View Full Version : Pride and Historical dedicated months
dontcare97
August 8th, 2011, 12:32 AM
The ones that I am aware of are:
Black History
Women History
Gay pride
Asian/Pacific American Pride Month
Hispanic/Latin American Pride Month
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Middle Eastern Pride
Arab Pride
I feel like things like this is important. These groups have been the ones with disadvantages in America and weren't treated with equality until recently.
The Chinese built our rail roads. Many fight to keep illegal aliens out of our country, but we have no problem having them mow our yards or clean our house. Gays are an abomination in Christianity...so? what does that have to do with their legal rights to marriage in a church separated government?
Do I have to say anything about African Americans? Sure, slavery happen all across the world through history, even in AFRICA!! but American slavery was different because it was the only one ever to be based on skin color. Then the prejudice was carryout for a hundred more years when we finally got the right to vote and even now in our more liberal times, African Americans are at disadvantage.
Opinions?
judahtics
August 8th, 2011, 12:49 AM
it's time to get over it and move on.
dontcare97
August 8th, 2011, 01:00 AM
Asking for more opinions. I'm want to see if others have anything that is different. You peeked my interest on the subject.
Magus
August 8th, 2011, 01:08 AM
Where is Middle-East(including Non-Arab nations) or Arab pride day? Zis iz operashin aganest ze meedle eeztarn.
dontcare97
August 8th, 2011, 01:09 AM
Where is Middle-East(including Non-Arab nations) or Arab pride day? Zis iz operashin aganest ze meedle eeztarn.
No, I wasn't aware of it all add it.
judahtics
August 8th, 2011, 01:16 AM
i simply think during these months, instead of bringing unity, they bring division. i think it's import to learn, but i don't think it needs it's own special month. during black history month when my history class solely focused on african american history, i didn't go because of a lack of truth.
dontcare97
August 8th, 2011, 01:19 AM
that is true. Black history should be learned all year round. but the history isn't the only part of it. It is also a way to celebrate you ethnicity.
judahtics
August 8th, 2011, 01:23 AM
you can celebrate that all the time. there is no reason everyone needs to celebrate with you. i'm native american and white. more native american, my gpa lives on a reservation and i don't expect people to hold me to a different standard or spend a month celebrating native americans. native americans suffered terrible persecution like african americans.
unfortunately, our history books aren't very accurate. they say what whites did, but don't tend to tell the whole truth, which is hurting culture and separating people. we need to unite as humanity and not races.
dontcare97
August 8th, 2011, 01:32 AM
It's not hold someone to a different standard. I don't expect white people to kiss my shoes during February just because I'm black. It's about setting time away to acknowledge the horrors of slavery, black prejudice, and how the black community has advanced since then.It's not about blacks being better, it's about remembering where we came from and the long, harsh road that lead from chains to the oval office. That's what black history means.
The whole truth is something that needs to be changed. That is something that is apart of history and it helps tell the story. For many years, the gruesome details of salvery wasn't even documented in text books. That is apart of history, good or bad.
judahtics
August 8th, 2011, 01:34 AM
africians used to sell other africans to americans. that's not documented or mentioned hardly ever.
dontcare97
August 8th, 2011, 01:37 AM
What are you talking about? I learned that in sixth grade. That is a truth that is apart of our history. The fact that lighter skinned blacks were given easier jobs than the dark ones is another bad fact as well. The stigma that the darker you are the worst you are still floats around today. I'd flip if someone called me crispy. That' is apart of our history.
judahtics
August 8th, 2011, 01:40 AM
that is not taught here in my area.
dontcare97
August 8th, 2011, 01:43 AM
Well I'm sorry that your area doesn't give their students unbiased facts in history. this is something that is addressed in Black history month, making sure the whole truth is given for eveyeone to know and learn from.
judahtics
August 8th, 2011, 01:45 AM
i still don't think it should be a specific month. history is history and we don't need special months for it. if blacks want to have special celebrations, they can do it on their own time and the same goes for everyone.
dontcare97
August 8th, 2011, 01:47 AM
Of course. Black history is just history in general but again Black history month is more than just history.
judahtics
August 8th, 2011, 01:54 AM
it's a waste of time, attempt at special treatment, and a reason to bring up and use the past against people. you weren't a slave, i wasn't a slave owner. get over it!
deadpie
August 8th, 2011, 02:10 AM
Muslim pride parades are growing here in America and are definitely necessary. It's sad that people think that one extremist makes everyone an extremist. Now if it's a conservative Christian, it's ok according to this dumb country, but when it comes to Muslims, it's different because... Well, they have a different set of beliefs.
