Homosexuality?

[Ironic Infidel In England]

Destroy the Future, come up with some new points, or admit you've lost. There's no need to make yourself look any more stupid.

[MoveAlong]

DUDE, don't take the denotation, realize it's no more than a hyperbole to drive my fact in further.

Also, he ignored my post, GO GET TURNED ON BY POOP.

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I don't know what provoked this but I didn't try to insult you and I did say 'no offense'.
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Why is everyone being an ass in this thread?

[Mannequin]

i love how hypocritical you are. you just AVOIDED my proof on how i completely used your dumb ass argument on yourself. Also, if you knew anything about debating, then you would know that you leave the parts out that make yourself look bad. this makes you look better in front of the audience judging you. But, because i agree with getting all sides of an argument, i don't agree with making yourself look good by not answering questions.

Umm, no. Everyone here disagrees with you. Weren't you Mr. peace awhile ago? What happened? Actually, you just admitted to looking bad in certain areas and avoiding those areas..which inevitably makes you look worse.

also, how do many know that your real because you met someone from VT before? you haven't met MANY, you've met ONE person. everyone else you believed that person should reconsider their judgment because they don't know that the person that you met was telling the truth. this is a big and important philosophy that i go by, as saying, "you shouldn't believe something until you witness it for yourself."

but, good job buddy, you met someone from a teen website. everyone loves you now!

I don't associate with people I haven't seen on a webcam or spoken on the phone/seen in person. I actually don't think I'm better than anyone for meeting someone online..but obviously you assume what you think.

Also, maybe you should take your own philosphy! You aren't GAY so you cannot speak for a GAY person!!!

you also look stupid, because your debating methods are completely idiotically incorrect. everything that you say to me about how my debate lacks true competition and how i don't answer any of our questions is exactly what you do. i DON'T do that and my debating is near perfect, where as yours is nowhere near...sorry.

You are the only one that agrees with this. Please take time to read others posts above mine--only stating my positive skills to where as no one even recognizes yours because you have none! Please explain to me why people like my ideas and agree with ME and NOT YOU? You are avoiding the homosexuality debate because you know I am right and you are wrong.


and the scientist thing. it doesn't matter if i went to Harvard (ex.) for any medical studying, or if i didn't. it plays some extent, because USUALLY the Harvard student would do better, but its been proven wrong on many occasions.

these occasions are the list of people that i wrote down earlier.

Albert Einstein
John Pemberton
Matt Stone
Trey Parker
Frank Lloyd Wright


Actually it would matter if YOU specifically went to Harvard because you are no where near as intellectually inclined as these fine scientists who are self-sufficient and well spoken individuals. To where as you spill false facts and have no prove of yours. I do not need proof because I am not claiming that homosexuality is chosen by people that are gay.

i do agree however, that if you go to Harvard (or any other school that is prestigious), that you have a better chance of being smarter than a person who didn't. but, i am saying that it has been proven wrong on several occasions.

one actual example...me

i am an aspiring architect. i have won many awards from my state for my projects. i have professionally designed 1 of the major buildings in my city by myself, and i have worked with other architectural firms to build 2 more of the major buildings in my city. additionally, i have designed 6 residential houses. the combination of the houses' square footage totals over 25,000 square feet.

Actually they cannot be professionally designed unless you have your degree. Once again...
Also, stick to architecture. If you have won so many awards I'd imagine you would stick to what your good at instead of "debating" or "experiments with gay friends you probably don't have."

now, i haven't gone to a great art school, although i am extremely talented. i am more experienced, and also more talented than many architecture school graduates throughout the country. but the fact is that i don't need to receive great education to be better than the people who did receiver great education.

I don't really believe you nor do I care. Why would you be wasting your time bragging to people that don't know you, love you, or even care about you?
If I am wrong, please design a house a not a shit load of lies. You need an education because you lack education.

i am also NOT naturally architecturally gifted. i am naturally artistically gifted. i have always been a great artist and my dad is a real estate agent. put these two together and it basically spells out architecture. this started when i was 8, and i went to one of the bigger houses that my dad sold (9,000 sq. ft.). i was completely amazed and so i went home, grabbed computer paper, and designed my own house. throughout the years, i have kept this activity in my long term goals, and i have become extremely gifted, but i have received no education.


I don't give a fuck. I am a national level swimmer and soon to be a national level runner. I get plenty of recognition for my athletic abilities as well as for my near perfect GPA in school. I have my own set of accomplishments that are far more recognized and publicized than yours. Unlike you, I have legit proof of my talents, but I would not risk allowing others to see where I live or the general location because of creeps like yourself.



personal proof. but, that goes back to my other thing, how you cant necessarily believe me. I'd understand if you didn't believe me, but since i have witnessed this, i DO believe me. if you tell me that what i said up there was bullshit, not only will i laugh, but i will also see you as a complete asshole if i haven't already.

i have never changed my argument. show me proof, and i will be ready to defend and prove how i haven't changed my argument.


suck it.

I already told you how you have changed it. Read the beginning post of this thread and then read the post in which you have told Alex that it is "only possible" to chose to be gay where as in the beginning you stated that everyone was born straight.

I am in no way an idiot and no one here except you thinks that I am. People in this thread only have utmost respect for my personal opinions and debating methods. No one has even expressed an interest in yours. You only listen to yourself speak, which is why nobody here likes you.

