Religion is bull shit RANT!!

[Wicked_Syn]

I am going to put this out now, I do not believe in religion, god or any of that. So go ahead and flame at me right now so we can save our breaths.

NOW lets try and have a conversation like civilized people without bashing people to much here based on their opinions?

One of my biggest issues with religion, God, Jesus and such is all the morals and "rules" written in holy books and all the dumb "sins" out there [ Abortion, afraid of people or circumstances, afraid to confess Jesus to people, angry with your brother, masturbation, bitterness, wearing the clothing of the opposite sex, complaining about hardships, and many more!]

If God or Jesus came up with these sins, they are hypocrites. Because I'm sure [if God was a real person] he masturbated before, or he has felt bitterness in his life, complained about things before. That is human nature!!!

And come on, the sin "afraid to confess Jesus to people" is basically implying that if you don't tell people who rules your life and who is your boss and shit, then your a bad person, your going to hell.

And the sin about abortion is complete BULL SHIT. There are people in life, who can not support a baby. No child deserves to suffer in pain or deserve to not eat or have a shelter. Some mothers will abort their baby because ultimately, she is giving her a baby a better life, by not bringing it into a situation that is unfit for the baby. I DO NOT feel the same for a teenage girl who goes to a high school party, gets drunk and fucks some random guy though. She deserves what she gets for being an idiot.

The sin "complaining about hardships" makes me laugh. Yeah, there are whiners in the world, but there are people, especially in this economy today, who have all the reason to complain about their hardships. There's mother and father's out there who don't have a job and are losing their house right now or lost their job and have no way to support themselves. Are they bad people for that? NO!

Another sin...."wearing the clothing of the opposite sex" pisses me off. I myself, am comfortable in my own body, being a male and having a penis. But there are people out there who feel trapped in their own bodies. They can't help what their true inner soul is. If a male wears a females clothing TO MAKE THEMSELVES FEEL BETTER ABOUT THEMSELVES, what's the issue? Who are they hurting? No one! Can't we let people be?

ANYWAY, I'm gonna stop this here. I'm kinda tired and I'll be looking forward to reading your peoples responses later!

[Bath]

NOW lets try and have a conversation like civilized people without bashing people to much here based on their opinions?

all the dumb "sins" out there [ Abortion, afraid of people or circumstances, afraid to confess Jesus to people, angry with your brother, masturbation, bitterness, wearing the clothing of the opposite sex, complaining about hardships, and many more!]



You just bashed with the word "dumb".
And those aren't sins. The 7 sins are wrath, sloth, gluttony, lust, envy, pride, and greed. Those things you just listed are interpretations about what is 'wrong' from the Bible.


If God or Jesus came up with these sins, they are hypocrites. Because I'm sure [if God was a real person] he masturbated before, or he has felt bitterness in his life, complained about things before. That is human nature!!!



In the Christian religion, God has never masturbated before. God is "perfect". Humans are imperfect. The temptation to masturbate is just like the temptation to murder somebody. You have to "resist" it.


And come on, the sin "afraid to confess Jesus to people" is basically implying that if you don't tell people who rules your life and who is your boss and shit, then your a bad person, your going to hell.

And the sin about abortion is complete BULL SHIT. There are people in life, who can not support a baby. No child deserves to suffer in pain or deserve to not eat or have a shelter. Some mothers will abort their baby because ultimately, she is giving her a baby a better life, by not bringing it into a situation that is unfit for the baby. I DO NOT feel the same for a teenage girl who goes to a high school party, gets drunk and fucks some random guy though. She deserves what she gets for being an idiot.


Once again, not sins. Part of sins, maybe, but not actual sins themselves. And people who are Christians, think that God gave them the baby and will help them out. And that's kind of sad that you think from "being an idiot", that's what she gets. No. She's still a woman and gets to decide for herself, making a mistake does not make her any less of a person, btw.


The sin "complaining about hardships" makes me laugh. Yeah, there are whiners in the world, but there are people, especially in this economy today, who have all the reason to complain about their hardships. There's mother and father's out there who don't have a job and are losing their house right now or lost their job and have no way to support themselves. Are they bad people for that? NO!

Another sin...."wearing the clothing of the opposite sex" pisses me off. I myself, am comfortable in my own body, being a male and having a penis. But there are people out there who feel trapped in their own bodies. They can't help what their true inner soul is. If a male wears a females clothing TO MAKE THEMSELVES FEEL BETTER ABOUT THEMSELVES, what's the issue? Who are they hurting? No one! Can't we let people be?


