Anyone else see things this way?

[aperson444]

So I've been thinking.... Everything seems so fucking futile. Nothing really has a point to it, because in the end we all die. We are insignificant to a vast universe. We're nothing, yet we act like something. Is existing really enough reason to live? Why the fuck is suicide so frowned upon then, because in the end we all die. This existence seems meaningless, because we do things for hazy, relative goals. We go to school. For what? An education. For what? A career. For what? Money and a means to live. For what? There is no purpose beyond that point. And even then, everything preceding seems to lead to a materialistic goal. All action pathways can justify this everlasting futility to everything.

Not sure this is the right section... But anyone else feel this sense of futility? Am I seeing reality or am I just crazy?

[AppealToReason]

Well, if you're crazy than I am too. :P
That's the way I've been seeing the world for awhile now. That's also the reason suicide is always in my thoughts. Life seems pointless and I'm always told that I should never hurt myself, but why not? I don't see why I'm supposed to wait to die of old age or some freak accident. I'm going to die no matter what, so why can't I die on my own terms?
Oh, now I'm just rambling, lol...
But no, you're not alone in that thinking.

[aperson444]

Yea it's sort of weird how we as humans put so much value onto ourselves when really we're just miniscule sacks of chemicals walking around in infinity. It's awe-striking and depressing at the same time. When I was going through clinical depression I would just ruminate over that for hours and plan out my death.

[Ruzlier]

I do. Live with it. We are all just waiting to die.

[Slytherin_Prince]

A rather nihilistic view of things, don't you think?
The thing is, individual purpose cannot be generalized.
Where you don't see purpose, others occasionally do. The reverse also applies.
What you must do is find something that is worth it. An individual purpose.
If not, all that remains is a vessel without a will.
Also, not every goal is materialistic. I don't believe in the pursuit of happiness myself, but even I recognise valid purposes when I see them in others.
For myself, I live to be an individual person, with an individual personality.
Individual goals and purposes are enclosed with that line, though it would take a long time to elaborate. I shall refrain from doing so for that reason alone.

I wish you the best of luck.

Most sincerely,
Robert.

[Jupiter]

Here's what I think. When you die, earthly things are all gone. Everything, so the only things that you should worry about are things you can't buy (excluding the necessities.) like faith hope love, courage, etc.

[Maxxie]

TL:DR - I would read it all to get the gist of it, but information that is pertinent to the OP is down past the summation.

Existence is meaningless, I think if you've "admitted" (for lack of a better term) that fact it's time for the next step in that direction of thought, or at least my interpretation of all. Bad wording, but you get my point. I'm not trying to start a new religion.

Sure, it seems hopeless, that we've got nothing after this life, that this is IT, but adknowledging that meaninglessness is, well... Meaningless. You're here, you've got senses, you can feel emotion - love, pain, pleasure, friendship - so why think in any bigger picture that your HUMAN existence? What does it matter, your significance in the Universe, when the most significant thing of all to yourself IS yourself?

I am a tiny speck of mostly carbon, floating on an iron silicate speck of dust, orbiting a relatively small star in a sparsly populated suburb of a unfashionable galactic supercluster - and I fucking RELISH that fact. My actions are my own, and they are not dictated by some outside force (read: higher power) or ambiguous concept of "significance". I live. I am. I exist.

And so do you. So does the world. All of this is not to say to descend into hedonism because the self is te only thing that matters, far from it - when we realize that existing is the greatest possession we will EVER have, we realize the need to improve this existence. Some people lead shit lives, that's a given. They exist, though, same as you do, and because they have the same *basic* cognitive abilities and human characteristics, they are entitled to the same opportunities to improve their own existece as you are.

Not everyone thinks the same way you do, the way I do - about existence, eschatology, et cetera: they are concerned only with the pain and suffering they themselves feel. And we, the lucky, the affulent, should be commited to eliminating at least a microcosm of this pain and suffering from this world, because without doing so, what have we really done? Sentient beings are still going to exist, and that pain and suffering is still there, and we (the fortunate, the ones dealt the lucky cards) did nothing to stop it.

