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Perseus
August 24th, 2011, 07:30 PM
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Scientists have just published compelling evidence that your great (great great...) grandmother was a shrew. Or rather, a shrew-like creature. A team of researchers discovered a new fossil species that they've named Juramaia sinensis, or "the Jurassic mother from China" — a tiny, primitive mammal that dates all the way back to 160 million years ago.

The researchers believe Juramaia to be the oldest known specimen of the so-called "eutherian" mammals — the distant ancestors of modern day placental mammals like us humans.

The team, which was led by Carnegie Museum of Natural History paleontologist Zhe-Xi Luo, discovered the remarkably well-preserved fossil discovered in northeast China.

Their finding is one of unusual significance. For years, DNA evidence has suggested that the evolutionary split of placental mammals from metatherian mammals (metatherian mammals being the ancient predecessors of modern day marsupials like kangaroos) occurred roughly 160 million years ago.

Until now, however, fossil evidence of this evolutionary divergence did not corroborate with DNA findings. Speaking to the discrepancy between genetic and fossil evidence in their recent paper — published in tomorrow's Nature — the authors explain the importance of their discovery:
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Juramaia, at an age of 160 Myr, establishes a much older geological time for the split of the metatherian–marsupial and the eutherian–placental lineages than previously shown by the fossil record. The previously earliest eutherian record is Eomaia and the metatherian record is Sinodelphys, both about 125 Myr...Juramaia extends the first appearance of eutherians from these previous records by about 35 Myr...Therefore this new fossil serves to re-set the minimal age at 160 Myr for the basal-most diversification of marsupials and placentals, the two clades that collectively make up 99.9% of all living mammals.

In other words, prior to the discovery of Juramaia, the fossil record had only pointed as far back as 125 million years. The researchers' discovery therefore brings the fossil record almost directly in line with current DNA evidence.

"Understanding the beginning point of [placental mammals] is a crucial issue in the study of all mammalian evolution," said Luo.
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Pretty cool, if you ask me.

Bougainvillea
August 24th, 2011, 08:00 PM
This is the most ungodly article, and I demand that it be taken down.

God's beautiful earth has not been around that long, and I find it insulting that you would say such blasphemous things that pertain to evolution.

User Deleted
August 25th, 2011, 12:15 AM
Oh, cool, I am a rat and a monkey now. Wanna add fish or virus to that list now? Perhaps bacteria. Anyone?

The Joker
August 25th, 2011, 12:34 AM
Oh, cool, I am a rat and a monkey now. Wanna add fish or virus to that list now? Perhaps bacteria. Anyone?

You're also a disease.

User Deleted
August 25th, 2011, 12:38 AM
You're also a disease.

Not just any disease, an infectious disease. Taste my microbial armies' wrath.

Magus
August 25th, 2011, 03:22 AM
Shrews! I was watching a documentary how the earth was destroyed by an asteroid, and how some early mammals survived.

LifeisLife
August 25th, 2011, 03:47 AM
This is the most ungodly article, and I demand that it be taken down.

God's beautiful earth has not been around that long, and I find it insulting that you would say such blasphemous things that pertain to evolution.

It's science and it exists, deal with it.

Sage
August 25th, 2011, 05:17 AM
It's science and it exists, deal with it.

He was being sarcastic.

LifeisLife
August 26th, 2011, 01:06 AM
He was being sarcastic.

no, no i was not. :) science really exists. what time period do you come from? the middle ages or something?

Angel Androgynous
August 26th, 2011, 01:08 AM
no, no i was not. :) science really exists. what time period do you come from? the middle ages or something?

._.
Cervantes was being sarcastic. :P

That's cool. :D We learn something new every day.

Sage
August 26th, 2011, 01:32 AM
no, no i was not. :) science really exists. what time period do you come from? the middle ages or something?

I was referring to Cervantes.

LifeisLife
August 30th, 2011, 02:19 AM
I was referring to Cervantes.

woopsss. :rolleyes: sorry! but if he would be sarcastic, then why didn't he say so?

Perseus
August 30th, 2011, 06:03 AM
woopsss. :rolleyes: sorry! but if he would be sarcastic, then why didn't he say so?
It's better that way.

UnknownError
August 30th, 2011, 11:48 AM
Lawl why does it have to be so ugly.
Pretty cool though.

This is the most ungodly article, and I demand that it be taken down.

God's beautiful earth has not been around that long, and I find it insulting that you would say such blasphemous things that pertain to evolution.

It's science and it exists, deal with it.

He was being sarcastic.

no, no i was not. :) science really exists. what time period do you come from? the middle ages or something?

oh lawdy.

Donkey
August 30th, 2011, 02:01 PM
woopsss. :rolleyes: sorry! but if he would be sarcastic, then why didn't he say so?

It's pretty obvious in the message. You know, sometimes people aren't always entirely literal. It's silly, but it's the way people speak. It would have been clearer if Cervantes had said "I think that Christians are mistaken because they believe that evolution is not apparent and the world has only been around for a shorter period of time than this article would have one believe: a Christian may be likely to suggest such an article was blasphemous and should be removed from the website it was hosted at", however perhaps it would be less humorous.

Sometimes it is worth giving further consideration into the message of posts that seem odd at first glance.

SosbanFach
August 30th, 2011, 05:54 PM
I think Pim can be forgiven now :P We all make mistakes.

Sage
August 30th, 2011, 06:00 PM
I think this article is fairly accurate, considering my oldest relative is my aunt, and she is a shrew for certain.

SosbanFach
August 30th, 2011, 06:03 PM
I'd say that my grandmother was more mouse than shrew, bless her.