Not sins. And according to Christians, wearing the opposite clothing is bad because God makes no "mistakes" and you should not be in the wrong body.

I'm an Atheist, btw, just giving you a different perspective.

[Genghis Khan]

jheez man :/ I know they're idiots but you don't have to call them Christians.


badumbump *tsst*

[User Deleted]

One of my biggest issues with religion, God, Jesus and such is all the morals and "rules" written in holy books and all the dumb "sins" out there [ Abortion, afraid of people or circumstances, afraid to confess Jesus to people, angry with your brother, masturbation, bitterness, wearing the clothing of the opposite sex, complaining about hardships, and many more!

Yup, the ten commandants is the biggest reason I started thinking about why I believed in god.

If God or Jesus came up with these sins, they are hypocrites. Because I'm sure [if God was a real person] he masturbated before, or he has felt bitterness in his life, complained about things before. That is human nature!!!

And where do you find perfection? In stories of fiction.

And come on, the sin "afraid to confess Jesus to people" is basically implying that if you don't tell people who rules your life and who is your boss and shit, then your a bad person, your going to hell.

I hate how they say you have to bow your head and shit to pray. If god hears all your thoughts, then why wouldn't he just help you when you think to ask.

Oh I remember people telling me this one. Main reason #2 I quit believing in god.

And the sin about abortion is complete BULL SHIT. There are people in life, who can not support a baby. No child deserves to suffer in pain or deserve to not eat or have a shelter. Some mothers will abort their baby because ultimately, she is giving her a baby a better life, by not bringing it into a situation that is unfit for the baby. I DO NOT feel the same for a teenage girl who goes to a high school party, gets drunk and fucks some random guy though. She deserves what she gets for being an idiot.

This one is the most made up one there is. No need to say more.

The sin "complaining about hardships" makes me laugh. Yeah, there are whiners in the world, but there are people, especially in this economy today, who have all the reason to complain about their hardships. There's mother and father's out there who don't have a job and are losing their house right now or lost their job and have no way to support themselves. Are they bad people for that? NO!

And sometimes people just have to vent as well.

Another sin...."wearing the clothing of the opposite sex" pisses me off. I myself, am comfortable in my own body, being a male and having a penis. But there are people out there who feel trapped in their own bodies. They can't help what their true inner soul is. If a male wears a females clothing TO MAKE THEMSELVES FEEL BETTER ABOUT THEMSELVES, what's the issue? Who are they hurting? No one! Can't we let people be?

This reminds me of the "god hates furries"

If god was real he wouldn't hate for clothing.

[Amaryllis]

NOW lets try and have a conversation like civilized people without bashing people to much here based on their opinions?
Uh.... You must have a very odd definition of bashing because you seem to be doing a lot of it. Religion is "bullshit"?


One of my biggest issues with religion, God, Jesus and such is all the morals and "rules" written in holy books and all the dumb "sins" out there [ Abortion, afraid of people or circumstances, afraid to confess Jesus to people, angry with your brother, masturbation, bitterness, wearing the clothing of the opposite sex, complaining about hardships, and many more!]

If God or Jesus came up with these sins, they are hypocrites. Because I'm sure he masturbated before, or he has felt bitterness in his life, complained about things before. That is human nature!!!

He's not human.


And the sin about abortion is complete BULL SHIT. There are people in life, who can not support a baby. No child deserves to suffer in pain or deserve to not eat or have a shelter. Some mothers will abort their baby because ultimately, she is giving her a baby a better life, by not bringing it into a situation that is unfit for the baby. I DO NOT feel the same for a teenage girl who goes to a high school party, gets drunk and fucks some random guy though. She deserves what she gets for being an idiot.

And what does the guy who fucked her deserve?

[I]Anyway...

I don't completely disagree with you on the most part. However, arrogance and hypocrisy are two traits that are highly unlikely to lead you to success. Perhaps if you sounded a bit more sensible and unbiased, your argument would receive a better response. Oh, one important pointer.

You speak of christianity as if it were the only religion in the world.

[Wicked_Syn]

And what does the guy who fucked her deserve?



Truth to that. I kind of got carried away last night when I was typing this, as I was really tired.

