Incest

[Target2222]

I have heard about incest not really sure what it is but do u Agee with it or disagree explain...

[Sogeking]

:arrow:ROTW

[Korashk]

Incest is when people who are related have sex with each other. Nothing really wrong with it, in and of itself. It does, however, squick people out.

[Dimitri]

Wrong, incest can lead to having children with disabilities and have negative reactiosn from the community and looks horrible when being compaired to morals and ethics.

[dontcare97]

Incest is bad not because it's sex between family members( that gross thou) but because of the ill effects it has on the children. The closer related they are the worst the out come. This happens because of the small gene pool or lack of genetic diversity.

Great explanation: http://www.thetech.org/genetics/ask.php?id=243

A good example of why a small gene pool is bad is the all the Royal Families in Europe. All of them now are distant relatives to one another from hundreds of years. A common disease that was passed through these families was hemophilia, a blood related disease that doesn't allow clotting which can lead to small cuts to bleed someone to death.

Here's a family tree with a more info:http://www.sciencecases.org/hemo/hemo.asp

That is just one of the many diseases that incest increases the chance of getting for the diseases. Incest is dangerous. Not to the parents but to future child.

[fenrirdies]

if they want to why not they can use this thing called a condom, if all sex ended with babies alot less people would do it as much as they do.

[Korashk]

Unless the inbreeding (distinct from incest) is happening between people who are directly related (siblings, mother/son, father/daughter) the chances of producing disabled offspring is no more a risk than having children past the age of 40. Even with directly related individuals the likelihood is still significantly less than 50%. The real problems arise from generational inbreeding.

[TheOldBrigade]

Na bro doin your family no way.

[Angel Androgynous]

I was going to make a thread for this, but here are my two cents:

I think incest is not morally wrong, and that consenting individuals should have the right to get married... the whole disabled child issue is a whole other debate. Couples (Or polygamists) in incestuous relationships should look for other options when having kids. For example, surrogate parents, or adoptions. (Gay incest couples don't really need to worry about inbreeding. :P) If you want to marry your brother... by all means, marry your brother... I'm not stopping you. :P If you want kids, try and adopt. c:

[NotWhoIUsedToBe]

What about gay incest? Are we just going to skip that?

Edit: @Angel_Androgynous - Missed that

[Korashk]

I was going to make a thread for this, but here are my two cents:

I think incest is not morally wrong, and that consenting individuals should have the right to get married... the whole disabled child issue is a whole other debate. Couples (Or polygamists) in incestuous relationships should look for other options when having kids. For example, surrogate parents, or adoptions. (Gay incest couples don't really need to worry about inbreeding. :P) If you want to marry your brother... by all means, marry your brother... I'm not stopping you. :P If you want kids, try and adopt. c:
The thing is, the whole issue of children is blown WAY out of proportion. The risk of producing a disabled offspring via a mating pair with no familial history of inbreeding is not all that high. Sure, it's high comparatively, but not in general. It's an issue that only people with a family history of genetic disorders, and/or family history of inbreeding need seriously consider before having children. At least from a strictly biological standpoint.

[Angel Androgynous]

The thing is, the whole issue of children is blown WAY out of proportion. The risk of producing a disabled offspring via a mating pair with no familial history of inbreeding is not all that high. Sure, it's high comparatively, but not in general. It's an issue that only people with a family history of genetic disorders, and/or family history of inbreeding need seriously consider before having children. At least from a strictly biological standpoint.

Exactly! Thank you for pointing that out. :)


What about gay incest? Are we just going to skip that?
I have mentioned this... gay incestuous couples do not need to worry about the whole inbreeding thing. :P
I think incestuous marriage should be legal; be it gay, straight or otherwise. c:

[Genghis Khan]

Wrong, incest can lead to having children with disabilities

Having children with your first cousin does not have a high risk of giving birth to a child with disabilities as much as radiation exposure to a pregnant woman, or how much alcohol the pregnant woman drinks. If anything the other two pose a higher risk.

and have negative reactiosn from the community

Depends on where you're living. Western countries cringe at the idea of incest, Middle Eastern, Central Asian and South Asian cultures encourage it sometimes.

and looks horrible when being compaired to morals and ethics.

There is nothing morally wrong with having sex with someone you're related to, especially if it's a cousin or some distant relative.

I find it funny people shiver at the thought of this idea, I mean, if it floats your boat and burps your worm just fine, why not? My family's unsure about the idea of it, so I don't see myself having sex with any of my relatives, but that's cool with me, I don't see myself liking it so much, just cause it isn't my thing.

[Neptune]

What about gay incest? Are we just going to skip that?

