Should parents make a child be a certain religion??

[Jakezilla]

I'm wondering. Like, what if the child doesn't want to be that religion, but the parents do. Isn't that what america is about; freedom of religion? :confused:

[EarthToBryan]

I think it is wildly immoral to raise/indoctrinate a child into a religion. They deserve to be able to make the choice after they have reached maturity.

[Triste]

Parents have the right to raise their child into whatever religion they feel they should be in. Are you going to ask your child which country they would prefer to live in next? Lol, alright.

[Vonn]

Parents have the right to raise their child into whatever religion they feel they should be in. Are you going to ask your child which country they would prefer to live in next? Lol, alright.

Those two do not relate at all. Try again.

Religion is a personal choice, and no matter what the parents do, the child will eventually believe what they choose. Parents have jobs, kids don't, and that's why they choose where to live. Hammering beliefs into a child is a waste of time, in my opinion. Let them discover their faith on their own.

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Religion is a personal choice, and no matter what the parents do, the child will eventually believe what they choose. Parents have jobs, kids don't, and that's why they choose where to live. Hammering beliefs into a child is a waste of time, in my opinion. Let them discover their faith on their own.


I don't believe in forcing your beliefs on other people but what about families that attend church, do you expect them to get a Sunday nanny?

[Triste]

Those two do not relate at all. Try again.

Religion is a personal choice, and no matter what the parents do, the child will eventually believe what they choose. Parents have jobs, kids don't, and that's why they choose where to live. Hammering beliefs into a child is a waste of time, in my opinion. Let them discover their faith on their own.

Well alright but bad example aside, what's the harm in introducing them into the family religion? Human beings have been doing that since the dawn of time, and nothing bad comes of it. My family has raised me as Christian, but I don't have to be that way if I don't want to be. When I move out on my own I can choose whatever religion I want.

[Peace God]

Well alright but bad example aside, what's the harm in introducing them into the family religion? Human beings have been doing that since the dawn of time, and nothing bad comes of it.
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LMAO, that seems a little extremist.

[Vonn]

I don't believe in forcing your beliefs on other people but what about families that attend church, do you expect them to get a Sunday nanny?

That's fine. As long as you're not hammering belief after belief after the occasional lie, let them go to church and learn at their own pace.

Well alright but bad example aside, what's the harm in introducing them into the family religion? Human beings have been doing that since the dawn of time, and nothing bad comes of it. My family has raised me as Christian, but I don't have to be that way if I don't want to be. When I move out on my own I can choose whatever religion I want.

There's a difference between "introducing" and "brainwashing." See the image in the quote below this sentence.

And that's my point. Raise your children however you want (reasonably), but no matter what, the kid will make the final decision.

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If the people holding those signs were old goats, I wouldn't care so much. But children? Do they even know what those signs say? Do they even know what it means?

Double post, my bad.

[Triste]

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That is extremist, and not what I was referring to. Their parents are crazy. I'm talking about THE MAJORITY of people in a religion, who actually look down upon that kind of thing. It isn't wrong to want to have your kids with you when you go to church, and it isn't bad to tell them about your religion and letting them become a part of it. THEY WILL HAVE A FINAL SAY OF COURSE, WHEN THEY ARE OLD ENOUGH TO SAY SO.

[Vonn]

That is extremist, and not what I was referring to. Their parents are crazy. I'm talking about THE MAJORITY of people in a religion, who actually look down upon that kind of thing. It isn't wrong to want to have your kids with you when you go to church, and it isn't bad to tell them about your religion and letting them become a part of it. THEY WILL HAVE A FINAL SAY OF COURSE, WHEN THEY ARE OLD ENOUGH TO SAY SO.

Lovely, then.

[Triste]

Lovely, then.

Whatever, man.

[Peace God]

It isn't wrong to want to have your kids with you when you go to church, and it isn't bad to tell them about your religion and letting them become a part of it. THEY WILL HAVE A FINAL SAY OF COURSE, WHEN THEY ARE OLD ENOUGH TO SAY SO.
I'm not against that, but that's not exactly the subject here. The title of the thread is "Should parents make a child be a certain religion??". We're talking about forcing kids to be in a certain religion.

[Triste]

I'm not against that, but that's not exactly the subject here. The title of the thread is "Should parents make a child be a certain religion??". We're talking about forcing kids to be in a certain religion.

How can you force a child into a religion? That's what I'm struggling to understand, if you want a child to join the family religion it isn't force.

[Peace God]

How can you force a child into a religion?

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[Triste]

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And that's saying what exactly? (can't watch videos on this phone)

[Peace God]

And that's saying what exactly?
you can force a child into a religion

[Triste]

you can force a child into a religion

But how? I couldn't watch the video so I have no idea what was said in it. Can you explain what happened to me?

[Ambrosia]

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This is disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. People like that...they disgust me. I don't understand how someone can stand there and force their religion on someone. And I'm sorry for anyone who disagrees and might say those children were there by choice because they are not, even if they themselves claim they were. That is simply a bunch of crazies telling a bunch of other crazies who had offspring that they should make their children into similar crazies so they can make an entire cult of crazies!

