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Jess
August 27th, 2011, 05:01 PM
Al-Qaida's No. 2 reported killed by US in Pakistan (http://news.yahoo.com/al-qaidas-no-2-reported-killed-us-pakistan-193958894.html)

WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. and Pakistani officials said Saturday that al-Qaida's second-in-command, Atiyah Abd al-Rahman, has been killed in Pakistan, delivering another big blow to a terrorist group that the U.S. believes to be on the verge of defeat.

Since Navy SEALs stormed Osama bin Laden's compound and killed him in May, the Obama administration has been unusually frank in its assessment that al-Qaida is on the ropes, its leadership in disarray. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said last month that al-Qaida's defeat was within reach if the U.S. could mount a string of successful attacks.

"Now is the moment, following what happened with bin Laden, to put maximum pressure on them," Panetta said, "because I do believe that if we continue this effort we can really cripple al-Qaida as a major threat."

A Libyan national, al-Rahman never had the worldwide name recognition of bin Laden or bin Laden's successor, Ayman al-Zawahiri. But al-Rahman was regarded as an instrumental figure in the terrorist organization, trusted by bin Laden to oversee al-Qaida's daily operations.

When the SEALs raided bin Laden's compound, they found evidence of al-Rahman's deep involvement in running al-Qaida.

Senior al-Qaida figures have been killed before, only to be replaced. But the Obama administration's tenor reflects a cautious optimism that victory in the decade-long fight against al-Qaida could be at hand.

"It does hold the prospect of a strategic defeat, if you will, a strategic dismantling, of al-Qaida," incoming CIA Director David Petraeus said in July.

Since bin Laden's death, counterterrorism officials have hoped to capitalize on al-Qaida's unsettled leadership. The more uncertain the structure, the harder it is for al-Qaida to operate covertly and plan attacks.

Al-Zawahiri is running the group but is considered a divisive figure who lacks the founder's charisma and ability to galvanize al-Qaida's disparate franchises.

A U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to summarize the government's intelligence on al-Rahman, said al-Rahman's death will make it harder for Zawahiri to oversee what is considered an increasingly weakened organization.

"Zawahiri needed Atiyah's experience and connections to help manage al-Qaida," the official said.

Al-Rahman was killed Aug. 22 in the lawless Pakistani tribal region of Waziristan, according to a senior administration who also insisted on anonymity to discuss intelligence issues.

A Pakistani intelligence official said al-Rahman died in a U.S. missile strike in Machi Khel village in North Waziristan on Aug. 22.

The U.S. official would not say how al-Rahman was killed. The Pakistani official did not say how the country's main intelligence agency, the ISI, knew that al-Rahman was dead. This official did not give his name in keeping with agency rules.

Intelligence officials had said at the time that four people were killed in the attack.

But a CIA drone strike was reported that day in Waziristan. Such strikes by unmanned aircraft are Washington's weapon of choice for killing terrorists in the mountainous, hard-to-reach area along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.

Al-Rahman has been thought to be dead before. Last year, there were reports that al-Rahman was killed in a drone strike; neither U.S. officials nor al-Qaida ever confirmed them. The officials who confirmed the death Saturday said it represented the consensus opinion of the U.S. government.

Born in Libya, al-Rahman joined bin Laden as a teenager in Afghanistan to fight the Soviet Union.

He once served as bin Laden's personal emissary to Iran. Al-Rahman was allowed to move freely in and out of Iran as part of that arrangement and has been operating out of Waziristan for some time, officials have said.

Azunite
August 28th, 2011, 11:56 AM
U.S. and Pakistani officials said Saturday that al-Qaida's second-in-command, Atiyah Abd al-Rahman, has been killed in Pakistan, delivering another big blow to a terrorist group that the U.S. believes to be on the verge of defeat.
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Uhhh no.

And I really doubt they got the second top-guy. It was probably someone else. Even if they indeed got him, it wouldn't make a big difference.

bravo-charlie
August 28th, 2011, 12:30 PM
It isn't a very big blow to them really.The al-Qaida will still fight and so will the Tailban.

Magus
August 28th, 2011, 12:37 PM
Obama did this in his last year, and it took 8 fucking years for Bush to do anything -- all he did is insult the Muslims and the Middle-Easterners; Obama humbly came to Middle-East, and greeted every important figure, rather than just dissing them.

