Drug tests required for welfare in florida

[abdheuuuchjc]

Recently in FL they hav passed a law that says if u want welfare u need to take a drug test... I think it's genius cause I don't want tax dollar spent feeding someones drug habits. Your thoughts?

[Bath]

I live in Florida, shit.

I actually don't know. I don't think it's a good idea because addiction is a serious problem, and this makes addicts sound less than human, which isn't fair. Like "HAHA YOU SCREWED UP YOUR LIFE, WE DON'T CARE." You know? It doesn't sit right with me because I know what it's like to be addicted, and I've seen my dad go through it worse. But I know it's a difficult choice and the state didn't decide this overnight, as I'm just contemplating this for a few minutes.

I think there should be an alternative though. Like, maybe find a way to provide rehab or therapy to those who fail the drug tests? I don't know how possible that would be, though. But I can say I wouldn't mind my tax dollars going to help somebody who's going through addiction.

[DerBear]

Well the USA is like that, the dislike giving out too much money in welfare it has its pros and cons but as I have only studied the USA and only visited it breifly once I will not say too much.

We in UK dont do drug tests for simple benfits like Job seekers allownce and we give disablity to people who are choosing to recover from addiction and I support this as its hard to kick addictions and its not fair to not give support.

I think the only con is that they can spend the money we give them on drugs but at the same time they are required to do a medical at any notice while on the disablity benfit so they can be caught and can have it stopped but its unlikely as we support our nation more when it comes to benfits.

Overall the system in florida now in my opinon is slightly flawed as I think everyone deserves chances in life.

[abdheuuuchjc]

Well the USA is like that, the dislike giving out too much money in welfare it has its pros and cons but as I have only studied the USA and only visited it breifly once I will not say too much.

We in UK dont do drug tests for simple benfits like Job seekers allownce and we give disablity to people who are choosing to recover from addiction and I support this as its hard to kick addictions and its not fair to not give support.

I think the only con is that they can spend the money we give them on drugs but at the same time they are required to do a medical at any notice while on the disablity benfit so they can be caught and can have it stopped but its unlikely as we support our nation more when it comes to benfits.

Overall the system in florida now in my opinon is slightly flawed as I think everyone deserves chances in life.That's not the only con think of all the cons of buying drugs were raising gangs power and ruining lives by sponsoring this madness

[Bath]

That's not the only con think of all the cons of buying drugs were raising gangs power and ruining lives by sponsoring this madness

Are you not aware that drug addicts are... ya know, people too? You're talking about them as if they're untamed animals, lol. The focus should be on getting them help, not throwing them to the side of the road.

[DerBear]

That's not the only con think of all the cons of buying drugs were raising gangs power and ruining lives by sponsoring this madness

You are stereotyping too the max not every person who is addicted to a drug is into gang shit sure the drugs may come from gangs but at the end of the day it has been proven that most drug dealers are independent. you need to think more often. they are people too. If you weight out the pros and cons of this situation we help people we save lives if we do nothing then crime rates increase majorly stealing robbery muggings all this comes from people trying to earn money for the drugs we give them a home and stability then we save lives.

Are you not aware that drug addicts are... ya know, people too? You're talking about them as if they're untamed animals, lol. The focus should be on getting them help, not throwing them to the side of the road.

100% + I could not of said this better myself

[abdheuuuchjc]

I'm not saying every addict is a gang member but most drug dealers are in gangs. Yes I know that addicts are people I live with two of them and see the other one yearly.

[Jean Poutine]

Welfare as instituted in modern states is completely stupid. It's basically giving a check for nothing.

You can argue all you want about civil rights and the right to privacy and that addicts are people and have the same rights as us, but I find perfectly acceptable to curtail a right in order to benefit the greater good.

You don't like the pee tests? Get a job. Can't get a job because you're high all the time? Check yourself into rehab. Simple as that. With all the tools modern states give people to right themselves up, it's pretty idiotic to ignore them and moan for bigger checks.

I'd go farther : welfare checks are cut after a year if you're an able-bodied adult that can participate in the workforce. Welfare is meant to be 1) a way to support the disabled and 2) a way to support those who fall on hard times until they right themselves up, not a livelihood.

[abdheuuuchjc]

I think welfare should have major cuts. If ur a single mom with kids sure u can have welfare but there are too many people abusing this system

[DerBear]

Welfare as instituted in modern states is completely stupid. It's basically giving a check for nothing.

You can argue all you want about civil rights and the right to privacy and that addicts are people and have the same rights as us, but I find perfectly acceptable to curtail a right in order to benefit the greater good.

You don't like the pee tests? Get a job. Can't get a job because you're high all the time? Check yourself into rehab. Simple as that. With all the tools modern states give people to right themselves up, it's pretty idiotic to ignore them and moan for bigger checks.

I'd go farther : welfare checks are cut after a year if you're an able-bodied adult that can participate in the workforce. Welfare is meant to be 1) a way to support the disabled and 2) a way to support those who fall on hard times until they right themselves up, not a livelihood.

In the USA you only get 5 years of time on the welfare state anyway for things like unemployment and other things like that. Have I got that wrong?

If I am correct I think the welfare state in the USA needs to be re evaluated to benfit its people best. Taking away or reducing the benifits only makes it worse for the people who need them, sure no life on benfits, but you might as well not work if you are better off on benfits


This is a study I did a few months back before I sat my exam (remember this example is for the UK)

A family of 4 2 audluts 2 kids

If one parents is working while the other stays to look after the kids right with the benfits that everyone is entitled to free rent or house payments free care with the NHS for everyone including adults. free prescriptions no council tax and tax in general is all paid for you. now if you think about it you get a job on the minium wage your talking about £300-£330 if you worked it out your only £10-£15 better off than being on benfits, people will not give up not doing anything if they can get away with this and the truth is many people do stay on benfits because they see it as not worth it and in some respect its the same for the USA

People wont work if it is not going to benfit them in the long run.