I used a bad example with the whole abortion thing. No female deserves to be put into a situation like that. Even if they are whoring themselves around or whatever the case is. And the guy that is involved needs to have some responsibility and be a man. Only in a perfect world though



You speak of christianity as if it were the only religion in the world.

Like I said last night, I was tired when I wrote this, so I wrote without thinking about what I was really saying. Only reason why I ended up picking on Christianity is because it's the most familiar religion to me and I used to be a christian when I was a little kid.

[Jess]

I so understand what you mean. the parts in the Bible that anger and disgust me the most are

1. If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

2. If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife. (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

and also how women can't wear men's clothing and vice versa. and how you shouldn't be working on the Sabbath day. and how you have to kill your friends/family/neighbor if they worship another god or don't believe in God.

and

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

and there are so many freaking contradictions in the Bible as well.



AND


But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)


I could go on and on! I used to go to a Lutheran Church. now I just learned about the Bible and all that stuff, my family and I and the people that went to church weren't strict Christians. after a while I began to question the existence of God. after a while I completely quit believing in God.


edit: don't forget God also approved of slavery

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

[StoppingTime]

I am going to put this out now, I do not believe in religion, god or any of that. So go ahead and flame at me right now so we can save our breaths.

NOW lets try and have a conversation like civilized people without bashing people to much here based on their opinions?

Name of post "religious bullshit rant. Civilized? hmmmmmm

One of my biggest issues with religion, God, Jesus and such is all the morals and "rules" written in holy books and all the dumb "sins" out there [ Abortion, afraid of people or circumstances, afraid to confess Jesus to people, angry with your brother, masturbation, bitterness, wearing the clothing of the opposite sex, complaining about hardships, and many more!]

Abortion is not a sin in all religions. And how come you know whether a sin is dumb or not? How could you know?



If God or Jesus came up with these sins, they are hypocrites. Because I'm sure [if God was a real person] he masturbated before, or he has felt bitterness in his life, complained about things before. That is human nature!!!

You cannot call God a person. It doesn't work. God isn't a physical being, so this statement makes no sense. I dont believe in Jesus, so I cant comment there. And, show me where it says you cant complain in the Bible. Also, it is human nature, but it is supposed to be controlled.



The sin "complaining about hardships" makes me laugh. Yeah, there are whiners in the world, but there are people, especially in this economy today, who have all the reason to complain about their hardships. There's mother and father's out there who don't have a job and are losing their house right now or lost their job and have no way to support themselves. Are they bad people for that? NO!

Again, please quote this for me.



ANYWAY, I'm gonna stop this here. I'm kinda tired and I'll be looking forward to reading your peoples responses later!

And if you were tired, why didnt you edit it?


I so understand what you mean. the parts in the Bible that anger and disgust me the most are

1. If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

You can't take every word of the Bible by the translation only. When it was originally taught, it was understood completely. Now, we are not able to understand it in the same way, so straight translations are useless.

[embers]

You can't take every word of the Bible by the translation only. When it was originally taught, it was understood completely. Now, we are not able to understand it in the same way, so straight translations are useless.

Bullshit. This is just another argument - much like 'Old Testament, doesn't count' - used to deny the fact that, whether or not he is now, God was quite a miserable bastard.

[StoppingTime]

Bullshit. This is just another argument - much like 'Old Testament, doesn't count' - used to deny the fact that, whether or not he is now, God was quite a miserable bastard.

Never heard the Old Testament doesnt count thing( I'm Jewish BTW)
There are reasons that we have commentators on the Bible.

[Simon.]

We live with god around us, silly atheist. I have passion for God. I Win.

[Angel Androgynous]

We live with god around us, silly atheist. I have passion for God. I Win.

Lolwut.
Proof plz.
Passion for some being in the sky doesn't make you win....
In fact, it makes YOU look silly.

[Jupiter]

So, why can't everybody just not worry about each other. Goodness.. Christians act like if other people aren't christian, they should be shunned..

[Jess]

We live with god around us, silly atheist. I have passion for God. I Win.

how did you win? did you see God? did God talk to you?

[Jupiter]

Seriously, it's religion. I think, on my opinion, it is very wrong for atheists to try to convert people away from their religion. Yeah, real mature.

[Angel Androgynous]

Seriously, it's religion. I think, on my opinion, it is very wrong for atheists to try to convert people away from their religion. Yeah, real mature.

And it's very mature for religious people to try and convert people to their religion! :D Har har har.

