Libya

[TopGear]

Hey everyone!

Now since Moammar Gadhafi is dead, And the new government has been declared ( Islamic sharia law ), do you think it will change will increase stability in this civil war torn country or will it just cause more problems?

Would like to hear your thoughts!

[Perseus]

This is pretty interesting. The only question that lingers is this, though. Are they an actual democracy like Tunisia or is there a self proclaimed ruler?

[embers]

Nope, all the UK did when they toppled Gaddafi was let a new (and possibly just as bad) tribe gain power. There was some massive incompetence with the BBC in reporting the situation as it was rather than 'durr arab spring democracy'.

[Perseus]

Nope, all the UK did when they toppled Gaddafi was let a new (and possibly just as bad) tribe gain power. There was some massive incompetence with the BBC in reporting the situation as it was rather than 'durr arab spring democracy'.

Ah. So this was a complete waste of time on NATO's part considering it will just be another ruler who will probably be another asshat who will be toppled by another revolution.

[aperson444]

Well this pretty much happens every time NATO/USA tries to step in into a volatile country.

[embers]

Ah. So this was a complete waste of time on NATO's part considering it will just be another ruler who will probably be another asshat who will be toppled by another revolution.

I'm not sure - though they promised democratic government while they fought Gaddafi, I think a few of the national transitional council have links to Al Qaeda. But yeah this was mostly a case of tribal warfare inspired by the 'arab spring' that really has little to do with democracy and freedom.

[Sage]

Hey everyone!

Now since Moammar Gadhafi is dead, And the new government has been declared ( Islamic sharia law ), do you think it will change will increase stability in this civil war torn country or will it just cause more problems?

Would like to hear your thoughts!

Uh, excuse me? Where did you get the sharia law from? For the next few months, the country will be governed by the National Transitional Council, until they get democratic elections going again. At most, they've said they want democracy founded on Islamic principles, which isn't much different than the bullshit you here in the good ol' USA on how this country was supposedly founded on Christian values. Libya will be no more of a theocracy than the United States of America.

Also, out of curiosity, I'd love to hear where you're getting your news updates from in regards to Libya and the greater spectrum of recent events throughout North Africa and the Middle East.

[Perseus]

Uh, excuse me? Where did you get the sharia law from? For the next few months, the country will be governed by the National Transitional Council, until they get democratic elections going again. At most, they've said they want democracy founded on Islamic principles, which isn't much different than the bullshit you here in the good ol' USA on how this country was supposedly founded on Christian values. Libya will be no more of a theocracy than the United States of America.

Also, out of curiosity, I'd love to hear where you're getting your news updates from in regards to Libya and the greater spectrum of recent events throughout North Africa and the Middle East.

I saw an article on some website (I can't find it now) saying that Sharia Law is going to be a factor, but I've also seen news articles just now contradicting that stating it will be a factor but not a heavily influential one. So I guess everyone has to wait to see.

[TopGear]

Uh, excuse me? Where did you get the sharia law from? For the next few months, the country will be governed by the National Transitional Council, until they get democratic elections going again. At most, they've said they want democracy founded on Islamic principles, which isn't much different than the bullshit you here in the good ol' USA on how this country was supposedly founded on Christian values. Libya will be no more of a theocracy than the United States of America.

Also, out of curiosity, I'd love to hear where you're getting your news updates from in regards to Libya and the greater spectrum of recent events throughout North Africa and the Middle East.

Here is two links backing up my sources.

Here (http://news.yahoo.com/sharia-law-declaration-raises-concerns-libya-174347939.html)

And Here (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/10/24/141668281/interim-leader-says-sharia-law-will-guide-libya)

There isn't anything wrong with democracy founded on Islamic principles. Who said anything about the US being founded Christian values? And if the US was, Whats your point. Lots of countries are founded on the populations majority's religion.

Libya will be no more of a theocracy than the United States of America.
Again, what is your point, what is wrong with that? You have a better idea or country they should follow?