Summation of this random philosophical treatsie/rant: We serve two purposes in this world - to further our own existence, and to further the existence of others, both to a place with less pain, less suffering.

Nihilism (existence is meaningless) is natural for anyone, honestly. You're not crazy, you're normal - if not a little more freethinking. But it's the conquest of that nihilism, the embracing of that meaningless and the realization that life DOES have meaning, that defines you.

And life does have meaning - the meaning that YOU give to YOUR life.

Hope this helped.

[aperson444]

Yea, the basis of existentialism. But I'm nihilistic in support of hedonism in a sense, because there is no negative, no positive, no good, no evil. We should do what we wish. But my point was not what we should do, but the sheer reality of it. We're nothing in a sea of everything. We can't change how real we are. We can't expand our reality. All attempts to make ourselves more real are futile, because reality is an all or nothing state. Thus we come to the conclusive question: Is doing anything really worth it? Why not end a painful existence earlier than usual (i.e suicide)? In the end our death means nothing to the universe, and since life is painful (i.e it's 80% suffering, as we are always working towards an unreachable goal), then it makes logical sense to kill oneself. It really means nothing. My ultimate thesis is that: Existence is in essence pain and suffering, and thus we must embrace the inevitable. If we don't value ourselves -- which I do not, I don't see much value in humanity and I see less in myself, then why live at all? Why obey laws, go to school? Why stay healthy, why choose a mainstream political party?

I embrace chaos, because reality is chaos. A fundamental law of thermodynamics is that of ever increasing chaos (entropy). Every atom making me up is moving and vibrating chaotically. But I feel that as humans we put a "point" to too many things. We create morals and laws to constrain human nature when in the end our existence is futile. Civilization will collapse with laws or no laws. Why not embrace the chaos? Why create false order?

[Spreadingwings]

I refuse to live without a purpose and refuse to die sad, The dream to see happiness in myself and others drives me and becomes a purpose of mine. I know and except death as inevitable, and maybe the life that I live would be better off snuffed out eairly, but my dream is bright. The dream that drives me to live each day and see it though till the end, guides me. I'm not not going anywhere untill my dream comes true. And to tame my chaotic existance and make it one of a balenced nature, will help me see and make my dreams reality. That is why I will never end it. Besides, I may not now this to much detail but, if I'm gone eairly, I'll be denying the purpose I have given myself, by seeing the people who care for me cry about how I let chaos rule and end me. I will never end it.

[Amaryllis]

We live for the moments we feel happy. For the people we find and the beauty we see. We live because we could become something great, we could do, say, be, we could save a life and make a change. We have one shot to make something for our lives, one chance to do something right.

We live because sometimes we laugh, because we cry, fall, hurt and heal and then we can choose to help others get through the pain, too. Maybe some people "have worse lives" than us but why compare? Your problems and pain are yours. And my problems and pain are mine. Nobody can tell you they're hurting more than you are because only you truly know how you feel and your feelings are yours.

This life is the only chance we'll ever get. We can see the world and the people in it and we can find beauty in all of it. Life is what we make it, always has been, always will be.

Love,
Faith and Trust

[aperson444]

But happiness is simply a chemical response -- so is sadness. Then we live for those small moments, bursts of joy in a sea of pain? The world is and has always been in shit. It's human nature to destroy things, as we are destructive creatures that have expanded beyond mere survival to a state of false entitlement. What are we to do?

[Maxxie]

But happiness is simply a chemical response -- so is sadness. Then we live for those small moments, bursts of joy in a sea of pain? The world is and has always been in shit. It's human nature to destroy things, as we are destructive creatures that have expanded beyond mere survival to a state of false entitlement. What are we to do?

Existence is a chemical response.

We might be nothing, but, in a sense, to ourselves aren't we everything?

