Implementation of a captca / 2 factor authentication

[Kujiro]

It just came to me, what about trying to implement a captcha during login , or a 2nd factor authentication.

It should be a hassle for the bots?
But such a move may and likely incur cost.
Just a thought.
*ponders*

[Giles]

Please God anything other than a captcha. I'm really bad at those.

I guess you mean every time we log in too?

[Infidelitas]

I guess you mean every time we log in too?

Every time we log on O_O? Thats a bit over the top

[Giles]

Every time we log on O_O? Thats a bit over the top

I agree, he said during login so I guess that's what he means.
It does make sense as another way to deter bots but it depends if you see it as too much of a hassle for regular members too, which I do.

[Infidelitas]

I agree, he said during login so I guess that's what he means.
It does make sense as another way to deter bots but it depends if you see it as too much of a hassle for regular members too, which I do.

Bots generally come here, post a couple of posts, then leave for good.
It will be too much of a hassle to do it every time you log on. If you have a decent one to start off with....

[Kujiro]

Yup those weird randomized words.
That generate which expire upon 30 seconds.
It should help deter bots in a long run.

My admins on other forums are trying to implement that during login and registration.
The ruled out during posting, as it's really too much of a hassle.

*ponders*

[Giles]

Don't you think it's a bit much though, having to enter a captcha every time you log in?

[SimplyTom]

Don't you think it's a bit much though, having to enter a captcha every time you log in?

i dont really fancy this thank you i think it would deter new members coming back as well

[Kujiro]

Security and convinience are always at loggerheads :(
Maybe it would deter member, but it too filters people whom are really interested from people who aren't.
And maybe at 100+ post they can choose to disable it?

[Giles]

And maybe at 100+ post they can choose to disable it?

When I first saw that I thought it seemed good but then comes the point about putting new members off.

[SimplyTom]

When I first saw that I thought it seemed good but then comes the point about putting new members off.

maybe we could just have it for the first week for new members by that time bots are usually gone

[Infidelitas]

If the users log back in, its likely the user is not a bot. And if you put a capatcha at registration, if they get around that, they will be able to get around the one at log in.

One at log in reallllllly is not necessary

It will be annoying

[Kujiro]

maybe we could just have it for the first week for new members by that time bots are usually gone

Yup that was what i was thinking, a week for new members would be a good idea.

And if a member is really like interested, im sure they would beable to survive a week of captca.

[Infidelitas]

If you put a capatcha at registration, if they get around that, they will be able to get around the one at log in.

Yup that was what i was thinking, a week for new members would be a good idea.

And if a member is really like interested, im sure they would beable to survive a week of captca.

Capatcha at registration = all you need.

[ShatteredWings]

I hope you meant register, I really do. Bots tend to log in once and then never come back, so it's not lke that would do anything.

[Kujiro]

Actually i was suggesting if it should be implemented, but at which entry point, it can be discussed later on if the idea is accepted i'd supposed.

But at registration would be a good idea if bot only appear once and disappear.

[TheMJS]

Just on signup?

[Kujiro]

That would be pretty ideal.
It depends where would it benefit the entire committee, definately to administrator's discretion.

[Weeping]

It's a good idea, especially now, since like 90% of all new threads are fucking bots.

Though it should only be on signup.. I mean every login? No thanks.

[RockinRobyn]

just on sign up would be ideal. Alot of forums have human verification so I think just sign up would be fine. But every log in that would be a hassle and not to mention annoying

[SosbanFach]

The dreaded captcha! How I hate them! *shudders*

But I do agree that something has to be done; there are too many bots to ignore. Captcha at registration would be good, but not at login.

[Jess]

how about captcha for posts? Like, you have to also type in the Captcha before you can submit your post. it'll go away...after like 5 posts...

[crazyhyperway]

The dreaded captcha! How I hate them! *shudders*

But I do agree that something has to be done; there are too many bots to ignore. Captcha at registration would be good, but not at login.

I like this Idea. Login would be too much, but, at registration, the bots would not be able to figure it out.

how about captcha for posts? Like, you have to also type in the Captcha before you can submit your post. it'll go away...after like 5 posts...
This would also work too but, it may deter new members bc they would think it is a normal thing.