[Jean Poutine]

but you might as well not work if you are better off on benfits

Let's stop working and all get on welfare so we can live on the money contributed by...who exactly?

People who work.

Not to mention I'd rather work for a cent an hour rather than to stick in my house lazying the whole day away. What is wrong with you?

People wont work if it is not going to benfit them in the long run.

Yeah so cut their fucking checks herpaderp

[PureReality]

Recently in FL they hav passed a law that says if u want welfare u need to take a drug test... I think it's genius cause I don't want tax dollar spent feeding someones drug habits. Your thoughts?

I completely agree and support this law. Great way to stop feeding someones drug habits, as you say. :yes:

Anyway, I don't really support welfare for people that are just lazy and won't get a job. I understand that it might be difficult to get a job in this economy, but still, who would want to rely on the tax payers money for their full-time income? Lazy scums.

[Cybercode]

I live in Florida, shit.

Hey! I live in FL too.

But I agree with this law though. Honestly I don't know what welfare is (someone please explain.) I guess that makes me ignorant because I have no knowledge in this subject. But I think drug tests are necessary because who knows what they are doing. Anyway, until I learn what welfare is, that is my limited opinion.

[PureReality]

Hey! I live in FL too.

But I agree with this law though. Honestly I don't know what welfare is (someone please explain.) I guess that makes me ignorant because I have no knowledge in this subject. But I think drug tests are necessary because who knows what they are doing. Anyway, until I learn what welfare is, that is my limited opinion.


It is where the state gives struggling families aid & money to help support them, if I'm not mistaken. It can include cash aid, food stamps, health insurance.

[DerBear]

Let's stop working and all get on welfare so we can live on the money contributed by...who exactly?

People who work.

Not to mention I'd rather work for a cent an hour rather than to stick in my house lazying the whole day away. What is wrong with you?



Yeah so cut their fucking checks herpaderp

Maybe I was not clear I do not support the statement I made I was more giving a point rather than supporting it

I am not saying I agree or support in anyway what I have said as I agree I would rather work than ever be on benfits. I would hate to be in my house all day I was not saying me but I know familes who do and I know from my modern studies class where we learned about this

I do not agree with the statment "life on benfits" but I do beleive in giving support to familes who need them but stopping giving benfits does not help in anyway even if you are an addict.

Many people do belive in not working unless they get a good pay and I disagree I would rather people worked for just the same as they get with benfits rather than take money from the goverment.

I do not support what I said I am just saying that it happens and people dont work unless it benfits them long term..you must agree with that as people are lazy. (that was only an example nothing more)

The issue with benfits is "working does not cover the costs of living"

But we are kinda going off topic here

[Jean Poutine]

but stopping giving benfits does not help in anyway

How would it not help? Let's say you're a 20-something receiving checks. You're able-bodied to work and make a living but you don't want to. If I decide to cut your check, what are you going to do? Go homeless or find a job?

The issue with benfits is "working does not cover the costs of living"

You're hilarious.

My mom and I win 11000$ per year together (2000$ under the poverty line) and we have absolutely no problem surviving. We even have some scratch left to go eat out sometimes. Yeah sure, our car's a 2000 Sunfire with 180k on the counter and we can't go on trips. This is peripheral.

Win minimum wage doing a normal work week and I can guar-damn-tee you that you'll have more than enough money to live.

Secret? Discipline. We each take a portion of our meager little pay each time we get our checks and stash it somewhere. We have no debts. We split the bills. We never spend more than we can afford.

People that say working can't cover the costs of living crack me up. My mom's above the retirement age. I'm a student. We both work part-time. Why do we make ends meet and seemingly no one else can?

[DerBear]

How would it not help? Let's say you're a 20-something receiving checks. You're able-bodied to work and make a living but you don't want to. If I decide to cut your check, what are you going to do? Go homeless or find a job?



You're hilarious.

My mom and I win 11000$ per year together (2000$ under the poverty line) and we have absolutely no problem surviving. We even have some scratch left to go eat out sometimes. Yeah sure, our car's a 2000 Sunfire with 180k on the counter and we can't go on trips. This is peripheral.

Win minimum wage doing a normal work week and I can guar-damn-tee you that you'll have more than enough money to live.

Secret? Discipline. We each take a portion of our meager little pay each time we get our checks and stash it somewhere. We have no debts. We split the bills. We never spend more than we can afford.

People that say working can't cover the costs of living crack me up. My mom's above the retirement age. I'm a student. We both work part-time. Why do we make ends meet and seemingly no one else can?

Why do you keep directing it, as if I am in this situation, I am just using what I have learned in modern studies thats all I have no real life experiance being in poverty. But for the large majority can't work for very little as a large % is lazy and I am more than happy to work ( I already do). Its the factor that people are lazy, you get by and you seem happy enough but thats you, not everyone is like you and have the will power to work for the minium wage and as you seem like its just you 2 in the house you get by. Other like familes of 4 probably (just assuming here) cant get by on the minimum wage and maybe only 1 parent can work. You say you combine your wages? if theres only 1 wage of say £300 that is hard and I mean hard for a family of 4 (again just using genaral knowlage and assuming here) so I think that benfits help in this situation. No life on benfits I agree with this. But how does cutting it completely help? What are familes going to do if there benfits get stopped? 1 parent cant work due to looking after the kids and the other is working for min wage it is not going to work out very well. So how does it help by cutting benfits that help familes and single parents as the large majority of people living in poverty are parents and the large majority recive benfits who are in poverty so how does this help?

[supadupahitz]

I'm all for it, as long as a positive test puts you into a rehab program, not just cuts you off.