[khaos14]

Our purpose is to glorify God throughout our physical lives for all He has done for us. For those of you who feel that He hasn't done anything for you, He actually has. God has sacrificed His own son to take the burden of sin off of us. All He wants in return is a little gratitude. Surprisingly, He loves all of us and wants us all to be with Him forever. God has secured a place in heaven where we will always be safe, loved, and happy. For this reason we should all be thankful for Him and His mercy. He could have looked at us like most humans, and told us we aren't worth his love. However He has an unfailing love for us as His children. He sees the you inside and not only your actions. He may be disappointed in us at times when we stray from Him and sin, but He still loves us. He is always there welcoming us with open arms when we are lost and confused. It is our purpose on this earth to tell others about this love. Not to shove Christianity down others' throats, but to tell them the message of love God has given us. We are to care for other people while on earth and give them the same chance to accept God's love and allow Him to embrace them and care for them forever. I want to give others the same security, comfort, and happiness of God's promise that I have received. Please message me if you have any questions. (: God loves us all (:

[xDarkAngelx]

No your not crazy as I think that sometimes and also what's the point.

[aperson444]

Existence is a chemical response.

We might be nothing, but, in a sense, to ourselves aren't we everything?

Existence is a state, not a response to a stimuli. We are vessels of perception, nothing more, nothing less.


Our purpose is to glorify God throughout our physical lives for all He has done for us. For those of you who feel that He hasn't done anything for you, He actually has. God has sacrificed His own son to take the burden of sin off of us. All He wants in return is a little gratitude. Surprisingly, He loves all of us and wants us all to be with Him forever. God has secured a place in heaven where we will always be safe, loved, and happy. For this reason we should all be thankful for Him and His mercy. He could have looked at us like most humans, and told us we aren't worth his love. However He has an unfailing love for us as His children. He sees the you inside and not only your actions. He may be disappointed in us at times when we stray from Him and sin, but He still loves us. He is always there welcoming us with open arms when we are lost and confused. It is our purpose on this earth to tell others about this love. Not to shove Christianity down others' throats, but to tell them the message of love God has given us. We are to care for other people while on earth and give them the same chance to accept God's love and allow Him to embrace them and care for them forever. I want to give others the same security, comfort, and happiness of God's promise that I have received. Please message me if you have any questions. (: God loves us all (:

I'm a bigger fan of Islam/Sufism than Christianity, but thanks for the perspective.

[Maxxie]

Existence is a state, not a response to a stimuli. We are vessels of perception, nothing more, nothing less.

I assume you believe in the whole "Primordial Soup" theory. When lightning struck that conglomeration of carbon, nitrogen, phosphorus, oxygen, et cetera, it created amino acids, which inturn became proteins, which in turn developed into complex cellular structures (the specifics of the jump elude me). So Existence really is, in the beginning, a response to a stimuli. Granted, not a concious, or even remotely somatic response, but a response nonetheless.

Isn't the fact that we are vessels of perception make life so much more precious? We have this one time to exist, this one time to live LIFE, and that's the meaning behind it. The meaning behind it all is the meaning you create for yourself. Nihilism gets you nowhere... Furthering your perception, my friend, and using your existence to it's fullest, mocking death and Nonexistence... That is the meaning of life. You are human. Hell... You ARE.

[Hyper]

You seem to be in a ''philosophical'' phase of somesort.. I used to think somewhat alike probably 4 or 5 years back but now when I look back on it, it just seems like silly whining.

Now the brutally honest me would also say some things that would get me a warning from a mod which I don't want so let me try to sugar coat it or even be intellectually philosophical mumbo jumbo.

Your talk seems somewhat depressed, somewhat cyncial somewhat ''bored''. I can't tell which and I can't really be bothered since you seem to be asking for an opinion.

I wont bother explaining my view on life or the meaning of it in it's entirety but let's rather look at your presented views.

First huh sure atoms vibrate but they do not vibrate chaotically the ''range'' of vibrations depends on the properties of the medium and that is not what a chaotic state is.