I think parades and historical dedications are nice to have when things are still hard and illegal with the certain type of group of people. After twenty years of celebrating I don't think you have to keep shoving it in people's faces, but it's nice for people to recognize what everyone has gone through and what we've done as in fighting for our rights.
judahtics
August 8th, 2011, 02:13 AM
i think it would be nice to have a culture month where everyone was able to celebrate their own culture and share it with everyone. not only focus on one. like having a culture fair or something? ya know, something where we can experience food, culture, and customs. that would help stop misconceptions and rumors that tend to be wrong many times.
Magus
August 8th, 2011, 03:14 AM
No, I wasn't aware of it all add it.
My point is, they don't have one.
judahtics
August 8th, 2011, 03:19 AM
good. the less we have the better!
JackShephard
August 8th, 2011, 03:24 AM
i think it would be nice to have a culture month where everyone was able to celebrate their own culture and share it with everyone. not only focus on one. like having a culture fair or something? ya know, something where we can experience food, culture, and customs. that would help stop misconceptions and rumors that tend to be wrong many times.
I don't see anything wrong with people dedicating a month to their culture/beliefs. But also, a culture month sounds like a good idea.
Iris
August 8th, 2011, 02:20 PM
i simply think during these months, instead of bringing unity, they bring division. i think it's import to learn, but i don't think it needs it's own special month. during black history month when my history class solely focused on african american history, i didn't go because of a lack of truth.
How do they bring division? All I see is enjoyment and appreciation. I've gone to lots of parades [fill in] pride rallies, and I've NEVER seen anyone upset because the people participating in the parade is different from them. Being different and expressing an appreciation for everyone's difference is a way to get to acceptance and unity. Trying to shove all your differences away in order to act like everyone else encourages a more hostile attitude towards anything different, whether that difference is in the open or not.
Magus
August 8th, 2011, 04:03 PM
good. the less we have the better!Yes! Let's discriminate the fucking sandniggers! They shouldn't be proud at all for being sandniggers. Oh those fucking savage unibrowed ugly brown sand people, they should do us a favor and kill themselves(better yet, blow themselves up. Oh, those fucking muzzies)! *raise arm* White Powah!
I think you don't understand that unity does equate to tolerance to different heritages.
A great example of unity is the Nazis of Germania. Yes.
When you have a cultural meltpoint like America, people of different background will still cling to some of their identities as people from different origin, which is why there is the pride and heritage days. American culture is an ever changing one, there will be occlusions and inclusions. There is no fixed criteria for one to be an American, now, is there?
Indians(south Asians for those non-geography/history savvy people) in Canada are still Indians, born there or not -- they are Indians, and this goes for every one that's not from there. Sure, there are commonalities amongst Canadians, but people of distinct ethnicity will still act a bit of what they originally are.
Angel Androgynous
August 8th, 2011, 04:21 PM
Culture/Pride days are good things. No, they are not getting "special" treatment. They are simply celebrating who they are. I think Arabs/Muslims do deserve some kind of holiday to celebrate their heritage. There are kids getting bullied in school every day because of their ethnicity and their religion. Being called terrorists. Don't you think they need reassurance to know that they are not alone? Don't schools need to teach that not all terrorists are Muslim and that not are Muslims are terrorists?
Gay kids get bullied in schools, commit suicide, are picked on, discriminated against. Why do they not deserve to "flaunt" who they are? Why do they not deserve to have big pride parades? They aren't getting special treatment! They are uniting together to let those kids know that they are not alone in this! Have you heard of the stonewall uprisings? People would get arrested just for expressing who they are! Women were required to wear at least 3 feminine pieces of clothing! Why do they not deserve to show their pride today? Are the parades hurting you? No. Gay people are not being treated like gods! They simply went (and still go) through terrible things!
Same goes for African Americans, and Women... (Dontcare explained it perfectly, there is no need for me to)
Guess what? It's straight white male day every day!
Let these people have their pride months and days.
Iris
August 8th, 2011, 05:15 PM
Culture/Pride days are good things. No, they are not getting "special" treatment. They are simply celebrating who they are. I think Arabs/Muslims do deserve some kind of holiday to celebrate their heritage. There are kids getting bullied in school every day because of their ethnicity and their religion. Being called terrorists. Don't you think they need reassurance to know that they are not alone? Don't schools need to teach that not all terrorists are Muslim and that not are Muslims are terrorists?
