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ShyGuyInChicago
September 27th, 2011, 07:55 PM
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bronx/pol_on_team_gaga_AfSZDHDNldUBYxVipJ50sM

ALBANY -- Taking a page from Lady Gaga, a Bronx state lawmaker plans to introduce a bill making “bullycide” a felony, The Post has learned.

Sen. Jeff Klein plans to unveil his bill today to stiffen penalties for online bullying and stalking.

Gaga, who sings about acceptance of gays and lesbians, said via Twitter last week that she wants to discuss the growing problem with President Obama following the recent suicide of Jamey Rodemeyer.

The 14-year-old suburban Buffalo boy had complained in a Web video about being taunted online and bullied because he was gay.


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UNLIKELY DUET: Bronx state Sen. Jeff Klein is singing Lady Gaga’s tune, pushing to make “bullycide” a felony.
Klein, a Democrat, cited Jamey’s death and that of Rutgers freshman Tyler Clementi, 18, who jumped off the George Washington Bridge last year after two classmates taped him during a sexual encounter with another man and broadcast it on the Internet.

“Words can kill,” the lawmaker said.

He said his bill would expand second-degree manslaughter to include “bullycide,” or death by cyberbullying, when the perpetrator “intentionally or recklessly causes the victim of such offense to commit suicide.” It would be a Class C felony punishable by up to 15 years in prison.

Klein’s bill would also update third-degree stalking to include cyberbullying, defined as using electronic communications likely to cause fear of harm or emotional distress in someone under 21. That’s a Class A misdemeanor punishable by up to a year.

In his video, Jamey identified Lady Gaga as his idol.

A report by the state Senate’s Independent Democratic Conference, led by Klein, cites National Crime Prevention Council statistics that show cyberbullying affects almost half of all US teens, causing low self-esteem, frustration, shock, depression and anxiety.

The IDC also references an Iowa State University study that last year found 54 percent of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender and allied youths are regular victims of cyberbullying.

Klein said the other IDC members -- Diane Savino (D-SI), David Carlucci (D-Rockland County) and David Valesky (D-Madison County) -- support the bill.

I am not sure how I feel about this; however, I am leaning towards cyberbullying to become a crime because it can be considered a form of harassment, especially if it happens repeatedly.

Jupiter
September 27th, 2011, 08:31 PM
Yeah. No one deserves to be bullied. You don't know their life story.

CaptainObvious
September 27th, 2011, 09:10 PM
i absolutely oppose this bill and am also quite sure it would be found unconstitutional were it passed. kids who kill themselves because of bullying kill themselves, nobody else kills them. tragic as it is, it's their choice and nobody else's.

ShyGuyInChicago
September 28th, 2011, 08:19 PM
i absolutely oppose this bill and am also quite sure it would be found unconstitutional were it passed. kids who kill themselves because of bullying kill themselves, nobody else kills them. tragic as it is, it's their choice and nobody else's.

The punish may be unnecessarily harsh, but maybe overly harsh punishments are the only thing that will get kids to stop bullying.

CaptainObvious
September 28th, 2011, 09:56 PM
The punish may be unnecessarily harsh, but maybe overly harsh punishments are the only thing that will get kids to stop bullying.

it won't prevent bullying, it'll just single out some tiny minority of bullies for somewhat arbitrary and capricious punishment. that doesn't help anyone, and i don't particularly enjoy vengeance as a motivation for making laws.

TheMatrix
September 28th, 2011, 10:18 PM
It'll be a big buzz for a while, and then the press will find something else and it will become yesterday's news.

Skyhawk
September 28th, 2011, 10:35 PM
i absolutely oppose this bill and am also quite sure it would be found unconstitutional were it passed. kids who kill themselves because of bullying kill themselves, nobody else kills them. tragic as it is, it's their choice and nobody else's.

What do you think should happen about LGBT suicides due to bullying then?

I like the bill, cyberbullying can ruin someone's life. It fucking ruined my life.

Sugaree
September 28th, 2011, 10:40 PM
What do you think should happen about LGBT suicides due to bullying then?

It's no different than a heterosexual being cyberbullied. This is an attitude I absolutely do not get. LGBT suicides are no different than heterosexual suicides. Having all this god damn attention on the issue makes it worse. Yes, it's a bad thing that anyone kills themselves for what ever reason; it's bad when the media has portrayed cyberbullying as an LGBT issue and not an issue that anyone can be affected by. This bill is useless. What's it going to do? How are they going to enforce it? You can't police the internet, even with all the advanced ways law enforcement can find people. They'll catch a few people, maybe 10 or 12 tops, and nothing more. The bill has good intentions, but there's no possible way to enforce it. What are you going to have the authorities do? Sit and look at every possible web page the internet has to offer looking for someone bullying someone else?

Unique Physique
October 1st, 2011, 09:36 PM
Law is not my area of expertise, but isn't it already technically illegal? Through harassment statutes and malicious use of technology statutes..

i absolutely oppose this bill and am also quite sure it would be found unconstitutional were it passed. kids who kill themselves because of bullying kill themselves, nobody else kills them. tragic as it is, it's their choice and nobody else's.
How would it be unconstitutional, though? There is the right to freedom of speech, which I believe you're referring to, but that right doesn't allow harassment, defamation of character/slander, causing unnecessary alarm/harassment/distress, etc.

Skyhawk
October 1st, 2011, 10:45 PM
Murdoc, I see what you mean there. I was focused on the fact that LGBT teens seems to be the focus of the media lately and I forgot about everyone else, my bad.

Also, the FCC already patrols the phones, cable, radio, why not have them babysit a few trillion webpages? >:P

It's also a bit easy tracking someone down, unless the criminal would be a troll with a proxy. Patrolling YouTube even more would get thousands of people in violation of a cyberbullying law to be punished.

js :/

Sugaree
October 1st, 2011, 11:24 PM
Murdoc, I see what you mean there. I was focused on the fact that LGBT teens seems to be the focus of the media lately and I forgot about everyone else, my bad.

Also, the FCC already patrols the phones, cable, radio, why not have them babysit a few trillion webpages? >:P

It's also a bit easy tracking someone down, unless the criminal would be a troll with a proxy. Patrolling YouTube even more would get thousands of people in violation of a cyberbullying law to be punished.

js :/

Considering it's not that hard for a federal agency to realize that said person is already using a proxy and can find their actual location. It's not all as easy as it seems. Proxies can't hide you.