The world being 80% suffering in a ''sea of pain'' seems like a dramaticism to me and indeed speaking of Nihilism it sure hell reminds of German philosophy which I despise.. If the world really was 80% SUFFERING IN A SEA OF PAIN!!! Then I doubt the human race would be as populated and comfortably situated on their own ignorance as they are right now.

Yes there are pretty shitty things going on all the time constantly but there are pretty good and pretty ''neutral'' things going on as well all the time. I'd rather say life is 50:50 what you make of it with a touch of unavoidable shit.

As for the old bullshit of ''human nature is to destroy'' I couldn't agree less. Even predators do not have a nature to destroy they have a biological instinct to survive and reproduce. The word ''destruction'' and the implication to destroy is another gross dramatization on your part.

Humanity doesn't destroy anything as a whole. It may carelessly acquire resources and waste a large amount of them but destruction is an entirely different story. I can't really think of anything else you might've meant under humanity destroying things as a whole...

As for humans as individuals. We are capable of violence and even sadism but not all of us not even most of us. Perhaps most men but that doesn't make up even half of humanity. Most peoples psyche does not respond well to violence even if they are initially capable of it. Extreme violence is more and more being proven to be a perversion of human psychology few humans are naturally born with a true capacity for repeated violence or sadism.

It's 8 AM I've run amock and caffein hungry.. I doubt I convinced you of anything but maybe you'll try to think more to me it seems like your philosophy is shaped by one-sided experience and a narrow view.

[aperson444]

The world being 80% suffering in a ''sea of pain'' seems like a dramaticism to me and indeed speaking of Nihilism it sure hell reminds of German philosophy which I despise.. If the world really was 80% SUFFERING IN A SEA OF PAIN!!! Then I doubt the human race would be as populated and comfortably situated on their own ignorance as they are right now.

You've got famines in East Africa, wars in Central Africa, Bullshit in North Africa, Bickering in the Middle East, Greed in the West, Sweatshops in the East, Melting ice in the North and South. Don't see anything comfortable there. Also understand that we've been around for less than a million years and we've seen countless plagues, wars and catastrophes. Many of which could have been preventable, many natural. Dark, yes, but true? Perhaps. I think so at least.

First huh sure atoms vibrate but they do not vibrate chaotically the ''range'' of vibrations depends on the properties of the medium and that is not what a chaotic state is.

Ideal gasses and properties of ideal gasses brah. Also, don't forget that electrons are moving in a cloud chaotically -- Heisenberg uncertainty principle demonstrates the chaos of the moving electron. Atoms vibrate no matter what unless they are at 0 K. That is chaotic considering the relative size of said atom. Even we as organisms are not constantly "vibrating" to our own perception.

As for the old bullshit of ''human nature is to destroy'' I couldn't agree less. Even predators do not have a nature to destroy they have a biological instinct to survive and reproduce. The word ''destruction'' and the implication to destroy is another gross dramatization on your part.

Do tigers push the carrying capacity of their environment? We are slowly reaching our stationery phase, but we as humans can't accept that in our ever so futile effort to expand carrying capacity -- perhaps a bane of our increased cognitive capacity. We have deviated from simple survival and reproduction. In that sense, I can identify with the Unabomber Manifesto. We are making all this stupid bullshit about sex and attaching stupid emotional meaning to it when it is a natural biological instinct. We are either glamorizing or demonizing violence when it is simply reality (most mammals tend to have some violent instinct or another). We are throwing pissy fits about drugs when drugs have been around since day 1. All this while people try to bitch about how awesome their own little nation is. Thus, I can only refute such conclusions. So basically what I mean is that we are no longer focused on the two most important things: sex and survival (which can be equated to food, water and shelter as well as things like medicine). Why not? Is there some other reason we live? And here we are, back at the very same question I asked before.

I don't mean to bitch and moan, but I see humans as pathetic and therefore I see myself as pathetic. When I cannot accomplish rudimentary tasks, abilities and achievements of humans, I see myself as more pathetic than pathetic and so comes forth my depressed ramblings and rants.