Yeah, incest among males is okay in my opinion. Or between females.

[Genghis Khan]

Wow. I didn't see my computer posted that comment three times before, if a mod could delete them... that'd be cool.

[DerBear]

Wrong just wrong

[Jess]

I was going to make a thread for this, but here are my two cents:

I think incest is not morally wrong, and that consenting individuals should have the right to get married... the whole disabled child issue is a whole other debate. Couples (Or polygamists) in incestuous relationships should look for other options when having kids. For example, surrogate parents, or adoptions. (Gay incest couples don't really need to worry about inbreeding. :P) If you want to marry your brother... by all means, marry your brother... I'm not stopping you. :P If you want kids, try and adopt. c:

pretty much this.

[aperson444]

I really don't see a problem with incest. To me personally, I wouldn't do it, but other than inbreeding I see nothing wrong. I think that incestuous couples should be encouraged to either avoid having children or have children using an alternative method. As a mild deterrent, the government shouldn't be required to pay the full costs of inbred children with health problems unless the case is unique. That should be a compromise that conservatives can agree with. Of course, I highly doubt this will ever reach the actual political realm. To politicians, incest is extremely taboo.

[Starlight Blaze]

I was going to make a thread for this, but here are my two cents:

I think incest is not morally wrong, and that consenting individuals should have the right to get married... the whole disabled child issue is a whole other debate. Couples (Or polygamists) in incestuous relationships should look for other options when having kids. For example, surrogate parents, or adoptions. (Gay incest couples don't really need to worry about inbreeding. :P) If you want to marry your brother... by all means, marry your brother... I'm not stopping you. :P If you want kids, try and adopt. c:

^^
I agree with her...I mean for a gay relationship we say love is love is love, but then we say incest and people are like NO WAY! it's a bit hypocritical...
the whole issue with children...like she said, they should find another way, surrogate or adoption or whatever. it's a great way to get what you want and stop the increased possibility of disease and stuff :)

also think about this: we always say if two related guys have sex in the sake of curiosity, it's completely fine, but if they date, it's incest and taboo
same with two related girls of course.
this is just another example of the hypocrisy in incest

[Efflorescence]

Well, if a person has fallen in love with her her/his siblings, then there's nothing I can do about it but pls, pls don't have children:

First of all, the children resulting from sexual intercourse between two close relatives can cause certain recessive (hidden) genes for particular types of diseases to become visible in the phenotype (appearance) of the person...the person will now have a much greater risk of becoming homozygous recessive for the disease or condition (for those who know what the hell I'm talking out). What I'm saying is that it may have been hidden before but when these close relatives mate, it shows in the offspring basically.

In Malta, my country, We have had a case where a brother and sister decided to live together and have children. The result? Disastrous and I stop there........

And although with cousins, the risks are not so high, they are still much higher than those of unrelated couples. I've heard of cases where everything turned out alright(my grandma's sister for ex) but I've also heard of lots of cases where the doctor advised the couple to stop having children because all of their two/ three children ended up blind, disabled... but then it depends on how willing one is to take the risk I s'pose....... from experience, personally I don't think it's worth it. Besides the fact that it's freakin gross.

[Efflorescence]

^^
also think about this: we always say if two related guys have sex in the sake of curiosity, it's completely fine, but if they date, it's incest and taboo
same with two related girls of course.
this is just another example of the hypocrisy in incest

Sorry but who said that if two RELATED guys have sex, it's fine?

[Angel Androgynous]

Sorry but who said that if two RELATED guys have sex, it's fine?
It is fine and frankly not anyone's business...

[Vonn]

People are just too uncomfortable with the idea of sexing it up with someone you're related to, for some reason. And the whole "think of the ugly children!" thing just makes it seem even more undesirable. There's really nothing wrong with it.

[Efflorescence]

It is fine and frankly not anyone's business...

Well, if they want to do it, they can do whatever the hell they want, I'm not going to go and stop them......this is a debate after all, we are not going to stop anyone from doing anything here......and if you think it's fine, then it's your opinion and I respect that but I personally don't think it's fine..that's it.

[Vonn]

but I personally don't think it's fine..that's it.

Why?

[Angel Androgynous]

Why?

Pretty much this. Why do you not think it's fine? Is it because that's what you've been told that it's not fine your whole life or is it because you truly believe that incestuous relationships are somehow inferior to non-incestuous relationships? If so, please explain why you think that.

[Efflorescence]

This is not just about the 'ugly children'....what if the two brothers/ sisters decide that they do not love each other in that way anymore? It's not uncommon for couples to 'not love each other' anymore nowadays.

