Mind Over Matter

[Theone15]

When I hear mind over matter I think of the natural restriction of the human brain, basically only using 10-ish% of our brain power, the reason for the limitation to 10% is to stop the brain scrambling (or something like that) Well back onto the point. People say we could lift things with our mind if we used more, no reason to decrease the limitation to do it, just increase the energy output, 'Energy? Whats that got to do with it?' you might be asking yourself, well hears what.
Energy would 'encase' the said object then the energy would lift lifting the object, so if we increased the amount of energy output we could use telekinesis.
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So that my thoughts, please I encourage you add your own thoughts, I don't care for your science ability (that sounded mean) just post.

[Korashk]

We can use more than 10% of our brains, and there is no reason to think that increased brain power equals telekinesis.

[Theone15]

Well, it is widely believed that more brain power could lead to mental abilities, their is a reason we can't go over 10% and that is so the brain doesn't damage itself because, like a computer, it can't go better then the components unless upgraded

[Peace God]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10%25_of_brain_myth

[SosbanFach]

Nice idea, but looks like a no go, looking at the above link.

/thread

[AJay]

In all reality yes, it is false to say we only use ten percent of our brain power. BUT even though we do use most of our brains we use different parts at different times. Only a few parts of the brain work at the same time.

The trick to mind over matter is RELAXATION because the time we use more parts of the brain at once more than any other time is when we are asleep.

[Jupiter]

I think this... is over, considering it's a myth.

[AJay]

I think this... is over, considering it's a myth.

I don't know about others here but I find your intrusion slightly rude especially since it seems you yourself started that interesting pseudoscience thread. I'm willing to hear out an argument or debate if you have any way to combat us rather than just coming in here and bashing on us.

[music is my soul]

I don't know about others here but I find your intrusion slightly rude especially since it seems you yourself started that interesting pseudoscience thread. I'm willing to hear out an argument or debate if you have any way to combat us rather than just coming in here and bashing on us.

Im with this guy.

[Jupiter]

I don't know about others here but I find your intrusion slightly rude especially since it seems you yourself started that interesting pseudoscience thread. I'm willing to hear out an argument or debate if you have any way to combat us rather than just coming in here and bashing on us.

I don't believe I was being rude. I said my opinion. It is ROTW, isn't it?

[music is my soul]

I don't believe I was being rude. I said my opinion. It is ROTW, isn't it?

Ok but technaclly its not a myth there is some science behind it.

http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/Telekinesis%20Fact%20or%20fantasy.htm

[Jupiter]

Ok but technaclly its not a myth there is some science behind it.

http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/Telekinesis%20Fact%20or%20fantasy.htm

You cannot believe everything you read online.

[music is my soul]

You cannot believe everything you read online.

Agreed, but theres plenty of places where u can find stuff lik this that says almost if not exactly the same thing.

[AJay]

I don't believe I was being rude. I said my opinion. It is ROTW, isn't it?

Well we are both entitled to our beliefs. I would enjoy it if you brought an actual debate to this though rather than simply posting your opinion.

You are the kind of person I don't get along with in all the right ways which makes me smile. ^^

((Yes, I'm a tad insane.))

[AJay]

You cannot believe everything you read online.

Valid point while you cannot believe everything you read (not limited to online) this point is also not limited to this topic I could say the same thing about Christianity for example.

[music is my soul]

((Yes, I'm a tad insane.))

Me too! :)

[Peace God]

Ok but technaclly its not a myth there is some science behind it.

http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/Telekinesis%20Fact%20or%20fantasy.htm
Why would you pick a link that goes against what you're saying?

[AJay]

Why would you pick a link that goes against what you're saying?

That link actually isn't against telekinesis per say. It portrays a pretty neutral opinion.

[Peace God]

That link actually isn't against telekinesis per say. It portrays a pretty neutral opinion.
Did you guys read more than the first 3 sentences? He clearly doesn't believe in it.

[AJay]

Did you guys read more than the first 3 sentences? He clearly doesn't believe in it.

I read the whole thing and he says while it hasn't been proven it has never been disproved.

Feel free to believe more or not but I am the highest scoring writer (max points possible) and critical reader on my state exams at my school.