As for humans as individuals. We are capable of violence and even sadism but not all of us not even most of us. Perhaps most men but that doesn't make up even half of humanity. Most peoples psyche does not respond well to violence even if they are initially capable of it. Extreme violence is more and more being proven to be a perversion of human psychology few humans are naturally born with a true capacity for repeated violence or sadism

Perhaps, but I speak out of personal experience; I myself get a strange pleasure (not sexual, but a sort of euphoric rush, almost sheer joy or calmness, especially when I superimpose such images) out of watching beheading/execution videos (i.e Cartel executions, Al Qaeda in Iraq executions, Afghan Taliban style executions, the Russian neo-Nazi execution of the Dagestani and the Tajik). Is it a problem? Not in my eyes. I see it as normal. I also see that every resource we use is another one of our own that does not possess said resource. Now this is how life works, but then why do we monopolize resources? Isn't that ethically "wrong"? Thus I come to the conclusion that true ethics and morals cannot exist without fallacy, and here we are again with said Nihilistic Bullshit.

Your talk seems somewhat depressed, somewhat cyncial somewhat ''bored''. I can't tell which and I can't really be bothered since you seem to be asking for an opinion.

I suppose I fall into all three of those categories. But what can I do? Nothing, nothing at all.

I assume you believe in the whole "Primordial Soup" theory. When lightning struck that conglomeration of carbon, nitrogen, phosphorus, oxygen, et cetera, it created amino acids, which inturn became proteins, which in turn developed into complex cellular structures (the specifics of the jump elude me). So Existence really is, in the beginning, a response to a stimuli. Granted, not a concious, or even remotely somatic response, but a response nonetheless.

That's more of a chemical reaction than response to stimuli.

Simple organics (NH3, HCN, H3PO4, CO2, H2O, etc) + burst of energy (radiation, etc) --> basic monomeric molecules (the most basic amino acid is glycine) --> (-H2O, dehydration) polymers (polypeptides, lipids) ---> macromolecules (bilayers, nucleic acids, functional proteins) --> structures (membranes come from stuff like micelles, etc)

It's 8 AM I've run amock and caffein hungry.. I doubt I convinced you of anything but maybe you'll try to think more to me it seems like your philosophy is shaped by one-sided experience and a narrow view.

Ah perhaps it is, but I feel I've looked at every side, and every side seems to have some imperfection, some major flaw. I then came to the conclusion (notice I use that word a lot) that truth does not exist.

[Slytherin_Prince]

Our purpose is to glorify God throughout our physical lives for all He has done for us. For those of you who feel that He hasn't done anything for you, He actually has. God has sacrificed His own son to take the burden of sin off of us. All He wants in return is a little gratitude. Surprisingly, He loves all of us and wants us all to be with Him forever. God has secured a place in heaven where we will always be safe, loved, and happy. For this reason we should all be thankful for Him and His mercy. He could have looked at us like most humans, and told us we aren't worth his love. However He has an unfailing love for us as His children. He sees the you inside and not only your actions. He may be disappointed in us at times when we stray from Him and sin, but He still loves us. He is always there welcoming us with open arms when we are lost and confused. It is our purpose on this earth to tell others about this love. Not to shove Christianity down others' throats, but to tell them the message of love God has given us. We are to care for other people while on earth and give them the same chance to accept God's love and allow Him to embrace them and care for them forever. I want to give others the same security, comfort, and happiness of God's promise that I have received. Please message me if you have any questions. (: God loves us all (:


Oh please. If you're looking for people to convert to your religion, do it elsewhere. This is just pathetic.

Most sincerely,
Robert.

[botwa]

I thought of that before (about the idea that life has no meaning) and decided that if you're not some kind of genius like Marie Curie (just an example) to contribute something really important to the world then you should live just for pleasure. For anything you consider to be pleasure.
Life is short and you never know when the bus knocks you down so have fun.

If you don't like having fun then don't disturb others while they're having fun.

that's my poor philosophy

[kenoloor]

Oh please. If you're looking for people to convert to your religion, do it elsewhere. This is just pathetic.

