Porn vs Military

[Cybercode]

The statistics show that if we end the porn industry and take their money, we can end world hunger 3 times over.

We had this discussion in my class today, and the teacher ( open democrat) says he wants the government to cut military funding by 90% and use that money to go towards fixing the debt and getting us out of poverty. I disagree with this and I mentioned the fact that the porn industry makes millions if not billions and I think this money should go towards fixing the debt instead of cutting the military.

What is your opinion. Should we use money from the military or the porn industry to help fix our debt?

[Perseus]

The pron industry isn't funded by the government like the military, so that would be impossible. Military should be cut. Too much money is wasted on it.

[OptimusPrime]

If anything the free trips Obama goes on should be cut unless he really needs to go on one. How many does he go on per year? Like 100+? Look at all the money wasted.

[CaptainObvious]

The statistics show that if we end the porn industry and take their money, we can end world hunger 3 times over.

We had this discussion in my class today, and the teacher ( open democrat) says he wants the government to cut military funding by 90% and use that money to go towards fixing the debt and getting us out of poverty. I disagree with this and I mentioned the fact that the porn industry makes millions if not billions and I think this money should go towards fixing the debt instead of cutting the military.

What is your opinion. Should we use money from the military or the porn industry to help fix our debt?

what? how exactly do you "use" the money from porn? it's a product provided in the free market, you can't legally just take all revenue or even profit. and if you end the industry, it won't be making money any more for you to take, will it?

what are you on about?

If anything the free trips Obama goes on should be cut unless he really needs to go on one. How many does he go on per year? Like 100+? Look at all the money wasted.

not only would this save next to nothing, pretty much every trip the POTUS goes on gives more back to america than it costs. your assertion is absurd.

[OptimusPrime]

not only would this save next to nothing, pretty much every trip the POTUS goes on gives more back to america than it costs. your assertion is absurd.
Not going to argue as I do not belong to his country but same thing applies to the people here. They do nothing but go on holiday's.

[Korashk]

Obviously the military. That 90% your teacher is talking about cutting doesn't even get used for justifiable things anyways. Like the MIC, handouts to ally nations for THEIR defense funding, most (if not all) of our current overseas conflicts.

America is not at risk for a military attack, and if you think so, you're an idiot. The most we need to defend ourselves during peacetime is a few submarines (because this is peacetime, our involvements in the middle east can only be considered conflicts of aggression), and a reasonably funded reserve. You can find these things with 10% of the current military budget.

Plus, as others have said, the porn industry isn't government funded.

[Sporadica]

Porn much like prostitution is a right of the people to view possess and produce, I choose to watch porn, I don't choose to have the army bases close to home full of grunts wanting to shoot a Haji

[Cybercode]

America is not at risk for a military attack, and if you think so, you're an idiot.

I guess I'm an idiot then. America is ALWAYS at risk. In fact everyday we are. I'm not paranoid, but I honestly think that 90% is too much. I would say about 40% because if you cut 90% of the military funding, the un-employment rate will go up, thousands of jobs will be cut with it, and of course we would barely have a military, leaving us extremely vulnerable.

[Maverick]

Trillions and trillions have been spent on trying to end world hunger I think its time to realize that throwing more money at the issue isn't really going to solve it.

[Nihilus]

The military should be cut. It does nothing in the big picture but cause pain and a hatred that is directed at the United States. Most Arabic nations outright hate us. The military NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDS to be cut drastically. They haven't out with a massive breakthrough in technology for a long time, so whats the point of giving them billions to be wasted. The government having the troops in Iraq doesn't represent what the people want, and our society GAINS NOTHING by waging undeclared wars. Techniquely we are not in war, because congress hasn't declared war, but in reality we are at war. The military shouldn't be as big it is; it's bigger than all other nations combined. That clearly tells me that something is wrong here.

[anonymous53]

Honestly, I think nothing should be done about world hunger. Yes I think government spending needs to be cut, but let's face it. America needs to stop trying to be the policemen of the world. We need to fix our stuff, before we can even hope of helping other people. As harsh as it sounds.

[mike3_1]

I guess I'm an idiot then. America is ALWAYS at risk. In fact everyday we are. I'm not paranoid, but I honestly think that 90% is too much. I would say about 40% because if you cut 90% of the military funding, the un-employment rate will go up, thousands of jobs will be cut with it, and of course we would barely have a military, leaving us extremely vulnerable.