[Jess]

And it's very mature for religious people to try and convert people to their religion?


I was going to say that :D good one

[StoppingTime]

And it's very mature for religious people to try and convert people to their religion?

Both of you are correct. Nobody should force their beliefs unto another for any reason.

wrong for atheists to try to convert people away from their religion.

[Cybercode]

I'm a Christian because of the environment I was raised in. My family, friends, and of course the people in the community. But I was taught to keep an open mind. I agree that Christians or any other religion DO NOT have the right to force stuff down other's throats, and Atheists don't have the right to force anti-God stuff down people's throats. In my opinion, that is going far beyond the freedom of speech. Everybody has the right of free speech and practice of religion ( or not) but they cross the line when the bash others for their beliefs or force their beliefs down other's throats.

That being said, just because I'm a Christian doesn't mean I am "too ignorant" to learn and love science. In fact I love science. I love anything about space and computers. I love sci-fi books and films. I believe science is my passion. And if you look back in history, some of the greatest scientists in history were very religious. Take Galileo Galilei for example. In fact, I see myself following his footsteps.

In conclusion, everybody has right to free speech, even as much as I can't stand the OP's "Religion is bulls***" I respect them and their views. And just because someone is religious doesn't mean they can't have a love for science, mathematics, and logic.

[Jess]

I'm a Christian because of the environment I was raised in. My family, friends, and of course the people in the community. But I was taught to keep an open mind. I agree that Christians or any other religion DO NOT have the right to force stuff down other's throats, and Atheists don't have the right to force anti-God stuff down people's throats. In my opinion, that is going far beyond the freedom of speech. Everybody has the right of free speech and practice of religion ( or not) but they cross the line when the bash others for their beliefs or force their beliefs down other's throats.

That being said, just because I'm a Christian doesn't mean I am "too ignorant" to learn and love science. In fact I love science. I love anything about space and computers. I love sci-fi books and films. I believe science is my passion. And if you look back in history, some of the greatest scientists in history were very religious. Take Galileo Galilei for example. In fact, I see myself following his footsteps.

In conclusion, everybody has right to free speech, even as much as I can't stand the OP's "Religion is bulls***" I respect them and their views. And just because someone is religious doesn't mean they can't have a love for science, mathematics, and logic.

yes you are so right. it's just that there are so many extreme Christians that are giving Christians like you a bad name. I know there are Christians just like you that love science. it's the bible-thumpers you know....

[Jupiter]

And it's very mature for religious people to try and convert people to their religion! :D Har har har.

I never said that I do that.

[Jess]

she never said you do that. it's the religious people that DO do it

[Angel Androgynous]

I never said that I do that.

My point pretty much was, why did you only mention atheists?

[Sugaree]

We live with god around us, silly atheist. I have passion for God. I Win.

"Silly atheist". Oh yes, very mature. How Christian of you to be tolerant of others and their beliefs. Because, yknow, not like Christ talked about that during his time on Earth. Also, God isn't around us in the sense of him being in everything. God - and any god by that nature - is "infinite", meaning he's not in everything like trees and water. A god is like our mind - it just goes on and on without a beginning or end. Is it that hard of a concept to grasp? And no, you haven't won. You've just started a debate, don't get so damn cocky.

Seriously, it's religion. I think, on my opinion, it is very wrong for atheists to try to convert people away from their religion. Yeah, real mature.

And it's wrong for people of other religions trying to convert atheists and people who don't believe in their religion. How is an atheist trying to convert a Christian any different than a Christian trying to do the same thing? Intention?

Now, OP, do you feel better? Shitstorm is incoming.

[Amaryllis]

I so understand what you mean. the parts in the Bible that anger and disgust me the most are

1. If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

Huh yeah. Give it to the father. Forget about the girl. Let her be trapped with the man who shamed and violated her. Since it was my father, does that mean he gets 50 pieces of silver PLUS a 15 year old sex slave? Why, that seems completely fair and logical.


2. If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife. (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
Yeah. My husband can fuck whatever woman he wants but I do it I have to be killed. Maybe I didn't tell because it was damn shameful and I didn't want to have my husband hate me? Damn, this bible just gets better and better.


Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
I hit my parents because they tried to kill me. Are kids who are being abused meant to sit around while their parents bash their heads against the wall?

