Circumcision

[Neptune]

Am I the only one who thinks that the person should choose whether to get circumcised once he gets to the age where he can decide? I will not circumcise my kids, if I have any, cause I think it is wrong. There was no reason to circumcise me, I'm not Jewish, no health problems. They did just because it's a normal thing here in the US. The whole hygiene thing isn't a excuse, at all. Teach your kids to clean themselves, they'll be fine.

[kuuliluuk]

No you aren't the only one. Everyone should decide on his bodyparts by himself. If I was circumcised at birth I would have been mad on my parents.

[User Deleted]

I think you should have a say but I got over that a year ago (and found out about it a year ago too) Life happens, people put their beliefs on you. Just the twisted way our world works.

[embers]

Everyone's so fucking sensitive over this issue, it pisses me off. Let people do it, the risk is minimal. That's all I have to say.

[alexander747]

I would never circumcise my kids without asking them. If God wanted us to be circumcised, he would have made us that way!

[Perseus]

I don't find it that big of a deal. I'm circumcised, but I won't be circumcising my sons for the sole fact of I can't watch them be pain like that, and I wouldn't be able to help in any way. I just don't understand the whole opposition to it. It's not that big of a deal.

[CryWolf]

Everyone's so fucking sensitive over this issue, it pisses me off. Let people do it, the risk is minimal. That's all I have to say.

^ I'm gonna go with this too. It seems there is such a huge push for "choice" that it's making everyone super sensitive to everything. I hear the cry of "its my choice" or "it should be my choice" all the time. The truth of the matter is there will be things that happen in life that we simply have no choice or voice in. I don't mean to be callous here about the issue, but it seems that there are bigger battles to fight.

[BOBBY HILL]

its a fucking penis both are capable of reproducing get over it

[Black Eight]

Circumcisions are pointless. I don't think they should be forced upon children because the procedure can go wrong.

[embers]

Circumcisions are pointless. I don't think they should be forced upon children because the procedure can go wrong.

I don't think we should cross the street either because reckless drivers exist

[Azunite]

It has pros, and it has no cons.

Why not circumsize?

[Korashk]

I don't think we should cross the street either because reckless drivers exist
False analogy. Nobody is forcing you to cross the street, but people are forcing circumcisions on infants.

[embers]

False analogy. Nobody is forcing you to cross the street, but people are forcing circumcisions on infants.

Parents walking their children when those children are unwilling to walk across a street are in essence forcing them to cross.

[jimmycouch14]

I’m circumcised and don’t think it’s a big deal for me. Actually in my area most of the guys are so I’m glad I am. I think it helps me to fit in more with the guys I hang with. Don’t get me wrong, nothing wrong if you aren’t, I just like my little purple head. :D:D:D

[InsanelyApple]

I'm restoring my foreskin so you can guess my stance.

[superstar2067]

I'm uncircumcised and my dad kept telling me to stretch my foreskin and clean every-time I have a shower, I have and I have absolutely no problems what so ever :P

[Dorsum Oppel]

I actually feel really cheated out of my foreskin.

Like, I'm not even kidding. As funny as it sounds. I feel invaded. It's the sexual center of my body, my divine tool of procreation and pleasure, and it was defiled when I had no choice in the matter. I'm a hedonist and a pagan, pleasure is divinity to me. It actually makes me really mad that I was circumcised.

[Jupiter]

It's no big deal, I think. I mean... if nothing goes wrong, I don't see the issue.

[BOSSPENGUIN]

my parents did get me circumsized but my dad told them to leave enough so when i start to masturbate i wont need lube :D

[Korashk]

It's no big deal, I think. I mean... if nothing goes wrong, I don't see the issue.
A) Things go wrong. It's estimated that around 114 deaths a year in America are caused by circumcision.
B) And this is what a lot of people don't get:

IT'S NOT ABOUT THE CIRCUMCISION!

The actual circumcision part is incidental to the real issue. It doesn't matter. It's about body sovereignty and what another person should be allowed to force you to do.

[BOSS]

I was circumsized at birth. I don't even know why I was though I mean I'm not even Jewish *now that's just racist* so I have no freaking clue why My parents had me cut.

