Death Sentence ,do you think it is a cruel punishment?

[wk3096]

Death sentence is the worst sentence there is in America. i think there shouldn't be death sentence. In amendment 6 we have the right not to get cruel and unusual punishment. I believe that taking life of another person ,who made a bad mistake, is not right. i believe that USA should get rid of death sentence.

[schrei jess]

Yeah, I dont agree with the death penalty. The kind of people that get the death penalty are like serial-killers, and by killing them - we are no better than them. Killing them does not undo the deaths they caused. It wont bring back those who died.

[DestroyTheFuture]

i dont.

The death penalty is exterminating a criminal that committed the highest crime possible. Amendment VI says this because they are obviously referring to torturing someone. If they were referring to killing a mass murderer, then we wouldnt have the Death Penalty.

Also, dont you think someone who killed 10 people should be killed too? This isnt just to kill someone, its to insure that the criminal can never hurt the lives of anyone else. Yes, there is LIPWP (Life in Prison Without Parole) but that is keeping the criminal in there for his whole life. If he didnt want to be killed, then he shouldnt have killed others.

Also, the death penalty acts a great deterrent for further executable crimes. A criminal has the fear of being killed himself if he kills another.

Also, killing someone is not just a 'mistake'. It is a well thought over decision by the murderer...and if they didnt think about it, then what does that tell you?

[DestroyTheFuture]

Yeah, I dont agree with the death penalty. The kind of people that get the death penalty are like serial-killers, and by killing them - we are no better than them. Killing them does not undo the deaths they caused. It wont bring back those who died.

No, but it insures the victims loving families that the killer cant harm them or anyone else ever again.

When the criminal is dead, it ensures safety.

[schrei jess]

Life in Prison is worse than death. With death, they get a way out. By being in prison for life, it's just like dying, only worse. You have no hope of ever being outside of that prison, it's going to be that way for the rest of your life, misreble.

If he gets killed, he gets an escape, who knows what comes after life? Sure, in my religion - he'll more than likely be going to hell, and that's terrible, but...who really can say what will happen? For all we know, life after death is a fricking utopian paradise.

[DestroyTheFuture]

No, he does not get an escape. Escape is him escaping prison and killing others and getting away with it.

Jess, im not going to rant on your beliefs. But in my opinion, when you die, you have no afterlife, or no regardance to any memories. To me, that all just seems foolish and something that was made up to make people be good in their life.

[schrei jess]

Well, see what happens when you dont believe in the afterlife? Serial-killers most likely have no faith, so they have no reason to be good or to follow the laws, they dont believe they will have to suffer for it. If people just believed, or at least thought about it more, less things like this would happen.

And by killing him, you END his suffering. Life in prison is a misreble way to live life, he would suffer greatly. Why not prolong his suffering for the awful crimes he committed, make him /want/ to die, but not be able to. Now that, that is punishment.

[DestroyTheFuture]

No Jess

I think the reason that you have these views that death is a good way out on problems is because you have contemplated suicide before. I dont agree with your views because i dont think that death is a solvent to problems.

[schrei jess]

Uhm. No Hockey.

That isnt where my view is coming from, Ive had these views since before any of my suicidal tendencies started, and you need to leave that out of this, it has nothing to do with it, dont drag my personal problems into this.

[DestroyTheFuture]

It does have a lot to do with it, because what you emotionally feel effects your political decisions.

I will leave it out of it, because it is your choice, but im holding my argument that i:

Dont think that death is a way out of things.

[Bankai15]

Death sentence is the worst sentence there is in America. i think there shouldn't be death sentence. In amendment 6 we have the right not to get cruel and unusual punishment. I believe that taking life of another person ,who made a bad mistake, is not right. i believe that USA should get rid of death sentence.

You said we dont have the right to give cruel and unusual punishment, true but anyone that gets the death penalty did something pretty bad to deserve it, a life for a life is what I belive. And plus do we need someone else crowding up our prison systems for their entire life?

[serial-thrilla]

im all for the death penelty! not so much the american system though, they go waaay to easy on them. I say once your convicted of a crime worthy of the death penelty they take you outside of the courthouse and shoot you. Good citizens tax dollars shouldnt be thrown away to feed those wastes of life.

[Ethannnnnn]

accidently double posted

[Ethannnnnn]

it really depends on what type of crime they commited like if they raped someone then shot that persons faimly i agree line that person up against a wall and shoot them. but if they only kill one person it should just be life in jail

[Hyper]

See firstly living your entire life in a jail is worse than getting killed painlessly

But the prisons have been turned into some vacation camps, the prisoners should do some kind of work and be useful in a way

And if a human kills another without right, why should we have the right to kill him?