((Then again my school is filled to the brim with red necks and illiterates))

Please don't take this as a brag take this as "I know where I'm coming from in saying what I have.".

Everyone misunderstands sometimes for all we know we both missed the point of that article.



I will admit however that even though the author is not a believer the article itself is still EXTREMELY neutral.

[Peace God]

I read the whole thing and he says while it hasn't been proven it has never been disproved.
That's a meaningless statement. It does not give "TK" any credibility whatsoever.
Feel free to believe more or not but I am the highest scoring writer (max points possible) and critical reader on my state exams at my school.

((Then again my school is filled to the brim with red necks and illiterates))

Please don't take this as a brag take this as "I know where I'm coming from in saying what I have.".

:coolthumb:

Everyone misunderstands sometimes for all we know we both missed the point of that article.



I will admit however that even though the author is not a believer the article itself is still EXTREMELY neutral.
It's not neutral, seeing as the article further pushes telekinesis toward the status of "myth". He even writes a list of 8 reasons he doesn't believe in it!

"TK has been claimed to be real for over 100 years. If it was real do you not think it would have become a scientific fact by now, instead of still remaining no more than a belief?" ~ Article

[Jupiter]

Well we are both entitled to our beliefs. I would enjoy it if you brought an actual debate to this though rather than simply posting your opinion.

You are the kind of person I don't get along with in all the right ways which makes me smile. ^^

((Yes, I'm a tad insane.))

You, too, seem like the type of person I wouldn't be friends with.
How in the world, can something that humans can't control, become something that can bend spoons, or move objects?

There's your debate.

[Spreadingwings]

Mind over Matter is ,(to me), a question of relaxation, concentration, and belief. In my opinion you can generate more energy to wrap around an object if you concentrate on moving it, get rid of the disbelief that keeps you from moving objects with your mind, and relax your self in order to concentrate more on only the object.

[Spreadingwings]

"TK has been claimed to be real for over 100 years. If it was real do you not think it would have become a scientific fact by now, instead of still remaining no more than a belief?" ~ Article

evolution, and beginings of the earth. TK might latter be proven, like how changing the properties of base metals to that of gold has, ( Alchemy).

We can preform transmutation now with our knowledge of chemistry and nuclear reactors.

[Spreadingwings]

You, too, seem like the type of person I wouldn't be friends with.
How in the world, can something that humans can't control, become something that can bend spoons, or move objects?

There's your debate.

Like how humans can't control dissease, atoms, or electricity like lightning, because we can in this age.

[PureReality]

When I hear mind over matter I think of the natural restriction of the human brain, basically only using 10-ish% of our brain power, the reason for the limitation to 10% is to stop the brain scrambling (or something like that) Well back onto the point. People say we could lift things with our mind if we used more, no reason to decrease the limitation to do it, just increase the energy output, 'Energy? Whats that got to do with it?' you might be asking yourself, well hears what.
Energy would 'encase' the said object then the energy would lift lifting the object, so if we increased the amount of energy output we could use telekinesis.
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So that my thoughts, please I encourage you add your own thoughts, I don't care for your science ability (that sounded mean) just post.

I agree with this. :yes:

[Sage]

That's not what "mind over matter" means OP, and there's no such thing as telekinesis or magic.

[Jupiter]

Like how humans can't control dissease, atoms, or electricity like lightning, because we can in this age.

We can't with simply our minds.

[AJay]

That's a meaningless statement. It does not give "TK" any credibility whatsoever.

:coolthumb:


It's not neutral, seeing as the article further pushes telekinesis toward the status of "myth". He even writes a list of 8 reasons he doesn't believe in it!

"TK has been claimed to be real for over 100 years. If it was real do you not think it would have become a scientific fact by now, instead of still remaining no more than a belief?" ~ Article
I still hold firm while the author is indeed personally against the concept BUT the article he contradicts itself many times and does admit that the concept can neither be proven or disproved even if the author personally doesn't agree with it.

I would also like to say I am merely defending my friend who posted the link. I would've found a better example than that due to the contradictions within that article.