This could cause the whole freakin family to break apart. I mean, then there could be feelings of jealousy, which are surely amplified by the fact that although you don't have anymore sexual feelings for your brother/ sister, you have to still love him/her in a 'brotherly form of way' because technically he/she is always your brother/sister. And you have to invite him/her to the new wedding, introduce him/her to your new boyfriend/girlfriend...... I'm not going to fuckin judge here but it becomes a crumbling mess...all of it.....

[Angel Androgynous]

This is not just about the 'ugly children'....what if the two brothers/ sisters decide that they do not love each other in that way anymore? It's not uncommon for couples to 'not love each other' anymore nowadays.

This could cause the whole freakin family to break apart. I mean, then there could be feelings of jealousy, which are surely amplified by the fact that although you don't have anymore sexual feelings for your brother/ sister, you have to still love him/her in a 'brotherly form of way' because technically he/she is always your brother/sister. And you have to invite him/her to the new wedding, introduce him/her to your new boyfriend/girlfriend...... I'm not going to fuckin judge here but it becomes a crumbling mess...all of it.....

What about married couples breaking apart? Those can cause families stress... and you don't have to love your siblings... some people do, some people don't. You don't have to invite them and you don't have to introduce them to anybody. It's your life. A crumbling mess can be a non-incestuous relationship too... and even if it does become a crumbling mess, it is their business, their life, and their problem.

[Efflorescence]

Ida, in this world, you do not have to love anything, you do not have to love your parents, your do not have to love your brothers/sisters, you do not have to love yourself, you do not have to love anyone. That's true...however cutting all ties from your family is not something desirable isn't and if it can be avoided, why not avoid it?

I mean when my mother sees my brother and me fighting over something silly, she freaks out......because she expects and wants her children to be close to each other (I'm talking about 'brotherly love' here of course).......

And 'yes a crumbling mess can be a non-incestuous relationship too' but when you are no longer in that non-incestuous relationship, you are not expected to love the guy/girl anymore. However, when it comes to an incestuous relationship, you'd want to still love your brother/sister even after that relationship is no more because well, he/she is your brother/sister. Although you don't have to love them, because you don't have to love anyone,again, it's not the ideal situation.

And if you do not love your brother/sister anymore, just because your incestuous relationship hasn't worked out, then that's by all means another disadvantage of an incestuous relationship. Besides, It will become too awkward, for everyone......

However,I agree that it's their freakin life and they have to cope with it, but however I cannot say that it's fine in my eyes because I don't see it that way.

[Angel Androgynous]

If you still love your brother/sister/broster (as a "sibling" and not a "partner") after your relationship hasn't worked out... so be it! So what? You can still be their "friend/brother/sister/broster" after you have broken up! (In fact, I know a lot of people... including myself, who are still friends with their ex boyfriends and girlfriends) If you don't love them anymore... well that's your problem. They should still have the right to get married...

Speaking of which: What does it not working out have to do with anything? What if a couple get married, have kids, and then one day they decide to have a divorce, and one of the kids goes into a depression and thinks it is because of him/her/whatever and then they kill themselves because the depression is so severe? Should we make it illegal to get married? Or maybe make it illegal to have kids? Fact is... shit happens! It's the way of life! I am pretty sure that people who are in incestuous couples know what they are getting themselves into...

[Efflorescence]

The fact that shit happens, doesn't make that shit right......it happens but is it fine? I remind you that your question was whether it's fine or nor.....and I answered 'no'


And if you're going to let them get married, how are you going to prevent them from having children? You cannot say...'Ok, you can get married but you cannot have children! You can only adopt.'
And if you legalize marriage, you cannot say 'ok, so siblings of the same gender can marry because they cannot have children but siblings of the opposite gender, cannot!'

[Angel Androgynous]

And if you're going to let them get married, how are you going to prevent them from having children? You cannot say...'Ok, you can get married but you cannot have children! You can only adopt.'
And if you legalize marriage, you cannot say 'ok, so siblings of the same gender can marry because they cannot have children but siblings of the opposite gender, cannot!'

I think that incestuous couples should be encouraged to either avoid having children or have children using an alternative method. As a mild deterrent, the government shouldn't be required to pay the full costs of inbred children with health problems unless the case is unique.
There's your answer....

[Iris]

If two aware adults consent to be in a relationship, they should be allowed too. I don't think incest when one is a child is a good idea, because there is a high chance that it is just hormones and it can greatly damage integral relationships necessary for a healthy development. Also child incest is usually abuse, as it generally involves coercion, as children are easier to manipulate than adults. But if you're an adult and you're able to make informed choices, and incest is what you choose, so be it. There have been cases where siblings who were separated during childhood unknowingly found each other, and fell in love. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_sexual_attraction) They shouldn't be forbidden from being in a relationship.