I disagree with you big time on this. In fact, the military should be cut 100%. And the only times we got attacked was when Republicans were in office. Both during Pearl Harbor AND 9/11. But you wouldn't figure that out with that much ignorance.

[CaptainObvious]

our involvements in the middle east can only be considered conflicts of aggression

defending the civilian population of a country from a dictator that openly stated he would find everyone who opposed him "in their homes" and kill them is a conflict of aggression now?

Trillions and trillions have been spent on trying to end world hunger I think its time to realize that throwing more money at the issue isn't really going to solve it.

throwing more money at it won't solve it on its own, but the fact that a lot has been spent unsuccessfully on a cause doesn't mean that more money isn't necessary.

[Korashk]

I guess I'm an idiot then. America is ALWAYS at risk.
Seriously? America has been attacked exactly ONCE by a foreign nation in the past 200 years (Pearl Harbor). No country is stupid enough to attack the most powerful country in the world, and even if they tried, defense systems are so sophisticated that the attack would be intercepted before it even got anywhere near American soil.

defending the civilian population of a country from a dictator that openly stated he would find everyone who opposed him "in their homes" and kill them is a conflict of aggression now?
Yeah. America can't be the world's police. It's nice to think that Truth, Justice, and the American Way™ can always come out on top, but the fact is, our country is in a lot of shit and we can't fix the world's problems.

Please don't double-post. ~Thomas

[Cybercode]

Seriously? America has been attacked exactly ONCE by a foreign nation in the past 200 years (Pearl Harbor). No country is stupid enough to attack the most powerful country in the world, and even if they tried, defense systems are so sophisticated that the attack would be intercepted before it even got anywhere near American soil.

OK just because we haven't been attacked in 70 years doesn't necessarily mean we are 100% safe from any attack. Like I said we are always at risk. It's just the major stuff we see. The thousands of threats and foil of plots are some stuff we never see. I believe cut the military by 50%, that way we don't have to spend so much money but we have a strong military. It's half and half.

[mike3_1]

OK just because we haven't been attacked in 70 years doesn't necessarily mean we are 100% safe from any attack. Like I said we are always at risk. It's just the major stuff we see. The thousands of threats and foil of plots are some stuff we never see. I believe cut the military by 50%, that way we don't have to spend so much money but we have a strong military. It's half and half.

no no. The military is a giant waste of money, they do nothing but strike fear into the hearts of every person of the world. The military IS the main reason why we get threatened and attacked and hated. They have caused us nothing but trouble since the start of America. Get rid of all the military once and for all. End wars, end the military and we get world peace. And of course the only reason why we have the military is because it's the one way Republicans can spend money and invade nations for no reason what so ever.

[anonymous53]

no no. The military is a giant waste of money, they do nothing but strike fear into the hearts of every person of the world. The military IS the main reason why we get threatened and attacked and hated. They have caused us nothing but trouble since the start of America. Get rid of all the military once and for all. End wars, end the military and we get world peace. And of course the only reason why we have the military is because it's the one way Republicans can spend money and invade nations for no reason what so ever.

Mike. You misinterpret this. Yes, our military is used in bad ways sometimes.

The truth of the matter? America became this "Great country" because 99% of our president's have had the mentality of "If my bat is bigger than yours you won't bother attacking me" Which is true. A military needs to be maintained, mainly as a show of "Hey, we're not screwing around."


And why is this all Republicans fault? Can we stop playing the party game? It's everyone's fault we're in debt. Get used to it, because I know just as well if a Republican gets elected this time you're going to blame the Democrats because "Oh my a republican is trying to fix it"

Let's face it. We can cut the military at most 30%, look at the adverse affects though, many people would lose jobs. Companies would lose the military business, which would lead to more lost jobs.

[Cybercode]

And of course the only reason why we have the military is because it's the one way Republicans can spend money and invade nations for no reason what so ever.

Not completely true. We had a hell of a reason to invade Afghanistan 10 years ago. They were supplying Al-Queda and harboring them, we came in to find those responsible and that's it.