EDIT: Please answer the questions we have proposed to you earlier, inquiring minds want to know of your professional experiments...LOL

[DestroyTheFuture]

Destroy the Future, come up with some new points, or admit you've lost. There's no need to make yourself look any more stupid.


coming from the kid who has a virtual family of boys.

and, i dont need to come up with new points because i feel that my main and first points are strong enough to convince the readers.

even if i did, i'd basically have to change my main argument in order to come up with other points, and im not going to change my main argument.

thirdly, Mannequin, i told Alex that it is possible (not ONLY possible) to choose to be gay. i accidentally left out the part where i thought that it was impossible to be gay and not have chosen to be that way.

[Mannequin]

coming from the kid who has a virtual family of boys.

and, i dont need to come up with new points because i feel that my main and first points are strong enough to convince the readers.

even if i did, i'd basically have to change my main argument in order to come up with other points, and im not going to change my main argument.

thirdly, Mannequin, i told Alex that it is possible (not ONLY possible) to choose to be gay. i accidentally left out the part where i thought that it was impossible to be gay and not have chosen to be that way.

You already told us that you think it's impossible to be gay and have not chosen. No one agrees with you!! you are an idiot who has no idea what he is talking about. you have convinced absolutely no one that you can chose to be gay so i have no idea why you feel that your points are strong enough to influence readers, because no one is influenced..just angry with you! Also, why don't you respond to my damned long post fucker!

[Octo22]

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I don't know what provoked this but I didn't try to insult you and I did say 'no offense'.
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Why is everyone being an ass in this thread?

I apologize then for somewhat "kerploding".

I did overreact, although I didn't really insult you :/
Just trying to say I was overexagerating for effect.


coming from the kid who has a virtual family of boys.

Insult, useless. Waste of your and my time.


basically have to change my main argument


Well, if to counter a point you'd have to change your point. Then you've lost the debate. Your fact should hold true no matter what is thrown at it. You've admit defeat. Thank you :D

[DestroyTheFuture]

Well, if to counter a point you'd have to change your point. Then you've lost the debate. Your fact should hold true no matter what is thrown at it. You've admit defeat. Thank you :D


WTF? are you on LSD?

How the hell have i admitted defeat?

you have completely misunderstood something, and you need to reread another thing. Then, you need to edit your post to reword your sentence to make it sensible.

[Octo22]

WTF? are you on LSD?

How the hell have i admitted defeat?

you have completely misunderstood something, and you need to reread another thing. Then, you need to edit your post to reword your sentence to make it sensible.

Ok, let me put this "simple" terms for you, young lad.

Person 1 is you.
Person 2 is us.

Person 1: IM ARGUING A POINT.
Person 2: But what about this? *brings up retort or similar rebuttal*
Person 1: I'm going to ignore that because I'd have to change points completely, cuz that makes mine wrong.

That's how you're coming across.

With at least 4 people posting massssive posts and you completely ignoring them, claiming them to require you to leave your point, you've lost.


Basically, if in an argument, you completely ignore a side or point. YOU LOSE.

[DestroyTheFuture]

okay, well, this is my response.

Mannequin is a shit spitter and so most of the things that he says are mostly rambling and useless words. so, fr me to respond to him, it takes too much of my time to type everything, and so i just choose not to respond to him.

to anyone else, i usually don't see. maybe you should tell Mannequin to stop posting his long responses, because thats usually the thing that i read first, and then i might forget about the others.

heres my way to fix this: i'd appreciate if you could quote the unanswered things and i will do my best to answer them.

also, please tell me how if i dont respond to something because it leaves my main point, how i lose. i don understand the concept in that.

if you ignore a side, then you probably will/do lose, but a point, no.

i havent ignored any sides. some points, maybe, like a said, quote them and i will do my best to answer them, but sides are much more noticeable than points.

[Ironic Infidel In England]

coming from the kid who has a virtual family of boys.

So? I don't see what this has to do with anything. I do not claim they are my real family.

and, i dont need to come up with new points because i feel that my main and first points are strong enough to convince the readers.

Convince the readers? If you read this thread, you will see that noone has posted to say they agree with you!

Also, you continally ignore argumants which you cannot beat. either argue against them or admit you are wrong!

[Octo22]

i'd appreciate if you could quote the unanswered things and i will do my best to answer them.


Here's what I got out of that.

Blah blah blah

insult
blah blah blah

I'm too lazy to look back on things I've already ignored 20 times

blah.

Also, I'd be quoting entire posts, if you're in a debate don't be lazy.

[Whisper]

Calm down or i'm locking it

[Octo22]

Calm down or i'm locking it

Sorry if that was directed at me, I may seem heated but am still rather neutral.

[MoveAlong]

to be honest, i've read..very little of this thread..hell, it's 21 pages, I can't sit still long enough to read that, but from the last couple pages i've gotten the movement of this thread..

DTF...honestly, how in the hell do you know? you trying to decide for gay people how their lives and discoveries are is like me trying to know what it's like to be the jolly green giant - it's not gonna happen.

explain one thing:: how would you know if you're not gay? and your "friend" doesn't count. that's not you. you're not feeling/thinking what your "friend" feels. so..how would you know? honestly. please explain.

Well obviously I'm not going to get an answer for my argument so I hope you do David

[Mannequin]

Calm down or i'm locking it

why can we never have a heated debate? if we didn't enjoy it we would not still be posting. fighting is fun..

[DestroyTheFuture]

explain one thing:: how would you know if you're not gay? and your "friend" doesn't count. that's not you. you're not feeling/thinking what your "friend" feels. so..how would you know? honestly. please explain.


i know i'm not gay, because i didn't choose to be attracted to males.

[Whisper]

Then do it on msn Austin
Your resourceful use your imagination

Fighting’s against site rules
Above all you should know that
Been here long enough

[Dante]

i see nothing wrong with a debate that is heated! but fighting is a no no!...so lets try to keep it civil.

