The death of multiculturism?

[TheGangstaSheep]

I just want to say right off the bat, I am not promoting racism or anything like that, just saying what I see in the world around me.

It's 2011, the world is in a huge economic crisis and everyone is worried about what the future holds. We as humans always want something to blame when something bad happens and here in the UK, it's Black, Asian or pretty much anyone who isn't "British". This party called the BNP are promoting racism and unfortunately people do not see that they are sick people who want England to be "99% white". The last time we had a major economic crisis like this was before WW2 and Hitler got into power by making Jewish people the scapegoat for all of Germany's problems. I'm worried that something like this could happen in my own country(England). Even my own brother thinks the BNP are good! I often find myself asking the question "How can you hate a whole race because of something petty like the colour of their skin or their beliefs?" yet the answer is never spoken.

I'd like to hear you guys' thoughts on this irregardless of what country you're from. Let me know how it is in your country :)

Thanks, Cihan/Turk.

[embers]

I think the EDL are a more formidable force than the BNP. Nick Griffin is a fucking joke; Stephen Lennon, not so much, though I think both of them are morons.

[TheGangstaSheep]

I'm not snobbish or anything like that but it's the lower class people who tend to fall for their lies. Let's face it, most people who live in these council flats in the rough parts of towns are hopeless. They know they will never get a £20,000+ job and accept it but rather than accept the blame, they try to blame someone else for their own problems.

[aperson444]

I'm fairly sure it has nothing to do with class -- in fact many of the members of anti-Fascist (ANTIFA aligned) groups are lower class as well. People in dire financial situations are looking straight in the eyes of reality, and reality is scary as hell. Thus, they need a solution to the economic problem. Remember, economic crisis strikes the poor before it strikes the rich. Regardless, it is not the end of multi-culturalism. In the USA, there is too much emphasis on multi-culturalism (and mind you that I'm the son of Indian immigrants). The whole political-correctness situation only fuels racist elements to degrade and demonize immigrants. The same applies for Britain, but Britain is more impacted by this racist idea because Britain has historically been more polarized. Socialist parties are more prevalent in Europe and thus the Fascist/far-Right parties are more antsy. Britain is also much smaller (thus denser), so population increase is well noticed. Britain is also the historical home of the skinhead movement (which was initially not racist).

In summary, multiculturalism is not at all near its end. Rather, it's becoming well accepted (and that is a good thing, but too much emphasis on multiculturalism and political correctness is hindering the cause). I think that any sort of rise in far-Right parties will be met with heavy opposition from all sides. I am worried about racism in Europe especially after the Norway bombing/shootings, the rise of BNP and the neo-Nazis of Eastern Europe, but at the same time there is a strong anti-Fascist presence in Europe (unlike in USA, where Communist/Socialist/ANTIFA parties are almost nonexistent), so the far-Right will not come to power without strong opposition from these anti-Fascist elements.

[TheGangstaSheep]

You made some pretty interesting points there. Maybe one day people from all walks of life will be accepted but who knows. I just hope that these neo-nazis and the likes will soon be eradicated.

[scuba steve]

A recession is more or less scheduled to happen every 20-30 years or so, it happened in the 80's, we'll recover it's not the end of the world. Also Germany didn't use the Jews as a scape goat they were fascist, which meant they took everything that was felt to hurt nationalism and destroyed it, this also included the disabled/handicapped and people with red hair and many other minorities.

On the issue of the BNP, the party actually has a well thought out economic strategy seemingly devised to help the common man's problems, providing heating and shelter for the elderly at a reduced rate and national priority for jobs erasing affirmative action to name a few (the abolishment of affirmative action i'm actually in favour of) It's their social issues that are the trouble, which are incredibly backwards holding only a cult following of idiots and xenophobic's in their ranks.

[aperson444]

Capitalism produces recessions every 20-30 years. Karl Marx predicted that, and so far it has been shown true. It's the severity of the recession that determines response. Marx suggested that these recessions will get more and more severe, but that has not been the case. It could be that government intervention has prevented the degeneration of economy. I have no clue what it is.

However racism is not solely based on economy. It has to do with many factors. Many times it can originate from violent upbringing -- especially the neo-Nazi movement. Many neo-Nazi gangs are simply children who have grown up learning these ideals in a violent and impersonal upbringing. The Nazi Germans were staunch believers in eugenics. The Jews were simply one of the largest minorities in Germany at the time. The Nazis believed that the Jews were not only evil, but they had bad genes that should not be released into the gene pool. It was fascism it its maximum -- authoritarian control of everything from politics to biology. Crazy shit. I'm glad it ended so quick, the world would be very messed up if Nazi Germany was still around.