[mike3_1]

Not completely true. We had a hell of a reason to invade Afghanistan 10 years ago. They were supplying Al-Queda and harboring them, we came in to find those responsible and that's it.

if you really wanted to find out who was responsible for 9/11 look in the white house ten years ago. The "man" in the oval office ten years ago was responsible. i think i made my case clear. we don't need the military. end it 100%

[Cybercode]

if you really wanted to find out who was responsible for 9/11 look in the white house ten years ago. The "man" in the oval office ten years ago was responsible. i think i made my case clear. we don't need the military. end it 100%

Are we honestly gonna start with the "Bush's fault conspiracy theory" stuff? If that is your opinion, I respect it. But I disagree with you. Bush wasn't the greatest, but he wasn't the worst. I believe it was indeed Al-Queda and I DO NOT believe it was an inside job. Now can we get back on topic please.

[anonymous53]

if you really wanted to find out who was responsible for 9/11 look in the white house ten years ago. The "man" in the oval office ten years ago was responsible. i think i made my case clear. we don't need the military. end it 100%

Alright, can we have supporting facts on why it was Bush who did it?


Also, a military needs to be maintained for any country to protect itself.

For example Switzerland, which is a very neutral country has maintained a very well trained military.

Britain, has the best *trained* military in the world. Not the best military, but the best trained military

U.S has the best military, mainly because we throw a bunch of money at it.

Yes, the military CAN be cut, but to say 100% get rid of the military is honestly not a good idea. Every country maintains a military for a reason.

[CaptainObvious]

Yeah. America can't be the world's police. It's nice to think that Truth, Justice, and the American Way™ can always come out on top, but the fact is, our country is in a lot of shit and we can't fix the world's problems.

the fact that you think america ought not to have become involved does not make it a war of aggression. the rebel transitional council has been widely recognized as libya's legitimate government for some time now; how can it possibly be a war of aggression to defend the legitimate government of a nation and its civilians - who had openly requested military intervention and protection - from a genocidal maniac?

come on now man. if that is a war of "aggression" then the term has no useful meaning.

[Amnesiac]

The statistics show that if we end the porn industry and take their money, we can end world hunger 3 times over.

We had this discussion in my class today, and the teacher ( open democrat) says he wants the government to cut military funding by 90% and use that money to go towards fixing the debt and getting us out of poverty. I disagree with this and I mentioned the fact that the porn industry makes millions if not billions and I think this money should go towards fixing the debt instead of cutting the military.

What is your opinion. Should we use money from the military or the porn industry to help fix our debt?

Destroying an entire industry and having the government redistribute the wealth from that industry is probably one of the most anti-free market and anti-"American spirit" actions the government could possibly take. The porn industry is an essential component of the entertainment industry, and dismantling it wouldn't produce enough money to do any of the things you mentioned. Also, it would be a gross overuse of government power and akin to socialist values.

If anything the free trips Obama goes on should be cut unless he really needs to go on one. How many does he go on per year? Like 100+? Look at all the money wasted.

Those mean nothing.

I guess I'm an idiot then. America is ALWAYS at risk. In fact everyday we are. I'm not paranoid, but I honestly think that 90% is too much. I would say about 40% because if you cut 90% of the military funding, the un-employment rate will go up, thousands of jobs will be cut with it, and of course we would barely have a military, leaving us extremely vulnerable.

The military should be cut so that it only has the resources to defend the mainland and overseas territories of the United States, and nothing more. We should pull our bases out of every foreign country. We should end these absurd military technology programs that Congress spends billions upon billions of dollars on annually (NASA is the one exception). Foreign aid should be ended, period. The U.S. should pull out of Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan.

The U.S. military should take the position of the Australian military and keep itself at a reasonable size that provides ample defense for a country of its size. We don't need flashy shit. I don't know how much of the military's budget is spent on bullshit, but it's probably a sizable amount.

Not completely true. We had a hell of a reason to invade Afghanistan 10 years ago. They were supplying Al-Queda and harboring them, we came in to find those responsible and that's it.

Except we haven't, and Al-Qaeda doesn't have a presence in Afghanistan anymore. It's been 10 years and we're spending $5 billion a month there. Invading Afghanistan was a pointless exercise that's created a clusterfuck of issues.

[Korashk]

the fact that you think america ought not to have become involved does not make it a war of aggression.
True, the fact that America is participating despite never having been attacked or legitimately threatened makes it a war of aggression, at least on our part. You're speaking to a non-interventionist.