Most sincerely,
Robert.
Yes, this.

In response to the OP, I agree with you, as do others, apparently. Life really is pointless. It's not a depressing outlook on life, it's a realistic one. There's no point, and if I'm going to die, I want to do it how I want to.

[Spook]

Scrolling through, I come across the word East Africa. Ah, I don't want to get in a huge worldly discussion about this. lol. But yes, I have seen the world this way for quite a bit now as well. What is our purpose here? I used to want to be famous...to have some sort of purpose...but now it really doesn't matter to me anymore. The world has 7 billion people, all leading relatively similar lives- sleep, eat, work, clean, sleep eat, work, clean- oh and the occasional bathroom break. Then we do it again, and then we make babies- more people to do the same exact thing. This pattern has been going on for thousands- millions, billions of years- and though evolved, it hasn't changed much. We all reach for the same thing- life. And what for? I believe nothing. But we all die in the end anyways.

Oh please. If you're looking for people to convert to your religion, do it elsewhere. This is just pathetic.

Most sincerely,
Robert.

Agreed. God has nothing to do with the way the world is lost right now. If he's up there, then in 2012 maybe the mayans were right and the 7 billion people with no purpose will end.

Okay, wait. That was a bit depressing. I'm only 13 and I want to continue my pointless life. :)

[DismaliciouSx]

I see the world in the exact same way, my friends call me a pessimist, I just think we are seeing reality. Although this reality may be right, in my opinion the goal in life is to achieve happiness and in doing so we go to school to get a good education to get a good job and in the end be happy because of it. I think I majorly contradicted myself here but I hope you understand.

[ShatteredGlass]

Oh please. If you're looking for people to convert to your religion, do it elsewhere. This is just pathetic.

Most sincerely,
Robert.

Khaos14 is right though and just because you think that nothing can exist out of your realm of understanding doesn't make it true. It just makes your wrong. There is a purpose to life and God knows it, the reason so many people are wondering about aimlessly in life feeling as if its "pointless" is because their purpose is in God and they refuse to acknowledge Him. Well He's there, all you have to do is take a step towards Him and He'll take 10 towards you.

[Angel Androgynous]

Khaos14 is right though and just because you think that nothing can exist out of your realm of understanding doesn't make it true. It just makes your wrong. There is a purpose to life and God knows it, the reason so many people are wondering about aimlessly in life feeling as if its "pointless" is because their purpose is in God and they refuse to acknowledge Him. Well He's there, all you have to do is take a step towards Him and He'll take 10 towards you.

Again with the God is 2deep4u statement? Save it for the religion thread, honey. Just because you have faith, doesn't make it true either.

Richik, your view on life is realistic... but as Maxxie said... our purpose is just to... exist! It may be pointless, but you know what? I enjoy living... because it feels good to be alive, and to have all the necessities, and to be able to feel happy. There is no point, but if you think about it that way... there is no point for anything, really. It's just there.

[XxMurderedKissesxX]

We're born alone,and we die alone. Only threw friendship & affection do we create the illusion that one is not forever trapped in their own skin. I think sometimes in the exact same way you do,other times I think everyone has a purpose in which they have to fullfill. As for why suicide and it being "frowned upon" Its because the people that commit suicide are more often then not loved ones,take my sister for example. It hurts everyone around them,as well,when people want to die,its usually because their suffering,whether that be emotionally,mentally or physically. I think its more they want the pain to stop then a death wish,but death is the only way they know how to make said problem end.

[aperson444]

I've been more and more depressed lately, but I've got this all figured out: We have to live life hedonistically, only for pleasure and extending our pleasure. If we don't live to... Survive (which is clear because we create so many social stigmas and deviate so much from standard survival), then why not enjoy existing by doing all the drugs, fucking all the people and just living for pleasure? Then die when we wish, how we wish as if we had full control of our own existence.