You, too, seem like the type of person I wouldn't be friends with.
How in the world, can something that humans can't control, become something that can bend spoons, or move objects?

There's your debate.
I meant that comment in a good way by the way. I absolutely enjoy people who I don't get along with like you. It is fun to debate with your polar opposite.

Well, while I can't tell you with utmost certainty that I can prove this to you I can say that they have been able to document energy transfers between people with readings from scientific equipment. ((A good example is aura photography I have done enough research to know it is legit including friends whom have had it done))

So assuming that we do indeed have energy surrounding us that can be controlled and transferred between people and even objects it would indeed be possible to move objects with enough of it.

This is further given validation when you go into the fact that the electromagnetic energy humans give off has been recorded with ability to move objects in large dosages.

There are actually some areas of the world where there are actually enough electromagnetic forces in the area that household items move themselves on a regular basis.

Mind over Matter is ,(to me), a question of relaxation, concentration, and belief. In my opinion you can generate more energy to wrap around an object if you concentrate on moving it, get rid of the disbelief that keeps you from moving objects with your mind, and relax your self in order to concentrate more on only the object.
Thank you for your opinion.



I would also like to say to whoever dissed my rep complaining about me telling people what to do and having a low post count I did not tell them I suggested it to them was totally out of free will that he posted again. I would also like to say that I have had some high up people GIVE me rep for this thread for standing up like this.

I would also like to point out that even though my post count is low I have been a member for two years. Check the date on my profile.

[Peace God]

the concept can neither be proven or disproved
Why do you think that means anything? I could say the same for me shooting lasers out of my eyes... or unicorns... or fairies. "You can't disprove it" doesn't give the idea any more legitimacy.

[Jupiter]

Why do you think that means anything? I could say the same for me shooting lasers out of my eyes... or unicorns... or fairies. "You can't disprove it" doesn't give the idea any more legitimacy.

This is exactly what I was gonna say.

[AJay]

Why do you think that means anything? I could say the same for me shooting lasers out of my eyes... or unicorns... or fairies. "You can't disprove it" doesn't give the idea any more legitimacy.

This is exactly what I was gonna say.

But that means you can't disprove anything as well yet you continue to attempt to disagree.

[Korashk]

But that means you can't disprove anything as well yet you continue to attempt to disagree.
You can disprove anything that has a falsifiable definition.

[AJay]

You can disprove anything that has a falsifiable definition.

If everything in the world was as is described in a dictionary we would be communists without religion and beliefs.

[Korashk]

If everything in the world was as is described in a dictionary we would be communists without religion and beliefs.
A) That's just nonsense
B) Everything has a definition, it's the law of identity, A = A. That definition may or may not be found in a dictionary.

[aperson444]

The vast majority of your brain is in the realm of the subconscious. Ideas are connected in a neural circuit that is not unlike normal circuits. We can connect these ideas by learning such (for example, we can connect green lights with the car moving...those are two independent ideas). If all of these circuits were active at once, it would be impossible to think or discern things from one another. Learning is a product of a chemical process called long term potentiation, which can also strengthen memories by increasing the signal output (I think there's like spacial and aural or something). Memories are pretty much single synapses on a nerve cell. The energy produced is not really "energy". What happens is something called depolarization. To activate a nerve cell, sodium ions (or sometimes calcium) rush into the cell through protein gates. This creates a difference in charge between the inside of the cell and the outside. This difference is called "potential" or voltage, and thus a force is conducted along the nerve cell. Saltatory conduction allows this potential to jump between nonconductive myelin. We cannot channel this energy. It however may be possible to light a lightbulb by connecting individual neurons to a circuit, but that would mean your death as that would indicate a large amount of metal being inserted into your head.

[AJay]

A) That's just nonsense
B) Everything has a definition, it's the law of identity, A = A. That definition may or may not be found in a dictionary.

But how robotic would the world be if we only went my dictionary definition rather than including moral and intuitive definitions?

Telekinesis is only falsified by definition if you truly are closed minded to any beliefs other than your own.

[Peace God]

Telekinesis is only falsified by definition if you truly are closed minded to any beliefs other than your own.


