological brothers counted, not the time a man spent with them growing up.

"If rearing or social factors associated with older male siblings underlies the fraternal birth-order effect, then the number of non-biological older brothers should predict men's sexual orientation, but they do not," he noted. Instead, having older biological brothers—whether a man grew up with them or not—was the only factor that predicted later homosexuality.

"These results support a prenatal origin to sexual orientation development in men," Dr. Bogaert said, "and indicate that the fraternal birth-order effect is probably the result of a maternal ''memory'' for male gestations or births."

In earlier work, Dr. Bogaert and colleagues estimated that about 28% of homosexual men owe their orientation to fraternal birth-order—"a minority, but not a negligible minority, of all homosexual men."

The results are "compelling," Michigan State University researchers said in an accompanying editorial. They provide evidence that "the social influence of an older brother is irrelevant to whether his younger brother will develop a homosexual orientation."

Instead, wrote Daniel Puts, Ph.D., and colleagues, it's the biological link that the brothers share that affects sexual orientation: "It is the number of older biological brothers the mother carried, not the presence of older brothers while growing up, that makes some boys grow up to be gay," they argued.

One possible explanation, Dr. Puts and colleagues said, is that women may develop an antibody response to the "foreign" tissue of a male fetus. The idea, first proposed in 1985, is that a mother carrying a first son is not exposed to male-specific proteins until delivery, when fetal and maternal blood inevitably mix.

However, an immune response to such proteins will affect subsequent sons, via active transport across the placenta, and might perturb development.

"Whether this is what is really happening for sexual orientation remains to be seen, but it is a provocative hypothesis," the authors wrote.

Noting that Sigmund Freud thought homosexuality was the result of a cold and distant father, they asked: "How much stranger it will be if, instead of the father's psychological rejection, it is the mother's immunological rejection that inadvertently but actively makes her son gay?"

Again. (http://www.medpagetoday.com/OBGYN/Pregnancy/3641)

Other stuff on PubMed (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17904267%2C16143171%2C12836730%2C10763427%2C9549243?dopt=DocSum)

Also, here's a list of animals that display homosexual behavior. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior)

[Efflorescence]

If you've gone to a high school biology class you will know what science classifies as a living organism.

Look, you can be a pro-choicer all you want, but saying that the embryo is not alive is bad biology. And saying that when the baby is out of the womb, he/she miraculousy becomes alive, is lame. And saying that the woman for nine months is harbouring a non-living thing inside her womb is ridiculous....I mean pls bro.

[Jess]

1. I myself am bisexual and believe that it is a genetic mutation. Why the hell would people just become gay for no reason? It is inefficient to the survival of a species.


2. Because murdering your baby because you're too lazy to put it up for adoption is perfectly ok, right?

3. If the child wants to work, the law should allow it. What's the problem?

4. People are not mature in their 20's. Therefore should not have children.

2. murdering my baby? If I have an abortion in my early stages of pregnancy, I don't freaking consider it MURDER. It's not a even a fully-developed human yet

4. Some people can be mature in their 20s. and you have no right to tell someone who's...28 or something not to have children

[Cybercode]

Unpopular opinion: Eggnog is that stuff and if you hate it, don't ever talk to me again. lol.

Also, I think movies that have to do with a young teenage hero saving the world and getting the girl has put bad ideas in my head and because of the I constantly live in a false reality where I think I'm that guy that saves the world and gets the girl.

[StoppingTime]

Unpopular opinion: Eggnog is that stuff and if you hate it, don't ever talk to me again. lol.

Also, I think movies that have to do with a young teenage hero saving the world and getting the girl has put bad ideas in my head and because of the I constantly live in a false reality where I think I'm that guy that saves the world and gets the girl.

Uhhh.... Its a movie.

[huginnmuninn]

LOL.

Unpopular opinion: People in Arkansas do have computers ^_^.

LIES! im in right now and i dont have a computer... oh wait nm...


completely unrelated:
I consider a fetus a living organism because it contains living cells it may not be independant from the woman but it i consider it technically alive well just as alive as an arm or another part of the body. at the point where the fetus can live outside of the uterus i consider it alive even if it hasnt been born yet.

what i dont get is how if i murder a pregnant women then i can get charged with double homicide even though abortion is ok.