[redcar]

i know i'm not gay, because i didn't choose to be attracted to males.
So when did you choose to be straight?
And at the point before you made that choice what were you? Bisexual? Had no sexual feelings what so ever?

[DestroyTheFuture]

And how do you know what gay people feel then?

You seem like you can't answer that question.

Personally, I see why everyone else is pissed off at you, but people with the 'NANANAAANA my opinion is better!!" attitude don't seem worth wasting my time. Sometimes it just goes unsaid when someone lacks the skill to prove their point.

you spelled "NANANAAANA" wrong.
its supposed to be "NANANANAAAANA"
silly.

i DONT know what gay people feel, because im not gay. this topic wasnt started on what gay people feel, it was started on my philosophy that i believe that people who are gay chose to be gay.

So when did you choose to be straight?
And at the point before you made that choice what were you? Bisexual? Had no sexual feelings what so ever?

i've been straight as a known fact to myself to since i was 5.this is because that i dont remember fond memories before that and i an not 100% sure if they are exaggerated or not, so i have decided not to include them. basically, i have been straight since i was in a civilization where i was surrounded by others my age 3/4 of the year. before i can remember being straight, i could have been straight, gay, bisexual, or asexual. i was most likely asexual or straight already.

[Mannequin]

you spelled "NANANAAANA" wrong.
its supposed to be "NANANANAAAANA"
silly.

i DONT know what gay people feel, because im not gay. this topic wasnt started on what gay people feel, it was started on my philosophy that i believe that people who are gay chose to be gay.

Harhar you're hilarious...
You cannot claim it to be fact if you do not know what they feel. Yet, you did claim it to be fact. You claimed to have done studies--you claimed to know it all, but you know nothing because you are not gay!




i've been straight as a known fact to myself to since i was 5.this is because that i dont remember fond memories before that and i an not 100% sure if they are exaggerated or not, so i have decided not to include them. basically, i have been straight since i was in a civilization where i was surrounded by others my age 3/4 of the year. before i can remember being straight, i could have been straight, gay, bisexual, or asexual. i was most likely asexual or straight already.

You are born the way you are. You cannot force yourself to be gay in any way. Try having sex with a man and enjoying it!! You couldn't possibly do it unless you were gay! You did not choose to be straight. You cannot buy gay kids and I certainly did not chose to be gay. TELL me that it was my choice to be gay. I can not help it, so i except it!!

[redcar]

i've been straight as a known fact to myself to since i was 5.this is because that i dont remember fond memories before that and i an not 100% sure if they are exaggerated or not, so i have decided not to include them. basically, i have been straight since i was in a civilization where i was surrounded by others my age 3/4 of the year.
This is perfect evidence of you not knowing what you are talking about.
Let me analyse it slightly, and point out exactly where your arguement collapses.

i've been straight as a known fact to myself to since i was 5
How do you know that? Being gay or straight or bi, involves being sexually attracted to someone. At 5 you were sexually attracted to someone? I doubt it.

[Mannequin]

Actually Alex, it's pretty possible he was. I remember getting excited over jafar from aladdin when I was like 4 or 5...haha

[Hyper]

DTF Your posts are extremely annoying to read.. And under the annoyence was nothing worth reading :rolleyes:

And yeah.. I realy don't think that when you were 5, you consiusly( My bad english ) decided that you were straight? So what were you doing before that.. Like Alex sayed did you have no feelings at all or were you bi?...

I don't realy have anything new to add here except that all you've been doing for the last 4 pages is rambleing and insulting someone..

[DestroyTheFuture]

How do you know that? Being gay or straight or bi, involves being sexually attracted to someone. At 5 you were sexually attracted to someone? I doubt it.

lol, no, seriously.

i WAS sexually attracted to my "best friend" (i guess thats what parents call girlfriends when you are young?). her name was Abby. i don't remember doing anything sexual except kissing her (i felt like a badass) but it was mostly because i wasn't aware of what you would do except kiss a girl.

[DestroyTheFuture]

ANNOUNCEMENT: THIS IS FOR EVERYONE WHO TOLD ME THAT NOBODY AGREES WITH ME AND THAT IT IS EVERYONE AGAINST ME

There is no such thing as being born gay, its your own damn choice if you want to be gay or straight or bi

Puberty Forum- "problem problem problem" Page 1

no you are very very very wrong! one is not born gay, it is the sociaty around the person!
for example: if you have 4 sisters and a mom, and no DAD, this may cause you to think like a girl would, you mite talk like them, or even be atracted to guys like them,

but no one is born gay! no one! homosexuality is not a brain disorder, it is what you think is right

personaly myself am straight

no one is born gay!:P

Puberty Forum- "problem problem problem" Page 4

The second quote was about Nurture vs. Nature. its different than my argument, but it is similar as well.

ENOUGH SAID

[0=]

Hyper's was months ago. He could have changed his mind, which he obviously has. Plus, he's not gay, so his opinion on the subject doesn't really matter. Also, are you that desperate that you're digging through the puberty forums for support? Give us some scientific facts like a study. If no facts can be found, then I guess you're screwed.

[redcar]

DestroyTheFuture would you mind not making double posts in future. Just edit the original to add more info.

And also I think its desperate times when you are refering to a 14 year old straight guy who made 11 posts for your conclusive information on homosexuality.

[Hyper]

So now instead of saying anything you waste your time for finding my unexplained opinion?