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[AJay]

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I like how you take one part of a connected idea I post and try to bash it. Just because one is of scientific thinking doesn't mean they are closed minded but being scientifically thinking but unwilling to give any credibility to unproven concepts can be seen as open minded.

I myself have a highly active scientific as well as spiritual mindset. Long before knowing about spirituality (I never gave a damn as a kid about it) I always wanted to be a scientist since then my view of who I want to be in the future has changed to something very different.

But every once and awhile I consider going into a field of scientific study based around the supernatural. Which their are plenty of well known scientists who study meta-physics. Also we must remember that quantum physics was once a meta-physical study and is still considered such by some.

So to say that a currently unproven topic can't be true is blasphemous even more so for a scientist to say than an actual religious teacher speaking against science.

((Nice video by the way I've added it to my favorites so I can share it with others))

[Sage]

So to say that a currently unproven topic can't be true is blasphemous even more so for a scientist to say than an actual religious teacher speaking against science.

1) There's no blasphemy in science. Science is not a religion. It's how the world works.
2) An unproven topic can be true, but it's irrational and stupid to believe it is without compelling evidence.

[AJay]

1) There's no blasphemy in science. Science is not a religion. It's how the world works.
2) An unproven topic can be true, but it's irrational and stupid to believe it is without compelling evidence.

1- This was merely to be used as an example ((maybe could be stated better than I did))

2- That is indeed true and I personally don't truly believe this subject to much extent personally. I just merely enjoy debating and seeing things from every angle. I do however believe in energy and being able to manipulate it to a degree ((and a few other paranormal phenomena that I have seen or experienced directly with compelling evidence)). If you want to discuss my true beliefs with me feel free to PM me. ^^

You can be sure that my true beliefs are more neutral because I haven't mentioned any experiences or anything first hand. I have spoken this whole time kind of as an outsider if you read carefully.

The only things I have taken personally is when Illogic starts tearing little parts of my debate to pieces and it leads me slightly off topic. ((But by him doing so I am learning to see my flaws in my strategies))

[Peace God]

Just because one is of scientific thinking doesn't mean they are closed minded but being scientifically thinking but unwilling to give any credibility to unproven concepts can be seen as open minded.
Nothing worth giving it credibility had been presented.
I myself have a highly active scientific as well as spiritual mindset. Long before knowing about spirituality (I never gave a damn as a kid about it) I always wanted to be a scientist since then my view of who I want to be in the future has changed to something very different.
:coolthumb:
But every once and awhile I consider going into a field of scientific study based around the supernatural.
"supernatural" or paranormal studies =/= science
Which their are plenty of well known scientists who study meta-physics. Also we must remember that quantum physics was once a meta-physical study and is still considered such by some.
paranormal studies =/= metaphysics

[AJay]

Nothing worth giving it credibility had been presented.

:coolthumb:

"supernatural" or paranormal studies =/= science

paranormal studies =/= metaphysics

You are merely pointing out the holes I already know exist in my defense. Read the post I did right before yours.

I find debating a healthy means of widening ones views. I couldn't have told you I wasn't arguing for my true beliefs before because I wouldn't have been taken as seriously if I had.

Also it is a good way of practicing because if you can fight for something you are neutral on or even against then when you fight for something you actually feel strongly for and have evidence to support it makes you that much stronger.

I believe it would be best at this point to admit that neither side may take victory in this debate.

[Peace God]

I believe it would be best at this point to admit that neither side may take victory in this debate.
Sides?

[AJay]

Sides?

Good point. xD

We were really just running in circles.

[Korashk]

But how robotic would the world be if we only went my dictionary definition rather than including moral and intuitive definitions?
Where in my initial posts did I mention a dictionary?

Telekinesis is only falsified by definition if you truly are closed minded to any beliefs other than your own.
Huh? You are not a very comprehensive reader.

[AJay]

Where in my initial posts did I mention a dictionary?


Huh? You are not a very comprehensive reader.

You said definition usually if you are speaking about true definitions the dictionary is the answer and I was assuming true definitions because if that was not what you actually meant it makes your post and therefore the point you were trying to prove completely invalid.

