Abortion and Stem Cells

[disassociation2016]

Appalled that certain people find embryonic stem cell collection is okay, but early term abortion isn't? Bitches be crazy.......

[Cybercode]

I think this is more of a bashing thread. Can you explain your reasons please!

[disassociation2016]

Technically speaking, yes. I am bashing my classmates, and I intend on going to American Government tomorrow and telling this hoe how crazy she is.

[Cybercode]

so you are just venting out frustration?

[disassociation2016]

I guess. I don't suppose you care to share your opinion on the matter? I mean this is a forum.

[Cybercode]

Well honestly stem cell research, I have to do my research on the that first, get my ducks in a row before I go into a debate. Abortion:

Early term, as long as it's heart has not started beating, it can be aborted. After the heart starts beating, and if I'm correct that is around week 6 (don't hold me to that) then I think it's wrong. But my views are if it was consented sex, they must pay the price. If they were responsible to have un-protected sex in the first place, then they are responsible enough to have the baby. Rape victims is different. I can see the justifiability (is that even a word?) in that. But it's not my life, I won't bother controlling or telling other people what to do, those are just my views on things.

I will continue with the stem cell research part tomorrow after some research on my part.

[Harlequin]

I agree with what has been said previously about Abortion, I am male and i do not have to deal with abortion, and i never want to make a woman do so.

Stem cell research!!!

From what i gather the placenta has more than or equal to the amount of stem cells as an embryo. so saying that, can we not ask mothers if we can extract stem cells from what is usually thrown away as bio-waste to extract stem cells that could save her/the baby if any complications arise? That way the harvest of stem cells is clean (yech mebe not) and does not hurt a future baby or mother. ('cept for the whole giving birth thing) SEE PRO LIFERS there is a way to have science without killing things! now go back to attacking PETA and leave us Science peoples to our research!

[AllThatYouDreamed]

Considering stem cells can be pulled from cord blood which is in no way arguable as a life, I see absolutely nothing wrong with the research, even if we ARE arguing that a zygote is a life.

[TheMatrix]

This is turning into a debate, so I'll move it to ROTW.

[TheGangstaSheep]

I find it absolutely stupid that Stem cell research is not legal. Stem cells have the answer to many diseases and you wouldn't even have to abort any being to get them. Did you know that the umbrilical cord from a baby can be used for stem cells yet it gets wasted by juts being thrown away. The good things that can come from it outway the bad.

[aperson444]

I think abortion is fine at any time. I do not regard a fetus as alive until it has lost physical dependency on the mother (i.e you cannot take a fetus from the mother and implant it in a surrogate, but once the child is born, it can be given to an adoptive parent, thus is alive). However regardless of that, embryonic stem cells are LIFESAVERS. They are extremely versatile. A little goes a long way. There is an optimal point where stem cells are to be harvested. Late-term or even mid-term fetuses are not optimal, as those stem cells begin to differentiate into cytoblasts (replace cyto with whatever layer it belongs to). Differentiation occurs by simple genetic expression changes based on surroundings. I think that aborted fetuses should be required to be donated to research. I don't see any reason, ethical or logical, why fetuses should not be given to research to obtain stem cells. Especially when that fetus is early-term.

[Cybercode]

I think abortion is fine at any time. I do not regard a fetus as alive until it has lost physical dependency on the mother (i.e you cannot take a fetus from the mother and implant it in a surrogate, but once the child is born, it can be given to an adoptive parent, thus is alive)

So you are saying it's right for it to be terminated on ohhhhh saaaay...the 37th week? That's pretty much definitely killing right there.

[Jupiter]

Stem cell research= abortion

and to the person who neg repped me... :) never said anything WAS wrong with abortion.

[Perseus]

Stem cell research= abortion

Not entirely. You can get stem cells from miscarriages.

[Jupiter]

Not entirely. You can get stem cells from miscarriages.
But they don't normally.

[Perseus]

But they don't normally.

I don't know if they do. I was just sayin'.

[Jupiter]

And that's completely acceptable.

[botwa]

could placenta that is pushed while the baby has been born be used for the research? I guess it could...
then why not?