Children are raised how their parents choose to raise them. Whether or not the child with holds the information that is drummed into their heads over the years is simply up to how the child's mind is wired. I have seen plenty of people raised baptist with very devout parents, going to church every Sunday and Wednesday, who decide they want to Pentecostal or (In the case of my cousin) Jehovah Witness. But you have to think about the facts. Most people aren't a certain religion because they decided they wanted to be that way. Their parents were that religion and, most likely, their parents parents were that religion, and it's just default.

A mother and father aren't just going to stop going to church just because their child is old enough to know the difference between one church and another. They aren't going to just stop worshiping whatever God they worship in whatever way they worship Him/Her just because their child can now question who created the Earth. That's just not plausible. The child honestly has no choice but to be exposed to the parents religion but in a good percentage of the world, they aren't going to be FORCED to be said religion. They'll come to a point in life when they can go, "Oh! I don't think I believe in Adam and Eve..."

All people have the ability to decide they don't want to be a certain thing, whether it be religion or something else. It happens all the time.

[Peace God]

But how?
Same way you convince them that Santa is real.
Can you explain what happened to me?
Some crazy bitch tries to turn a camp of kids into a bloodthirsty army of god...and it kinda works.

[Triste]

This is disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. People like that...they disgust me. I don't understand how someone can stand there and force their religion on someone. And I'm sorry for anyone who disagrees and might say those children were there by choice because they are not, even if they themselves claim they were. That is simply a bunch of crazies telling a bunch of other crazies who had offspring that they should make their children into similar crazies so they can make an entire cult of crazies!

Children are raised how their parents choose to raise them. Whether or not the child with holds the information that is drummed into their heads over the years is simply up to how the child's mind is wired. I have seen plenty of people raised baptist with very devout parents, going to church every Sunday and Wednesday, who decide they want to Pentecostal or (In the case of my cousin) Jehovah Witness. But you have to think about the facts. Most people aren't a certain religion because they decided they wanted to be that way. Their parents were that religion and, most likely, their parents parents were that religion, and it's just default.

A mother and father aren't just going to stop going to church just because their child is old enough to know the difference between one church and another. They aren't going to just stop worshiping whatever God they worship in whatever way they worship Him/Her just because their child can now question who created the Earth. That's just not plausible. The child honestly has no choice but to be exposed to the parents religion but in a good percentage of the world, they aren't going to be FORCED to be said religion. They'll come to a point in life when they can go, "Oh! I don't think I believe in Adam and Eve..."

All people have the ability to decide they don't want to be a certain thing, whether it be religion or something else. It happens all the time.
So when a child is born the whole family has to STOP going to church? What? Where is the child going to be?

Same way you convince them that Santa is real.

Some crazy bitch tries to turn a camp of kids into a bloodthirsty army of god...and it kinda works.

I am guessing you have a strong dislike for the Christian religion if you're going to.word.it like that... Again, I don't see what's wrong with wanting your child to be.in the.family religion, I just don't.

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[Angel Androgynous]

I am guessing you have a strong dislike for the Christian religion if you're going to.word.it like that... Again, I don't see what's wrong with wanting your child to be.in the.family religion, I just don't.

You don't need to hate Christianity to hate what that bitch is doing to those children. It's called brainwashing. It doesn't matter what religion you are.

[Triste]

You don't need to hate Christianity to hate what that bitch is doing to those children. It's called brainwashing. It doesn't matter what religion you are.

It's not brainwashing to.introduce your children into your religion, that's what I'm trying to say. And I still don't know what happened in that video BECAUSE I CAN'T WATCH IT ON THIS PHONE.

[Angel Androgynous]

It's not brainwashing to.introduce your children into your religion, that's what I'm trying to say. And I still don't know what happened in that video BECAUSE I CAN'T WATCH IT ON THIS PHONE.

Then don't assume. :P Watch it and then tell us how Illogic should've worded it.

[Peace God]

I am guessing you have a strong dislike for the Christian religion if you're going to.word.it like that...
No not really. There's even plenty Christians in the comment section that said similar things about the video. They agree with me and they obviously don't have a strong dislike toward the christian religion.

Again, I don't see what's wrong with wanting your child to be.in the.family religion, I just don't.
Like I said, I'm not necessarily against that. There's nothing that bad with just wanting your kid to follow your religion...It's when people force and brainwash their kids to believe what they believe. Especially when those beliefs encourage violence and bigotry.

[Skyhawk]

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Anyway, I feel that parents may raise their child into whatever religion they would like, not to force, but when the child grows and wants to continue to stay with that religion, so be it.

The Unites States has a base of freedom of religion, just like the advertised "freedom". Yay!

[Triste]

No not really. There's even plenty Christians in the comment section that said similar things about the video. They agree with me and they obviously don't have a strong dislike toward the christian religion.