[StoppingTime]

LIES! im in right now and i dont have a computer... oh wait nm...


completely unrelated:
I consider a fetus a living organism because it contains living cells it may not be independant from the woman but it i consider it technically alive well just as alive as an arm or another part of the body. at the point where the fetus can live outside of the uterus i consider it alive even if it hasnt been born yet.


I see a contradiction contraction I don't see? :P

You said you consider it alive when its in the uterus, then you said when its born? Clarity......

[huginnmuninn]

I see a contradiction contraction I don't see? :P

You said you consider it alive when its in the uterus, then you said when its born? Clarity......

when it is completely dependent on the mother i see it as a part of the body but the fetus contains living cells so it can technically die, just like if you cut off your arm it will die.
but when it gains the ability to live outside of the body it gains a life of its own even though it still may be connected to the womans body.

does that make sense?

[StoppingTime]

So, your saying virtually any time its in the woman's body it can't be aborted? So thats just a fancy way of saying pro life?

[huginnmuninn]

So, your saying virtually any time its in the woman's body it can't be aborted? So thats just a fancy way of saying pro life?

actually i'm pro-choice but thats because i dont really see much value in any life, human or other wise. and because if i had a bug or something decide that i would make a good host for its babies so it implanted its babies in me then i would want them removed even though it woulld kill the bug.

I consider all life equal and therefore all life equally worthless.

[Syvelocin]

You can develop it over time, but I have to say you can also be born with it. I'm bisexual. My brother is bisexual. I know of twin brothers and both of them turn out to be gay. I know, personal experiences are bad for debating, but I'm just disagreeing with this.


Mmm. I think it can show up early, but my theory is while there is probably a genetic influence as well I really think it is akin to attraction to other physical features rather than something to list along with your religion and your race. Redheads, fair skin, females. Rather than making sexuality an identity. This is coming from someone who identified with several different sexualities in her lifetime and they were all quite valid with how I felt at the time. I think we overcomplicate things. It's a very simple concept, sexuality.

Well, I'm also someone who believes no one is truly 100% a specific sexuality. I know some people would take this the wrong way, but if the right person came around, even the most straight or gay person could honestly be attracted to someone of a gender they wouldn't usually date. Maybe not sexually, but most definitely emotionally, and sometimes physically.

[fatguystrangler]

Life begins as soon as the sperm gets into the egg. Stop trying to sound edgy by saying it's ok to kill your kid.

[Jess]

it's not even a human when the sperm gets into the egg.

[StoppingTime]

Life begins as soon as the sperm gets into the egg. Stop trying to sound edgy by saying it's ok to kill your kid.

No. You're wrong. It doesn't begin then. And do you have any idea of how vague this post is?

[Cybercode]

Unpopular opinion: Twilight is a marketing campain that hypnotizes people and casts them under a spell.

[Bath]

Unpopular opinion: I love Michael Corleone from The Godfather and cheered him on the whole way through.

[Buranri]

Unpopular opinion: People who believe in religion are brainwashed or just stupid.

[StoppingTime]

Unpopular opinion: People who believe in religion are brainwashed or just stupid.

That isn't true at all. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make them wrong.
I don't believe they should be preaching about it 24/7, but let people believe what they want.

[MisterSix]

Smoking does not kill you.

[Sage]

That isn't true at all. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make them wrong.

You do realize what thread you're in, right?

[deadpie]

Smoking does not kill you.

As a smoker, actually, an addict who's pro the legalization of many drugs, I'm going to say this comment is stupid. Smoking anything for a long period of time causes damage to your health.

Unpopular opinion: People who believe in religion are brainwashed or just stupid.

And as an atheist I have to say THIS comment is pretty stupid too! Morton Feldman, John Zorn, Steve Reich, all Jewish musicians, some of my favorites and fucking genius's. David Tibet is Christian and quite genius too.

You have to understand just like how it took me a while to understand that some people do need that ignorance of faith. There's no problem with religion until it's enforced and life threatening. Not everyone is like that though.