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Why not? To have sex I must marry and do my husband's bidding for in disobeying his wishes I have sinned. All hail men. I am a woman and therefor inferior. May my husband fuck another and may I live to be his whore.


edit: don't forget God also approved of slavery,
the bible is just where people dump all their bad deeds in, never find a why, point their fingers at god and say "He said I could!" and get away with it.


[I] When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

I'll just impale my slave on a stick and leave him there for a day or two.

[macbox84]

To me organize religion makes no sense due to the fact that you have to pray and stuff to a "higher being". It takes away from us being and who we are. We should devote ourselves to us not some made up ghost thing that u "conveniently" can't see or here or touch. Also, following rules to have a way of like doesn't make sense either. We should live our life to how we want to not how some other person wants us to. I do believe though, that the bible is a book of FICTIONAL stories that TEACH A LESSON

[Wicked_Syn]

And if you were tired, why didnt you edit it?

are useless.

Simple, because I made the thread and I don't feel a need to really go back and edit anything



You can't take every word of the Bible by the translation only. When it was originally taught, it was understood completely. Now, we are not able to understand it in the same way, so straight translations are useless.



Obviously I can't take every word for translation from the bible. I actually looked up a bible reference to find the sins [or whatever you want to call them] I wasn't taking the bible completely literal. Taking all of that literally is like using a heroin needle that has been shared between 5 other users - each of their own crap is stuck into the needle.


We live with god around us, silly atheist. I have passion for God. I Win.

What was the point of your post man? Seriously that was a waste of time. You have provided me with no new knowledge or anything. Answer this question for me, how is god around us? And how do you win? Just because you believe in a mystical perception that in plain terms, you are gods hoe?

Christians act like if other people aren't christian, they should be shunned..

Another reason why I quit believing in any of religion. People are entitled to peoples own beliefs. If Christianity shuns you for you for not believing in it, thats absurd. We're allowed to have our own thoughts and beliefs. We do have a brain of our own that doesn't need to be controlled by something that's not necessarily real

Seriously, it's religion. I think, on my opinion, it is very wrong for atheists to try to convert people away from their religion. Yeah, real mature.

Hey buddy, I'm not trying to drive anyone from their comfort zone or beliefs, I'm just looking for answers. Plus some people follow blindly into crap and don't even realize what they are in. It's not right for people of their own religion to shove it down our throats if we don't want to hear it. Reason with this thread was ultimately because I'm curious as why people are so easily manipulated by religion.

I'm a Christian because of the environment I was raised in. My family, friends, and of course the people in the community. But I was taught to keep an open mind. I agree that Christians or any other religion DO NOT have the right to force stuff down other's throats, and Atheists don't have the right to force anti-God stuff down people's throats. In my opinion, that is going far beyond the freedom of speech. Everybody has the right of free speech and practice of religion ( or not) but they cross the line when the bash others for their beliefs or force their beliefs down other's throats.

That being said, just because I'm a Christian doesn't mean I am "too ignorant" to learn and love science. In fact I love science. I love anything about space and computers. I love sci-fi books and films. I believe science is my passion. And if you look back in history, some of the greatest scientists in history were very religious. Take Galileo Galilei for example. In fact, I see myself following his footsteps.

In conclusion, everybody has right to free speech, even as much as I can't stand the OP's "Religion is bulls***" I respect them and their views. And just because someone is religious doesn't mean they can't have a love for science, mathematics, and logic.

I highly respect you for this. In my opinion, there's two sides to religion. The good side - where people are able to explore their inner being and figure out whatever it is that works for them and what is intriguing to them, whether is be an interest in God, Jesus, or Satin. It's their beliefs and thoughts. And then there is the dark side, where people from a religion are out there spreading propaganda and hate that's just not neccessary. Religion is like a penis if you really think about it. "it's fine to have one, and find to be proud of it, but you don't go shoving it down peoples throats"

And to the original title, sorry. Like I said I was tired and I obviously can't edit it right now.



Now, OP, do you feel better? Shitstorm is incoming.



Yup I do, this is the debate area I presume, I can talk about this all day.


To me organize religion makes no sense due to the fact that you have to pray and stuff to a "higher being". It takes away from us being and who we are. We should devote ourselves to us not some made up ghost thing that u "conveniently" can't see or here or touch. Also, following rules to have a way of like doesn't make sense either. We should live our life to how we want to not how some other person wants us to. I do believe though, that the bible is a book of FICTIONAL stories that TEACH A LESSON

And I agree with you. This brings me right back to the sin - or whatever you call it "afraid to confess Jesus to people" It's just dumb. Basically we need to be brainwashed to be good people and being intellectual is bad.