[CaptainObvious]

True, the fact that America is participating despite never having been attacked or legitimately threatened makes it a war of aggression, at least on our part. You're speaking to a non-interventionist.

ok, so now we're going with my second option. you're using the word aggression incorrectly. the term you're looking for is unnecessary.

[Korashk]

ok, so now we're going with my second option. you're using the word aggression incorrectly. the term you're looking for is unnecessary.
I think I'm using the word just fine.

Aggression: (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aggression)
1
: a forceful action or procedure (as an unprovoked attack) especially when intended to dominate or master
2
: the practice of making attacks or encroachments; especially : unprovoked violation by one country of the territorial integrity of another

[DerBear]

The pron industry isn't funded by the government like the military, so that would be impossible. Military should be cut. Too much money is wasted on it.

Perseus is right porn is not funded by the goverment but again milatry should stay the smae so therfore I picked neither

[embers]

Your military needs cutting. Pull the hell out of random places you don't even need to be in and you might just find more than a shit ton of money at your disposal.

[Cybercode]

I want you guys to take a look at this. So we are not at threat of another attack?

http://news.yahoo.com/iran-says-could-deploy-navy-near-u-coast-152914655.html

[mike3_1]

I want you guys to take a look at this. So we are not at threat of another attack?

http://news.yahoo.com/iran-says-could-deploy-navy-near-u-coast-152914655.html

Yahoo is biased and run by ignorant republicans. Therefore, I we didn't have a military, we wouldn't have this problem.

[Korashk]

I want you guys to take a look at this. So we are not at threat of another attack?

http://news.yahoo.com/iran-says-could-deploy-navy-near-u-coast-152914655.html
It's not like we have an extensive missile defense system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-Based_Midcourse_Defense) in place to stop them, giving us time to retaliate in kind, or the most powerful navy in the world (http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=United-States-of-America) to counter a sea based attack or anything. Maybe we should be worried.

Nobody (except that one guy) is saying to get rid of the military. Just drastically reduce its funding. We can keep the missile defense system and active navy.

[mike3_1]

Nobody (except that one guy) is saying to get rid of the military. Just drastically reduce its funding. We can keep the missile defense system and active navy.

Well if you think about it, why do we still need any of the military. All we do is

A) Waste that money
B) Start un-needed and un-necessary wars (Bush - 9/11)
c) Strike fear into the hearts of every citizen of this planet.
D) Intimidate other military.

America has been safe since Obama was elected into office.

[Perseus]

Well if you think about it, why do we still need any of the military. All we do is

A) Waste that money
B) Start un-needed and un-necessary wars (Bush - 9/11)
c) Strike fear into the hearts of every citizen of this planet.
D) Intimidate other military.

America has been safe since Obama was elected into office.
You need to get out of your ignorant bubble and realize that getting rid of the military is the dumbest thing to do. This is not some idealistic wold where everyone will be happy. If a nation, like Iran for instance, sees that we get rid of our military, they would jump on that and invade us. We need a military to protect our country because things can occur, and there are nations that would revel in the thought of us having no military so they can invade us.

[huginnmuninn]

I disagree with you big time on this. In fact, the military should be cut 100%. And the only times we got attacked was when Republicans were in office. Both during Pearl Harbor AND 9/11. But you wouldn't figure that out with that much ignorance.

are you really blaming what happened at Pearl Harbor on the republicans because thats the most ignorant thing ive ever heard. the Axis powers wanted to take over the world do you really think a difference in political party would have stopped them?

no no. The military is a giant waste of money, they do nothing but strike fear into the hearts of every person of the world. The military IS the main reason why we get threatened and attacked and hated. They have caused us nothing but trouble since the start of America. Get rid of all the military once and for all. End wars, end the military and we get world peace. And of course the only reason why we have the military is because it's the one way Republicans can spend money and invade nations for no reason what so ever.

Our military was the start of America and in the begining even though we were our own nation we still were still having to defend ourselves against other nations. America wouldnt have lasted 10 minutes without a military we would have been taken over by several other nations in the begining.

[Simon.]

Our military was the start of America and in the begining even though we were our own nation we still were still having to defend ourselves against other nations. America wouldnt have lasted 10 minutes without a military we would have been taken over by several other nations in the begining.