You know what? FUCK THE REPUBLICANS!!111

deadpie
August 28th, 2011, 12:43 PM
Uhhh no.

And I really doubt they got the second top-guy. It was probably someone else. Even if they indeed got him, it wouldn't make a big difference.

Why are you questioning these reports like it came off a fuckin' fanfiction website? I mean there's more than one report about this. It's reported in Washington Post and a few other writing places that aren't in the US.

How about once someone leaks the pictures of his totally destroyed corpse I can get permission from the moderators and admins, then I'll send the picture to you for full proof. Would that make you happy?

I just find it funny how you're so against the US and have never been in it. Yeah, this place is sort of bad, but it's probably one of the better places to be living in.

And it does make a difference knowing how fast we were able to do that.

Azunite
August 28th, 2011, 12:52 PM
Why are you questioning these reports like it came off a fuckin' fanfiction website? I mean there's more than one report about this. It's reported in Washington Post and a few other writing places that aren't in the US.

How about once someone leaks the pictures of his totally destroyed corpse I can get permission from the moderators and admins, then I'll send the picture to you for full proof. Would that make you happy?

I just find it funny how you're so against the US and have never been in it. Yeah, this place is sort of bad, but it's probably one of the better places to be living in.

And it does make a difference knowing how fast we were able to do that.


Yeah, as a matter of fact some leaked pictures would be nice.

And haha, sir, I have been to the US 4 times.

deadpie
August 28th, 2011, 12:55 PM
Yeah, as a matter of fact some leaked pictures would be nice.

And haha, sir, I have been to the US 4 times.

Did you almost risk your life while you were here? Did Sarah Palin come at you with a rifle thinking you were a deer? Did Michelle Bachmann force you to watch her deepthroat a corndog while preaching against gays? I mean other than the crazy tea party people there's not much to fear here in America.

Genghis Khan
August 28th, 2011, 05:27 PM
Uhhh no.

And I really doubt they got the second top-guy. It was probably someone else. Even if they indeed got him, it wouldn't make a big difference.

Agreed completely. There have been several other cases where US soldiers have killed Taliban officials, leaders and subleaders [Haji Omar, Mullah Omar and now, Abd al-Rahman], can't name all of them off the top of my head but the point is it hasn't softened things up. Like really, it hasn't.

You can't defeat tribal militias like theirs in that kind of region, especially when it's being funded by one of the most powerful intelligence agencies in the world.

Seriously, unless the Pakistani government does something about it, brings military rule and ISI influence down so they can work side by side with America to bring them down, this war will be one massive fail and defeat just like it was against the North Vietnamese.

aperson444
September 2nd, 2011, 05:07 PM
They didn't kill Mullah Omar yet. That guy is more of a ghost than Osama ever was. There's still Al-Zawahiri and such, and new commanders are rising every day as Western Capitalism raises its immobilizing yolk on sovereign nations. This is hardly a blow to the Islamist cause, it's more of a setback. They killed Al-Zarqawi and we were cheering and hooting (as in NATO), but the Iraqi Al Qaeda factions and Al Qaeda just kept moving on.

Oh how ironic Operation Cyclone was :rolleyes:

Neptune
September 2nd, 2011, 07:55 PM
Obama did this in his last year, and it took 8 fucking years for Bush to do anything -- all he did is insult the Muslims and the Middle-Easterners; Obama humbly came to Middle-East, and greeted every important figure, rather than just dissing them.

You know what? FUCK THE REPUBLICANS!!111

Bush didn't catch Bin Laden, but, he did start the process. Do you really think Obama could have got him without bush and his administrations work to catch him? The intelligence? Bush was one of the worst presidents, but, I do think he deserves some credit regarding this whole catching terrorist thing. He did kill/ catch terrorists during his presidency, for example, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

Oh, and in the end, the troops are the ones who risked their lifes to get Osama, not, Obama. He sat in a room discussing aftermath scenarios.

embers
September 3rd, 2011, 11:46 AM
Bush didn't catch Bin Laden, but, he did start the process. Do you really think Obama could have got him without bush and his administrations work to catch him? The intelligence? Bush was one of the worst presidents, but, I do think he deserves some credit regarding this whole catching terrorist thing. He did kill/ catch terrorists during his presidency, for example, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

Yeah, I think Bush should be credited for killing [-]civilians[/-] militants too.