To be honest, incest disgusts me. But so does spinach, and that's not illegal. I won't participate in this kind of relationship, but if aware, consenting adults choose to, that's their decision.

[Vonn]

There have been cases where siblings who were separated during childhood unknowingly found each other, and fell in love. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_sexual_attraction)

I was thinking about that earlier. They're meeting just like any other couple out there, and if they happen by the smallest chance to be related, why does that automatically make it horrific?

[Efflorescence]

There's your answer....

Do you seriously think that your 'encouragement' will stop them? For God's sake, when the brother and sister forming part of an incestuous relationship in our country were 'encouraged' not to have children, they didn't give a rat's ass about anybody and anything and had 3!!!!!

And your idea that aforementioned children should receive less money from the state is unethical, every human being should have the same rights before the state, you cannot leave the poor child to perish just because he was born. If he was born, he was born, the State has to cater for him just like it caters for all the others.

[Angel Androgynous]

Do you seriously think that your 'encouragement' will stop them? For God's sake, when the brother and sister forming part of an incestuous relationship in our country were 'encouraged' not to have children, they didn't give a rat's ass about anybody and anything and had 3!!!!!

And your idea that aforementioned children should receive less money from the state is unethical, every human being should have the same rights before the state, you cannot leave the poor child to perish just because he was born. If he was born, he was born, the State has to cater for him just like it caters for all the others.

The child is their responsibility... though I agree that the government should treat everyone equally... on the other hand, the couple knew the consequences of inbreeding. Korashk has also mentioned that the whole "disabled children" thing is blown way out of proportion. There was a German couple, (brother and sister) who had a few children, and for the most part, they were healthy... however, the children were taken away, and the couple was thrown in jail....do you think that is fair?

[OptimusPrime]

Incest is when people who are related have sex with each other. Nothing really wrong with it, in and of itself. It does, however, squick people out.

You've just left fairy town. Welcome to the real world. Oh a sign! It reads "Incest is disgusting, shouldn't happen and is highly pathetic. Anyone caught should be faced with removal of their bit or bits for an entire two years."

Thank you for stopping in the real world. Please come again.

[superstar2067]

I personal disagree that incest should be stopped ASAP if it occurs, if the 2 people involved must have relations, all precautions should be done to prevent children

[Genghis Khan]

You've just left fairy town. Welcome to the real world. Oh a sign! It reads "Incest is disgusting, shouldn't happen and is highly pathetic. Anyone caught should be faced with removal of their bit or bits for an entire two years."

Thank you for stopping in the real world. Please come again.

Seriously, stop talking.

if the 2 people involved must have relations, all precautions should be done to prevent children

Why?

[backtobackawesome]

Incest is when people who are related have sex with each other. Nothing really wrong with it, in and of itself. It does, however, squick people out.

I was going to make a thread for this, but here are my two cents:

I think incest is not morally wrong, and that consenting individuals should have the right to get married... the whole disabled child issue is a whole other debate. Couples (Or polygamists) in incestuous relationships should look for other options when having kids. For example, surrogate parents, or adoptions. (Gay incest couples don't really need to worry about inbreeding. :P) If you want to marry your brother... by all means, marry your brother... I'm not stopping you. :P If you want kids, try and adopt. c:

Having children with your first cousin does not have a high risk of giving birth to a child with disabilities as much as radiation exposure to a pregnant woman, or how much alcohol the pregnant woman drinks. If anything the other two pose a higher ris
I find it funny people shiver at the thought of this idea, I mean, if it floats your boat and burps your worm just fine, why not? My family's unsure about the idea of it, so I don't see myself having sex with any of my relatives, but that's cool with me, I don't see myself liking it so much, just cause it isn't my thing.

lol u people think ur pretty open minded.... talk about open minded i blaze crack wid my mum hahaha

[Genghis Khan]

lol u people think ur pretty open minded.... talk about open minded i blaze crack wid my mum hahaha

Yeah, and I shot heroin with my dad.

[Efflorescence]

The child is their responsibility... though I agree that the government should treat everyone equally... on the other hand, the couple knew the consequences of inbreeding. Korashk has also mentioned that the whole "disabled children" thing is blown way out of proportion. There was a German couple, (brother and sister) who had a few children, and for the most part, they were healthy... however, the children were taken away, and the couple was thrown in jail....do you think that is fair?