[0=]

Actually, the ways we terminate people in this country are exceedingly painful.

[DestroyTheFuture]

See firstly living your entire life in a jail is worse than getting killed painlessly

But the prisons have been turned into some vacation camps, the prisoners should do some kind of work and be useful in a way

And if a human kills another without right, why should we have the right to kill him?


It doesn't work like the Hyper. That's not a good question to ask. The reason why we have the right to kill him is because its the law. We are taking him off the streets and making sure that he cant harm anyone ever again. By killing the killer, we are assuring families that he will never be able to harm them ever again.

Yeah and secondly, if i had a choice of the Death Penalty or Life in Prison, i'd take Life in Prison. Why? Because you still get to see your family, you still get to see the future, you still get to learn from your mistake and you can possibly receive parole if the crime you did wasn't EXTREMELY bad. Yeah and let me reexplain what the different methods we kill people are in the US: Death by Firing Squad, Electric Chair, Lethal Injection, Gas Chamber, and Hanging.

The Quickest Deaths from 1-5, 1 being Quickest
1. Firing Squad
2. Electric Chair
3. Lethal Injection
4. Hanging
5. Gas Chamber

See, with the Firing Squad, you hear and gun shot and thats the last thing you'll ever hear. With the Electric Chair, you get electrocuted and 90% of the time, you will die within the first Electrocution 9% you will die by the second Electrocution, and 1% you will die by the third Electrocution. How much would it suck to have to get reelectrocuted? Lethal Injection also does not kill you instantly, they inject poisonous fluid into your bloodstream and you die a painless death. Hanging goes wrong sometimes and you dont always die 'when the floor drops'. And the Gas Chamber...you feel your lungs collapse and your internal organs hurt like no other. Then you die within a few minutes.

By the way, i'm for the Death Penalty

[Maverick]

Actually, the ways we terminate people in this country are exceedingly painful.
Don't kill someone and you won't have that problem.

[DestroyTheFuture]

Don't kill someone and you won't have that problem.


exactly, and also, Anthony, please take my quote off before i report you for harassment. No one thinks its funny, and, that sentence makes perfect sense anyways so you just look weird with it in there.

[Maverick]

I'm free to quote whoever I want in my signature. If you don't like it good luck finding someone who cares. Having a quote in my signature is no way harassing you. If you're threatened by it suck it up and get over it.

[DestroyTheFuture]

fine w/e

[schrei jess]

Actually I think it's very funny, Alex did too :]

[serial-thrilla]

Actually, the ways we terminate people in this country are exceedingly painful. oh yeah the sharp needle could give you a booboo.

[Whisper]

oh yeah the sharp needle could give you a booboo.


But don't worry!! they disinfect first so they can't get an infection!

personally i wouldn't kill'em
when it comes to rapists, pedofiles, molesters, killers
I want them to live a loooooong horrible life
I want them to beg plead and pray for death to come

put'em in sendep (Sensory deprivation is the deliberate reduction or removal of stimuli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stimulus_%28physiology%29) from one or more of the senses.)
take everything away
no light
no sound
no touch
taste
or smell period
giv'em drugs to paralyze them so they can't move at all

trapt in your own mind?
no ability to interact or even be aware of the surrounding enviroment
lets see how long youd last


i'm sadistic like that

[Hyper]

Right.. 'laws' let us act like we are complete judges over a person, but the fact is that ppl who are innocent do get sentenced and the jury thing is completly bshit in my opinion.. Actualy any human decideing over the death of another is bshit because humans are manupalitive and follow desires, and I doubt the great sleeping guard in front of some door will stop someone from offering some presents for a decision and neither will it stop those ppl from getting reached by the media, and it realy only takes 1 person to keep everyone in there for months untill they decide that they want to go home

[0=]

FYI lethal injection is incredibly painful, and the needles occasionally comes out. Death by firing squad is incredibly painful, especially if they miss the mark. The electric chair is also quite painful. Hanging is nearly painless if all goes as planned. The only painless death would be by strapping explosives to the back of the head or death in a nuclear explosion. Either way, we shouldn't kill people.

[DestroyTheFuture]

FYI lethal injection is incredibly painful, an the needles occasionally comes out. Death by firing squad is incredibly painful, especially if they the mark. The electric chair is also quite painful. Hanging is nearly painless if all goes as planned. The only painless death would be by strapping explosives to the back of the head or death in a nuclear explosion. Either way, we shouldn't kill people.



wow. does a flu shot hurt too? awwww. Firing Squad is only painful for less than a second. The shooters are the world's best snipers and they will hit their mark 99.99% of the time. dont try to come back on that because .01% is not an argument. where do i get my facts? well, just because there has never been a sniper whos missed the mark ever recorded in US History.