GOOD NIGHT

[Efflorescence]

We should devote ourselves to us not some made up ghost thing that u "conveniently" can't see or here or touch.

contradictory to

We should live our life to how we want to not how some other person wants us to.

This is contradictory. You're saying that everyone should live their lives how they want it not how some other person wants us. And in the same post you say that 'we should ' devote ourselves to us and not to some ghost or whatever. So basically you're telling others 'how to live' and 'what they should do'.

If you're going to let me live my own life, then it should be no of business of yours to tell me to what/whom I should devote my life.

[Jupiter]

My point pretty much was, why did you only mention atheists?

You're right.. that was very bias thinking of me. But, it seems like when you talk about Christians, they are spoken about as a whole.

[mike3_1]

in my opinion, religion is the root of all the ignorance and hatred in the world. i bet if we never had religion, this world would be a happy place.

[Efflorescence]

in my opinion, religion is the root of all the ignorance and hatred in the world. i bet if we never had religion, this world would be a happy place.

Suuuuuuuuuuuure.

[Maxxie]

in my opinion, religion is the root of all the ignorance and hatred in the world. i bet if we never had religion, this world would be a happy place.

Suuuuuuuuuuuure.

Religion isn't the only problem. It's also greed, intolerance, xenophobia, rage, violence, general apathy, fear, death, hatred, uncontrollable use of synonyms to get your point across...

Religion is a problem. But it's not the only problem.

[StoppingTime]

Religion isn't the only problem. It's also greed, intolerance, xenophobia, rage, violence, general apathy, fear, death, hatred, uncontrollable use of synonyms to get your point across...

Religion is a problem. But it's not the only problem.

This. You cant just point one thing you think is a problem, and say without it, there would be none.

[Efflorescence]

Religion isn't the only problem. It's also greed, intolerance, xenophobia, rage, violence, general apathy, fear, death, hatred, uncontrollable use of synonyms to get your point across...

Religion is a problem. But it's not the only problem.

I was being sarcastic when I said 'suuuuuure'. I agree with you here. Without religion, people will still use everything to their advantage and abuse of things that are intended to be used for good. It's the way we are.

[Maxxie]

This. You cant just point one thing you think is a problem, and say without it, there would be none.

Well.... Human Nature. That'd fix basically everything. And turn us into mindless husks.... but....

[Genghis Khan]

i bet if we never had religion, this world would be a happy place.

Uh yeah, no. Religion isn't even as big a problem as some people make it out to be. It can be a problem, but isn't as much as we perceive it to be.

[smartass722]

has anyone ever reiliazed a few religions started with people starvin and dehydrated in desserts and such when they saw "god". ok besides that religions was origionaly created to give reson behind stuff unable to be explained in prehistoric time. and know lets face animals dont beiieve in anything so why do we

i dont mean to affend anyone when sayin this and if anyone already said these facts sorry i got bored of reading

[Kahn]

and know lets face animals dont beiieve in anything so why do we

I'm ignoring the rest of your post because most of it was nonsense, but this stood out.

The reason we believe in a singular God or multiple Gods is because humanity is obsessed with the idea that we are of purpose, and we're obsessed in discovering what that purpose is or what created us. Faith was simply an explanation for this madness we call life. A belief that we were created has existed a millenia back. The Roman's, the Greek's, the Persian's, and the Egyptian's all had beliefs. Sophisticated, too.

There is good reason to have faith in a God, however. Back during the decline of the Roman Empire, it gave people something to believe in. After, it gave them basic guidelines to life and a promising end. The reason this belief has existed so long is because, how could one exist without a purpose? If we were here for nothing, none of this matters, thus leaving us no reason to pursue personal agendas, goals, or dreams. If there is no God, then there is no reason.

I believe that we are simply here. It's not a hard concept for me to grasp anymore. We are a biological miracle. We can continue to try and understand the universe around us and that's about it. Whether it was the folly of our ancestors that left us with this weight around our ankles, or the ignorance of our peers that allow this belief to live on, I'll never know, nor will you.

I'm content that my purpose is to live. Religion will have no effect on my life.

[Amnesiac]

has anyone ever reiliazed a few religions started with people starvin and dehydrated in desserts and such when they saw "god".