Good day sir. ^^

[Bath]

My dad went to this thing once when he was younger, where this hypnotist guy had a huge layer of hot, burning coals on the ground... there was a huge crowd of people that my dad was in, and the hypnotist guy was getting them pumped up, and then one by one each person in the crowd would walk across the hot coal after the hypnotist had told them something, my dad said he didn't remember.

It didn't work for everybody, some people got their feet burned and had to go to the hospital, but for a majority of the people, mind over matter worked. :)

I think that's pretty cool.

[Korashk]

You said definition usually if you are speaking about true definitions the dictionary is the answer and I was assuming true definitions because if that was not what you actually meant it makes your post and therefore the point you were trying to prove completely invalid.
There's no such thing as a true definition, because in the context of a discussion you can define anything however you want to define it. All that matters is that it's defined. You don't need a dictionary to do that. Quit trying to further this line of reasoning, you're just making yourself look dumb.

[darkwoon]

Well, while I can't tell you with utmost certainty that I can prove this to you I can say that they have been able to document energy transfers between people with readings from scientific equipment. ((A good example is aura photography I have done enough research to know it is legit including friends whom have had it done))
"Aura photography" - the popular name for "Kirlian photography" - doesn't involve energy transfers between people. It is caused by the natural electric field surrounding objects of all kinds. Of course, the electromagnetic field surrounding a human will influence the one of another close object/animal/human - that's elementary physics. But it doesn't mean that we can control it by pure mental power, that we can use it to transmit meaningful informations or that we can receive and "understand" those fluctuations.

So assuming that we do indeed have energy surrounding us that can be controlled and transferred between people and even objects it would indeed be possible to move objects with enough of it.
Yes, but none of the required postulates are verified: we cannot consciously control the intensity, direction and modulation of the field, and even if we could, the intensity of the field is way too low to allow any form of practical telekinesis.

This is further given validation when you go into the fact that the electromagnetic energy humans give off has been recorded with ability to move objects in large dosages.
Yes, but humans don't produce such large dosages by themselves.

There are actually some areas of the world where there are actually enough electromagnetic forces in the area that household items move themselves on a regular basis.
Quite possible, but again, we have no way to detect and manipulate those fields without machines.

So far, there is no experiment that can be reliably repeated demonstrating that our brain is able to perceive EM fields of the intensity a typical human emits. As such, from the scientific point of view, telekinesis or mind-reading are considered as nothing but theorical speculations.

[AllThatYouDreamed]

It didn't work for everybody, some people got their feet burned and had to go to the hospital, but for a majority of the people, mind over matter worked. :)

walking over coals has something to due with how long your feet are on the heat and I think something with water creating a slight cushion between you and the coals. If you psych yourself out enough, yeah you'll be fine.

Mind over matter is about convincing yourself about something so it does/doesn't happen, usually regarding physical things like pain and abilities to do something. It's why some people can blatantly ignore pain.

It has NOTHING to do with telekinesis, psychicness, or any other supernatural power.

[AJay]

There's no such thing as a true definition, because in the context of a discussion you can define anything however you want to define it. All that matters is that it's defined. You don't need a dictionary to do that. Quit trying to further this line of reasoning, you're just making yourself look dumb.

You are making yourself look dumb because if there is no true definition then that further makes your argument purposeless and without value.

"Aura photography" - the popular name for "Kirlian photography" - doesn't involve energy transfers between people. It is caused by the natural electric field surrounding objects of all kinds. Of course, the electromagnetic field surrounding a human will influence the one of another close object/animal/human - that's elementary physics. But it doesn't mean that we can control it by pure mental power, that we can use it to transmit meaningful informations or that we can receive and "understand" those fluctuations.

Actually there have been videos taken in lab experiments using this photography method that have documented energy transfers.

[supadupahitz]

I think that through proper training, we can learn to use areas of our brains better. Monks who meditate most of their lives can do some pretty amazing and seemingly impossible things.

Also, since our brains are more of a sponge when we're younger, I sure wish early education would take a big step forward. A friend of mine speaks english, spanish, russian, and german fluently. His parents just always talked to him in all those languages when he was little, and he learned. I have no idea why they wait to try to teach us until we're older. Let's skip the nursery rhymes and go straight to japanese please?