I belive it's a sort of a choice in the subconsious.. Because I don't recall fully acknowledging that I am straight or anything alike.. But this debate is about your opinions not mine.. And I think yours got lost somewhere 10 pages ago

[DestroyTheFuture]

no see, Mannequin and other members gave me a hard time because nobody agrees with me. my previous post was solely posted to prove that people do agree with me.

sure, they COULD have changed their mind, but it still shows that my views aren't uncommon. in fact, the friends that ive been comfortable to talk to this about (2) have agreed with me as well.

yes, we are all straight, but it doesnt matter. im not trying to "feel" what a gay person feels. im telling you guys that i simply believe that Homosexuality is a choice, not a "destiny" or an uncontrollable characteristic.

also, i do a lot of posts in the puberty forum, to help out many different people, and i was looking through a thread which showed me these posts. so no, im not "desperate" digging through the puberty forum. i was looking through it one day and i found those two posts.

[Maverick]

no see, Mannequin and other members gave me a hard time because nobody agrees with me. my previous post was solely posted to prove that people do agree with me.
A lot of people in the world do agree with you. It's just that VT has more people that disagree with you. VT just a grain of sand of the whole world. Not to say that it makes the opinions insignificant or worth less.

[RowanVer.3.0]

I'm pretty sure you're born gay : /

Who would want to be gay in a world that discriminates them so dang much? I know I found girls attractive at a young age... I remember seeing a girl in a movie when I was like 5 and thinking how pretty she was.

I think that gay people have a different psyche, whether from being molested, or just out of the nature of things. It's a mental thing, I think.

That's my 10 cents.

[rEpReSsIoN.?]

I think homosexual organizations are far too passive in there organizations now a days because there are still people out there putting homosexual people down and calling them mentally ill, or a wrong way of lifestyle and this is accepted by society like racism was accepted in 1960 America... i think more gay, lesbian and bisexual people should stand up and fight for freedom of homosexual people all over the world, where people can still be hanged and put in prison... also homosexual people should attack the society which makes them feel wrong ...'how can love that feels so right be so wrong'- as i said once because i was depressed because society makes me look bad- the stereotypical pink camp guy who gets aids and dies which is nothing like me... yes homosexual people have better equal rights in the western world than 30 years ago, but if i go walking down the street holding hands with my boy friend i will be either beaten up or people will shout abuse at me and it is the homosexual society which needs to combat the homophobic society which is freely portrayed in TV makeing teenagers and kids think being gay is wrong and evil e.g. 'that is so gay' is a insult in the UK... this is so the next generations of homosexual people can have the kind of freedom of expression we did not.
I don't know about other gay people but i want to change this world so we are not ignored and put aside we are recognized and treated as equals to heterosexual people like black people to white, so homosexual people going through there messed up teenage years find it easier to live (as the teenage suicide rate for homosexual people is very high), so they can express there love and feel like they belong.

[Octo22]

I think homosexual organizations are far too passive in there organizations now a days because there are still people out there putting homosexual people down and calling them mentally ill, or a wrong way of lifestyle. This is accepted by society like racism was accepted in 1960 America. I think more gay, lesbian and bisexual people should stand up and fight for freedom of homosexual people all over the world, where people can still be hanged and put in prison.

Also homosexual people should attack the society which makes them feel wrong. "How can love that feels so right, be so wrong" - as i said once because i was depressed because society makes me look bad. The stereotypical pink camp guy who gets aids and dies which is nothing like me.

Yes, homosexual people have better equal rights in the western world than 30 years ago, but if i go walking down the street holding hands with my boy friend i will be either beaten up or people will shout abuse at me. It is the homosexual society which needs to combat the homophobic society which is freely portrayed in TV makeing teenagers and kids think being gay is wrong and evil e.g. 'that is so gay' is an insult in the UK. This is so the next generations of homosexual people can have the kind of freedom of expression we did not.
I don't know about other gay people but i want to change this world so we are not ignored and put aside we are recognized and treated as equals to heterosexual people like black people to white, so homosexual people going through there messed up teenage years find it easier to live (as the teenage suicide rate for homosexual people is very high), so they can express there love and feel like they belong.


edited for grammar to make it easier to read.


I do agree homosexuals need to gain more rights and be seen as equals. But I wouldn't go as far as using the word "fighting society"

[Mannequin]

no see, Mannequin and other members gave me a hard time because nobody agrees with me. my previous post was solely posted to prove that people do agree with me.

You had to go to a puberty forum to find your proof. Do you know the only people that post in that forum are immature noobs who know nothing about people or themselves...which is why they have to ask questions about their growing bodies? Is it not ironic, that a forum for the ignorant is where you found your prove? Did they do any "studies"? Hahahaha

sure, they COULD have changed their mind, but it still shows that my views aren't uncommon. in fact, the friends that ive been comfortable to talk to this about (2) have agreed with me as well.

You are as good as the people you associate with on a regular basis. Of course your "friends" agree. You have so many of these "friends".

yes, we are all straight, but it doesnt matter. im not trying to "feel" what a gay person feels. im telling you guys that i simply believe that Homosexuality is a choice, not a "destiny" or an uncontrollable characteristic.

I am not straight. Do I have to tell you again? Is your name patty? I think everyone was born patty. They just "chose" to have different names. As incredulous as the idea sounds, yours isn't much more logical. Please tell me one thing, why would I chose to be gay? I already told you I want to be straight. Why am I NOT STRAIGHT?

also, i do a lot of posts in the puberty forum, to help out many different people, and i was looking through a thread which showed me these posts. so no, im not "desperate" digging through the puberty forum. i was looking through it one day and i found those two posts.

Maybe you should educate yourself before educating others.

[Dante]

you are backing up your views because you have friends who agree with you...thats fine, but you have countless people disagreeing with you, some who are gay mind you...but your position does not change....why is that?