Like I said, I'm not necessarily against that. There's nothing that bad with just wanting your kid to follow your religion...It's when people force and brainwash their kids to believe what they believe. Especially when those beliefs encourage violence and bigotry.
Okay, explain to me the concept of forcing a child intonation religion, when does wanting your kid to follow your religion turn into brainwashing? I just need to understand that.

[Skyhawk]

Okay, explain to me the concept of forcing a child intonation religion, when does wanting your kid to follow your religion turn into brainwashing? I just need to understand that.

Refusal to follow =(might*) family disowning, domestic abuse, abandonment, removed from parents will, tortured...etc.

[Peace God]

when does wanting your kid to follow your religion turn into brainwashing? I just need to understand that.
When you don't want them to learn about or familiarize themselves with any other religion or belief system other than your own. When you take action against them making their own decisions regarding religion and spiritual beliefs (or lack thereof).

[Triste]

Refusal to follow =(might*) family disowning, domestic abuse, abandonment, removed from parents will, tortured...etc.

Okay, THAT is obviously a problem, that is very sick of.people to do. But the way these guys are wording it makes it sound like taking them to church with you and just bringing a religion to their life normally and in a peaceful way as they're growing up, of course, wanting them to be in the family religion so they can worship along their kids happily is a bad thing. If they had said what they meant the way you did, I would've been the first to say that forcing a child into a religion is a bad thing. As I've been trying to say, I really didn't understand what you all meant by FORCE.

[Peace God]

Okay, THAT is obviously a problem, that is very sick of.people to do. But the way these guys are wording it makes it sound like taking them to church with you and just bringing a religion to their life normally and in a peaceful way as they're growing up, of course, wanting them to be in the family religion so they can worship along their kids happily is a bad thing.
What?
I'm not necessarily against that. There's nothing that bad with just wanting your kid to follow your religion...

I'm not against that

How are you getting that out of my wording?

[Triste]

What?




How are you getting that out of my wording?

I honestly have no.idea, I just.know that I feel really stupid right now... It seems this whole debate was really just a miscommunication... I can now see where you guys come from. Lmao...

Okay, reading over the OPs statement, I have to totally dash everything I just said and I have to admit that a child doesn't need to be in a religion they don't want to be in. I completely.goofed and.misunderstood everything that you guys said, I am sorry.

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[Skyhawk]

Well, no need to be sorry, I suppose.

I just want to clarify my statement previously stated, I was game for introducing the religion to a child, that's wonderful (I'm am atheist and even I think it's OK) because of how it can strengthen a family.

If a child doesn't want to be part, then there shouldn't be any force issued. A child has the freedom to believe in whatever he/he would like, though the neo-nazi scene is not cool, same for extremists.

Is that clear enough?

-R

[Triste]

Well, no need to be sorry, I suppose.

I just want to clarify my statement previously stated, I was game for introducing the religion to a child, that's wonderful (I'm am atheist and even I think it's OK) because of how it can strengthen a family.

If a child doesn't want to be part, then there shouldn't be any force issued. A child has the freedom to believe in whatever he/he would like, though the neo-nazi scene is not cool, same for extremists.

Is that clear enough?

-R

Yes, that is very clear.

[mknjbvgtf6]

I think at some point the kids will learn and decide what's best for themselves.

[Contra]

I don't think parents should force a child to follow the religion they want, they should let that certain child grow up and let her choose its own path. My parents don't shove their christianity (and they're not very religious) down my throat and accept my atheism.

[Jess]

definitely not. it's the child's choice. and it's so wrong for the parents to shove the religion down his or her throat.

[crazyhyperway]

I think people should be able to choose a religion when they reach a certain age.

[Ambrosia]

So when a child is born the whole family has to STOP going to church? What? Where is the child going to be?

No, if you re-read what I wrote, I said the entire family is NOT going to stop going to church. They shouldn't. There is no reason.

[NomSan]

I call no on this one. Every individual should choose his or hers own beliefs, and not succumb into doing things because their parents means their point of view is right.

[Syvelocin]

I wouldn't even raise my child to be atheist. But I wouldn't fill them with fairytales either.

I've always said that I'd raise them agnostic and tell them about a wide variety of religions, then instruct them that they can choose to believe in whatever they wish to. That is what my conscience says to do, which defies what I'd really like to do. Just because of the possibility that they would make a really bad decision. But I'd raise them with my morals, yet not my religious beliefs, so my conscience is satisfied but there would be little chance they'd become a southern baptist or something... no offence.

[ImCoolBeans]

This is sort of a racy subject, not to offend anyone, but I think it's immoral to do so. Parents raise their children to follow something which later in life they may decide they never believed in at all, which can be pretty scaring

[Bath]

No, that's stupid if the parents do that. Religion is about what you believe, not what you are brainwashed to think. I'm not fond of religion in the first place, but I mean, if you're going to be religious, at least believe in it, you know? Don't just do it because you want an explanation. That's ignorant as fuck. I don't understand why parents would force their kids on something so important to how you go about life. Actually, I do understand why... and that's what makes me upset.