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TheMatrix
October 4th, 2011, 01:05 AM
So this is the current Lincoln-Douglass Debate topic in the National Forensic League(in the US). And I thought we'd have our very own thread to do it ourselves. So let's try to take sides, be professional, etc etc.
Happy debating! :)

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If justice is to be established, we must protect the rights of animals, I affirm the resolution: "Resolved: Justice requires the recognition of animal rights".

To clarify the debate, I offer the following definitions:

Animal rights is the idea that we give rights to animals.
Morality is the quality of being in accord with standards of right or good conduct.


To further clarify the debate I offer the following observations:
Because we are evaluating whether or not animals have rights, my value is justice, which is a code of conduct that hinges upon rights. Although justice cannot be fully achieved, we must strive to achieve it. Thus, my value criterion is maximizing protection of animal rights to retain justice.

Contention 1: To exclude sentient non-human animals from our moral evaluations/calculations is "Speciesism."

Although you may not realise it, animals are also sentient. For example, when you call your dog, it appears happy. But when you yell or make seemingly malicious movements against it, it cowers away and appears to be sad. It is the same with virtually any sentient animal: whales, cats, etc.

Now you may argue that those animals aren't as intelligent as the average human. But that is irrelevant, as we don't deny the same rights to mentally-challanged people, correct? Therefore, it is only just and proper that we grant the same rights to animals as we do to a mentally challanged person who might have an intelligence level closer to that of an animal.

For this reason, I affirm.

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One of my cases. I left out the good contentions, or else mine will all be taken by other teams and pre-refuted ;)

Sage
October 4th, 2011, 01:09 AM
The well-being of other animals is only important to the point that they can sustain the eco-systems we're dependent upon for us to survive as humans.

huginnmuninn
October 4th, 2011, 06:00 PM
Do you really want rights for all animals or just the larger animals that you dont consider pests? because i get angry when people are advocating animal rights but if a spider or a cockroach comes by them they try to kill it...it makes me sad that specific animals are discriminated against. I would rather all non-human animals be without rights than just certain groups of animals with rights and certain groups without rights.

Amaryllis
October 5th, 2011, 03:19 AM
because i get angry when people are advocating animal rights but if a spider or a cockroach comes by them they try to kill it...
That's because they're not animals.

i would rather all non-human animals be without rights than just certain groups of animals with rights and certain groups without rights.
So you would prefer to live in poverty, be raped and abandoned than for certain groups of people such as yourself to receive better treatment?

Anyway I somewhat agree with you. I think the rights of an animal should definitely be taken into consideration. However, sometimes it is a necessity for us humans to treat animals as we do. I do not think you should torture, encage or kill animals for the heck of it, because it brings you pleasure. But sometimes it is necessary to say, experiment on rats or eat a chicken.

An animal's rights should be protected but only to some extent.

Korashk
October 5th, 2011, 10:45 AM
That's because they're not animals.
http://awesomegifs.com/wp-content/uploads/what-is-this-i-dont-even-john-c-reiley.gif

I'll get back to this topic after class.

Magus
October 5th, 2011, 11:10 AM
because i get angry when people are advocating animal rights but if a spider or a cockroach comes by them they try to kill it.Basically because they are pests. They reproduce rapidly. They are useless to the surrounding ecosystem. Their only purpose is to multiply and multiply. Do they feel pain or suffering?

experiment on rats or eat a chicken.This is simply because they are domestically grown for a certain purpose, I believe. Of course, we have to take that into consideration, because the border between torture and experimenting/killing for food is often blurred and ambiguous.

embers
October 5th, 2011, 11:54 AM
That's because they're not animals.

They are. But otherwise, I think I mostly agree with this post.

Amaryllis
October 5th, 2011, 07:51 PM
Oh! Insects are animals! Sorry. Had a complete blank there. They belong under the animalia kingdom. I was wrong. That was ignorance on my part.(Huginumu what's your name, you get a virtual hug as compensation) Insects are animals.

Experimenting on animals is quite cruel. They did this experiment that cause rats to starve and/or eat themselves. I think that's terrible but... I don't know. They may discover something new and perhaps save a human. But... There is a cutting off point for the rights of an animal. But it is torture and it is cruel.

As for eating animals, we could all be vegetarian but I think that's something we can't possibly expect the entire human race to do. Humans aren't herbivores. We should not waste the food we have. That's what we should do and treat animals with more respect. Not this v

http://civileats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Chicken-factory-farm1.jpg

This, maybe.

http://jacobscove.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/free-range2.jpeg

Of course, that's not exactly possible.

danny7
February 10th, 2012, 07:03 PM
i saw it on the news yesterday, about whale's rights. on NBC news... i think its ridiculous in some cases, like whales?? lol wtf, but dogs, cats, or any house pets should receive rights 2 but not to like punish the owner unlesss its realllyyy bad ting

embers
February 10th, 2012, 07:24 PM
This was bumped by a long-gone bot. :locked: