Homos Goin' To Hell

[deadpie]

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ITT: Daily rage!

I like how people think Jesus said a single word about homosexuality and abortion, but he never did and i'm pretty sure Jesus would be a liberal if he were alive right now. This is coming from an atheist, if you don't know who I am.

How young is this guy? He looks like he was brainwashed in the basement of WBC and thrown in front of an american flag to say what they've said to him for months. Or I guess he could of grown up in that type of typical American house hold of "fuck gays, love God". Maybe he's gay himself and just in fuckin' denial. I mean, that mouth is clearly for SUCKING COCK.

[Sage]

Liberal? Jesus would be a fucking communist jew.

[Magus]

He has been depraved of scientific evidences for homosexuality.

Liberal? Jesus would be a fucking communist jew.
He will be a neo-ageian Hippy aka Anarchist. That's what Jesus going to be.

[Dimitri]

Hmmmm, what shall we do about him?!?

[Angel Androgynous]

Jesus Christ! (Oh the irony!)
This is one brainwashed, ignorant, bible thumping kid. ._.

I am pretty sure Jesus taught love and respect... he never actually said anything about homosexuals.
Didn't Jesus hang out with prostitutes? <--Totally irrelevant.



ITT: Daily rage!

I like how people think Jesus said a single word about homosexuality and abortion, but he never did and i'm pretty sure Jesus would be a liberal if he were alive right now. This is coming from an atheist, if you don't know who I am.

How young is this guy? He looks like he was brainwashed in the basement of WBC and thrown in front of an american flag to say what they've said to him for months. Or I guess he could of grown up in that type of typical American house hold of "fuck gays, love God". Maybe he's gay himself and just in fuckin' denial. I mean, that mouth is clearly for SUCKING COCK.
With fucked up teeth like that, no. xD

[judahtics]

everything is a choice, including being straight or gay. being one or the other might not feel natural to you, but you can choose it regardless. personally, i believe some people are born gay and some choose it.

[Perseus]

everything is a choice, including being straight or gay. being one or the other might not feel natural to you, but you can choose it regardless. personally, i believe some people are born gay and some choose it.

You just contradicted yourself there, buddy.

Jesus would be the most liberal motherfucker. I mean, just look at him. Conservatives don't question authority like he did, but ironically, conservatives suck his dick all day, err'day.

[Magus]

With fucked up teeth like that, no. xD
Honey, real life (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MachoCamp) is nothing like a good yaoi fiction. It's just the hard truth.

[Angel Androgynous]

Honey, real life (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MachoCamp) is nothing like a good yaoi fiction. It's just the hard truth.

I know, but these teeth don't lie. (http://help.com/user-avatars/d0/user-photo-145847-916675.jpg)

[Dorsum Oppel]

Liberal? Jesus would be a fucking communist jew.

Communists are extreme leftists, and a separate entity from the liberal-conservative scale. Considering he believes in himself, he would not be jewish.

[Amnesiac]

Yet another egotistical conservative on the Internet tries to tell other people how to live their lives.

I don't think I'll ever understand the philosophical values some people in this country believe in, or where they get the logic to back them up from. The ideas of people like this fuckhead have the consistency of the shit I just took. It's the sad truth that he's one of millions of people just like him who make up the "family values" voters; some of the most disgusting people on the planet, who lack any common sense or the ability to think outside the box. People like LennartSB hate freedom. They piss and shit on freedom every day, and cut away at it until "freedom" only applies to their lives, and not the lives of anybody who doesn't conform to their pretender agenda.

The fact this guy has the audacity to put an American flag up behind him makes me laugh. He hates America, because at the core of American values is the ideal that the individual should be able to live freely, something he can't get through his walnut-sized brain.

[Maxxie]

*sigh*

Another example of religion fucking up humanity.

[Hatsune Miku]

I'm going to take a wild guess and say hes from the South.

[TheMatrix]

The various stages of my face as I watched this:
Before: :|
During: :eek:
After: :mad:

This guy......just LOL. Brainwashed, bible-thumping, maybe even conservative.
Homophobic certainly fits him.

[PRP97]

I'm a conservative Christian straight kid. I don't agree with this one of my friends is gay I don't think he's going to hell because of it. Just letting you not every republican/conservative is a stereotype.

Yet another egotistical conservative on the Internet tries to tell other people how to live their lives.

I don't think I'll ever understand the philosophical values some people in this country believe in, or where they get the logic to back them up from. The ideas of people like this fuckhead have the consistency of the shit I just took. It's the sad truth that he's one of millions of people just like him who make up the "family values" voters; some of the most disgusting people on the planet, who lack any common sense or the ability to think outside the box. People like LennartSB hate freedom. They piss and shit on freedom every day, and cut away at it until "freedom" only applies to their lives, and not the lives of anybody who doesn't conform to their pretender agenda.

The fact this guy has the audacity to put an American flag up behind him makes me laugh. He hates America, because at the core of American values is the ideal that the individual should be able to live freely, something he can't get through his walnut-sized brain.

My point not everybody from the south that's Christian and conservative. And religious views dont fuck up the world it's the people who take them too far or hate everyone else's.

[Guillermo]

This kid scares me...there's something wrong with his teeth? no? LOL

[Maxxie]

With fucked up teeth like that, no. xD

I second that notion.

[Jess]

I'm sick of people like this. I always see hateful comments on news articles about gay marriage...ignorant and stupid

[Kahn]

Romans 1:26-32

"Because of this, God gave the over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women, and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents' they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Although they know God's righteous decree, that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do those very things but also approve of those who practice them."

Seriously. I fucking hate this religion. No offense to VT Christians, because I know you're out there, but (the majority of) Chrisitans discriminate them because of what the bible says. The bible says also not to have sex before marriage, not to commit adultery, and not to divorce, regardless of circumstance. They don't give a fuck.

With citizens like this in the future, I don't see homosexual marriage being legalized federally. I know my fair share of people like this.

[judahtics]

no contradiction. just because you are born one way, doesn't mean you can't choose something else. i can be born liking woman and choose to go out with a man, even though it's natural to me. it's my choice to go with what's natural to me, or not.

[Angel Androgynous]

no contradiction. just because you are born one way, doesn't mean you can't choose something else. i can be born liking woman and choose to go out with a man, even though it's natural to me. it's my choice to go with what's natural to me, or not.

Lolwut? ._.
If you like women, why the fuck would you go out with a man?
Gay/bi people don't just wake up one day and think: "Hmm, I wanna be discriminated again and bullied today!" ._. It's not a choice. It is a choice to keep it hidden, but they are still gay/bi.
And keeping that hidden won't make them happy....

[judahtics]

i'm not saying they would! i'm saying it can always be a choice. i'm not saying you have to be gay or straight. i don't care what someone is, that's their business. i was simply making the point that we all a choice in life, including we are involved with. i wouldn't ever go out with another guy, but the fact is, i could if i chose to. in the same way a homosexual male, could choose to date a woman if he ever decided to. not that either would ever want to.

[Reiko]

honestly, well im kinda agnostic
but as far as the homo's going to hell comments...its a really obnoxious slur originally made by homophobes in a religion...personally, no1 goes 2 hell 4 their sexual orientation...if they did then "GOD" wud hav 2 be a jerk if he cant accept ppl of a different orientation

[Angel Androgynous]

i'm not saying they would! i'm saying it can always be a choice. i'm not saying you have to be gay or straight. i don't care what someone is, that's their business. i was simply making the point that we all a choice in life, including we are involved with. i wouldn't ever go out with another guy, but the fact is, i could if i chose to. in the same way a homosexual male, could choose to date a woman if he ever decided to. not that either would ever want to.

If a gay guy dates a woman, he's either curious or in the closet. That doesn't make him any less gay.

[judahtics]

i didn't say it would. i wish homo's would stay in the closet and not make a big deal out of their sexuality. there is no need for parades and what not. ok maybe in the closet is the wrong thing. i don't have a problem with someone being gay and i don't think they need to hide it, but i don't think it need to be flaunted either. promoting your sexuality is stupid. the whole, wear a rainbow so everyone knows i'm gay crap is annoying, it's not needed. i should force my school to allow me to make a heterosexual alliance if the ever start a LGBT alliance. if they don't allow it, then they are discriminating against straights. homo's shouldn't get special treatment, but they shouldn't get bad treatment.

[Angel Androgynous]

You said, "Just because you are born one way doesn't mean you can't choose something else."

That's like me saying: Just cuz you're born white doesn't mean you can't choose to be Asian. :P

[judahtics]

you can choose to take to asian culture, eat asian food, and dress in asian clothing. yes, it doesn't make you asian, but by design you have chosen to live as an asian even though you were born something else. i like i said, i'm not saying the would become straight, i'm saying they could choose to be in a relationship with someone else even though it goes against their natural attraction. anyway, i can see this over your head and you can't grasp this conversation. maybe someday you'll be able to, but until then, it's really pointless to talk to you. you aren't able to understand what i'm saying. which really, doesn't surprise me.