Oh and I believe in God or I don't believe in God. I just tend to reject any Judaeo-Christian interpretation of God because I see Christianity and Judaism is severely flawed. I see some good in Islam, but I think Buddhism and Northern Hinduism have the right idea (to live life by a certain set of moral codes not for God, but for humanity).

[TurboDieselBandit]

Khaos14 is right though and just because you think that nothing can exist out of your realm of understanding doesn't make it true. It just makes your wrong. There is a purpose to life and God knows it, the reason so many people are wondering about aimlessly in life feeling as if its "pointless" is because their purpose is in God and they refuse to acknowledge Him. Well He's there, all you have to do is take a step towards Him and He'll take 10 towards you.

My thoughts exactly.
You can choose to believe gravity doesn't exist, but that doesn’t mean the consequences of gravity are negated. Likewise, the consequences of not believing will still condemn you whether you believe or not.

[kenoloor]

You can choose to believe gravity doesn't exist, but that doesn’t mean the consequences of gravity are negated.Likewise, the consequences of not believing will still condemn you whether you believe or not.

Generally, when you're in a thread that falls under the topic of "depression, etc." it's probably somewhat considerate not to say that people are going to be condemned for believing what they want to believe. What is usually done is you state your opinion without telling others they're going to be damned, and then you stop talking. Save the other shit for the religion threads in ROTW.
Also, this reminded me: when I was younger, so from around age 7 until age 13, I was super religious. I prayed every night before bed, and before meals, and talked about God a lot. Around the time that I was 14/15 I started doing more and more research, and reading the Bible, and seeing how much religion didn't work for me. And I actually find myself feeling more of contented regarding life than when I was religious. Not to mention I felt neglected by "God."

[TurboDieselBandit]

Generally, when you're in a thread that falls under the topic of "depression, etc." it's probably somewhat considerate not to say that people are going to be condemned for believing what they want to believe. What is usually done is you state your opinion without telling others they're going to be damned, and then you stop talking. Save the other shit for the religion threads in ROTW.
Also ........ I started doing more and more research, and reading the Bible, and seeing how much religion didn't work for me. And I actually find myself feeling more of contented regarding life than when I was religious. Not to mention I felt neglected by "God."


I'm sorry but to sugar coat the truth for anyone would only be a disservice to them. The world sugar coats the truth which is why people feel no guilt for intentionally sinning because they believe thinks like "After I do this, I'll ask God for forgiveness, he will forgive me and everything will be fine." Which IS true ..... but only to a point; even God will run out of patience. Furthermore, sorry if you don't feel God has a place here in this thread let alone your life, I'm really not trying to seem like some proud religious fanatic who condemns people. But I DO believe God has a rightful place everywhere on our lives, and Yes!, that does include a VT thread under depression. I'm not here to change your mind, or anyone else's, I'm just telling you whats what; what you do with the knowledge is up to you. And THAT .....is how the cookie crumbles. :eek: ;)

[aperson444]

Which God? The Muslim god? The Hindu God(s)? The Greek Gods? Satan?


Too broad. Much too broad. Why can't we all just agree that God is just some metaphysical force rather than some intelligent, sentient being?

[kenoloor]

Which God? The Muslim god? The Hindu God(s)? The Greek Gods? Satan?


Too broad. Much too broad. Why can't we all just agree that God is just some metaphysical force rather than some intelligent, sentient being?

Because some of us don't believe in any metaphysical force either...

[Maxxie]

My thoughts exactly.
You can choose to believe gravity doesn't exist, but that doesn’t mean the consequences of gravity are negated. Likewise, the consequences of not believing will still condemn you whether you believe or not.


Oh, and you can choose to ignore the laws of rationality, but that doesn't mean they're negated. Likewise, the consequences of ignoring it will still make you look like a stuck-up prick.

Oh, and bumping old threads. So sorry. Had to sneak this in here somehow.