[StoppingTime]

As a smoker, actually, an addict who's pro the legalization of many drugs, I'm going to say this comment is stupid. Smoking anything for a long period of time causes damage to your health.



And as an atheist I have to say THIS comment is pretty stupid too! Morton Feldman, John Zorn, Steve Reich, all Jewish musicians, some of my favorites and fucking genius's. David Tibet is Christian and quite genius too.

You have to understand just like how it took me a while to understand that some people do need that ignorance of faith. There's no problem with religion until it's enforced and life threatening. Not everyone is like that though.

Don't think I could have said anything better. Religion is good for some people. They need it, and believe it is correct. It helps them in life. However, they have NO right to be preaching it and telling others they are wrong because they don't follow what they believe.

And on smoking, doing anything harmful for an extended period of time can kill you. An example IS smoking. Prove to me that it doesn't cause lung cancer if not used correctly.

[Camazot]

owl city is a good band and so happy i love them *smiles*

[Jess]

Unpopular opinion: People who believe in religion are brainwashed or just stupid.

I'm an atheist and I don't agree with this comment. Some people are like this. Not everyone. people can believe whatever they want. as long as they don't force it down other people's throats.

Smoking does not kill you.

Seriously? It can kill you. It gives you lung cancer, for one thing.

[Sage]

owl city is a good band and so happy i love them *smiles*

Owl City isn't a band.

[Korashk]

If you drop out of high school for all but the most extreme of reasons, you don't deserve any of the good things that happen to you after. High school is fucking EASY AS SHIT. If you can't finish that, what the hell can a potential employer expect from you?

[Church]

My opinion is retards arnt people.

[StoppingTime]

My opinion is retards arnt people.

Are you serious? Not that this deserves a argument, but you think, that someone who is BORN with a mental "defect" (I never liked that word), but anyway, isn't a person?

Any specific reason why?

[Church]

They're a waste of our resources and money.

[rockNroll]

Unpopular opinion: Limp Bizkit is a great band.

[StoppingTime]

They're a waste of our resources and money.

So, anyone who isn't "easy" to deal with should be shunned from humanity? What about all those with cancer waiting for chemotherapy, and for a cure altogether. Should we just forget about them because they use up our time, money and resources?

[trooneh]

My opinion is retards arnt people.

I'm sorry, but I find it ironic that you say retards "arnt" people. Don't you mean they "aren't" people? If you're going to call people retarded and dehumanize them, you should ensure you spell it out correctly.

[RoseyCadaver]

I'm sorry, but I find it ironic that you say retards "arnt" people. Don't you mean they "aren't" people? If you're going to call people retarded and dehumanize them, you should ensure you spell it out correctly.

I'm no pyromaniac but I know a good toasting when I see it.

Unpopular opinion: Most people waste their time on tedious and stupid things like playing angry birds on their iPad, when they could be doing much better things with this technology.

Thorium will still make a much better substitute than Uranium.

[Sugaree]

My opinion is retards arnt people.

Unpopular opinion: People who don't use spell check are retards and aren't people.

[Church]

Thing is cancer can be treated, and they can be productive members of society, retards just sit around siphoning off the money we pay taxes for while we waste time trying to put them through school etc. Waste of time.

[StoppingTime]

Thing is cancer can be treated, and they can be productive members of society, retards just sit around siphoning off the money we pay taxes for while we waste time trying to put them through school etc. Waste of time.

Not always though. And what about those who were severely injured by anything, but can't afford a prosthetic? Should we abandon them (or any other example like this) from society as well, just because they aren't "easy" to help?

[Church]

Amputees are not retarded, they are disabled.

[Sugaree]

Amputees are not retarded, they are disabled.

So are retards. They're mentally disabled. What's the difference of putting a kid who is mentally retarded through school and putting a retarded kid through school? Same funds, same education.

[Church]

Retards dont learn anything, they will never understand and they will never be a true part of society, they we'll always need help to dress, eat, bath, drink etc. Why even live a life like that? I'd rather be dead.