[Angel Androgynous]

you can choose to take to asian culture, eat asian food, and dress in asian clothing. yes, it doesn't make you asian, but by design you have chosen to live as an asian even though you were born something else. i like i said, i'm not saying the would become straight, i'm saying they could choose to be in a relationship with someone else even though it goes against their natural attraction. anyway, i can see this over your head and you can't grasp this conversation. maybe someday you'll be able to, but until then, it's really pointless to talk to you. you aren't able to understand what i'm saying. which really, doesn't surprise me.

What I want to know is, WHY would they do that? Being in a relationship with someone means loving them and being happy with them. In that case it'd be neither, and it would be a cover up for their sexuality. I get what you're saying, I just don't get why someone would do that to themself.

Oh and what I was trying to get out of this was to see whether or not you think gays should just choose to date the opposite gender even if it feels unnatural to them. I think in a way, your posts imply that they should, but I am not quite sure. :P

[judahtics]

who knows, possibly embarrassment or pressure. i'm not saying it's the right thing to do or that it should be done. i'm simply saying it could be done. i know it wouldn't be natural attraction and therefore, wouldn't be the same as loving who you are naturally attracted to, but some people have a stronger desire for outside thing, like God. if they believe in God, and would want to please him and not sin, but can't refrain from sex, they would need to marry a woman according to the christian bible. now i'm speaking of christianity and not religions in general, i don't know many religions. i do know with christianity being a homosexual is not sin, but the act of homosexuality is sin. so it's not the attraction, it's the relationship and sex. even straight people are in a sex limitation, no sex without marriage, i know it's different because they can marry and all that, i'm just throwing it in.

[Angel Androgynous]

who knows, possibly embarrassment or pressure. i'm not saying it's the right thing to do or that it should be done. i'm simply saying it could be done. i know it wouldn't be natural attraction and therefore, wouldn't be the same as loving who you are naturally attracted to, but some people have a stronger desire for outside thing, like God. if they believe in God, and would want to please him and not sin, but can't refrain from sex, they would need to marry a woman according to the christian bible. now i'm speaking of christianity and not religions in general, i don't know many religions. i do know with christianity being a homosexual is not sin, but the act of homosexuality is sin. so it's not the attraction, it's the relationship and sex. even straight people are in a sex limitation, no sex without marriage, i know it's different because they can marry and all that, i'm just throwing it in.

I understand that it could be done, it just seemed to me that you thought that it should be done. x) But I see now that you don't. I just don't get why you would make that claim in here though, it kinda implied that that is what you want them to do. You know what I mean?

[judahtics]

it's a fact and it needs to be addressed. you can't attack one side and not be willing to look at all possibilities, even if they seem off the wall and stupid. fact is, what i'm saying is possible and unfortunately, happens all to often. i don't think anyone should have to be someone other than who they were born. i'll be honest, i don't think being a homosexual is "natural", but i don't think it's wrong either. just like i don't think being born with autism is "normal". it just happens and is a fact of life that society has to learn to deal with.

[Angel Androgynous]

I'm not saying you're a homophobe, but...

"Homosexuality is found in over 450 species, homophobia in one. Which one's the unnatural one?"

[judahtics]

it's just a personal opinion. i have nothing against homosexuals, i just personally don't think it's "natural". like i said, i don't think autism is "natural" either, but that doesn't make it wrong. i don't think someone who is a homosexual is "messed up" or anything. they're just different.

[Syvelocin]

i didn't say it would. i wish homo's would stay in the closet and not make a big deal out of their sexuality. there is no need for parades and what not. ok maybe in the closet is the wrong thing. i don't have a problem with someone being gay and i don't think they need to hide it, but i don't think it need to be flaunted either. promoting your sexuality is stupid. the whole, wear a rainbow so everyone knows i'm gay crap is annoying, it's not needed. i should force my school to allow me to make a heterosexual alliance if the ever start a LGBT alliance. if they don't allow it, then they are discriminating against straights. homo's shouldn't get special treatment, but they shouldn't get bad treatment.

Let's tell everyone to stop wearing cancer supporter/survivor bracelets and cancel Black Pride month too because us healthy and white people are jealous of fatal diseases and ancestors that got to be enslaved because of their ethnicity.

While we're at it, let's make it illegal to be proud in general.

[judahtics]

i'd love to stop black history month! and all those other things that cause division. can you imagine what would happen if a straight pride parade was started?

one thing i would like to see at gay pride parades though, since they aren't going to cease to exist anytime soon, is a lack of christian protesters. really, that sickens me. i don't get the point of holding signs, wearing shirts, and yelling at people that they are going to hell, are sinners, disgusting, and all that. it's immature and far from needed. if christians choose to attend, they need to do it with respect. they also need to know some people might not care what they think and be able to handle that without causing emotional harm and torment.

[Syvelocin]

You're missing my point.

While I don't think we should shove that shit in people's faces, I think it's important to be proud of who you are. Wanting to stop other people from showing that pride just because you don't FEEL equal is complete bollocks. I know you said we should get neither bad nor good treatment, but honestly, I feel like it's completely equal because the good treatment makes up for the shit treatment. So until our society becomes a complete utopia there is no reason to not wear a rainbow bracelet and put a damn bumper sticker on your car.

[Angel Androgynous]

i didn't say it would. i wish homo's would stay in the closet and not make a big deal out of their sexuality. there is no need for parades and what not. ok maybe in the closet is the wrong thing. i don't have a problem with someone being gay and i don't think they need to hide it, but i don't think it need to be flaunted either. promoting your sexuality is stupid. the whole, wear a rainbow so everyone knows i'm gay crap is annoying, it's not needed. i should force my school to allow me to make a heterosexual alliance if the ever start a LGBT alliance. if they don't allow it, then they are discriminating against straights. homo's shouldn't get special treatment, but they shouldn't get bad treatment.

If homosexuals were never discriminated against in the first place, they wouldn't do parades or pride groups. If African Americans were never discriminated against, they would've not gotten "Black History month" and so on. Straight people were never discriminated against by the government, and neither were white people, therefore, they do not need special treatment, especially since being straight is the "norm" and being white back then was seen as superior...

Oh and I wear rainbows and make tons of gay acceptance speeches...umad, bro?

[judahtics]

mad? no way. it's your right to sound and look stupid just as much as it's my right to not listen and look away.

[Angel Androgynous]

Soooo


Since when is wearing rainbows stupid?
Or making acceptance speeches? ._.

[judahtics]

and remember, slavery first started among african tribes, history books tend to forget that. and remember, whites also fought to save slaves from their chains. yea, it wasn't an original cause of the war, but luckily it became one. this world will never be able to unite if we keep separating ourselves and saying, my people suffered here! well mine suffered here! i'm over half native american, my bio gpa live on a reservation, i understand things. i have autism and they have autism awareness month, even that bothers me. not because it's bad, but because i don't think one thing should ever be help above the other.

Soooo


Since when is wearing rainbows stupid?
Or making acceptance speeches? ._.

it's all a matter of opinion. instead of fighting you, i would walk away and disagree on that topic.

[Angel Androgynous]

But they aren't seen as superior, those days and months are for people to be AWARE. The point of those days is to educate people.

[judahtics]

unfortunately, it doesn't tend to educate. it tends to cause more division. maybe it differs from state to state and area to area, so really, i am bias to wear i live and the environment i've grown up in and the same goes for you.

[Angel Androgynous]

It's straight day every day. Gay people have a parade once a year... give them a break...

[judahtics]

ummm, no. it's not once a year lol. and having big parades, acting like fools, and segregating themselves isn't helping their cause. trying to blend in would be a better way to accomplish a normal life in this society. gay pride parades are one big reasons people are sooo against the LGBT movement.

[Syvelocin]

ummm, no. it's not once a year lol. and having big parades, acting like fools, and segregating themselves isn't helping their cause. trying to blend in would be a better way to accomplish a normal life in this society. gay pride parades are one big reasons people are sooo against the LGBT movement.

I've seen parties where people were acting about 300% worse and for no reason whatsoever.

Fools? What? It's a celebration. If they were acting the same except the purpose of the parade was different would they be acting any better? I've seen parades just as colourful as gay pride parades but no one gives a shit about them.

A big reason? I don't think the reason so many Christians don't like us is because of our gay pride parades. I don't think that one is on the priority list.

Also, there's only one Atlanta Pride Parade every year. Just saying. I go once a year because there's only one once a year. There may be multiple in LA, New York, but not everywhere.

[Angel Androgynous]

How are they acting like fools? Like Rith said, it's a celebration ... so what is Halloween foolish cuz people dress up like zombies or whatever and go partying? They are having fun...what's the problem? Don't like parades? Don't watch ... oh and it's not like they happen every day....

[judahtics]

i didn't say anything about christians. i said people. didn't mention a group. and if there is a parade in california and georgia, there are at least 2 a year now aren't there? there are several pride parades a year, just not in your area. you need to think globally opposed to just locally seeing as this site is a global place.

[Angel Androgynous]

._. The point is that they don't happen more than once or twice a year in different areas...

[judahtics]

How are they acting like fools? Like Rith said, it's a celebration ... so what is Halloween foolish cuz people dress up like zombies or whatever and go partying? They are having fun...what's the problem? Don't like parades? Don't watch ... oh and it's not like they happen every day....

and i don't watch. just because i don't like it doesn't mean i'm out protesting against it. i'm just stating my opinion as you guys are stating yours. this is called a conversation that you are taking a bit to personally. sometimes it's good to see anothers perspective and be able to understand for just a minute what they see, even if you don't agree.

._. The point is that they don't happen more than once or twice a year in different areas...

well that's not what you said.

[PoseidonX43]

....

[Angel Androgynous]

._. If they happen once or twice a year in California, means it's the same for other places but perhaps at different times. I never said they only happen in California ....

[judahtics]

if i get shot it'll be for something good. not something like this. and i'm not against homosexuals, i think everyone has a right to be who they are. i just think pride parades are stupid, good thing everyone has the right to an opinion. oh yea, and you have the right to agree or disagree, just like i have the right to do the same. lets try having a mature conversation here. can you make a decent statement that isn't a pathetic attempt at a slam?

._. If they happen once or twice a year in California, means it's the same for other places but perhaps at different times. I never said they only happen in California ....

yeah that comment wasn't directed at you. it was from someone else, i should of looked at their name so i could tell you, but look and you'll see.

[Syvelocin]

i didn't say anything about christians. i said people. didn't mention a group. and if there is a parade in california and georgia, there are at least 2 a year now aren't there? there are several pride parades a year, just not in your area. you need to think globally opposed to just locally seeing as this site is a global place.

Uh, duh? :P

Also, Christians make up roughly a third of the population. More than that if we're talking the US population. They have a very large effect. I'm just saying that it's very strange to be against gays just because of a damn gathering if you're not already against them because they're different/of fear/your religion/your bigotry/etc.

Also, I know it's not my modding section, but could you stop double posting please? Thanks. :P

[judahtics]

i'm still confused about your being stuck on christians and i have nothing against homosexuals. i don't like the pride stuff, that doesn't mean i'm against them as people. can you not understand that? also, i don't mean to double post, i thought it meant something else and i don't know how to quote more than one thing in the same post. can you maybe explain how?

[Syvelocin]

i'm still confused about your being stuck on christians and i have nothing against homosexuals. i don't like the pride stuff, that doesn't mean i'm against them as people. can you not understand that? also, i don't mean to double post, i thought it meant something else and i don't know how to quote more than one thing in the same post. can you maybe explain how?

Don't mistake my replies for not understanding. I understand all that you brought up just there. The only thing I don't understand is why it's such a big deal.

I push quote, copy it, then go back and quote the other post and paste what I had copied at the beginning.

[Bougainvillea]

I'm just saying that it's very strange to be against gays just because of a damn gathering if you're not already against them because they're different/of fear/your religion/your bigotry/etc
I don't know why, but the gay pride parades annoy me. Same wth gay people who feel the need to express how gay they are.
"Hi, I'm John. I'm gay" I always see it. I know I shouldn't be mad at others expressing themselves, but most of the gay people I've had the opportunity to meet, are complete fuckhead assholes who are whores. I don't know. I've always been annoyed by people who are, let's face it, aggressive about being gay, along with anyone else.

I guess what really annoys me is if I walked into a room, or introduced myself to someone and went "Hi, I'm Christen and I'm bisexual and if you don't like it fuck off!" I just keep it to myself, because its no one else's business.

I hope I don't sound too bigoted.

[Jimmy Page]

I have two things to say.
1.Calling someones opinions/answers "pathetic attempt of slam" is not a way of having the mature conversation you want.I respect your opinion,but please use other words when having a conversation,calling things stupid or pathetic only weakens your point.

2.Not all places have the things that you talk about,here you can barely tell whats being arranged apart from the banners on each side of the stage saying "Gay days" because people(mainly teens and young adults) come as they are.Its a great way to create tolerance,and to show teens struggling with their sexuality that they are not alone.But to be honest,i think that the parades with the rainbow,pink,leather and such are great,until the world becomes a carefree and open minded society this is the best way for people to boost the confidence that are being stepped on by ignorance and homophobia the rest of the year.

Thats my opinion and if you dont like it thats ok,everyone have the right to have their own opinions,but dont "attack" others opinions while you try to get your point to show

[judahtics]

really, this is a very delicate topic and if i did offend anyone, i'm sorry. i just want to put that out there. i never did mean to and don't intend to purposely offend anyone at anytime. i have grown up with a very diverse group of people in my life and many were gay, i've even shared rooms with them. i didn't like it and it made me uncomfortable, but i think that's somewhat to be expected?

[Syvelocin]

I don't know why, but the gay pride parades annoy me. Same wth gay people who feel the need to express how gay they are.
"Hi, I'm John. I'm gay" I always see it. I know I shouldn't be mad at others expressing themselves, but most of the gay people I've had the opportunity to meet, are complete fuckhead assholes who are whores. I don't know. I've always been annoyed by people who are, let's face it, aggressive about being gay, along with anyone else.

I guess what really annoys me is if I walked into a room, or introduced myself to someone and went "Hi, I'm Christen and I'm bisexual and if you don't like it fuck off!" I just keep it to myself, because its no one else's business.

I hope I don't sound too bigoted.

Oh no, I hate people like that as well, you're fine. I don't meet as many people who do that though, I'd try not to generalize us. I don't do that at least. :P I like to keep religion, sexual orientation, politics, etc. out of the conversation until I know someone better, and as well when it is relevant to the conversation. I'm not going to hide it, if I'm talking about my girlfriend I'm going to say she's my girlfriend, if someone asks me I'll say it, I don't care, but I sure as hell don't introduce myself as being gay from the start.

really, this is a very delicate topic and if i did offend anyone, i'm sorry. i just want to put that out there. i never did mean to and don't intend to purposely offend anyone at anytime. i have grown up with a very diverse group of people in my life and many were gay, i've even shared rooms with them. i didn't like it and it made me uncomfortable, but i think that's somewhat to be expected?

No offence taken, not anywhere near it.

Yeah, that's to be expected. Though would you feel the same if you were sharing a room with a girl is my only question. But honestly, I think I'd feel more than just uncomfortable if I was sharing a room with a guy actually. Yet part of that is trauma. I don't feel uncomfortable with gay girls either, for instance, when I was in the psych ward. As well that might just be because I'm gay myself. :P

[Skyhawk]

Ok, here comes a major quotefest.....


I'm sick of people like this. I always see hateful comments on news articles about gay marriage...ignorant and stupid

Exactly.


everything is a choice, including being straight or gay. being one or the other might not feel natural to you, but you can choose it regardless. personally, i believe some people are born gay and some choose it.

I'm afraid that's rarely the case.



no contradiction. just because you are born one way, doesn't mean you can't choose something else. i can be born liking woman and choose to go out with a man, even though it's natural to me. it's my choice to go with what's natural to me, or not.

To part one of that (bolded), that leads to miserable lives because you would feel as much love, or love at all for the artificial "significant other" that isn't within your orientation.
Part two (italicized): What's natural to you would technically be what your orentation would be anyway. It wouldn't feel right if you were screwing a woman when you would be gay.

Lolwut? ._.
If you like women, why the fuck would you go out with a man?
Gay/bi people don't just wake up one day and think: "Hmm, I wanna be discriminated again and bullied today!" ._. It's not a choice. It is a choice to keep it hidden, but they are still gay/bi.
And keeping that hidden won't make them happy....

That pretty much summed it up.

If a gay guy dates a woman, he's either curious or in the closet. That doesn't make him any less gay.

True.

i didn't say it would. i wish homo's would stay in the closet[u] and [u]not make a big deal out of their sexuality. there is no need for parades and what not. ok maybe in the closet is the wrong thing. i don't have a problem with someone being gay and i don't think they need to hide it, but i don't think it need to be flaunted either. promoting your sexuality is stupid. the whole, wear a rainbow so everyone knows i'm gay crap is annoying, it's not needed. i should force my school to allow me to make a heterosexual alliance if the ever start a LGBT alliance.[b] if they don't allow it, then they are [b]discriminating against straights. homo's shouldn't get special treatment, but they shouldn't get bad treatment.

I disagree with staying in the closet, unlikely that you know what it's like then. Gay pride is flaunted because it's a measure to fight against discrimination. I do agree that heterosexuals and homosexuals should be getting equivalent treatment. So should Sonic the Hedgehog because he's blue.

ummm, no. it's not once a year lol. and having big parades, acting like fools, and segregating themselves isn't helping their cause. trying to blend in would be a better way to accomplish a normal life in this society. gay pride parades are one big reasons people are sooo against the LGBT movement.

No, that's not why. That comment was pure opinion on your end. It's the way people were raised. I don't blame the haters, they were raised on a belief that they feel is the one and only truth. And this is coming from an Atheist.

I've seen parties where people were acting about 300% worse and for no reason whatsoever.

Fools? What? It's a celebration. If they were acting the same except the purpose of the parade was different would they be acting any better? I've seen parades just as colourful as gay pride parades but no one gives a shit about them.

Rainbow Party!!!!!

And now to comment on the video... Hey, where's my weed brownies?! Don't tell me he ate them... :(


Apologies for being behind with this, took 40 minutes to edit. :o

[judahtics]

I have two things to say.
1.Calling someones opinions/answers "pathetic attempt of slam" is not a way of having the mature conversation you want.I respect your opinion,but please use other words when having a conversation,calling things stupid or pathetic only weakens your point.

2.Not all places have the things that you talk about,here you can barely tell whats being arranged apart from the banners on each side of the stage saying "Gay days" because people(mainly teens and young adults) come as they are.Its a great way to create tolerance,and to show teens struggling with their sexuality that they are not alone.But to be honest,i think that the parades with the rainbow,pink,leather and such are great,until the world becomes a carefree and open minded society this is the best way for people to boost the confidence that are being stepped on by ignorance and homophobia the rest of the year.

you need to realize saying someone will get shot isn't appropriate either. not oking my behavior, but try correcting everyone involved, not just one.

QUOTE]I disagree with staying in the closet, unlikely that you know what it's like then. Gay pride is flaunted because it's a measure to fight against discrimination. I do agree that heterosexuals and homosexuals should be getting equivalent treatment. So should Sonic the Hedgehog because he's blue.[/QUOTE]

i said stay in the closet, but then corrected myself and said that was the wrong term. what i mean was there is no need to flaunt your homosexuality around.

[Jimmy Page]

I did,but i used your comment as an example because that one was the first one i found,sorry if it look like i correcting only you

[judahtics]

yea seeing as my comment was in response to someone saying i would end up being shot. before that, we were having a somewhat decent conversation. maybe next time try reading a little more? and the guy making that comment, apparently didn't read either, because i have stated many time, i have no issues with homosexuals, everyone has a right to be who they are born. i support that.

[Jimmy Page]

Not trying to be rude now but,you try to read something properly without sleeping for over a week.

[judahtics]

stop taking meth and you'll be ok . . . and really, that is a bad excuse lol. but i understand.

[Jimmy Page]

What in bloody hell do you mean by stop taking meth?

[judahtics]

people who take meth are up for days on end. i was joking. i'm not saying you're actually on drugs. i mentioned autism in several of my posts, not sure if you read them, but i have autism myself, and it makes the way i come across awkward at times. it also makes what i'm trying to say look wrong or bad. so sorry about that.

[Jimmy Page]

ok,i understand.should have gotten that one :P.Im sorry if i seemed offended there,but ive lost friends to drugs,and the reason ive gotten no sleep is related to that so i got a little upset for no good reason.

[judahtics]

i have one year off heroin on the 20th, so i get it completely. well, you're on uppers and i'm into downers, but both major addictions. anyway, wrong forum for this, but add me if you want.

[Syvelocin]

I've been off morphine for four years. *hug party*

Mmm. Sorry.

I wouldn't blame it on just Autism. I have the same issue. I really hate ROTW most of the time because I never phrase anything right, and I'm criticized for it often and then I end up saying "No, that's not what I meant at all!" constantly. Oh jeez, I feel really off-topic now... sorry GD mods. :whoops:

[judahtics]

between all my stuff, i'm a mess. autism, tourettes, and ocd. i'm a neurological mess lol. i can't word what i'm thinking well. i'm socially awkward and have really bad meltdowns all the time. i go from acting 14 to 8 in seconds. it's tough.

because of that though, i understand the discrimination people go through. i understand why homosexuals want to hide or feel the need to hide. they don't want to get pointed out or get made fun of just like i don't want to be made fun of or called a retard. that's why i really wish people would put all this stuff aside and realize we are united as humans and as nothing else. yes, somethings make certain people more similar and things, but there is no reason we should purposely cause division.

[Angel Androgynous]

Lookit how we turned this thread into a debate.....



The original purpose was to make fun of the little bible thumping cracker in the video.

[ItStOuGhEnOuGh4Us]

I just love idiots like this. he claims to be worried about what the bible states, yet again as with all these Theory-Bashing-Idiots. They often forget what other things are included in the bible. For example, Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. No man shall judge another, let he be judged by God.
But this is a free world, and people like this can speak freely. I can see his parents have raised him perfectly. Another Over Achieving Christian value family.

[FcknMarc]

everything is a choice, including being straight or gay. being one or the other might not feel natural to you, but you can choose it regardless. personally, i believe some people are born gay and some choose it.

^^^ that's a joke right ?
I love how you contradict yourself too lmfao

[judahtics]

^^^ that's a joke right ?
I love how you contradict yourself too lmfao

read the entire conversation and you'll understand. it's not a contradiction. if you believe it is, you aren't understanding what i'm saying and really need to think about what's being said.

[bigdaddy101]

It's unfair how gays are treated most would rather be straight because so many people discriminate them, its terrible!

[Bougainvillea]

read the entire conversation and you'll understand. it's not a contradiction. if you believe it is, you aren't understanding what i'm saying and really need to think about what's being said.

There's really no need because what was said is fucking stupid.

[judahtics]

It's unfair how gays are treated most would rather be straight because so many people discriminate them, its terrible!

yea, it's a sad fact. maybe thing will change? someday? california passed a gay marriage law, then conversatives fought it and it was reversed, but it's still being fought to be reinstated. i hope it is. i'd like to see people be able to marry who they love. i mean, lets just keep healthy and in the species.

I don't know why, but the gay pride parades annoy me. Same wth gay people who feel the need to express how gay they are.
"Hi, I'm John. I'm gay" I always see it. I know I shouldn't be mad at others expressing themselves, but most of the gay people I've had the opportunity to meet, are complete fuckhead assholes who are whores. I don't know. I've always been annoyed by people who are, let's face it, aggressive about being gay, along with anyone else.

I guess what really annoys me is if I walked into a room, or introduced myself to someone and went "Hi, I'm Christen and I'm bisexual and if you don't like it fuck off!" I just keep it to myself, because its no one else's business.

I hope I don't sound too bigoted.

i see your point and somewhat agree. i don't understand why it needs to be announced. maybe it's because i'm not in their shoes. i feel telling someone you are gay once, is enough. there isn't a reason to continue flaunting it.

[RoseyCadaver]

"Good made us in his image."So God has many faces?Two face back stabber!


Wait where to do genderless people go to(or should I say androgynous)?Or cross dressers?What about Trisexuals :P?Is heaven exclusively for heteros?What about asexual people :confused:?


Norly.This guy is a troll.

[deadpie]

no contradiction. just because you are born one way, doesn't mean you can't choose something else. i can be born liking woman and choose to go out with a man, even though it's natural to me. it's my choice to go with what's natural to me, or not.

YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING! Can you literally prove that you can choose? If you're straight, I want you tomorrow to start jerking off to men. Why? WELL YOU CAN CHOOSE CAN'T YOU? You can choose your sexuality in secrecy, so I want you to do EXACTLY THAT!

Oh wait, you don't like guys? Why not? Is it because...you're straight? And you can't choose your sexuality? HMMMMM!!!!! WELL THAT'S VERY STRANGE! Seems like your point is a little INVALID!

You don't have a choice with things you're born with. I was born to like men and women. Some people are born gay and they literally can't even look at a pussy because it grosses them out. Get this through your thick head - people DO NOT have a choice.

Yeah, this is my point. ANY OF YOU that literally think that being gay is a choice... do it. Nobody has to know.

And before you think being gay means just acting like a feminine man, you're damn wrong. Ever heard of the bear community or any of those really buff body builders with deep voices who like taking it in the ass? This says that gay people aren't always like the stereotype. I definitely don't go walking around with a high pitch voice singing stupid fucking Glee songs.

So throw the stereotypical opinions away and do what being gay is. Throw away all your porn mags with tits and hairy cunts. Replace them with long penises and put a naked man on your screen saver. Dwell in homosexuality if you really can choose it. I dare you.

Of course you can lie and say you just did what I said, but it's not like you can give me proof online without getting banned, can you?


So this is where religion comes in - is it really fair to condemn someone to eternal damnation for something they can't fucking control? It means they're fucked from the start. And don't bring up the stupid fucking places that try to convert people to being straight. There's full proof places like that cause teenagers to KILL THEMSELVES or just grow plain suicidal.

Homosexuality isn't unnatural. Why? Because there's animals that are homosexual. That means nature has that ability to be gay. That also makes sucking dick NATURAL.

Also, can someone quote this because of course MY RANT has to be the last post on the page which means most people WON'T FUCKING READ IT?

[FcknMarc]

There's really no need because what was said is fucking stupid.

Exactly.
I respect everyone's opinion but I simply don't agree with that kids.

[Scarface]

YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING! Can you literally prove that you can choose? If you're straight, I want you tomorrow to start jerking off to men. Why? WELL YOU CAN CHOOSE CAN'T YOU? You can choose your sexuality in secrecy, so I want you to do EXACTLY THAT!

Oh wait, you don't like guys? Why not? Is it because...you're straight? And you can't choose your sexuality? HMMMMM!!!!! WELL THAT'S VERY STRANGE! Seems like your point is a little INVALID!

You don't have a choice with things you're born with. I was born to like men and women. Some people are born gay and they literally can't even look at a pussy because it grosses them out. Get this through your thick head - people DO NOT have a choice.

Yeah, this is my point. ANY OF YOU that literally think that being gay is a choice... do it. Nobody has to know.

And before you think being gay means just acting like a feminine man, you're damn wrong. Ever heard of the bear community or any of those really buff body builders with deep voices who like taking it in the ass? This says that gay people aren't always like the stereotype. I definitely don't go walking around with a high pitch voice singing stupid fucking Glee songs.

So throw the stereotypical opinions away and do what being gay is. Throw away all your porn mags with tits and hairy cunts. Replace them with long penises and put a naked man on your screen saver. Dwell in homosexuality if you really can choose it. I dare you.

Of course you can lie and say you just did what I said, but it's not like you can give me proof online without getting banned, can you?


So this is where religion comes in - is it really fair to condemn someone to eternal damnation for something they can't fucking control? It means they're fucked from the start. And don't bring up the stupid fucking places that try to convert people to being straight. There's full proof places like that cause teenagers to KILL THEMSELVES or just grow plain suicidal.

Homosexuality isn't unnatural. Why? Because there's animals that are homosexual. That means nature has that ability to be gay. That also makes sucking dick NATURAL.

Also, can someone quote this because of course MY RANT has to be the last post on the page which means most people WON'T FUCKING READ IT?
Quoted for obvious reasons. Well written post, even though a lot more bold and braver than a lot of people would have been to post, well done. I think when it comes to trolls like this one, it takes a special kind of poster to deal with them. And well I think judahtics just got himself shut down.

I'm gay, I can't honestly say if I was born this way, but I'm not going to sit here and feel sorry for myself and take people with a sorry excuse for a debate involving "god" about my sexuality, because it's bullshit. I don't believe it for one second for everything I've had to endure in my life and for you to say that another part of my life and struggle was because "god" hates me is rather insulting. I'm glad I'm gay because if I was so insecure and deep in the closet like you must be, I'd feel pretty good right about now to be out. Enjoy reading both of our posts man, cuz u dnt kno wht u be tlkin bout.

[FcknMarc]

YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING! Can you literally prove that you can choose? If you're straight, I want you tomorrow to start jerking off to men. Why? WELL YOU CAN CHOOSE CAN'T YOU? You can choose your sexuality in secrecy, so I want you to do EXACTLY THAT!

Oh wait, you don't like guys? Why not? Is it because...you're straight? And you can't choose your sexuality? HMMMMM!!!!! WELL THAT'S VERY STRANGE! Seems like your point is a little INVALID!

You don't have a choice with things you're born with. I was born to like men and women. Some people are born gay and they literally can't even look at a pussy because it grosses them out. Get this through your thick head - people DO NOT have a choice.

Yeah, this is my point. ANY OF YOU that literally think that being gay is a choice... do it. Nobody has to know.

And before you think being gay means just acting like a feminine man, you're damn wrong. Ever heard of the bear community or any of those really buff body builders with deep voices who like taking it in the ass? This says that gay people aren't always like the stereotype. I definitely don't go walking around with a high pitch voice singing stupid fucking Glee songs.

So throw the stereotypical opinions away and do what being gay is. Throw away all your porn mags with tits and hairy cunts. Replace them with long penises and put a naked man on your screen saver. Dwell in homosexuality if you really can choose it. I dare you.

Of course you can lie and say you just did what I said, but it's not like you can give me proof online without getting banned, can you?


So this is where religion comes in - is it really fair to condemn someone to eternal damnation for something they can't fucking control? It means they're fucked from the start. And don't bring up the stupid fucking places that try to convert people to being straight. There's full proof places like that cause teenagers to KILL THEMSELVES or just grow plain suicidal.

Homosexuality isn't unnatural. Why? Because there's animals that are homosexual. That means nature has that ability to be gay. That also makes sucking dick NATURAL.

Also, can someone quote this because of course MY RANT has to be the last post on the page which means most people WON'T FUCKING READ IT?

True Shit !

[RoseyCadaver]

YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING! Can you literally prove that you can choose? If you're straight, I want you tomorrow to start jerking off to men. Why? WELL YOU CAN CHOOSE CAN'T YOU? You can choose your sexuality in secrecy, so I want you to do EXACTLY THAT!

Oh wait, you don't like guys? Why not? Is it because...you're straight? And you can't choose your sexuality? HMMMMM!!!!! WELL THAT'S VERY STRANGE! Seems like your point is a little INVALID!

You don't have a choice with things you're born with. I was born to like men and women. Some people are born gay and they literally can't even look at a pussy because it grosses them out. Get this through your thick head - people DO NOT have a choice.

Yeah, this is my point. ANY OF YOU that literally think that being gay is a choice... do it. Nobody has to know.

And before you think being gay means just acting like a feminine man, you're damn wrong. Ever heard of the bear community or any of those really buff body builders with deep voices who like taking it in the ass? This says that gay people aren't always like the stereotype. I definitely don't go walking around with a high pitch voice singing stupid fucking Glee songs.

So throw the stereotypical opinions away and do what being gay is. Throw away all your porn mags with tits and hairy cunts. Replace them with long penises and put a naked man on your screen saver. Dwell in homosexuality if you really can choose it. I dare you.

Of course you can lie and say you just did what I said, but it's not like you can give me proof online without getting banned, can you?


So this is where religion comes in - is it really fair to condemn someone to eternal damnation for something they can't fucking control? It means they're fucked from the start. And don't bring up the stupid fucking places that try to convert people to being straight. There's full proof places like that cause teenagers to KILL THEMSELVES or just grow plain suicidal.

Homosexuality isn't unnatural. Why? Because there's animals that are homosexual. That means nature has that ability to be gay. That also makes sucking dick NATURAL.

Also, can someone quote this because of course MY RANT has to be the last post on the page which means most people WON'T FUCKING READ IT?

My feelings been expressed about this already by the two users above me(Ronnie and FcknMarc).

But people who say it's a choice(not gay here,but i am bi)make me literary want to kill someone.And Yes,it is in nature.I've seen my two male dogs fuck other males.How the fuck can you deny that isn't natural?Saying being gay or bi is a choice is like saying you can choose to like your foods.You may be able to choose what you eat,but that doesn't mean you like it.

[Angel Androgynous]

YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING! Can you literally prove that you can choose? If you're straight, I want you tomorrow to start jerking off to men. Why? WELL YOU CAN CHOOSE CAN'T YOU? You can choose your sexuality in secrecy, so I want you to do EXACTLY THAT!

Oh wait, you don't like guys? Why not? Is it because...you're straight? And you can't choose your sexuality? HMMMMM!!!!! WELL THAT'S VERY STRANGE! Seems like your point is a little INVALID!

You don't have a choice with things you're born with. I was born to like men and women. Some people are born gay and they literally can't even look at a pussy because it grosses them out. Get this through your thick head - people DO NOT have a choice.

Yeah, this is my point. ANY OF YOU that literally think that being gay is a choice... do it. Nobody has to know.

And before you think being gay means just acting like a feminine man, you're damn wrong. Ever heard of the bear community or any of those really buff body builders with deep voices who like taking it in the ass? This says that gay people aren't always like the stereotype. I definitely don't go walking around with a high pitch voice singing stupid fucking Glee songs.

So throw the stereotypical opinions away and do what being gay is. Throw away all your porn mags with tits and hairy cunts. Replace them with long penises and put a naked man on your screen saver. Dwell in homosexuality if you really can choose it. I dare you.

Of course you can lie and say you just did what I said, but it's not like you can give me proof online without getting banned, can you?


So this is where religion comes in - is it really fair to condemn someone to eternal damnation for something they can't fucking control? It means they're fucked from the start. And don't bring up the stupid fucking places that try to convert people to being straight. There's full proof places like that cause teenagers to KILL THEMSELVES or just grow plain suicidal.

Homosexuality isn't unnatural. Why? Because there's animals that are homosexual. That means nature has that ability to be gay. That also makes sucking dick NATURAL.

Also, can someone quote this because of course MY RANT has to be the last post on the page which means most people WON'T FUCKING READ IT?

I am gonna join the "Let's quote this post club" and say: I agree. x)

When people whine about how being gay is a choice/wrong/unnatural or whatever, it makes me want to rip their eyes out. Even though I am not lesbian/bi myself, I just hate it when people are ignorant like that....ESPECIALLY when people give them the facts....

[Nihilus]

Fuck that ignorant bastard. He doesn't know shit. I dare him to use his brain, instead of spewing the shit his parents and family says.

[FcknMarc]

I am gonna join the "Let's quote this post club" and say: I agree. x)

When people whine about how being gay is a choice/wrong/unnatural or whatever, it makes me want to rip their eyes out. Even though I am not lesbian/bi myself, I just hate it when people are ignorant like that....ESPECIALLY when people give them the facts....

I love straight people who support LGBT rights (:

[Bougainvillea]

My feelings been expressed about this already by the two users above me(Ronnie and FcknMarc).

But people who say it's a choice(not gay here,but i am bi)make me literary want to kill someone.And Yes,it is in nature.I've seen my two male dogs fuck other males.How the fuck can you deny that isn't natural?Saying being gay or bi is a choice is like saying you can choose to like your foods.You may be able to choose what you eat,but that doesn't mean you like it.

Dogs actually do that to show dominance.

[judahtics]

YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING! Can you literally prove that you can choose? If you're straight, I want you tomorrow to start jerking off to men. Why? WELL YOU CAN CHOOSE CAN'T YOU? You can choose your sexuality in secrecy, so I want you to do EXACTLY THAT!

Oh wait, you don't like guys? Why not? Is it because...you're straight? And you can't choose your sexuality? HMMMMM!!!!! WELL THAT'S VERY STRANGE! Seems like your point is a little INVALID!

You don't have a choice with things you're born with. I was born to like men and women. Some people are born gay and they literally can't even look at a pussy because it grosses them out. Get this through your thick head - people DO NOT have a choice.

Yeah, this is my point. ANY OF YOU that literally think that being gay is a choice... do it. Nobody has to know.

And before you think being gay means just acting like a feminine man, you're damn wrong. Ever heard of the bear community or any of those really buff body builders with deep voices who like taking it in the ass? This says that gay people aren't always like the stereotype. I definitely don't go walking around with a high pitch voice singing stupid fucking Glee songs.

So throw the stereotypical opinions away and do what being gay is. Throw away all your porn mags with tits and hairy cunts. Replace them with long penises and put a naked man on your screen saver. Dwell in homosexuality if you really can choose it. I dare you.

Of course you can lie and say you just did what I said, but it's not like you can give me proof online without getting banned, can you?


So this is where religion comes in - is it really fair to condemn someone to eternal damnation for something they can't fucking control? It means they're fucked from the start. And don't bring up the stupid fucking places that try to convert people to being straight. There's full proof places like that cause teenagers to KILL THEMSELVES or just grow plain suicidal.

Homosexuality isn't unnatural. Why? Because there's animals that are homosexual. That means nature has that ability to be gay. That also makes sucking dick NATURAL.

Also, can someone quote this because of course MY RANT has to be the last post on the page which means most people WON'T FUCKING READ IT?

if you actually took the time to read what i've written, you'd see that i agree people are born homosexual. i never denied that fact and i believe people should be allowed to be who they born. i have no issues with homosexuals and feel for the them regarding the hate and discrimination they have to endure. when i used the word choose, i also said it would go against your natural feelings. i don't think it should be done by any stretch of the imagination, hiding who you are isn't something i support. if someone chooses to hide them self, i find it unfortunate.

by the way, i'm not a christian. i just want to put that out there. the home i live in has a terrible problem with hate, because of religious beliefs. they can't stand certain things or people, because the bible says no.

[Bougainvillea]

everything is a choice, including being straight or gay.

Not one person can choose it. If it doesn't feel natural, and you had to make the decision, then you are not gay. You can do homosexual things, like put a throbbing hard cock in your mouth hole. But you are not gay because it is not a choice.

[Julien7]

0 proof that jesus ever said that... - -

[judahtics]

Not one person can choose it. If it doesn't feel natural, and you had to make the decision, then you are not gay. You can do homosexual things, like put a throbbing hard cock in your mouth hole. But you are not gay because it is not a choice.

you would be choosing to be in a homosexual relationship, but i agree you wouldn't be "becoming" gay.

[Scooby Dooby Drew]

But people who say it's a choice(not gay here,but i am bi)make me literary want to kill someone.

Well that's just a NOVEL idea. I'll be READING all about this in the newspapers tomorrow. Who knows? Maybe somebody will WRITE a whole BOOK about it! AH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA.

Anyways, props to deadpie. That was simply a wonderful rant to read.

[Bougainvillea]

you would be choosing to be in a homosexual relationship, but i agree you wouldn't be "becoming" gay.

Okay. Who's side are you on?

All you've been doing is picking and choosing what you want to agree with, but then you just contradict yourself when your not very good argument gets shot down.

[judahtics]

when i was talking about choosing and possibilities, it was just a scenerio. it's something that happens, so it's something i mentioned. as i've been saying this whole time is i believe people are born gay, like i said, read my posts and you'll see that.

i don't like all the gay flaunting like parades and stuff, but i have no problems with gay people whatsoever. it's not that i'm changing my position, it's that i'm stating different view points and never really stated mine very strongly.

[dontcare97]

If this little kid would stop spouting ignorant crap, maybe he'd have time to check his facts. God, one didn't make man and woman in his image. He made only man. A woman was taken from a man's rib. Does that mean woman are lesser then man? No it doesn't.
Do you know all the other sick stuff that's in the bible? Incest and under aged sex are reoccurring themes in the bible. All he does is repeat "you're going to hell, I'm sorry but it's the truth." In fifty different ways.

[judahtics]

If this little kid would stop spouting ignorant crap, maybe he'd have time to check his facts. God, one didn't make man and woman in his image. He made only man. A woman was taken from a man's rib. Does that mean woman are lesser then man? No it doesn't.
Do you know all the other sick stuff that's in the bible? Incest and under aged sex are reoccurring themes in the bible. All he does is repeat "you're going to hell, I'm sorry but it's the truth." In fifty different ways.

it seems like that's the typical approach to "helping a homosexual find Jesus" these days. lets say a homosexual did want religion, i don't think telling them they're going to hell is a good way to do it. you'd think you'd want to start out as friends, state your opinion and why, then allow them to make the choice on what the believe in regards to homosexuality and religion on their own.

it's people like this that make me unable to stand religion!

[dontcare97]

i'd love to stop black history month! and all those other things that cause division. can you imagine what would happen if a straight pride parade was started?

one thing i would like to see at gay pride parades though, since they aren't going to cease to exist anytime soon, is a lack of christian protesters. really, that sickens me. i don't get the poin t of holding signs, wearing shirts, and yelling at people that they are going to hell, are sinners, disgusting, and all that. it's immature and far from needed. if christians choose to attend, they need to do it with respect. they also need to know some people might not care what they think and be able to handle that without causing emotional harm and torment.

What? What? Black people where enslaved for 250 years, not given the same freedoms until 100 years later, and even today black people don't have the same rights. We get paid less and are treated with suspicions in the work space. Whenever has a white man ever gone to jail or put to death over touching a black woman? Whenever was a white men forced to get the worst education and was prosecuted when he tried to fight against that?

I'm sorry that black history is only celebrated for 28 days a freakin year.

[judahtics]

What? What? Black people where enslaved for 250 years, not given the same freedoms until 100 years later, and even today black people don't have the same rights. We get paid less and are treated with suspicions in the work space. Whenever has a white man ever gone to jail or put to death over touching a black woman? Whenever was a white men forced to get the worst education and was prosecuted when he tried to fight against that?

I'm sorry that black history is only celebrated for 28 days a freakin year.

don't forget, slavery originally started in africa and actually in bible times, if you believe in the bible, you can trace it back to then. even native americans had slavery.

[dontcare97]

don't forget, slavery originally started in africa and actually in bible times, if you believe in the bible, you can trace it back to then. even native americans had slavery.

So? American slavery was the only one in history based on race. Africans enslaved other Africans, Native american enslaved Native Americans.

Forgetting just the slavery bit, how about the injustice and killing that cam after it? Even today a black man or woman would get paid noticeably less than their white counter parts.

Ever heard of the movie/book Freakonomics? They told about a study done, sending two exactly the same resume to thousands of companies. The only difference was the name, one was Tyrone the other Tyler. Because Tyler was a common white name, he got 33% more callbacks then Tyrone, only on name alone. Stuff like that happens today.

[judahtics]

nope never heard of it. i'd be willing to read it though. and you keep pointing out blacks, but you should include women in that statement as well.

[dontcare97]

I'm a black female so I know all about gender in justice. Women as well make less than males too and Women History months is in March. But we aren't talking about that are we?

They are the groups with considerably less power throughout history and have been severely discriminated against.My grandfather knows people who were lynched, you don't here about stuff like that happening to white men do you?

My point is African Americans have earned it.

[Commander Thor]

Seeing as this has turned into more of a debate....

TWPR :arrow: ROTW

[judahtics]

I'm a black female so I know all about gender in justice. Women as well make less than males too and Women History months is in March. But we aren't talking about that are we?

They are the groups with considerably less power throughout history and have been severely discriminated against.My grandfather knows people who were lynched, you don't here about stuff like that happening to white men do you?

My point is African Americans have earned it.

white men were beat for helping jews, blacks, and american indians on top of other races, yes, it was a mass issue, but don't act like it never happened. i do understand it wasn't as "bad", but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[deadpie]

I'm a black female so I know all about gender in justice. Women as well make less than males too and Women History months is in March. But we aren't talking about that are we?

They are the groups with considerably less power throughout history and have been severely discriminated against.My grandfather knows people who were lynched, you don't here about stuff like that happening to white men do you?

My point is African Americans have earned it.

Yeah, because every other single color, race, and religion hasn't been subjected to violence and discrimination before. You literally think only black people have gone through this?

Nobody has to "EARN" there freedom or rights for what they're born with. The rights should be given no matter what. Jewish people shouldn't of had to be gassed and Black people shouldn't of had to stand up next to Lincoln Memorial to make a point. In the late 1800's italian's shouldn't of had to be killed just because of the stereotypes they were subjected under in America.

A prime modern example right now would be islamophobia, which I think is fucking wrong. They're getting it a shit load here in America.

Also, I bet you've never heard of the Anti-Irish sentiment.

you think gays don't deserve a parade or the rights? Why not? Oh wait, what if it's a gay african american? I mean, sure he has his right and he's apparently earned his parade march according to you, but he hasn't earned his gay parade or freedom.

Give me a break. You're either for equality or not, which means you accept all or you don't. I mean, you don't have to accept all, but that'd just be hypocritical and something a bigot would do.

Maybe I'm reading your post wrong. If I am, sorry.

[Angel Androgynous]

Yeah, because every other single color, race, and religion hasn't been subjected to violence and discrimination before. You literally think only black people have gone through this?

Nobody has to "EARN" there freedom or rights for what they're born with. The rights should be given no matter what. Jewish people shouldn't of had to be gassed and Black people shouldn't of had to stand up next to Lincoln Memorial to make a point. In the late 1800's italian's shouldn't of had to be killed just because of the stereotypes they were subjected under in America.

A prime modern example right now would be islamophobia, which I think is fucking wrong. They're getting it a shit load here in America.

Also, I bet you've never heard of the Anti-Irish sentiment.

you think gays don't deserve a parade or the rights? Why not? Oh wait, what if it's a gay african american? I mean, sure he has his right and he's apparently earned his parade march according to you, but he hasn't earned his gay parade or freedom.

Give me a break. You're either for equality or not, which means you accept all or you don't. I mean, you don't have to accept all, but that'd just be hypocritical and something a bigot would do.

Maybe I'm reading your post wrong. If I am, sorry.


I think what she meant was that because of what gay people go through, they deserve parade/celebration/pride rights just like any other group that has been discriminated against...

[Bougainvillea]

I think what she meant was that because of what gay people go through, they deserve parade/celebration/pride rights just like any other group that has been discriminated against...

My point is African Americans have earned it.
Nope.

[Angel Androgynous]

Maybe she was using African Americans as an example to back up her point?


*Edit* Never mind, she changed the subject to African Americans, however, she did not say that gay people did not deserve their parades. ^_^

[Bougainvillea]

Did you not read her post?

"You don't hear that happening to white men."
She was not using examples. She was clearly claiming black people and women have had more hardships. She didn't even mention gays. She's just comparing and downsizing experienes.

[Angel Androgynous]

Ah... well she should've since that's what the original debate was about... but she still did not clarify her position on gay pride parades, so, based off the fact that she supports pride holidays and such, ithat she is in support of gay pride parades as well...

[AltoVaughn]

Hmmmm, what shall we do about him?!?

Stick his hand into a garbage disposal and turn it on then pour salt all over the wounds afterwards. >.> Maybe I'm cruel.

[Maxxie]

Stick his hand into a garbage disposal and turn it on then pour salt all over the wounds afterwards. >.> Maybe I'm cruel.

Maybe instead of salt, acetone?

[Angel Androgynous]

Vodka and limes.... then pull those ugly teeth out.




Then make him eat salty limes....

[Spock]

u no i can respect homosexuals but abortion is killing a person but that is my view i dont judge

[Angel Androgynous]

u no i can respect homosexuals but abortion is killing a person but that is my view i dont judge

Lolwut. What does abortion have to do with this?

Sweetheart, homosexuals are a group of people who are way more likely...




to never get an abortion!

[Jess]

u no i can respect homosexuals but abortion is killing a person but that is my view i dont judge

what does abortion have to do with this subject? It's a completely different topic.

[RoseyCadaver]

Maybe instead of salt, acetone?

Hey! :P


But nosrly.


People will always judge,be it people born that way or not.It's very sad too :(.

[dontcare97]

Yeah, because every other single color, race, and religion hasn't been subjected to violence and discrimination before. You literally think only black people have gone through this?

Nobody has to "EARN" there freedom or rights for what they're born with. The rights should be given no matter what. Jewish people shouldn't of had to be gassed and Black people shouldn't of had to stand up next to Lincoln Memorial to make a point. In the late 1800's italian's shouldn't of had to be killed just because of the stereotypes they were subjected under in America.

A prime modern example right now would be islamophobia, which I think is fucking wrong. They're getting it a shit load here in America.

Also, I bet you've never heard of the Anti-Irish sentiment.

you think gays don't deserve a parade or the rights? Why not? Oh wait, what if it's a gay african american? I mean, sure he has his right and he's apparently earned his parade march according to you, but he hasn't earned his gay parade or freedom.

Give me a break. You're either for equality or not, which means you accept all or you don't. I mean, you don't have to accept all, but that'd just be hypocritical and something a bigot would do.

Maybe I'm reading your post wrong. If I am, sorry.

One I was talking to him about specific black history month. then he brought up women. Two, I don't think that black people and women are the only ones that desevre it but I was talking about black people and women because I can relate to it more than a gay pride.I was using an example. Yea i knew about the anti Irish sentiment but not enough to use in examples.

Yes, I do feel like the American White men hasn't gone through as much hardships, out that doesn't mean that i think the problems they have are trivial. The whole arguments is based on Black history month because that's something i can talk about without looking like an ass.
Want to know how i feel? go read my thread on pride and history months. I support all of them.

[Abigballofdust]

He's probably gay and cannot accept it.
Poor guy. I understand him.
Someone should penetrate him anally and then see what happens Inappropriate comment removed.

[egotistic]

well i wouldnt say anything to homos but personaly i think they are freaks cuz why would u have sex with the same person its weird and immoral

god made us so we can have relationshps with the opossite sex but now because of 'soceity' we have gays? its wrong

[Magus]

god made us so we can have relationshps with the opossite sex but now because of 'soceity' we have gays? its wrong

It's because of "society"? it's because homosexual are born like this--they are born homosexuals. And if you believe in God, he made them like this.

[Rainstorm]

well i wouldnt say anything to homos but personaly i think they are freaks cuz why would u have sex with the same person its weird and immoral


I believe you mean same gender, not same person. I can't stick my dick up my own ass.

[deadpie]

well i wouldnt say anything to homos but personaly i think they are freaks cuz why would u have sex with the same person its weird and immoral

Because it's natural? Like I said, there's many animals who have teh buttsecks, which means nature is homo. Homo=nature=natural. It's only immoral because people are immature and don't know how to deal with diversity, so they plunge it as far as they can into religion and children to make sure everyone knows how "wrong homosexuality is", even though it's quite right and fun.

god made us so we can have relationshps with the opossite sex but now because of 'soceity' we have gays? its wrong

1. God doesn't exist
2. Your reason is invalid

That would be according to my simple standards, but OK! I can see the majority of VT are believers, so I'll just elaborate more.

- The reason gays have been coming out more in society is because our society is actually getting BETTER and more approving of people. That's also the reason why the growing hatred for gays has happened, because everyone's confused. It's not that confusing. So a gay guy is more likely to come out in this year then of lets say, a hundred years ago. People are more accepting.

- All because you think something is nasty doesn't mean it's nasty to everyone or it's unnatural.

- List of animals displaying homosexual behavior (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior). Once you've looked at that link and researched about every animal on there, then continue onto this list.

- Gay people cannot just magically convert strength with this so called "strength of God". You wouldn't know unless you're gay what it's like. Being gay means you ONLY like men, not women. Meaning you cannot get turned on my a girl no matter what she's doing to try to please you. maybe in some instances it COULD work, but probably not.

- Something you're inherited or born with shouldn't be something you should be hated for.

- You know, it's possible Jesus could of been gay (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1487002/Jesus-might-have-been-homosexual-says-the-first-openly-gay-bishop.html).

But I don't believe he ever existed, but that's for you guys to read.

[Jess]

well i wouldnt say anything to homos but personaly i think they are freaks cuz why would u have sex with the same person its weird and immoral

god made us so we can have relationshps with the opossite sex but now because of 'soceity' we have gays? its wrong

YOU think it's weird. not everyone does. and who cares what gender another person is attracted to? mind your own business. there are better things to worry about.

[ForrestBri]

everything is a choice, including being straight or gay. being one or the other might not feel natural to you, but you can choose it regardless. personally, i believe some people are born gay and some choose it.It doesn't really matter what you personally believe if the evidence contradicts it now does it? And it is proven that sexuality is not a choice. You can not choose who you are attracted to. It just happens; and the evidence is on my side.

[Angel Androgynous]

well i wouldnt say anything to homos but personaly i think they are freaks cuz why would u have sex with the same person its weird and immoral

god made us so we can have relationshps with the opossite sex but now because of 'soceity' we have gays? its wrong

._.


You really think being Gay is all about butt fucking and scissoring? :rolleyes:

Has the idea of LOVE ever come to your mind? I think Deadpie explained it excellently...........



But honestly if you are just gonna be a closed minded bible thumper there would be no point in getting frustrated and trying to have a decent conversation with you because you will always try to use "God" to back up your ridiculous statements.

[DarkHorses]

First of all the whole comment that "God made us for the opposite gender," is bull shit. How the hell do we know how God made us? Just because it seems more 'normal' for a man and a woman to have sex doesn't mean that being gay is wrong. Second, we're ALL sinners. No sin is greater than another. Lying, cheating, being gay. They're all the same in Gods eyes. So if a gay person that believes is going to Hell, so is anyone else that has sinned and believes. What makes being gay so different than all the other sins? I don't understand. And, I don't even believe it's a sin.

It didn't seem normal for someone to suddenly show up and claim to be the son of God. It didn't seem normal for Jesus to perform miracles. It didn't seem normal, so he was crucified. And these idiots are crucifying Jesus over and over again, only in the form of homosexuals, in the form of Muslims and anyone who believes differently. Just because something isn't normal or what's to be expected doesn't mean it isn't right.

When Jesus was here he was friends with the sinners. He ignored the rich ones who thought they were perfect. And he chose the outcasts, the ones that everyone else hated. So I can't wait till Jesus comes back to earth and these fucking morons realize how wrong they are. But then again, they're so ignorant they probably wouldn't know the truth if it was staring them in the face.

[judahtics]

It doesn't really matter what you personally believe if the evidence contradicts it now does it? And it is proven that sexuality is not a choice. You can not choose who you are attracted to. It just happens; and the evidence is on my side.

if you actually took the time to read on in this conversation you'd see i said to choose to go against natural feeling would be a choice. not that it would change your orientation. also, if someone is bi and chooses to be with the same sex, that is choosing homosexuality isn't it? that's an honest question. i'm asking because they like the opposite sex also.

[Maxxie]

If we are, at least we'll have hot water. It's probably a very nice spa.

[Angel Androgynous]

If we are, at least we'll have hot water. It's probably a very nice spa.

Yeah if heaven is full of homophobic bible thumping bigots, I wouldn't wanna go there anyway. See ya in hell, buddy. (:

[Maxxie]

Yeah if heaven is full of homophobic bible thumping bigots, I wouldn't wanna go there anyway. See ya in hell, buddy. (:

And hopefully Mitch Hewer? ;)

[Modus Operandi]

I will never understand why people like this exist. Two gay men marrying doesn't effect his life in any way whatsoever, other than to offend his precious fucking misguided sense of morality. I don't give even half a fuck what people do in their bedrooms. It's their business, not mine.

[TheTrevor]

that kid is scary. like inbred scary...lol

[huginnmuninn]

[QUOTE=Daylight;1393082]. No sin is greater than another. Lying, cheating, being gay. They're all the same in Gods eyes. QUOTE]

sorry but what about the seven deadly sins? they are above the others arent they?

totally off topic but i felt like mentioning it

[judahtics]

[QUOTE=Daylight;1393082]. No sin is greater than another. Lying, cheating, being gay. They're all the same in Gods eyes. QUOTE]

sorry but what about the seven deadly sins? they are above the others arent they?

totally off topic but i felt like mentioning it

the 7 deadly sins where actually created by the pope, taken from scripture, but created by the catholic church, if that makes sense. biblically, they are sins that lead to death and are an abomination, which are the same as all sin. now most of the sins in question are actually sins against the body. sins against the body are considered worse because it's the temple of the holy spirit. also, the main sin above all sins, is blasphemy.

[Jess]

I will never understand why people like this exist. Two gay men marrying doesn't effect his life in any way whatsoever, other than to offend his precious fucking misguided sense of morality. I don't give even half a fuck what people do in their bedrooms. It's their business, not mine.

exactly! and two women too


and if someone is so preoccupied in what someone else's sexuality is, they have a major problem. there are better things, OTHER things to worry about. it's none of their freaking business.

[DarkHorses]

Just wanted to point out that if I remember correctly, all sins are equal in the fact that they are punished by eternal damnation, but not in the terms of forgiveness.

Romans 8:1 So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus.

This is what those people are forgetting. Jesus died so that we could be saved from our sins. That means, if homosexuality is a sin, it is forgiven if you believe. If every sin is equal in eternal damnation, then every sin is equal in eternal life. No one lives life perfect. If it is a sin, it is forgiven the second that you believe.

However, I find the comment "homosexuals aren't born homosexual," to be extremely ignorant. Who would CHOOSE to be discriminated against, to live a more difficult life because of their sexuality? I don't know many people who, if given the choice, would choose to be gay. It's sad, but it's the truth.

[RoseyCadaver]

However, I find the comment "homosexuals aren't born homosexual," to be extremely ignorant. Who would CHOOSE to be discriminated against, to live a more difficult life because of their sexuality? I don't know many people who, if given the choice, would choose to be gay. It's sad, but it's the truth.

THIS.

I can't tell how many people who are homosexual or bisexual(along with myself as a bisexual) to say this.I most definitely wouldn't be this if I had a choice.No,I don't think it's immoral,it's just hard.

Most people I know who are discriminating and think it's a choice probably never been out casted for what they are(and if they have then there is something wrong with wanting to do it someone else,Js).People are trained by their parents(or someone) to be discriminating,it's their choice to go along with it or not.If they do,they're more likely to spread it too.In fact,hate is like the common cold,it comes it all shapes and forms,but you still know what it is.

[Angel Androgynous]

I always say:
It's not a choice to be born male or female. It's not a choice to be black, white, Hispanic, Native American, or Asian. It's not a choice to be straight, gay, or bi....

but it is a choice to be a hater.

[StoppingTime]

Edited

[Angel Androgynous]

How could you know it isn't a choice?? If it wasn't, do you think that from the day a kid (male in this case) is born, he will never have any doubts about his sexuality and wanting to change it?

How do you know what isn't a choice?
Of course there are doubts! There are doubts about being straight, there are doubts about being gay and there are doubts about being bi, but that is all a part of growing up and hormones. A kid will think he's bi because he finds guys a turn on, but he never sees himself with a guy. Confusion? Yes, but he is more than likely just curious.


I said this once and I will say this again:
Gay people don't just wake up one fine morning and think: OH HEY! I wanna be bullied today! I want basic human rights taken away from me, and I want to be discriminated against! What fun! :D

No. Just... no.

[embers]

How could you know it isn't a choice?? If it wasn't, do you think that from the day a kid (male in this case) is born, he will never have any doubts about his sexuality and wanting to change it?

Be real. Kids aren't aware of their sexuality until they've hit puberty or post-puberty. It's only around then that you realise what gender you're sexually attracted to, and it's usually something you don't have any control over. By that time kids are also aware of the social implications of being gay, which is why they probably wouldn't 'choose' to be it.

I think that with enough willpower, somebody can find attraction in the opposite sex, but people don't have that much willpower, and that's why it is probably primarily a genetic thing.

[Maxxie]

Be real. Kids aren't aware of their sexuality until they've hit puberty or post-puberty. It's only around then that you realise what gender you're sexually attracted to, and it's usually something you don't have any control over. By that time kids are also aware of the social implications of being gay, which is why they probably wouldn't 'choose' to be it.

I think that with enough willpower, somebody can find attraction in the opposite sex, but people don't have that much willpower, and that's why it is probably primarily a genetic thing.

Attraction is not bloody willpower, mate. Sure, you maybe can change your temporary attractions through sheer force of will, but that's just that: temporary! Go ahead, attempt, for yourself, to make yourself homosexual, or a sexuality completely different that what you are at the moment, and try maintaining that for your entire life.

Doesn't work.

You don't like a certain genre of music, right? You don't CHOOSE that. You don't really like the way a certain piece of clothing looks on you, right? You don't CHOOSE that.

It's the same with sexuality. Hell, attributing sexuality to willpower is like saying if you think really really hard, you'll make your dick bigger because you WANT IT TO.

Not happening, mate.

Not saying you have a small penis. Making a point.

[embers]

Attraction is not bloody willpower, mate. Sure, you maybe can change your temporary attractions through sheer force of will, but that's just that: temporary! Go ahead, attempt, for yourself, to make yourself homosexual, or a sexuality completely different that what you are at the moment, and try maintaining that for your entire life.

Doesn't work.

You don't like a certain genre of music, right? You don't CHOOSE that. You don't really like the way a certain piece of clothing looks on you, right? You don't CHOOSE that.

It's the same with sexuality. Hell, attributing sexuality to willpower is like saying if you think really really hard, you'll make your dick bigger because you WANT IT TO.

Not happening, mate.

Not saying you have a small penis. Making a point.

Stop looking for a homophobe to bash, you won't find one here. Of course I fucking know sexuality isn't a choice, what I meant to say was that regardless, a person with enough willpower can find attraction (whether sexual or not) temporarily within another gender. The only problem with that is that almost no person actually has the will to do that temporarily, let alone maintain it for the rest of their lives. That's one of the reasons why you can safely conclude that sexuality is a matter of genetics and not choice.

[Maxxie]

Stop looking for a homophobe to bash, you won't find one here. Of course I fucking know sexuality isn't a choice, what I meant to say was that regardless, a person with enough willpower can find attraction (whether sexual or not) temporarily within another gender. The only problem with that is that almost no person actually has the will to do that temporarily, let alone maintain it for the rest of their lives. That's one of the reasons why you can safely conclude that sexuality is a matter of genetics and not choice.

Point taken, and I wasn't trying to find a homophobe to bash. I just get a little... brash? I guess, when I see someone say "it's a choice". My bad. :(