You really need to brush up on your history. America was owned and founded by British, french and spanish empires.

[CaptainObvious]

I think I'm using the word just fine.

Aggression: (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aggression)
1
: a forceful action or procedure (as an unprovoked attack) especially when intended to dominate or master
2
: the practice of making attacks or encroachments; especially : unprovoked violation by one country of the territorial integrity of another

neither of those definitions applies so yeah, you're using it incorrectly. the war in libya is neither unprovoked (the rtc requested military aid), nor is it intended to dominate and master, nor is it an attack, but rather a defense. so yeah, definitely incorrect.

[huginnmuninn]

Well if you think about it, why do we still need any of the military.
because some coutries dont like america? seems like a good enough reason to keep it for me...


All we do is

A) Waste that money
B) Start un-needed and un-necessary wars (Bush - 9/11)
c) Strike fear into the hearts of every citizen of this planet.
D) Intimidate other military .

A) its not all wasted money
B) Um i dont think 9/11 was a war it was a terrorist attack. and what Bush started wasnt a war it was a conflict(if you wanna get technical because only congress can declare war). and Bush probably did the best thing he could because if he just let it happen and didnt retaliate he would probably have been branded a traitor.
C) no i seriously doubt that i dont think the majority of americans are fearful of the military and i think that mostly the people who are afraid of our military are the people who we are at war with so that doesnt really matter. Honestly i think you just made this up which you did sooooo.... lets move on
D) And is this a big deal? it keeps other countries from attacking america and that makes US citizens safer. I dont see any problem with this.

America has been safe since Obama was elected into office.
You mean america hasnt been attacked by any other nation since Obama got elected into office? No country is ever "safe" in our world its a sad truth but every country can be attacked internally and externally and so America is not safe. A lot of people dont like america which means its not safe.

[Unique Physique]

Cutting your (the U.S.) military doesn't sound like a bad solution.

And you can't just "take" money out of the porn industry, or any other non-gov industry for several reasons.

You can't just "get rid" of the military because every country is entitled to professional self-defence, but I do think the U.S. military is grossly big and somewhat unnecessary. Too many people are paranoid about an invasion from a place like Iran which would quite frankly never happen, even if the U.S. military was a mere defence force. The U.S. is a massive country, 3rd or 4th largest in the world, which is bordered to the north and south by two other large countries. Apart from Mexico and Canada, the latter of which the U.S. is generally on very good terms with and every other country is way too far from the mainland of the U.S. and you lot have the Constitutional right to bear arms, I believe around 40 million+ Americans legally owns a firearm. I'd wager that no country could successfully invade and occupy the U.S. - least of all, a poxy country like.. Iran and you're just being stupid if you think terrorist groups like Al-Queda have the money, manpower or organisation to do anything drastic. I've always believed that terrorism is best fought by domestic measures - not running off thousands of miles away to get revenge or "disrupt" them, when they just reform a few days later.

But I digress, the U.S. military isn't really about the defence of country and interests but tangling with the foreign affairs of other countries. Spreading "freedom".. wherever the 'States has a less altruistic interest, that is.

[aperson444]

You can't take money from any one industry. By doing that you will create a dangerous black market for porn. Cutting military is a stupid idea. We should instead change our military DOCTRINE. That means we can cut back on offensive technology and foreign intelligence and focus on defensive technology and domestic intelligence (which is much cheaper). 9/11 happened because the Reagan administration was too pussy about Communism to stay out of Afghanistan. Even though the muj had nothing in common with the US, we funneled millions of dollars into the hands of radical Islamists. Had we focused on our own region, we might have avoided giving the muj the push to start Al Qaeda and Taliban-like groups. Frankly, I think America deserves to get invaded by Iran. All we ever do is try to shove our way down the throats of the opposition. We get bit in the ass by that.

[Jenna.]

Honestly, I think nothing should be done about world hunger. Yes I think government spending needs to be cut, but let's face it. America needs to stop trying to be the policemen of the world. We need to fix our stuff, before we can even hope of helping other people. As harsh as it sounds.

^ Agreed, I think we should worry about all of the issues in our own country first.

[HaydenM]

Back to the OP's question, you cannot touch the porn industries money. Its like saying I will take all the money from Apple and Microsoft. It's their money that they have earnt through legal practices.