[Sage]

Here is two links backing up my sources.

Here (http://news.yahoo.com/sharia-law-declaration-raises-concerns-libya-174347939.html)

And Here (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/10/24/141668281/interim-leader-says-sharia-law-will-guide-libya)

There isn't anything wrong with democracy founded on Islamic principles. Who said anything about the US being founded Christian values? And if the US was, Whats your point. Lots of countries are founded on the populations majority's religion.


Again, what is your point, what is wrong with that? You have a better idea or country they should follow?

Go read my post again. Also, I suggest you find more reliable world news sources, like Al-Jazeera English. If you've listened to any of the actual Libyan citizens speak their thoughts on the matter, you'd know they aren't vying for theocracy.

[TopGear]

Go read my post again. Also, I suggest you find more reliable world news sources, like Al-Jazeera English. If you've listened to any of the actual Libyan citizens speak their thoughts on the matter, you'd know they aren't vying for theocracy.

Lol, you must be kidding me, Find more reliable world sources? I thought you would say something about Yahoo, But NPR, Really? There are direct quotes in the NPR source directly from AP. Last time I checked, the Libyan people aren't in charge of whats going on in that country, There Military is.

[Sage]

Last time I checked, the Libyan people aren't in charge of whats going on in that country, There Military is.

Last I checked, the Libyan people are the ones who got the country to where it is now in the first place.

[TopGear]

Last I checked, the Libyan people are the ones who got the country to where it is now in the first place.

Yes, yes they did. But they aren't leading it. The military is, They are in control and making the decision to Islamic sharia law.

[aperson444]

Oh my, this again. Look, any country in the Middle East goes by "Sharia Law". When a revolution happens, the new leader will promise something that satisfies the majority -- that majority being Muslims who want Islamic law (Islamic law is a lot different than what the fundamentalists from Al Qaeda want). I doubt the NTC would adopt fundamentalist Sharia law, rather I think they will adopt Islamic law that is like Pakistan, Qatar or UAE, which basically means that portions of legislation will be based on Islam.

A theocracy is unlikely. The only Sunni Islamic State I can think of was Afghanistan under the Taliban (Iran is a Shia state). Sunni Islam does not have the "Imam" as a religious leader, thus the only possible way to instill a radically theocratic Islamic state would be a dictatorship of some sort involving a spiritual leader, but not an all-powerful Imam (i.e the Ayatollah). I believe only Shia Islam believes in the Imam who is a descendant of Mohammed. I doubt the people of Libya and the NTC would allow that to happen. Qaddhafi deviated from the rest of the Middle East. He was the last of the so-called "Arab Socialists" (who are not really Socialists, but more like extreme pan-Arab Nationalists). The next closest leader to Qaddhafi in ideology would be Bashar al-Assad, who is a member of the Ba'ath Party (which is pan-Arab Nationalist).

As of now, the NTC faces a highly armed and quite riled up civilian population. Don't forget that it was largely civilians from villages that overthrew Qaddhafi in the first place. Would the NTC really risk installing a military dictatorship in direct opposition to the civilian force? The future of Libya looks like the future of most Arab Spring nations -- Unknown. I think that if these countries can resist Capitalism and Western Imperialism, we may see a long-sustained democracy. In the end, US influence has pretty much messed up every Arab country (i.e we overthrew the PM of Iran in 1959, funded Saddam, funded Qaddhafi and intervened in Lebanon).

[Donkey]

My views are written up here (http://freedia.org.uk/blog/2011/10/27/sharia-law-basis-for-libya-legislation/). Summary:

It is my view that if Muslims wish to live by Sharia law and go by the Sharia ideals then they should be allowed to (for example, we have Sharia courts in the UK however they are entirely optional), however no legal system should target individuals based on religious ideologies. That is unfair on those minorities and is a huge step backwards for the liberation of Libya. It remains to be seen whether this will be as disastrous as it sounds at first.

[nath0]

Well nothing is as bad as Gadhafi and his laws.....