Gay kids get bullied in schools, commit suicide, are picked on, discriminated against. Why do they not deserve to "flaunt" who they are? Why do they not deserve to have big pride parades? They aren't getting special treatment! They are uniting together to let those kids know that they are not alone in this! Have you heard of the stonewall uprisings? People would get arrested just for expressing who they are! Women were required to wear at least 3 feminine pieces of clothing! Why do they not deserve to show their pride today? Are the parades hurting you? No. Gay people are not being treated like gods! They simply went (and still go) through terrible things!
Same goes for African Americans, and Women... (Dontcare explained it perfectly, there is no need for me to)
Guess what? It's straight white male day every day!
Let these people have their pride months and days.
Very good points. Seeing those pride rallies are very encouraging for minorities who have been/are being discriminated against. It's nice to know there's support for you out there.
embers
August 8th, 2011, 05:44 PM
The only thing I have against pride rallies is that you're being proud of something that took zero effort in the making. I'm not proud of being Pakistani, not because of our fuck ups, but because the simple act of being Pakistani wasn't exactly a choice. That's probably the reason I get pissed off when I see someone 'proud to be British' or 'proud to be American' or fucking Croatian for all I care. It takes zero effort on your part. It's like being proud of being able to breathe.
Celebrating your culture's history and milestones isn't wrong, I suppose, because that's something different. That's why I'm not against gay pride or black history - because it isn't simply celebrating being gay or being a minority, it's celebrating their history and so on.
dontcare97
August 8th, 2011, 06:04 PM
it's a waste of time, attempt at special treatment, and a reason to bring up and use the past against people. you weren't a slave, i wasn't a slave owner. get over it!
What special treatment? What's wrong with admitting to the istakes of the past and learning from it? I know you weren't a slave owner. I know I not a slave, my father came straight from Nigeria to America and has over ten generations of families rooted there so I know most of my ancestors probably weren't slaves either.
Being a slave isn't the only bad thing that happens to African Americans. when I grow up and go get a job, I'll have to work harder, study more, and fight tooth and nail to get same respect that are already given to white people. Something like that is addressed in Black History month. A good potion of all the jails in America are filled with Black men, yet another thing that is part of our culture month. That's not the past is it?
Black history month is more than just history, I've said this about eight times, it's a culture appreciation month. Even if you don't want to be part of it it's okay. that doesn't mean it has to be banned. It shows the beauty in Black culture, our strives through time, and helps set goals for future African Americans so maybe one day my children don't have to work as hard to be the best and there will finally be an real equal playing field for all races.
Genghis Khan
August 8th, 2011, 06:07 PM
it's time to get over it and move on.
Get over the pain? For some people it really isn't that straightforward, especially when things haven't changed as much as they should have. I agree that terrible things have happened throughout history and every generation, ethnicity or nation has had its tough times and instead of wallowing in grief you're better off looking at a more bright future, but it isn't always as easy to move on from the pain your ancestors felt.
Even though people in the ancient subcontinent have suffered many different kinds of persecution I've never actually looked back at what my ancestors might've been through and felt that pain, but perhaps it's because it isn't internationally accepted as something controversial to talk about, or something that happened in the West like slavery or the holocaust. Sometimes topics in history are only controversial because they've been labeled as controversial, the holocaust was just as much of a genocide as the Bosnian Muslim genocide, the massacre of the indigenous people of Argentina, the Bo people annihilated by the Ming Dynasty of ancient China, Bulgarian persecution against Turks, blah fucking blah I could be a millionaire
if I got a dime for every event I posted.
good. the less we have the better!
Yes! The less cultural, historical months we have to appreciate each other's ethnic background the better it will be!
Some people may use it as an excuse to moan and boast about themselves and minority rights, but you have to accept that it is in fact an opportunity to learn and understand where another person's background and history lies. I don't know about you, but I find it pretty damn awesome, educational and beneficial for my well being and mental health homie.
Rant being cut short. I approve of pride and historical dedicated months.
UnknownError
August 8th, 2011, 06:17 PM
If they want everyone to be equal then they shouldnt be celebrating a minority.
Magus
August 9th, 2011, 12:43 AM
If they want everyone to be equal then they shouldnt be celebrating a minority.Oh, no. They should be celebrating a majority. WHITE POWAH!
Okay, I will round up the Mexicans, Puerto Ricans and all those South American people, along with Asians(namely, Chinese and Koreans), Middle-Easterns and Arabs, and we all going to celebrate about how we are proud of our superior human race, the white people.
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