[Infidelitas]

I like this Idea. Login would be too much, but, at registration, the bots would not be able to figure it out.


This would also work too but, it may deter new members bc they would think it is a normal thing.

Thats why you put under the capacha that it is only for the first [X number of posts]

[crazyhyperway]

Ah, ok I get it now. But, I still think it should be for the registration

[Kujiro]

Many interesting opinions we have recieved thus far.
Wonder what would the admins say about it.

*smile*

[Jess]

I like this Idea. Login would be too much, but, at registration, the bots would not be able to figure it out.


This would also work too but, it may deter new members bc they would think it is a normal thing.

that's why there'll be a message saying that you won't have to solve the Captcha when you reach 5 posts

[Kaius]

The problem is most bots now are like a human illness, they'll become immune to the things we do and they'll be made smarter, it won't ever really stop them getting in completely because the manufacturing never stops, they're always advancing. It might work for the time being but to be honest the bots aren't a major problem, its more hassle to keep installing things to keep them out than to just report, freeze and kick them back out. Its a normal days work for the mods, its not a problem.

[SosbanFach]

The problem is most bots now are like a human illness, they'll become immune to the things we do and they'll be made smarter, it won't ever really stop them getting in completely because the manufacturing never stops, they're always advancing. It might work for the time being but to be honest the bots aren't a major problem, its more hassle to keep installing things to keep them out than to just report, freeze and kick them back out. Its a normal days work for the mods, its not a problem.

Even so, implementing Captcha at registration could potentially reduce numbers of bots on the site, freeing up moderators' time, which would hardly be a bad thing.

[Kaius]

Thats partly the reason the moderators are here, if they don't really like the workload they wouldn't be moderators. The number of bots don't really affect anything and actually it takes 5 minutes to sort the majority of them out, a little bit more if theres posts that need deleting.

[Donkey]

Thats partly the reason the moderators are here, if they don't really like the workload they wouldn't be moderators. The number of bots don't really affect anything and actually it takes 5 minutes to sort the majority of them out, a little bit more if theres posts that need deleting.
We should start having races. I know I can sort a bot out in 60 seconds flat.

BUT regardless, I think captca is a pretty good anti-spam system. Problem is, it's not really the bots getting better as opposed to this version of vBulletin becoming older and not being updated: the problem will only get worse, and in my memory on VT it already has been doing so

[DerBear]

I have only been here a few months!

And when I started out on VT i had seen little "bot" "Action". But know I am seeing it a lot sure Donkey you can sort a bot out very quickly and even quicker if someone reports it but like you said we need to update, We NEED anti spam protection. I dont want to see more post about Iphones or Naked wommen that come from porn sites.

We NEED to update and sure it is a kick in the teeth but we NEED to move forward and tackle this head on "grip the bull by its horns" my recent forums that I created were attacked by SPAM bots and I delt with it by updating and increasing more anti Spam fillters and I have had little problem since.

We NEED to act as we have to do this or we will become over run with SPAM BOTS. We have seen recent increase in SPAM BOTS so we NEED to do something.

I agree with the recent suggestion, so what if its a pain in the arse?

It will be better for all of us in the long term.

[OptimusPrime]

Please God anything other than a captcha. I'm really bad at those.

They're very easy to get through once you get the hang of it. Plus to be honest Captcha does not do a great deal. There are forums out there that have Captcha and are still being hit. Bots are clever.

Amazing none of them have gone for visitor messages yet.

[Donkey]

They're very easy to get through once you get the hang of it. Plus to be honest Captcha does not do a great deal. There are forums out there that have Captcha and are still being hit. Bots are clever.

Amazing none of them have gone for visitor messages yet.
They have, but their visitor messages are moderated ;)

[Infidelitas]

Amazing none of them have gone for visitor messages yet.
When I was mod, I saw a fair few in the VM moderaration queue, but they didn't have an effect, because noone sees them, as we delete them straight away.

[OptimusPrime]

Isn't there akismet for VB?