[DestroyTheFuture]

you are backing up your views because you have friends who agree with you...thats fine, but you have countless people disagreeing with you, some who are gay mind you...but your position does not change....why is that?

my position does not change because i feel that my views are most logical. countless people disagreed with Abraham Lincoln, and Frank Lloyd Wright, and William Ford, but those people kept their views and eventually, more and more people agreed, and their views became more common throughout their surroundings.

im not trying to make you guys believe in my ideas, although i don't understand why you guys would disagree with me. i don't dislike any of you because you disagree with me on this topic, because i know that what i think about this is something that a lot of people either aren't ready to, or just don't want to accept.


You have so many of these "friends".

yeah, i've been told that a lot of people think i'm a cool person.


I am not straight. Do I have to tell you again? Is your name patty? I think everyone was born patty. They just "chose" to have different names. As incredulous as the idea sounds, yours isn't much more logical. Please tell me one thing, why would I chose to be gay? I already told you I want to be straight. Why am I NOT STRAIGHT?

you may not be straight because you might like the attention of being gay. you might like to feel different. you might not want to conform with others. you may feel like sex with girls is morally wrong. but you are not straight because you chose to be not straight.

pay attention to the bolded text. see, i was referring to all of the people i have talked to about this issue. you seemed to have misunderstood what i said.

pay attention to the underlined text. maybe we were all born with the name patty. we could have been, but i dont think we were. maybe, every single person's name was patty but then legally changed to your current name. i disgree with that, but i still think that it might be a possibility, but more untrue than true--about 99.99%-00.01%.

QUOTE=Mannequin]Maybe you should educate yourself before educating others.[/QUOTE]

yeah, i already have.

[Ironic Infidel In England]

i DONT know what gay people feel, because im not gay. this topic wasnt started on what gay people feel, it was started on my philosophy that i believe that people who are gay chose to be gay.

So choose to be gay, and find out how gay people feel!

[0=]

DTF, convince one of your guy friends to have sex with you, just wake up one day and say "I'm going to be gay" and see how that experience is for you. You won't ever be able to force yourself to do that because you just plain aren't gay. If you would like to disprove me then film yourself having sex with a male that isn't a prostitute and send it to every gay person on the site. I ask this of you because this will prove that you choose. If you don't look like you're enjoying it the video is invalid; have fun proving your point.

For everyone who is disgusted by this post, good for you. I'm disgusted myself. I post this knowing that he cannot choose to do this no matter how hard he tries, unless he's paid a lot, but in that case he's a man-whore.

[redcar]

you may not be straight because you might like the attention of being gay. you might like to feel different. you might not want to conform with others. you may feel like sex with girls is morally wrong.

To answer those questions: I hate any attention I get from being gay, I hate to feel different, I would like to conform, I dont feel sex with with girls is morally wrong.

So why would I choose to be gay? Come on your telling me its a choice so you must have a reason.

How many gay people have you actually talked to? But take it from someone who knows a bit more on the subject than you, you haven't spoken to enough.

[Octo22]

my position does not change because i feel that my views are most logical. countless people disagreed with Abraham Lincoln, and Frank Lloyd Wright, and William Ford, but those people kept their views and eventually, more and more people agreed, and their views became more common throughout their surroundings.

These people had NEW AND RADICAL IDEA'S. Your idea's are OLD. Your ignorace just needs a hick accent to be straight out of the '50's claiming all these "damned rebels trying to be gay".


because i know that what i think about this is something that a lot of people either aren't ready to, or just don't want to accept.

AGAIN YOUR IDEA'S ARE OLD. They USED to be widely accepted, they're not anymore because psychology said "wait a minute...that's not right".
Go back 30 years, we would all have believed you, you're living in the past but now. GET OVER IT.


Also, you've yet to disprove my fetish point (even though this is my fourth post bringing it up).

Much like how someone above here said to go have gay sex and enjoy it, one thing people can like is poop. A poop fetish, go get one. Surely they must CHOOSE to like it. So go like it, choose the option, smear it all over you and tell me you're turned on.

[sorry for the graphicness, I'm trying to prove a point that apparently requires a hammer to get through this thick a board.]

[DestroyTheFuture]

Much like how someone above here said to go have gay sex and enjoy it, one thing people can like is poop. A poop fetish, go get one. Surely they must CHOOSE to like it. So go like it, choose the option, smear it all over you and tell me you're turned on.

hahahaha, you should feel like a complete asswhole right now.

you just told me that i should rub poop on myself and orgasm over it.

1. No.

Why? because fetishes ARENT something you can choose over. a fetish is something that a person gets a physically, and healthy uncontrollable erotic feeling over. and no, Homosexuality is not a fetish.

why does a person have to SURELY choose to have fetishes? if you can explain something that i think is a good argument, then i might decide to believe what you believe.

2. Even if someone has a "poop" fetish, it is not the poop that turns them on. its the person producing it that does. for instance, if i saw Jenna Jameson nakedly smearing poop all over herself, then i might get turned on, but if i just see a log in the toilet, then im not going to get turned on.

[Mannequin]

my position does not change because i feel that my views are most logical. countless people disagreed with Abraham Lincoln, and Frank Lloyd Wright, and William Ford, but those people kept their views and eventually, more and more people agreed, and their views became more common throughout their surroundings.

*sighs*, they had actual evidence. You cannot speak for anyone, but yourself when it comes to the topics of what goes on in an individuals mind. For example, ford made the assembly line and cars..etc. He did not say completely outrageous things. You have obviously not spoken to many gay people. I am telling you right now that I did not chose. Why would I be lying? You think if everyone was just pretending to be gay everyone would know by now!!

im not trying to make you guys believe in my ideas, although i don't understand why you guys would disagree with me. i don't dislike any of you because you disagree with me on this topic, because i know that what i think about this is something that a lot of people either aren't ready to, or just don't want to accept.