[0=]

The chemicals in the injection are painful.

[Hyper]

There is also the factor that the 'law' is no different than the killer

[Sapphire]

I disagree with the death sentence. The whole point behind punishment is to pay for "offending" society, hence the name "offeneders". If you kill them they it is as if they are only paying for a part of their crime. You can't kill someone after they are already dead so where is the great punishment?

I think we should chuck them all in to a huge dark dank pit. We should not spend millions to grant child molesters/murderers their own apartments complete with private gym and money if they keep it tidy.
They are the scum of the earth and deserve nothing more than the dark dank pit I have mentioned. The misery, hardship and merciless existence they would endure is more fitting when compared to the few seconds/minutes they would experience with capital punishment.

Also, capital punishment cannot be reversed. No one can be brought back from the dead.
There was a case not long after WW2 in London. A guy called Christie murdered a woman and her baby (along with many others) But when it went to court, he manipulated the situation. The judge decided that the husband had murdered both his wife and his child. He was sentenced to death. Few years later they found the bodies of Christie's other victims in his garden and the walls of his house and he was sentenced to death also. The husband had not only lost his family, but was accused and hung for murdering them, when he was 100% innocent.
If one is imprisoned for the above scenario, he could at least have a chance to live a decent life again.

Actually I think it's very funny, Alex did too :] So did I :]

[Melchi0r]

Murderers, rapists, pedophiles, counterfeiters, and other criminals who commit big crimes should not be executed. It's not justifed, IMO.

War criminals, like the Nazis with their death camps, maybe should be executed depending on the horror of their crime. Every Nazi running the death camps and concentration camps I think deserved execution.

[serial-thrilla]

The chemicals in the injection are painful.how painful? i really doubt its that bad at all.

[Dante]

I am not for the death penalty for dif reasons.

1) The Government shouldnt be playing God
2) Killing them does not bring back the victims
3) I just have this thing about people dying.

I understand people do heinous things, hence they should spend life in prison without the possibility of parole.

[serial-thrilla]

yes they stay and jail and all of our tax dollars pay for them to eat and live.

[Underground_Network]

Thats fucked up, even though I know that, I still think its extremely stupid that we pay for the assholes who get themselves locked up, our precious money goes into funding prisons, and buying their food and living conditions. For those who commit minor crimes, okay fine, but for murderers, rapists, etc., I don't wanna keep them alive with my money. Fine don't kill them, but don't make me pay for them. I don't have to pay taxes, not yet, but when I do, why should I pay the government, if they're going to use a portion of my money, that I could use for being good, to someone who has done something bad. Our reward for being good citizens, is throwing our money away to keep prisoners, aka people who are not being good citizens, alive? Fuck that. I don't support the death penalty 100%, and I know that an eye for an eye makes everyone blind, and a tooth for a tooth means no pretty smiles, but still the government should find a different way to fund prisons. I don't want to pay for someone elses crime. Isn't that injustice? Paying (in terms $$$) for someone else's crime. I refuse to pay to keep some son of a bitch who decided to kill someone alive. I don't care what you do with them, ship them to Antarctica for all I care, just don't make me fucking pay for them. Death penalty or not, good citizens, paying for bad citizens=wrong.

[0=]

How about we put them on an island and let them fend for themselves. If they try to escape we can detonate a bomb attached directly to their brain. No money needed after they are put there with farming tools and everything.

[Hyper]

Or how about we make them work in the prisons, perhaps grow their own food and produce something in jail

[0=]

That still means that we have to have guards and a facility.

[Hyper]

Like prisons already don't have guards? And you bring the facility to the prison

[Underground_Network]

We could make them live inside an active volcano, and regenerate dinosaurs and place the dinosaurs inside the volcano, and have the prisoners fend for themselves... Or if we wanted to cut down on costs, instead of human guards, we could use monkey guards, and we could pay them in fruit.

[Sapphire]

We should just create this gigantic pit and chuck them all in there. That way we don't pay for their living expenses because they will all rot in their own filth after a while.

[Underground_Network]

This is turning into an extremely strange debate, but we could throw them on some deserted island, and place an electric fence around it, as well as place devices that electrocute anyone who touches the water, and have them cannibalize each other to survive. Eventually they'll die out, criminals will see what happens if they get caught, and crime rates will drop to unheard of lows.

[DestroyTheFuture]

yeah, OR you can not be a sick freak and want to watch people get their heads eaten. And, also, if we were to do anything like that, we, as the USA, would be declared war upon by many different countries because of their disagreement.

[Underground_Network]

Yes, but I refuse to pay for prisoner's living conditions. For all I care they can go fuck themselves, I'm not wasting my precious money to keep some sick bastard alive. If someone kills someone, and shows no remorse, I think for them to realize what they have done, they themselves must be killed. I will not pay to keep a psycho alive, they could put a gun to my head, and say pay or else, and I'd let them pull the trigger. Not paying for prisoners, gets you in prison... Kind of ironic ain't it?

[serial-thrilla]

lol, i guarentee when you have a job and have to pay income taxes you will do it, because you dont have a choice.

[Ethannnnnn]

Murderers, rapists, pedophiles, counterfeiters, and other criminals who commit big crimes should not be executed. It's not justifed, IMO.

War criminals, like the Nazis with their death camps, maybe should be executed depending on the horror of their crime. Every Nazi running the death camps and concentration camps I think deserved execution.

Murderers, rapists, pedophiles i still say people like this should be executted

[DestroyTheFuture]

Yes, but I refuse to pay for prisoner's living conditions. For all I care they can go fuck themselves, I'm not wasting my precious money to keep some sick bastard alive. If someone kills someone, and shows no remorse, I think for them to realize what they have done, they themselves must be killed. I will not pay to keep a psycho alive, they could put a gun to my head, and say pay or else, and I'd let them pull the trigger. Not paying for prisoners, gets you in prison... Kind of ironic ain't it?



what if its your brother? your sister? your mom? your dad?



yes, i do have your balls in a vice

[Hyper]

Yes, but I refuse to pay for prisoner's living conditions. For all I care they can go fuck themselves, I'm not wasting my precious money to keep some sick bastard alive. If someone kills someone, and shows no remorse, I think for them to realize what they have done, they themselves must be killed. I will not pay to keep a psycho alive, they could put a gun to my head, and say pay or else, and I'd let them pull the trigger. Not paying for prisoners, gets you in prison... Kind of ironic ain't it?


Sorry but anyone who thinks like that or suggests anything like that is the same or worse, a sick human being who likes the idea of someone suffering

You are overlooking 1 huge fact that the legal system is the all knowing being which sends everyone who is guilty in jail, no if the president was a sick bastard noone would know because it would be covered up, if some business man was a sick freak he could just buy hes way out

And now what the fuck is wrong with your thinking? As I said before the only problem with them is the fact that they don't do anything in jail, they could be used as a workforce in jail they could even grow their own fucking food and even bring in an income

And do you know that in some countries prisoners get even charged for their jail time ( food and some other expenses ) which 90% of the time sends them back to jail cuz they can't pay shit cuz not many ppl wan't to give ex cons a job...

And no your idea that ,, if the punishments are so scary they'l stop '' work because look at fucking Texas you can go to jail for 99 years, for an armed robbery where no one is hurt

[Underground_Network]

I also know that innocent people are jailed sometimes, but if you read one of my earlier posts, I said that criminals who commit lesser crimes, in which no one is traumatized/hurt physically/emotionally, that I wouldn't mind paying for their living conditions, I'd be a little annoyed, but life's life, and there's nothing you can do about it. But I really don't want to have to pay for someone who killed someone else to live, even if they deserve a second chance. Does a killer deserve a second chance, if their victim can't have a second chance? Pedophiles, are actually on my list of lesser criminals, they don't deserve to die, but I think we should do something that at least does not have as big an impact on our taxes with prisoners/criminals, like put them in the army and ship them off to Africa, where they're free to indulge on their sick habit of slaughter, of course, they would get in more trouble if they killed innocents, but this is provided they only kill enemies, and possibly help the troubled nations in Africa. I don't really know, I just don't want to pay to keep a murderer or rapist alive, I couldn't live with myself if I did, and eventually I probably will. But as I said prior, not paying for prisoners gets you put in prison, rather ironic ain't it?

[DestroyTheFuture]

give us all an example of a crime that does not involved being hurt emotionally, physically, or traumatized.

[Aηdy]

I haven't read much of this but here's my view, i think the death sentence should be for murderers, rapists, pedophiles, and people who attemp murder. But the problem is, there could be a case that a person is wrongly convicted for a crime they didn't do, its unlikely, but then an innocent person would have been killed.

[Ironic Infidel In England]

Murderers, rapists, pedophiles, counterfeiters, and other criminals who commit big crimes should not be executed.

Since when were counterfeiters on a level with the other three?