[Bath]

[COLOR="Lime"][B][I] The world sugar coats the truth which is why people feel no guilt for intentionally sinning because they believe thinks like "After I do this, I'll ask God for forgiveness, he will forgive me and everything will be fine." Which IS true ..... but only to a point; even God will run out of patience.

I don't believe in God, most likely never will, but even when I did I'd find this stupid. Don't act like you know everything about God.

"even God will run out of patience." Wow. How would you know? God is supposed to be all-forgiving, right?

I don't even know, this just made me all like -.-

[Vegito]

I do agree to a certain extent, why do things i f your going to end up dieing in the end?

I find it all centers itself around a few aspects, Enjoyment, Love, and our most basic instint of survival.

Through our life, as much as we have bad times, maybe 1 day, maybe 1 year, but in the end, you do have some fun, and isnt that what life is about? Live and have fun while you can, there is no guarentee you will be abble to in the afterlife, if there is one. You love your family and freidns, and you want to make the world a better place for them. Even if your in a depression, they might not be, and with love, you want to make them happy, not sad. And in turn, when they are happy, you are happy. Finnaly, our survival instint just latches on, and helps us continue, for all we know, we could be one evolution away from finnaly being the perfect being, uttery perfect. So, unless god, or w/e you belive in decides to obiterate the human race entirely, we shall try to continue on. The humans are not perfect. We can use all the help we can get, and at some poiunt, maybe we will evolve, and finnaly achieve perfect happyness. Weather this has to do with going to heaven, evolving, or just finnaly unlocking our brains true potential, eventually, things, for you, and the human race, will get better.

I used to generally think the same thing, I still do slightly now. I got a good person to help me who I had ha as a liittle kid. I have stopped seeing him, and really, in all truth, excluding general horomone fluxuations, which can cause breif depression, I still experience joy much more than I do depression. Joy is a much stronger feeling than depression, and all you need to do is expreience a little crack of joy for it to break through your depression. Really, the people we love most, are the ones that can make us laugh, when we dont even want to smile.

Do get better, I wish you the best. Do NOT commit suicide, you are a valuable person, as everyone is, even hitler was to an extent. If you think about it correctly, without hitler, we wouldnt have the same tech we do now, nor would we have so many good scientists that came here from germany. Also, for all we know, he might have stopped overpopulation. So really, even the worst people, if you look at them from the right aspect, have done some good.

Good night, and enjoy life :D :) :D :) :D :) :D :)

[Maxxie]

I unfortunately view things this way as well. For example when people are so strict about things, I think to myself "what's the point?" We're all going to die soon anyway...

Soon is relative.

I view death as a long ways a way, and I plan to give it the finger as long as I can. I'm not going to live in this macabre sort of view where death is right around the corner, there's no hope, and nothing means anything because that's just fucking depressing.

Death is a long way off for most of us. Average lifespan of a human being: 70 years. Average lifespan of a VT user: 15 years.

We've yet to live even a quarter of our lives and we're writing off the rest of our lives as "soon"? Seems a bit illogical to me.

[aperson444]

Compared to the universe, we are nothing even at our maximum lifespan. To the universe, even to the geological time scale, 55 years is quicker than the blink of an eye. Earth doesn't matter, nothing really matters. Why are we pushing morals and beliefs down each others' throats? Why are we putting so much value on human life?

[Maxxie]

Compared to the universe, we are nothing even at our maximum lifespan. To the universe, even to the geological time scale, 55 years is quicker than the blink of an eye. Earth doesn't matter, nothing really matters. Why are we pushing morals and beliefs down each others' throats? Why are we putting so much value on human life?

Because even though we are indeed a infinitesimally small part of the universe and it's timestream, this is OUR world. Our perceptions are all That we see. We are the center of our own universes of perception. Why should we reduce ourselves to nothing if, to ourselves, we are EVERYTHING?

[Maxxie]

Oh, and *average age of a VT user.

Not lifespan. Haha :P

[iLoveCookies]

Finally! Someone else who thinks exactly as I do with the same effects!(the second poster). I thought im just depressed and don't give a crap anymore , which is basically true , but yeah