Actually, you are! thats the whole point of debating. Everyone disagrees with you because you have gay people in front of you telling you that you are wrong. I don't hate you..no one here does. You are wrong though! I have more prove because i am gay. that settles it. i am gay and did not chose. i win.









you may not be straight because you might like the attention of being gay. you might like to feel different. you might not want to conform with others. you may feel like sex with girls is morally wrong. but you are not straight because you chose to be not straight.

pay attention to the bolded text. see, i was referring to all of the people i have talked to about this issue. you seemed to have misunderstood what i said.

pay attention to the underlined text. maybe we were all born with the name patty. we could have been, but i dont think we were. maybe, every single person's name was patty but then legally changed to your current name. i disgree with that, but i still think that it might be a possibility, but more untrue than true--about 99.99%-00.01%


LOL, i made up random shit. You actually think it is a possibility. There is no possibility. You are incredibly gullible. Also, you cannot make up percents and claim them to be factual. There is NO chance...you cannot even begin to say there is.

I'm telling you, every gay person on this site did not chose to be gay. We would know more than you because we are experiencing it and you are not. so therefore, you are wrong and we are right. There is absolutely no debate, because none of us are lying!!!

[rEpReSsIoN.?]

edited for grammar to make it easier to read.


I do agree homosexuals need to gain more rights and be seen as equals. But I wouldn't go as far as using the word "fighting society"

society will never accept homosexual people unless you fight society as it is now ...like many organization have done throughout the age to gain equality, homosexual people can't just sit there waiting and going on gay pride marches, they need to fight people who think they choose to be like this and show the world that there relationships are right.

[redcar]

This is just a short announcement to all posters in this thread.
I am concerned that this debate could become more of a fight than a debate and I don't want to see that happen. So just when everyone posts ensure that you are just debating.

Everyone has an opinion and they are entitled to it regardless of what it is, and we respect that.

[Mannequin]

hahahaha, you should feel like a complete asswhole right now.

you just told me that i should rub poop on myself and orgasm over it.

He knows what he told you, idiot.

1. No.

Why? because fetishes ARENT something you can choose over. a fetish is something that a person gets a physically, and healthy uncontrollable erotic feeling over. and no, Homosexuality is not a fetish.

why does a person have to SURELY choose to have fetishes? if you can explain something that i think is a good argument, then i might decide to believe what you believe.

2. Even if someone has a "poop" fetish, it is not the poop that turns them on. its the person producing it that does. for instance, if i saw Jenna Jameson nakedly smearing poop all over herself, then i might get turned on, but if i just see a log in the toilet, then im not going to get turned on.

Why are you completely going off topic. You could not be a scientist because for one, you have the attention span of a fly and come up with incredibly eccentric ideas that you came up with without any logic whatsoever.

Also, again you cannot speak for others. you don't have a poop fetish so you can not say people with them are not turned on by poop. of course they are turned on by the poop and the person. it would not be called a poop fetish if they were not attracted to the poop!! Do you think through anything??

Get back on topic and reply to every segment of my last two posts.

[Octo22]

why does a person have to SURELY choose to have fetishes?

why does a person have to SURELY choose to be gay?

oh shit, double entendre. What makes a fetish any different from a sexual preference? I could be turned on by legs, or boobs, or men, or feet.

You are wrong though! I have more prove because i am gay. that settles it. i am gay and did not chose. i win.

You're using his own logic against him!
DTF answer me this.
In a relationship section you said "I'm a guy, I'd know more about what guys think thank you (a girl). Therefore you argued YOU were right.

So if we use YOUR logic, he's gay. He should surely know more about gay's think. THUS USING YOUR OWN LOGIC, HE JUST WON.


society will never accept homosexual people unless you fight society as it is now ..

But remember, they need to fight DEMOCRATICALY. No violence, or White Night Riots. (In my opinion)

[DestroyTheFuture]

why does a person have to SURELY choose to be gay?

oh shit, double entendre. What makes a fetish any different from a sexual preference? I could be turned on by legs, or boobs, or men, or feet.

You're using his own logic against him!
DTF answer me this.
In a relationship section you said "I'm a guy, I'd know more about what guys think thank you (a girl). Therefore you argued YOU were right.

So if we use YOUR logic, he's gay. He should surely know more about gay's think. THUS USING YOUR OWN LOGIC, HE JUST WON.


Yellow Response: the same rules do not apply for this situation. a fetish is something you cant choose over. BUT...it can be developed. i developed a fetish for cleavage and "boob sex". lol, i just like boobs a lot and because i have looked at that kind of thing so much (dont hate, porn is a very common thing), i have grown to get really turned on by it. moving on, Homosexuality can be chosen over, and so it can not be compared to something that is not chosen over.

Green Response: once again, you can not compare those two events. the girl was asking what the guy was thinking, and because i was his age 3 months ago, i think i am fairly qualified to give her great advice. now, lets say, there was a male who was asking about what his gay crush was thinking about the relationship, then i think that a gay person might be a better person to give him advice about it because tghey may have liked or gone out with gay guys before.

i didnt argue that i was right either. read those posts. i told her that i was giving her great advice and that she should respect me for it.

[0=]

Once again this requires that you can prove homosexuality is a choice.

[amos]

Homosexuality, what is it really?

let me start off with this by saying formally, "I am not against homosexuals in any way, and i am not homophobic. I respect their decisions and actions, as long as they respect mine."

almost every single gay person in the world will disagree with me on the next thing i am about to say, and if you are gay and you believe in this statement, please tell me, i'd love to be friends!