Well, um, the reply to your last question can be found in your own post: 'the couple knew the consequences of interbreeding' just as they knew that incest was illegal in their country.
And I don't think that it's fair but it's surely better than not paying the costs for health problems and leaving the children to suffer, just as you proposed earlier on! The child is their own responsibility, yes, but all the children are their parents' responsibility and if the state helps some, he cannot ignore the needs of others, like that. After all, the children are not to blame for this! (By the way as an aside, that's why I'm pro-gay marriage as well as I believe in equality.)

And I am not saying that ALL the children who are born from incestuous relationships are disabled, I'm saying that unfortunately, exceptions only serve to prove the rule in this case.


lol u people think ur pretty open minded.... talk about open minded i blaze crack wid my mum hahaha


Yeah, and I shot heroin with my dad.

Sorry to say this but are you fuckin 6-year olds or what?

[Angel Androgynous]

The children were their responsibility.... and they were healthy....

So taking them away is pointless.
Making incest illegal is pointless.

[Efflorescence]

The children were their responsibility.... and they were healthy....

So taking them away is pointless.
Making incest illegal is pointless.

I'm not saying that taking them away is right...but they knew it was illegal.....

I think that making incest legal is not feasible for anyone, most of all the state itself because of the number of children born with disabilities and complications, that can surely be avoided.

[Angel Androgynous]

I'm not saying that taking them away is right...but they knew it was illegal.....

I think that making incest legal is not feasible for anyone, most of all the state itself because of the number of children born with disabilities and complications, that can surely be avoided.

There are children born with disabilities outside of incestuous relationships. Should we make having children illegal all together?
The act of incest itself hurts no one... just like the act of being in a relationship... Just like the act f sky diving... however... shit happens. Life is a risk in itself. For example: The act of being outside won't hurt you... but there's always a chance that a rapist might come and rape you. Depending on where you live, (analogy of: depending on the genetics) you may have a higher chance of getting raped/murdered/whatever.... should we disallow you to go outside? Also, not all couples want children! If you are only thinking about the possible children, then stop and think about the couple. They want happiness too... and they deserve it.

[embers]

You've just left fairy town. Welcome to the real world. Oh a sign! It reads "Incest is disgusting, shouldn't happen and is highly pathetic. Anyone caught should be faced with removal of their bit or bits for an entire two years."

Thank you for stopping in the real world. Please come again.

This is more narrow-minded and conformable than backtobackawesome and the music section of VT, respectively. Wow, you should win like a medal or something bro.

On a more relevant note, I'm agreeing with Korashk here. There isn't something 'morally' wrong with having sexual intercourse with a sibling - though I'd prefer not for the couple to have children either, I'm only 'strictly' against generations of inbreeding.

[Efflorescence]

There are children born with disabilities outside of incestuous relationships. Should we make having children illegal all together?
The act of incest itself hurts no one... just like the act of being in a relationship... Just like the act f sky diving... however... shit happens. Life is a risk in itself. For example: The act of being outside won't hurt you... but there's always a chance that a rapist might come and rape you. Depending on where you live, (analogy of: depending on the genetics) you may have a higher chance of getting raped/murdered/whatever.... should we disallow you to go outside? Also, not all couples want children! If you are only thinking about the possible children, then stop and think about the couple. They want happiness too... and they deserve it.

Yes, by all means, there are children born with disabilities outside of incestuous relationships. However, that is not the rule. It is the exception. We cannot base rules on exceptions. However, when close relatives mate, it is very common that the children have complications. It
is the rule. If you are going somewhere and you know that a murderer lives in a particular street, what do you do? You try and avoid that street if you can. You do not go and 'ask for it'.

And yes, maybe the couple doesn't want children but when two persons of the opposite sex marry, the rule is that they have children. Everyone wants happiness, however that doesn't necessarily mean that everyone can do whatever the hell he wants to have it. Sometimes, you cannot think only of yourself but you have to consider also what is the most feasible for the 'the common good'. And that is what the state is supposed to do.

[Angel Androgynous]

Yes, by all means, there are children born with disabilities outside of incestuous relationships. However, that is not the rule. It is the exception. We cannot base rules on exceptions. However, when close relatives mate, it is very common that the children have complications. It
is the rule.
Did you read Korashk's post?

If you are going somewhere and you know that a murderer lives in a particular street, what do you do? You try and avoid that street if you can. You do not go and 'ask for it'.
How about whole neighborhoods filled with crime? Hmm? Some people can't help but live there... for example: Me. I live in the ghetto. I am supposed to go outside early in the morning when it is still dark, and I see drug dealers, gang members, crack heads, etc. all the time... should I not be allowed to go outside? Mind you, I love living here. Despite how many druggies there are here, there a better sense of community here... but I am getting off topic.