[embers]

The actual circumcision part is incidental to the real issue. It doesn't matter. It's about body sovereignty and what another person should be allowed to force you to do.

Are children not under their parents' jurisdiction then?

[Asim]

[QUOTE=Korashk;1443592

The actual circumcision part is incidental to the real issue. It doesn't matter. It's about body sovereignty and what another person should be allowed to force you to do.[/QUOTE]

Parent: son do you want a circumcision? If you have any objection please say it

Baby: ..

Doctor: *Cuts off foreskin*

If your that bothered i'm sure you could find a doctor who would be willing to surgically reattach your foreskin.

[Korashk]

Are children not under their parents' jurisdiction then?
No, there are plenty of things parents aren't legally allowed to do to their children.

[embers]

No, there are plenty of things parents aren't legally allowed to do to their children.

But what are (and should be, I suppose) the boundaries for what parents can do to their children?

[Korashk]

But what are (and should be, I suppose) the boundaries for what parents can do to their children?
I won't give you exact boundaries (a bit outside the discussion), but I don't think it's unreasonable to bar parents from having non-necessary cosmetic surgery performed on their children.

[embers]

I won't give you exact boundaries (a bit outside the discussion), but I don't think it's unreasonable to bar parents from having non-necessary cosmetic surgery performed on their children.

And if the surgery isn't for cosmetic reasons?

[Korashk]

And if the surgery isn't for cosmetic reasons?
Doesn't matter.

[embers]

Doesn't matter.

I don't see why it doesn't.

[Korashk]

I don't see why it doesn't.
I don't see why it does. The fact of the matter is that circumcision is not performed via necessity in the vast majority of cases where it occurs. It is usually either:

A) Done because it's common practice in America, and for no other reason.
or
B) Done for a religious ceremony, which is a bullshit "justification".

[embers]

I don't see why it does. The fact of the matter is that circumcision is not performed via necessity in the vast majority of cases where it occurs. It is usually either:

A) Done because it's common practice in America, and for no other reason.
or
B) Done for a religious ceremony, which is a bullshit "justification".

Fair enough, however I don't see why it absolutely shouldn't be done even if it isn't necessary. I'm not going to tread along the 'it's hygienic' line because I don't know for sure that it is and you probably have some valid/credible refutation of that. Instead I'll just ask: what makes religious ceremony a bullshit justification?

[Korashk]

Instead I'll just ask: what makes religious ceremony a bullshit justification?
Freedom of Religion doesn't give a person or group blanket justification to do things to other people in absence of their consent.

[embers]

Freedom of Religion doesn't give a person or group blanket justification to do things to other people in absence of their consent.

I thought you didn't regard babies as 'people'? (Not a personal attack if it seems that way; I'm interested in your view.)

[MalditoDia]

yeah i guess. wit til you get older if you want too. that would have been good advice 15 years ago!

[Korashk]

I thought you didn't regard babies as 'people'? (Not a personal attack if it seems that way; I'm interested in your view.)
I don't consider them to technically be people in a philosophical sense (because they aren't). However, I think that the law should consider any born or viable fetus as a person for the sake of practicality.

[butty_92]

It is not something I would do but I respect the decision of other people and religions.

[Dmtuba]

I would never circumcise my kids without asking them. If God wanted us to be circumcised, he would have made us that way!

But, if he didn't, why did he give us the tools and knowalge to do so

[Incompris]

I think that people should choose when they get older. Its a personol decision.

[Scoob]

Got circumcised last year due to medical reasons. Believe it or not it wasn't THAT bad. Don't get me wrong it wasn't fun for the first two weeks (you were not aloud to pop a bone for fear of tearing out sutures) But honestly, I think it should be a personal decision. Saying that a child because they don't have the capability to decide for themselves at that time should automatically have it decided for them is a bit extreme. Let them decide when they are older. Besides it's a barbaric practice anyway. I did it solely for a medical reason. And for the people saying that circumcision has major health benefits - it doesn't. My problem with my foreskin was exceedingly rare.

[embers]

But, if he didn't, why did he give us the tools and knowalge to do so

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