How about we put them on an island and let them fend for themselves. If they try to escape we can detonate a bomb attached directly to their brain. No money needed after they are put there with farming tools and everything.

Last time we did that, minus the bombs, we got australia, which is full of good people. good luck making it work better this time.

[Underground_Network]

We could put them on mars....

[Ironic Infidel In England]

You know, that sounds completely rubbish. Do you know how much it costs to send a shuttle to mars? Me neither, but it's a lot.

[Underground_Network]

We could make them fight in Iraq, with supervision, and water guns instead of real guns as well. :P

[Ironic Infidel In England]

That's a good idea. Send the psychopaths to the other psychopaths.

[Underground_Network]

Or, my last idea, we could send them to Luxembourg and then drop a nuke on Luxembourg, but that would probably have repercussions, effecting Switzerland as well as surroundiing countries, and would actually be an alternate form of the death penalty in which innocents would die... Hmmm... wait... People live in Luxembourg?...

[Ironic Infidel In England]

and while we're at it, why don't we make the hungry eat the homeless and solve three world problems in one go?

[Hyper]

and while we're at it, why don't we make the hungry eat the homeless and solve three world problems in one go?



Hahahah exactly!

Will you ever understand?

Hate only causes more of it..

[Underground_Network]

The two As, abhorrance and arrogance, are the main reasons as to why the world is fucked up! To eliminate prisons, kill anyone who commits a crime!

[Hyper]

The two As, abhorrance and arrogance, are the main reasons as to why the world is fucked up! To eliminate prisons, kill anyone who commits a crime!


Sure in an ignorant and hateful way that could work, except we don't know 100% if someone did commit a crime, and no matter how cruel a punishment is someone will still do it :P

[Underground_Network]

Hmmm, we could chain them to a chair in their house until trial, and then if convicted we could kill them :P

[serial-thrilla]

im sure your opinion would change if you were convicted for a crime.

[Underground_Network]

I know, I'm not being serious, my best friend has been arrested, I'm not stupid, I'm just thinking of funny, strange suggestions, as that is what this thread has turned into, if you want me to be serious, just tell me that you would like to seriously discuss this topic. If so, then I think the death penalty is justified for those who commit extremely heinous crimes, but I also think someone should start a thread on overcrowded jails so we can discuss that.

[Hyper]

I don't consider killing someone funny

[Underground_Network]

I didn't mean funny... I don't know what the word is... Maybe sardonic? What ever, I didn't mean it, but I do think that certain criminals should be put to death.

[Ironic Infidel In England]

Look, read mine and Underground_Network's post on page 6 of this thread, then you'll get it.

[Underground_Network]

Hmmm, now I figured it out, at first I was mad/pissed, which is why I said that we should just kill anyone who commits a crime, and then I was just being sardonic when I posted it the second time saying we should chain them and wait till trial.

[*lynn*]

i believe in the death penalty. but i believe that it should only be reserved for repeat offenders who have murdered, raped, and committed other various heinous crimes. i don't think that those types of offenders (if they have repeated the same acts over and over) should be allowed the privilege of living in our prisons. not when there is television, internet, and other various "fun" activities available.

[theonetheycallbob]

i dont.

The death penalty is exterminating a criminal that committed the highest crime possible. Amendment VI says this because they are obviously referring to torturing someone. If they were referring to killing a mass murderer, then we wouldnt have the Death Penalty.

Also, dont you think someone who killed 10 people should be killed too? This isnt just to kill someone, its to insure that the criminal can never hurt the lives of anyone else. Yes, there is LIPWP (Life in Prison Without Parole) but that is keeping the criminal in there for his whole life. If he didnt want to be killed, then he shouldnt have killed others.

Also, the death penalty acts a great deterrent for further executable crimes. A criminal has the fear of being killed himself if he kills another.

Also, killing someone is not just a 'mistake'. It is a well thought over decision by the murderer...and if they didnt think about it, then what does that tell you?

You are correct about the amendment but however i DO NOT agree with the death penalty at all. I think that it is murder. Why commit the crime the criminal committed in the first place. I consider condemning someone to death God's job. If a human takes the life of another human intentionally it is murder. Murder is a sin and SHOULD NOT be committed.

[MoveAlong]

I think the only people that deserve death sentances in America are mass murders who have started wars. I think if we could of captured Adolf Hitler, we should of fried him or something.

[bahari mtoto]

I really don't think the death sentence is cruel and unusual
ONLY because it is used exclusively on the people who have commited the highest crime possible.

[*Dissident*]

As Michael Franti said:

The government says thas killin's a sin, unless you kill a murderer with a lethal syringe....