-YOU ARE NOT BORN GAY! See, i believe that people who are gay tell people that they were born gay. What this does, is reduces and/or prevents the usage of insults towards gay people, because then gay people just say, "you cant make fun of me because i cant help it! God made me this way and i cant change!"

So here's the question, were you gay when you are 2 years old? Did you go around and know and admit to at least yourself that you sexually preferred males? Now, many of you probably think im stupid and ignorant by asking that, but this is why my opinion on this whole situation is right...People say that you aren't Straight, Gay, or Bisexual until you get older and your hormones start developing. But, this still means that you turned gay when you were whatever age, lets just say 10 as a even answer. Thats the thing, its funny how people defend my argument by saying that you find out your gay when you're older, you just aren't when you're very young. But, even if you find out you are gay when your 10, you still WERENT gay when you were 5. This means, that by not being gay at one time in your life, to being gay at another, you turned gay. Nobody is born gay, everyone is born straight. But, at a time in your life, you decide that youd rather be sexually intimate with the same sex rather than the opposite sex.

I'm sick and tired of gay people telling everyone else that its not their fault that they are gay. It's just some lame excuse that people make up so they arent allowed to get made fun of.

What's my reasoning behind my belief? Because i know that i could be gay right now, actually...i just turned Gay...now im straight again! See, thats exactly how it works, i just turned gay for 3 seconds of my life and turned straight again.

Almost every Bisexual person agrees with me on my argument, because every Bisexual person was Straight at one time, and then they decided that they like the same sex too, so they consider themselves Bisexual.

Also, i'm not religious at all, in fact, i'm athiest. That means that nothing to do with religion plays into this. I was once a Christian, because i was brought up Christian, but about 18 months ago, i realized how there are many untrue things about Christianity. So, if you want to bring religion into this then go ahead, but i dont think it is necessary.


Congratulations, whether you are Straight, Gay, or Bi, you have just been convinced or reassured that what i am saying is 100% true and common knowledge.

ok well attually when ur young and you like same sex ur not old enought to knwo what gay is you probable never even heard word it not like your parants going to bring it up is it

also i am goin to bring religion into it cause i do believe in god, if u ask god to change you he can it jsut takes time.

also people can not help being gay cause if ur man and don't like women that anit the man fault for finding sex with women boring same with women

also another point is you can not just turn gay like that u hav to hav an attraction to the same sex i can't just go in say ur gay and then sleep with same sex no one would ever even think of doing so so it not any women or man fault if there bi or gay

so u can go fuck ur self

[Octo22]

[COLOR="Yellow"]i have looked at that kind of thing so much


This is where your argument gets flawed, no matter how many times I've accidently been linked to poop fetish porn, I'm still not turned on by it.



You've still yet to prove your point AT ALL. Besides "I've done studies"
"I've got one friend who's gay"
"Two of my other friends agree with me"

:/

[rEpReSsIoN.?]

I don't understand why people can't take the fact that it is not a choice when they have no evidence, no personal experience only small minded opinions... but from personal experience it is not a choice i just don't find girls sexually attractive ever in my life i have tried and tried but nothing works and i can't fight myself anymore.

[Mannequin]

Yellow Response: the same rules do not apply for this situation. a fetish is something you cant choose over. BUT...it can be developed. i developed a fetish for cleavage and "boob sex". lol, i just like boobs a lot and because i have looked at that kind of thing so much (dont hate, porn is a very common thing), i have grown to get really turned on by it. moving on, Homosexuality can be chosen over, and so it can not be compared to something that is not chosen over.

Green Response: once again, you can not compare those two events. the girl was asking what the guy was thinking, and because i was his age 3 months ago, i think i am fairly qualified to give her great advice. now, lets say, there was a male who was asking about what his gay crush was thinking about the relationship, then i think that a gay person might be a better person to give him advice about it because tghey may have liked or gone out with gay guys before.

i didnt argue that i was right either. read those posts. i told her that i was giving her great advice and that she should respect me for it.

You cannot chose a fetish, yet you can chose sexuality? You know nothing but your own experiences!!

[Maverick]

You know nothing but your own experiences!!
But can't you say the same thing with gay people?

[rEpReSsIoN.?]

well a gay person knows they do not choose to be gay but yet a few straight people differ... for they don't understand and they have never experienced what being gay is like so they know nothing but there own experiences and they will never know how it feels but they should learn to accept and undertand what every gay person tells them which is they don't choose

[DestroyTheFuture]

You know nothing but your own experiences!!


NO ONE DOES STUPID!



thats one of the most obvious things ever.

"you shouldn't believe things that you haven't personally witnessed"

thats is an extremely true, and great quote. you shouldn't fully believe what you haven't personally seen, because how do you know that they aren't lies, oh wait, thats right, you don't!

i realize that you may TRY to use my own logic against me. go ahead. its true that i dont know anything besides my personal witnessing. either do you. either do ANY of you. the fact is, is that im using evidence that i have witnessed and i am using that to structure my argument.

[Ironic Infidel In England]

Almost every Bisexual person agrees with me on my argument, because every Bisexual person was Straight at one time, and then they decided that they like the same sex too, so they consider themselves Bisexual.

Wrong. Almost every Bisexual person once considered themselves straight. They weren't. They were bi. They just didn't know. And I have personally expeirience of this, as I'm bi, my boyfreind is bi, and my best freind is bi. So there.

[Mannequin]

NO ONE DOES STUPID!



thats one of the most obvious things ever.