That's not how religion started. Religious beliefs have evolved over thousands of years of human civilization, since prehistoric times. While most religions were originally polythestic, monothestic religion rose out of the so-called "Holy Lands" of modern-day Israel, as an alternative to set beliefs at the time. It had nothing to do with starvation and deserts. The religions we know of today came from relatively advanced classical societies with developing philosophical views.

ok besides that religions was origionaly created to give reson behind stuff unable to be explained in prehistoric time. and know lets face animals dont beiieve in anything so why do we

That's not the only reason religion was created. Actually, I would say that the main reason religion came to be is because it provides people with a sense of comfort and solidarity, and it used to give the leaders of empires and other governments opportunity to consolidate their power.

Now, the argument that because "animals don't believe in anything," we shouldn't isn't valid. Animals can't comprehend philosophical concepts. They think on a localized level, and their main objective is to survive, not to pond their origins. They just don't have that ability.

[abdheuuuchjc]

Couldn't agree more! Organized religion is corrupt

[RoseyCadaver]

Organized religion is corrupt,yes,but a lot of things are.I will agree that a lot of religions are controlling,and yes I do agree some people who do follow the bible(or other books) to the exact word are rather eh gullible.

I'm an agnostic,so I'm on the fence with God.What confuses me is when fellow agnostics and atheist act as silly as a lot of theist do when talking about the other side.Not all agnostics or atheist do this,and vise verse with theist.

What confuses me even more is that only the extremist in religions are noticed the most.Yes, I know it's because bad things sell better in media then good,but why can't people see this? People I know use a lot of the negative incidents in religion,never the good.There are a lot of people who are religious who do a lot of good,yet you here about the person killing each other in the name of God.



Yes, religions have their fallacies, but some are meant to do good.I will agree,not all are out their for the best of man,I still think there as long as there are bad ones there will be good.Like many people above have said, religion could just be a sweetener for the sour dessert of life,death.

I really liked this comment ^_^.

I believe that we are simply here. It's not a hard concept for me to grasp anymore. We are a biological miracle.

[abdheuuuchjc]

Relgion also accounts for alot of wars poverty(hobos asking for gods help instead if looking for a job) billions of dollars are spent on relgious propaganda every year. In my opinion every religion is equally riduculas. A man in the sky who grants wishes(christianity) a guy sitting under a tree for twenty years(buddism) a man being spoken to by angels after he walks into a cave(Islam)

[RoseyCadaver]

Relgion also accounts for alot of wars poverty(hobos asking for gods help instead if looking for a job) billions of dollars are spent on relgious propaganda every year.

What?Since when do homeless people not work and instead ask money from God?I've never heard that before, honestly.And what if the man is not religious,what if he is agnostic and still thinks God will help him?

The billions of dollars was given to the church by people,the weren't forced(at least in the countries I'm thinking of).I can't really speak for other countries,but the US doesn't fund any church.They may fund food shelters that may seem to have a certain denomination of worker(be it Catholic to Baptist)but it's not being funded as a Church.

What about the food banks formed by churches,or people Church donations to disasters.

[abdheuuuchjc]

The homeless guy that lives in the alley by my house has a sharpie marker and writes prayers on piece of cardboard. If the money spent on religius groups in Africa was spent on rice for the children there starvation would be reduced drastically. What if all these people who donated to church give the money to charity instead. I would rather have a girl with cancer given a wig then sum church pay a minister

[mrdtf]

god is fake that is all

[Shellygirl]

Here is something to think about that I heard once.

If you say there is no God the only thing you can prove is that you were eternally wrong.
Why?
Because if there is no God or heaven or hell, then when you die you go into nonexistence. If you go into nonexistence you cannot prove you were right.

But if there is a God, heaven, and hell, and you end up in hell for ever, you can prove you were wrong about God for ever and ever and ever.

[Jupiter]

Okay, I feel as though people have really battled this one out on VT. I just think we should over look religion. I mean, when it comes down to it, we are all human, imperfect, wonderful, humans. We all have urges, no matter how old you are, religion, race, etc. Can we all just get along? And bring on the neg rep, but I don't care. Because, to be honest, coexisting is way more important than some rep button is to me. So can we please all grow up, and accept each other for the similarities we have, and not the differences? Thought so. Thanks!

[ShatteredWings]

This thread has more than gone on long enough