[trooneh]

Retards dont learn anything, they will never understand and they will never be a true part of society, they we'll always need help to dress, eat, bath, drink etc. Why even live a life like that? I'd rather be dead.


So you're projecting your own feelings in that situation on others. They have every right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, just like you. People in prisons could be looked at the same way, they're a drain on society. Same with the elderly. Are they all not people, too?

[embers]

My opinion is retards arnt people.

Oh man. We have a FASCIST in the house.

http://www.gamerecoil.com/stuff/hitler2.jpg

[Genghis Khan]

Retards dont learn anything, they will never understand and they will never be a true part of society, they we'll always need help to dress, eat, bath, drink etc. Why even live a life like that? I'd rather be dead.

-sigh- I hope a group of elephants remove your clothes and molest you man.

[Korashk]

Well, a small portion of the retarded population legitimately aren't people. Certainly most retards are people, but some most definitely aren't.

[Sogeking]

Well, a small portion of the retarded population legitimately aren't people. Certainly most retards are people, but some most definitely aren't.

Where do you draw the line between persons who are people and persons who aren't?

[StoppingTime]

Well, a small portion of the retarded population legitimately aren't people. Certainly most retards are people, but some most definitely aren't.

Yes, why aren't they still people?

[Scoob]

So, anyone who isn't "easy" to deal with should be shunned from humanity? What about all those with cancer waiting for chemotherapy, and for a cure altogether. Should we just forget about them because they use up our time, money and resources?

Cancer does not equal retardation in any way, shape, or form. If cured they can and most likely will become a valuable asset to society.

People with mental disabilities would have been victims of ostracism in previous centuries considering they were a detriment to the community (primarily the caretakers) considering they literally do take up resources but give nothing back in return. Sure they could work at McDonalds but anything else is usually far outside their understanding. They literally cost more to raise then they will probably ever make on their own and they will for their entire life be semi-dependent on you while as mentally normal child will eventually become largely if not solely independent. They are in a sense, could be considered, a leech.

Not supporting his viewpoint- just throwing out a counterargument for your own.

[Jonni]

So my two uncles who have the mind of a 5 year old aren't people
Well I highly fucking doubt i'm imagining it

[StoppingTime]

Cancer does not equal retardation in any way, shape, or form. If cured they can and most likely will become a valuable asset to society.


Not supporting his viewpoint- just throwing out a counterargument for your own.

I never said they were equal. I was throwing out an example that was in some way similar

[Scoob]

So my two uncles who have the mind of a 5 year old aren't people
Well I highly fucking doubt i'm imagining it

He's not exactly saying their not people. He's actually saying they are leeches of resources. By people I think he may mean productivity wise... Or maybe he really does think their not human...

@Stopping time:

They may be similar in a sense of needing help but one is potentially temporary but the other is undoubtedly life long unless a cure is created.

[Jonni]

Leeches of resources, hmm?
So just because they have a disability that they didn't ask for, they're leeches of resources. Well, i'm just saying, my two uncles are fascinating people and they actually have personalities, and they live and breathe and walk and talk just like any other human. Just because they can't read or write? So what? They eat, sleep, breathe, work... not too much different from a "functional", and I use that word loosely, human.

[StoppingTime]

They may be similar in a sense of needing help but one is potentially temporary but the other is undoubtedly life long unless a cure is created.

Contradiction? Cancer isn't always curable also.

[MisterSix]

Smoking anything for a long period of time causes damage to your health.

My great grandparents were both lifetime smokers and they only lived to 91 and 93 years old.
Smoking only gets you if you have an underlying health condition. The only reason its so bad for you is 'cause most politicians don't like it.

[Camazot]

oh yeah i forget because it should be a band name not a soloist's name

[Korashk]

Where do you draw the line between persons who are people and persons who aren't?
Your question is not quite phrased correctly but I get what you're saying. Mainly you just check and see if they have all of the qualities that makes a thing a person. The big one being sapience.

[Scoob]

Contradiction? Cancer isn't always curable also.


No contradiction was made. There is a chance they can be cured therefore they can still be an asset. Mental disabilities such as Aspergers are currently incurable therefore there is no chance to be a major asset.

