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Donkey
September 24th, 2011, 10:13 AM
A meeting at Cern, the world's largest physics lab, has addressed results that suggest subatomic particles have gone faster than the speed of light.

The team presented its work so other scientists can determine if the approach contains any mistakes.

If it does not, one of the pillars of modern science will come tumbling down.

Antonio Ereditato added "words of caution" to his Cern presentation because of the "potentially great impact on physics" of the result.

The speed of light is widely held to be the Universe's ultimate speed limit, and much of modern physics - as laid out in part by Albert Einstein in his theory of special relativity - depends on the idea that nothing can exceed it.

Thousands of experiments have been undertaken to measure it ever more precisely, and no result has ever spotted a particle breaking the limit.

"We tried to find all possible explanations for this," the report's author Antonio Ereditato of the Opera collaboration told BBC News on Thursday evening.

"We wanted to find a mistake - trivial mistakes, more complicated mistakes, or nasty effects - and we didn't.

"When you don't find anything, then you say 'well, now I'm forced to go out and ask the community to scrutinise this'."

Friday's meeting was designed to begin this process, with hopes that other scientists will find inconsistencies in the measurements and, hopefully, repeat the experiment elsewhere.

"Despite the large [statistical] significance of this measurement that you have seen and the stability of the analysis, since it has a potentially great impact on physics, this motivates the continuation of our studies in order to find still-unknown systematic effects," Dr Ereditato told the meeting.

"We look forward to independent measurement from other experiments."

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Neutrinos come in a number of types, and have recently been seen to switch spontaneously from one type to another.

The Cern team prepares a beam of just one type, muon neutrinos, and sends them through the Earth to an underground laboratory at Gran Sasso in Italy to see how many show up as a different type, tau neutrinos.

In the course of doing the experiments, the researchers noticed that the particles showed up 60 billionths of a second earlier than they would have done if they had travelled at the speed of light.

This is a tiny fractional change - just 20 parts in a million - but one that occurs consistently.

The team measured the travel times of neutrino bunches some 16,000 times, and have reached a level of statistical significance that in scientific circles would count as a formal discovery.

But the group understands that what are known as "systematic errors" could easily make an erroneous result look like a breaking of the ultimate speed limit.

That has motivated them to publish their measurements.

"My dream would be that another, independent experiment finds the same thing - then I would be relieved," Dr Ereditato told BBC News.

But for now, he explained, "we are not claiming things, we want just to be helped by the community in understanding our crazy result - because it is crazy".


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15017484

Peace God
September 24th, 2011, 10:34 AM
I think it still might be a mistake, but if not, damn this could be huge.

Epic
September 24th, 2011, 01:15 PM
Oh I read about this on... Well I forgot where I read it lol
Anyway If this is proven again, It could be huge. This could destroy the phisics department.... Wow just to think that light isn't the fastest thing gives me a brainer lol

Jess
September 24th, 2011, 02:04 PM
wow this could be huge if it's again proven that the particle travels faster than light.

Suicune
September 24th, 2011, 09:36 PM
Wow this is really something.

I can't even comprehend the speed of light as it is! >_<

StoppingTime
September 24th, 2011, 09:38 PM
If this is true, Einsteins gonna be pissed :)

Maxxie
September 27th, 2011, 05:41 PM
Interesting... well. This certainly screws up special relativity, doesn't it? Let me go talk to my physics teacher - we can skip the next unit. :D

butty_92
September 28th, 2011, 10:06 AM
I doubt this story has any shred of truth in it.

dead
September 28th, 2011, 10:53 AM
If this is true, Einsteins gonna be pissed :)

I doubt that, he's been proven wrong before.

StoppingTime
September 28th, 2011, 11:02 AM
I doubt that, he's been proven wrong before.

Hes also... you know...
deadish

SosbanFach
September 28th, 2011, 11:08 AM
Hes also... you know...
deadish

A small point.

Anyway, it would be good if this was decided to be true, because it would force scientists to work on new theories, and it would be interesting to see what came up.

Mbishop
September 28th, 2011, 07:15 PM
They detected the neutrinos getting somewhere about .64 nanoseconds sooner than they should have, or so I heard it, with a discrepancy of about .01 nanoseconds. A particle accelerator in Iowa or somewhere is checking CERN's data, so we'll hear about it in a couple of years, maybe. We'll see.

Dabigdtc
October 12th, 2011, 11:23 PM
it is true sense the particals technically are not madder this doesnt break laws of motion

PureReality
October 12th, 2011, 11:40 PM
Potentially groundbreaking news.

Sugaree
October 12th, 2011, 11:41 PM
This is why science isn't about "Why?", it's about "Why not?".

Spook
October 14th, 2011, 09:49 AM
It was also said that they can travel through the earth without touching anything. I agree- Einstein's gonna be pissed. :D haha.

Solvez18
October 24th, 2011, 06:06 AM
if only i understood the problem here............ seems kinda like good news?