And yes, maybe the couple doesn't want children but when two persons of the opposite sex marry, the rule is that they have children.
Yeah...no.
If I get married, I would never want to have children. Blegh.
Getting Married =/= Having children.



Everyone wants happiness, however that doesn't necessarily mean that everyone can do whatever the hell he wants to have it. Sometimes, you cannot think only of yourself but you have to consider also what is the most feasible for the 'the common good'. And that is what the state is supposed to do.
In what way is a couple in an incestuous relationship affecting the "common good?" In what way are they affecting you or anyone else? Their happiness hurts no one.

[Efflorescence]

Um yeah but maybe....I don't agree with Korashk? You see here we've had a few cases and in many of them, the situation wasn't pretty at all and to be brutally honest, neither were the offspring.

If you live in a ghetto, then there's no way you can avoid it. You have to go outside. However, in this case, one can avoid all this - by not practising incest.

That makes the two of us because even I do not want to have children. However, we're not the rule. And as I mentioned earlier, once the couple is married you cannot force them not to have children just because 'Getting Married =/= Having children'.

Oh, that's were you're so wrong because it does affect the 'common good'. If they have offspring (again, you cannot force them not to, once you have legalized marriage), then you have a high risk of complications. But...that's not the worst that can happen here...what if the offspring of that incestuous relationship decide to interbreed again? Once more, if you have legalized marriage you cannot stop them...and if before, the risks were high, now the risks are GINORMOUS. The number of disabled children will increase significantly and the state has to help of course.....=more taxes, more pressure on resources, more people not being able to work. This from a situation that could easily have been avoided.

[Angel Androgynous]

Oh, that's were you're so wrong. If they have offspring (again, you cannot force them not to, once you have legalized marriage), then you have a high risk of complications. But...that's not the worst that can happen here...what if the offspring of that incestuous relationship decide to interbreed again?
What if a big dinosaur swoops from the sky and eats us all? :eek:
Once more, if you have legalized marriage you cannot stop them...and if before, the risks were high, now the risks are GINORMOUS. The number of disabled children will increase significantly and the state has to help of course.....=more taxes, more pressure on resources, more people not being able to work. This from a situation that could easily have been avoided.
You cannot stop them either way. If they want to have inbred kids... they will.
Also, I am pretty sure that they are not idiots and know about the disabilities their children can possibly have... Also, what about people with genetic disorders themselves? Should they not be allowed to have children?
You are acting as if everyone is going to fuck their siblings and have 10 babies.

If they love each other, then they should have the right to get married. It's really not anyone's business.

[Efflorescence]

What if a big dinosaur swoops from the sky and eats us all? :eek:

This is ridiculous. The possibilities of a 'dinosaur....bla bla..... are extremely unlikely. The children of incestuous children are more likely to see incest as acceptable and engage in it themselves so it is not unlikely, no, that you will have complete generations of inbreeding if you legalize the law.

You cannot stop them either way. If they want to have inbred kids... they will.
Also, I am pretty sure that they are not idiots and know about the disabilities their children can possibly have... Also, what about people with genetic disorders themselves? Should they not be allowed to have children?
You are acting as if everyone is going to fuck their siblings and have 10 babies.


So if they are already having inbred kids and all, then why do you need to legalize marriage in the first place?
And don't be so sure about the 'not idiots' part because they do it, I have already shown you that they do not give a crap...at least in my country they don't. Now, perhaps in your country, people are special and actually give a damn.
Again people with genetic disorders cannot be stopped as marriage is legal and again, for the umpteenth time, they are not the rule. In this case, disabled people being born from incestuous relationships are the rule.
If you are going to legalize marriage for these people, then, yes if they want to fuck their siblings and have 10 disabled babies, you have to help them all one way or another by giving them benefits, whilst waiting for their eleventh as you obviously cannot arrest them.

[Angel Androgynous]

This is ridiculous. The possibilities of a 'dinosaur....bla bla..... are extremely unlikely. The children of incestuous children are more likely to see incest as acceptable and engage in it themselves so it is not unlikely, no, that you will have complete generations of inbreeding if you legalize the law.
So if they are already having inbred kids and all, then why do you need to legalize marriage in the first place?
Because marriage has nothing to do with kids.
And don't be so sure about the 'not idiots' part because they do it, I have already shown you that they do not give a crap...at least in my country they don't. Now, perhaps in your country, people are special and actually give a damn.
Again people with genetic disorders cannot be stopped as marriage is legal and again, for the umpteenth time, they are not the rule. In this case, disabled people being born from incestuous relationships are the rule.
If you are going to legalize marriage for these people, then, yes if they want to fuck their siblings and have 10 disabled babies, you have to help them all one way or another by giving them benefits, whilst waiting for their eleventh.
So why is it legal for them and not for incestuous couples? How are they not the rule? I don't get where you're going with that...
That is blown way out of proportion... for the umpteenth time.
Once again... you are acting as if everyone is going to turn to incest. :/ By the way... weren't you the one all talking about how everyone deserves equality? :rolleyes:

[Infidelitas]

Now, it depends whether it's by marriage or not. Because technically my mums side of the family is related to my dads side of the family through marriage from the 1800's. But I do see incest that isn't by marriage wrong.