By the way, encase anyone actually thinks these are my actual viewpoints on this topic - you're wrong.

[Sugaree]

Unpopular opinion: Bringing political parties into anything NOT related to politics is a bad idea and people should feel bad for doing it (ie, "Car accident? OBAMA DID THIS!").

[StoppingTime]

No contradiction was made. There is a chance they can be cured therefore they can still be an asset. Mental disabilities such as Aspergers are currently incurable therefore there is no chance to be a major asset.


But there is a chance that there could be a cure for Aspergers as well someday. But are you saying other people with incurable diseases aren't "people" as well? (Or is that the viewpoint?)


Unpopular opinion: Bringing political parties into anything NOT related to politics is a bad idea and people should feel bad for doing it (ie, "Car accident? OBAMA DID THIS!").

I don't see why that should be an unpopular opinion. It makes perfect sense.

[ivoo]

to start up war between all nation using bombs n weapons n when they are finished to start building everything from scretch

[kenoloor]

I don't see why that should be an unpopular opinion. It makes perfect sense.

Because it makes sense. People are too busy trolling.

Unpopular opinion: this thread is exhausted.

[Buranri]

I'm an atheist and I don't agree with this comment. Some people are like this. Not everyone. people can believe whatever they want. as long as they don't force it down other people's throats.


I'll reply to this specifically, but this is to all those who essentially said the same thing.

Would you think someone who completely, 100% believes that aliens have visited earth in recent years a smart person? I view it as a similar thing. Yeah, I'm sure there are smart people who are very religious, but being religious just doesn't make any sense at all. There's no basis for it other than tradition and prejudice, and for the most part it causes nothing but problems.

[Jess]

there's still nothing wrong with believing in something, as long as it isn't forced on others.

[deadpie]

Would you think someone who completely, 100% believes that aliens have visited earth in recent years a smart person?

Are you saying someone that's delusional can't be smart? In fact, crazy people are the smartest people I know. I don't really see a difference in that, aliens, and religion. We're all batshit crazy people in our own ways. Maybe you should go see this movie called "A Beautiful Mind".

[Efflorescence]

:Are you saying someone that's delusional can't be smart? In fact, crazy people are the smartest people I know. I don't really see a difference in that, aliens, and religion. We're all batshit crazy people in our own ways. Maybe you should go see this movie called "A Beautiful Mind".

For once I agree with you. And I watched that movie........it's awesome.
And there's also Alice in Wonderland, when the mad hatter tells Alice 'Have I gone mad? And Alice tells him "You're entirely bonkers. But I'll tell you a secret. All the best people are." I love the Mad Hatter.:)

Well, a small portion of the retarded population legitimately aren't people. Certainly most retards are people, but some most definitely aren't.

Oh mannnnn, I disagree with 200%, not 100%, 200%!!!!!!
Some people used to say that capitalists were not persons.
Some men used to say that women were not persons.
Aristocrats used to say that slaves were only 3/4 persons.
And so on.
You know how I see it? It's just an excuse.....cause it's convenient labelling certain human beings as 'not persons' just so that we could do whatever we want with them, you know.
This 'some human beings are not persons' mentality sucks and I think it's nonsense, sorry.

[Genghis Khan]

Oh mannnnn, I disagree with 200%, not 100%, 200%!!!!!!
Some people used to say that capitalists were not persons.
Some men used to say that women were not persons.
Aristocrats used to say that slaves were only 3/4 persons.
And so on.
You know how I see it? It's just an excuse.....cause it's convenient labelling certain human beings as 'not persons' just so that we could do whatever we want with them, you know.
This 'some human beings are not persons' mentality sucks and I think it's nonsense, sorry.

I think he meant it in a very technical sense. Technically if you're one of the unfortunate ones who lack the ability to apply knowledge, experience, understanding, common sense and insight then you're short of something that is unique to us as humans. But for the most part I agree, I don't really like to think of mentally handicapped people as subhuman or less than us.

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Well, a small portion of the retarded population legitimately aren't people. Certainly most retards are people, but some most definitely aren't.

But they are still people. They may not be able to do things that the majority of people can, but that doesn't make them not humans.