[TheGangstaSheep]

Yup. The funny part about these BNP and EDL guys are that they're all about having pride and being British yet there are(or were) videos of them at marches doing "Hail Hitler" signs and it's so stupid because their grandparents most likely fought against that.

[aperson444]

Even more so are the neo-Nazis in Russia and Belarus. A very large amount of the Russian population was slaughtered by the Nazis, and I believe 1/3 of Belarus was vaporized by the Nazi. It's really ironic considering that pretty much everyone was an immigrant at some point or another. Except for the Southeast Africans. But the racism issue is fairly mild there, it's mostly in Europe and North America (USA and Canada). There are also some strongly Nationalist parties in India (BJP; Bharyata Janyata Party), and in Israel (followers of Kahane). Far-right politics is extremely contradictory and extremely flawed.

[TheGangstaSheep]

All freedom is lost when a fascist or communist part takes charge.

[embers]

I'm not snobbish or anything like that but it's the lower class people who tend to fall for their lies. Let's face it, most people who live in these council flats in the rough parts of towns are hopeless. They know they will never get a £20,000+ job and accept it but rather than accept the blame, they try to blame someone else for their own problems.

Arrr durrr. What a fucking sweeping generalisation. Way to paint yourself as not snobbish.

[TheGangstaSheep]

Arrr durrr. What a fucking sweeping generalisation. Way to paint yourself as not snobbish.

Haha! I'm low to middle class myself. I live in a pretty rough area so...
Either way, I never said they were lower life forms, I just said that they do and they have a reason for it too. Sorry if I offended you.

[embers]

Haha! I'm low to middle class myself. I live in a pretty rough area so...
Either way, I never said they were lower life forms, I just said that they do and they have a reason for it too. Sorry if I offended you.

You implied it. Besides, I'm not going to take offence considering I'm not 'lower class', but most of the people in my town and around my town who support the EDL (and that's quite a lot, surprisingly) are middle or upper-middle class people. I just found the generalisation there really moronic.

[TheGangstaSheep]

Well it's differentiation really. People in your town might like lamb and people in mine might like chicken. I should have specified that I meant my area with that comment and am sorry for it. I hope you can accept my apology and not withhold this against me :P

[embers]

Well it's differentiation really. People in your town might like lamb and people in mine might like chicken. I should have specified that I meant my area with that comment and am sorry for it. I hope you can accept my apology and not withhold this against me :P

It's all good bro.

[kurdebele]

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[Unique Physique]

Well, to be honest, in many areas of the UK it seems "multiculturalism" is virtually non-existent seeing as ethnic groups form their own 'exclusive' communities in certain areas of towns/cities. It's human nature I suppose, I'm white and while I have nothing against people of other races/nationalities I can honestly admit I am not exactly that comfortable being, say, the only white person among a group of say.. black people, or Asian people. And some black/Asian people I've spoke to have said they've felt the same - they're more comfortable with their own ethnic group, which is why this happens. That's not to say you can't have friends/partners of other races or that it doesn't happen, but when you've been raised with (mostly) your own race, it's not the same..

In an ideal world we would all be race blind, but in reality, people generally like to be with people who are like themselves, racially, culturally, etc.

[Jupiter]

This is like my dad. I have no idea how he can be racist, and sexist, and just a negatroid... he is so judgemental.

[embers]

Well, to be honest, in many areas of the UK it seems "multiculturalism" is virtually non-existent seeing as ethnic groups form their own 'exclusive' communities in certain areas of towns/cities. It's human nature I suppose, I'm white and while I have nothing against people of other races/nationalities I can honestly admit I am not exactly that comfortable being, say, the only white person among a group of say.. black people, or Asian people. And some black/Asian people I've spoke to have said they've felt the same - they're more comfortable with their own ethnic group, which is why this happens. That's not to say you can't have friends/partners of other races or that it doesn't happen, but when you've been raised with (mostly) your own race, it's not the same..

In an ideal world we would all be race blind, but in reality, people generally like to be with people who are like themselves, racially, culturally, etc.

I hate it when people say that. You're only feeling uncomfortable around other ethnic groups because you're focusing on that ethnicity. Ignore it! I was brought up in Pakistan around only people of my own race, yet since I moved to England I haven't been feeling alienated at all. My white friends bring up race more than I do and I really don't care.

I think in a sense though you may be right, that certain ethnicities feel more comfortable when they're able to engage with their own culture and humour. But I really don't see it as that big an issue.

[pineinchneis]

im mixed race and i think the bnp are complete idiots. a lot of the modern immigration problem (2000 to now) is because of the eu. the immigation from the commonwealth in the 50s brought more open ideas to the uk and this is when my mums familly came over from india (1952).