[Efflorescence]

Because marriage has nothing to do with kids.

One of the functions of marriage between people of the opposite sex is to have kids, whether you and I like it or not. That's how we ensure the survival of the species. There are couples who don't, but the norm is that they do have children.

So why is it legal for them and not for incestuous couples? How are they not the rule? I don't get where you're going with that...
That is blown way out of proportion... for the umpteenth time.
Once again... you are acting as if everyone is going to turn to incest. :/ By the way... weren't you the one all talking about how everyone deserves equality? :rolleyes:


It is legal for people with genetic disorders since the state cannot make marriage illegal just for them. That's what I mean by 'they are not the rule'. Many of couples do not have genetic disorders and even if a small portion of them have, the state cannot tell a person with a genetic disorder not to marry since marriage is legal for everyone and that's what I mean by equality.

You think that this blown way out of proportion but I can tell you it's not. My country is an island the size of bird shit in the middle of the Mediterranean sea with 500,000 people. We are having problems with interbreeding even now. If the government decides to legalize incest, CHAOS would ensue.

And yes, if you decide to legalize incest, people may start getting strange ideas like 'Why don't we interbreed to keep the business in our own family?' Or 'why don't we interbreed to preserve our royal bloodline?' So, yes, you have to think about what could happen in the future - prevention is better than cure.

And as far as I know, no one is allowed to practise incest. So the state is showing equality by saying 'No one can practise incest'. No one = equality.

[SinisterMystery]

You can't control who you fall in love with. It just happens, therefore I have no problem with incest. Personally I would never do it though.

[Angel Androgynous]

One of the functions of marriage between people of the opposite sex is to have kids, whether you and I like it or not. That's how we ensure the survival of the species. There are couples who don't, but the norm is that they do have children.
It's funny because people have kids whether they marry or not... :D


It is legal for people with genetic disorders since the state cannot make marriage illegal just for them. That's what I mean by 'they are not the rule'. Many of couples do not have genetic disorders and even if a small portion of them have, the state cannot tell a person with a genetic disorder not to marry since marriage is legal for everyone and that's what I mean by equality.
Marriage is not legal for everyone. *CoughGayCouplesCough*


You think that this blown way out of proportion but I can tell you it's not. My country is an island the size of bird shit in the middle of the Mediterranean sea with 500,000 people. We are having problems with interbreeding even now. If the government decides to legalize incest, CHAOS would ensue.

Health problems with inbreeding or the "problem" of inbreeding?

]And yes, if you decide to legalize incest, people may start getting strange ideas like 'Why don't we interbreed to keep the business in our own family?'[/B] Or 'why don't we interbreed to preserve our royal bloodline?' So, yes, you have to think about what could happen in the future - prevention is better than cure.
Evidence? I know that if incest is legalized, then I sure as hell WON'T inbreed with my family. Just like gay marriage is legal... doesn't mean that I will get married to a woman. OH and you can't help who you fall in love with... it just might happen to be your brother.

And as far as I know, no one is allowed to practise incest. So the state is showing equality by saying 'No one can practise incest'. No one = equality.
What about the people who can't help but fall in love with their siblings/cousins/whatever? What if they know the risks of inbreeding? What if they just want the marriage benefits and to live as a happy couple?
Oh and I have a question for you...
Suppose a girl got pregnant from her brother... and there is a high risk of the child being disabled in some way (Because of their genetics)... would you rather they abort the child and prevent it from suffering its whole life... or would you rather they have the child and try to give it a happy home and help in whatever way they can?

By the way, one thing I would like to add... Incest. Hurts. No. One.
Don't just assume that everyone in an incestuous relationship wants to have kids.

