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Cybercode
October 25th, 2011, 08:09 AM
Ohio is now considering a law to make abortion's illegal after a heartbeat of the fetus is detected. Here is the article.

The Ohio state senate is currently considering a piece of legislation which is causing some division within the pro-life movement. The bill, HB 125, which is known as the “Heartbeat Bill,” states that no abortion can be committed in the state of Ohio if a baby has a “detectable heartbeat,” except “to prevent the death of a pregnant woman or to prevent a serious risk of the substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant woman.” This bill, if enacted and enforced could provide legal protection for unborn children as young as 18 days old.

Unsurprisingly, pro-lifers involved with the personhood movement oppose this bill. They reject most “incremental” pro-life bills and usually only support legislation which would provide legal protection to all unborn children. However, other pro-life groups which are usually sympathetic to the incremental approach are opposing this bill as well. For instance, Ohio Right to Life, the state affiliate of National Right to Life, is publicly opposing the Heartbeat Bill. They argue that this bill would be struck down by the courts. They also argue that the current composition of the Supreme Court makes this a poor time to launch a challenge to Roe v. Wade.

Regardless, it is heartening to see so much interest around the country in pro-life legislation. So far in 2011, eight states have voted to eliminate state funding for Planned Parenthood. Six states — Nebraska, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Alabama — have enacted fetal-pain laws. These laws protect unborn children after 20 weeks, when there is medical evidence that the unborn can feel pain. Additionally, eight states have banned abortion coverage in new insurance exchanges. Pro-lifers have also responded to technological developments as five states banned the use of telemedicine for the provision of abortion medication. The Guttmacher Institute reported that in the first six months of 2011 alone, states have enacted a record number of pro-life laws. Ohio’s controversial bill is part of this overall trend.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/277341/ohio-s-heartbeat-bill-causes-controversy-michael-j-new

Personally I support this law because I believe that after a heartbeat is detected, it is basically killing. I've heard from people who support abortions even at the 9th month. I just want your say on this, do you think this law should be passed? Should it be implemented across the country?

trooneh
October 25th, 2011, 09:08 AM
Not sure if this is the place for a debate, but eighteen days might be too young. Some women might not even be certain they're pregnant by that time.

Jess
October 25th, 2011, 07:34 PM
except “to prevent the death of a pregnant woman or to prevent a serious risk of the substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant woman.”

edit: wait, would a woman who was raped apply to this?



and I agree with Amanda. 18 days old...is too young. I don't support any anti-abortion bills anyways

embers
October 25th, 2011, 07:37 PM
and I agree with Amanda. 18 days old...is too young.

Same. She's pretty much summed up my view.

Genghis Khan
October 25th, 2011, 07:38 PM
and I agree with Amanda. 18 days old...is too young. I don't support any anti-abortion bills anyways

Yeah Amanda's pretty cool man.

Donkey
October 25th, 2011, 07:39 PM
and I agree with Amanda.

yeah I agree too. you know, Amanda's such a great girl.

I'm moving this to ROTW.

Amnesiac
October 25th, 2011, 08:36 PM
Since when do the "individual" rights of an unborn fetus trump the rights of a grown woman?

Why should all life be considered sacred?

aperson444
October 25th, 2011, 09:01 PM
Abortion laws are restrictive and infringe upon the rights of an actual born individual, thus are not in line with personal freedoms. The fetus has no right to live until it has lost all dependence on the mother (i.e it is not attached by umbilical cord). Technically up until that point, it's simply a part of the mother's body like a tumor or an appendage. I do see serious moral issues about late-term abortions, but it's not up to the government to decide if that's allowed or not.

TopGear
October 25th, 2011, 09:17 PM
I agree with the new bill, unless the pregnancy was due to rape, then after the heartbeat is detected then it's unlawful, BUT there needs to be better options and people willing to step up and help those that can't care for the child. I would rather see this bill not pass, if there will be no governmental help with making adoption process easier on the women trying to rid of the child.

Jess
October 26th, 2011, 06:24 AM
Since when do the "individual" rights of an unborn fetus trump the rights of a grown woman?

Why should all life be considered sacred?

exactly my thoughts.....

Carlyle
October 26th, 2011, 06:47 AM
Lovely.. Anyways, my views are the same as anyone elses here. Lately, all these laws and bills there trying to pass is just ridiculous though. Not too wise with law as I don't pay much attention to it, but This one does seem rather..appropriate I guess you could say.