[Sporadica]

Wrong, incest can lead to having children with disabilities and have negative reactiosn from the community and looks horrible when being compaired to morals and ethics.

you say it's immoral?

so you're saying that your morals are better than the 2 people commiting the act?

morals are all objective (i think thats the word) and from my part of the world my morals are better than yours and vice versa. Its like the government thinks they're rebels and the rebels think they are revolutionaries

btw rebels fight the gov't for their own selfish reasons where as revolutionaries fight for rights and freedom


who are you to say that what someone is doing is wrong? also negative reactions from the community, well why do people care so much about what other peoples reactions and feelings on something you do

In my opinion incest is ok between 2 consenting people

theres my 2 cents

[BOSSPENGUIN]

hell no. yea family can love each but not like dat, just nasty incest means to have bowchickabowwow with someone your related 2.not only that but if the rubber breaks. that means a mentally challenged child not good man not good

[Angel Androgynous]

hell no. yea family can love each but not like dat, just nasty incest means to have bowchickabowwow with someone your related 2.not only that but if the rubber breaks. that means a mentally challenged child not good man not good

Did you read the posts in this thread before posting here? :/

[RoseyCadaver]

hell no. yea family can love each but not like dat, just nasty incest means to have bowchickabowwow with someone your related 2.not only that but if the rubber breaks. that means a mentally challenged child not good man not good

First of all,I have to ask.What the fuck are you saying?

Anyways,I for one see no problem with it.If the person is of age.I seriously doubt I myself would have an incest relationship with any of my family,lol, but I think it's people's bodies and they should be able to do what they want with it.

[OptimusPrime]

I've met someone who does her brother daily. Once or more she said. Not sure if she was trolling but I guess incest is okay as long as you're possibly curious and don't want to do IT with anyone outside the comfort zone. As long as protection is there and it's not done frequently like once or twice is fine but nothing like what she does. But I guess it has it's good and bad advantages.

[Infidelitas]

I've met someone who does her brother daily. Once or more she said. Not sure if she was trolling but I guess incest is okay as long as you're possibly curious and don't want to do IT with anyone outside the comfort zone. As long as protection is there and it's not done frequently like once or twice is fine but nothing like what she does. But I guess it has it's good and bad advantages.

Have you met them in person? Or on VT?

You cannot use that as an example, as you said, you aren't sure whether she was trolling or not.

[Angel Androgynous]

I've met someone who does her brother daily. Once or more she said. Not sure if she was trolling but I guess incest is okay as long as you're possibly curious and don't want to do IT with anyone outside the comfort zone. As long as protection is there and it's not done frequently like once or twice is fine but nothing like what she does. But I guess it has it's good and bad advantages.


You've just left fairy town. Welcome to the real world. Oh a sign! It reads "Incest is disgusting, shouldn't happen and is highly pathetic. Anyone caught should be faced with removal of their bit or bits for an entire two years."

Thank you for stopping in the real world. Please come again.

Lolwut.


How do you have a bad advantage? Oxymoron much? :P If I wanna fuck my brother 10 times a month, it's my business and no one else's... and let's say the law was that you can only fuck your siblings once in a while... how exactly would you enforce it?
Also, you the idea of siblings being in LOVE just went right over your head, eh? :P Their bodies, their choices... Whether they are in love or not.

[HaydenM]

I don't see there anything wrong with it as long as they both agree to it. Personally i don't agree with interbreeding but experimentation between brothers and sisters or cousins i think is perfectly fine, i don't know whether i would do it or not :P

[Eagle1]

I have heard about incest not really sure what it is but do u Agee with it or disagree explain...

How can you ask us to discuss when you don't even know what it is lol
(google is your friend)

Anyway, I don't really care if you want to then so be it if not thats good too.

[Amaryllis]

I don't know. I guess it's alright if they're like cousins or something and both parties are willing. I was molested by my father so... I don't know. I don't like it. But I guess it's alright if they really wanted to. I mean, Adam and Eve(I'm not christian) had sex. How do you think they populated the world? Who did their kids sleep with? Parents or kids I guess. Anyway, it's not possible. The human race would be warped so that theory's out.

[Sporadica]

I like how our generation still carries the traits of our parents where we still like to go into other peoples lives

One of the criteria for being truly free is to do with your body how you want to

I've done it with my sis and it's all cool.

Lol fun fact. In Alabama incestuous relationships are legal

[jurisprudent]

Personally, I'm against incest, for starters, it's disgusting.

In a situation where a mother lays in bed with her son or a father with her daughter in a sexual way? It's child abuse, sex between siblings can corrupt their minds. it's child molestation.

We can't help but fall in love, but love is an emotion, and like all emotions, we need to control it, can't stop masturbating about your mother? Then get a therapist, if a person loves a family member, the [I]desired[I] solution is NOT to forget the negative outcomes and get married, no, the solution is to help, probably improve their psychological state.

Saying that incest doesn't hurt anyone is ludicrous, let's think realistically what would your parents and relatives react when you announce that you are having sex with your sibling, incest can destroy, harm or even break family relationships, it's against family traditions.

Just my opinion on this matter. :)