"you shouldn't believe things that you haven't personally witnessed"

thats is an extremely true, and great quote. you shouldn't fully believe what you haven't personally seen, because how do you know that they aren't lies, oh wait, thats right, you don't!

i realize that you may TRY to use my own logic against me. go ahead. its true that i dont know anything besides my personal witnessing. either do you. either do ANY of you. the fact is, is that im using evidence that i have witnessed and i am using that to structure my argument.

I'm not stupid, obviously. I have defeated you countless times within the last 20 pages, yet you tend to think throwing childish insults at me constitutes as debating. I for one would hate to agree with your quote. It's narrow minded. If you were such a great "scientist and architect", you'd realize that without variation and questioning of substance answers would remain unanswered. I'm not using logic against you. You have no logic whatsoever! Also, you have not witnessed anything. There is no legit proof to us that you even have a friend that is gay and that he told you any of this or even if he is lying or being honest. I can guarantee you that you did not go through the scientific method fully. If you had, you'd have realized that you have no alternate observations, no strict regimen, etc. Thus, your experiment is literal shit and would be rejected!!

[Octo22]

its true i dont know anything besides my personal witnessing.

Exactly.

Majority of us arguing are older.

Older = More experiences witnessed.

Therefore, according to you, we all just won and must be "scientists"

[DestroyTheFuture]

Exactly.

Majority of us arguing are older.

Older = More experiences witnessed.

Therefore, according to you, we all just won and must be "scientists"


Prove that what you just said is true. I will tell you on my opinion.

"Older = More experiences witnessed" is not true. obviously, you should know that it isn't true. the more outgoing a person is, is how you experience more. so, a younger person can experience more if they are more outgoing. who the hell cares though.

also, prove that according to me, you all just won and that you are all "scientists". i just dont see how you can prove that, so surprise me.

[Mannequin]

Prove that what you just said is true. I will tell you on my opinion.

"Older = More experiences witnessed" is not true. obviously, you should know that it isn't true. the more outgoing a person is, is how you experience more. so, a younger person can experience more if they are more outgoing. who the hell cares though.

also, prove that according to me, you all just won and that you are all "scientists". i just dont see how you can prove that, so surprise me.

age is over half of it. age=maturity. how would being outgoing help your observations? Intelligence is greater. I can guarantee you that the smartest people in the world are usually not the most outgoing. That has nothing to do with being able to conduct an experiment. Every single sentence you create is such crap.

ALSO, respond to my last post and this one.

[Octo22]

also, prove that according to me, you all just won and that you are all "scientists". i just dont see how you can prove that, so surprise me.

Oh god can you not pick up on Mockery? You compared yourself to some of the worlds greatest scientists, I was being sarcastic saying we are too. I'm sorry but from your closed-minded view of society as a whole I really can't see your argument stance anymore. You argued somewhat well for the first 2-5 pages of this thread. After that you just started insulting/ignoring.

[DestroyTheFuture]

I'm not stupid, obviously. I have defeated you countless times within the last 20 pages, yet you tend to think throwing childish insults at me constitutes as debating. I for one would hate to agree with your quote. It's narrow minded. If you were such a great "scientist and architect", you'd realize that without variation and questioning of substance answers would remain unanswered. I'm not using logic against you. You have no logic whatsoever! Also, you have not witnessed anything. There is no legit proof to us that you even have a friend that is gay and that he told you any of this or even if he is lying or being honest. I can guarantee you that you did not go through the scientific method fully. If you had, you'd have realized that you have no alternate observations, no strict regimen, etc. Thus, your experiment is literal shit and would be rejected!!

prove to me how you can 100% believe that something you havent personally witnessed. i think that it is impossible to prove that because no matter how trusting you are, you still shouldn't beleieve something never happened.

the Halocaust
Slavery in America
death of Steve Erwin
the Depression
the existence of dinosaurs
the existence of Jesus, Muhammad, and Buddha

take a look at that list. those are all examples. to make this clear, i believe that all of those happened, but they are all something that you cant believe on a 100% scale. every single thing that you havent personally seen cant be believed on a 100% scale, because how do you know if it's a fix or not? please dont try to debate with that list, they were all just examples. debate with the actual point of the list if you will.

also, there is no legit proof to me that you are even gay, a male, a human being, because i havent personally witnessed you at all, except on this site, which, behind a computer is very easy to skew your characteristics.

see, i have witnessed my friend choosing to be gay. i have witnessed him with a girlfriend, (who which unfortunately killed herself in the prime of their relationship and my friend didn't even know that she was depressed) and i have witnessed him telling me how he didn't want to hurt any more girls, so he chose to be with guys instead. now, this isn't some kind of, "tragic happening" that made his thoughts jumble around and traumatize him for his life, he just didn't want the same thing to happen to a different girl, so for all of the females races safety, he chose to be gay. now he has a boyfriend. his is not bi, or straight. he was once straight, but now he has conscientiously chosen to be gay. of course, you don't have to believe that. i completely understand if you didn't, but i do believe it. and that's why my thesis on this topic is not going to change. i have factual evidence to myself that has proven to me that what i believe is true. i have never seen a gay person, "turn" gay, or be gay right out of birth, which leaves me to believe that very gay person chooses to be gay.

age is over half of it. age=maturity. how would being outgoing help your observations? Intelligence is greater. I can guarantee you that the smartest people in the world are usually not the most outgoing. That has nothing to do with being able to conduct an experiment. Every single sentence you create is such crap.

ALSO, respond to my last post and this one.

i agree, age does play a large role in how much one can witness, but if you sit alone in your house and read all day, everyday, then you wont witness as much as a person who is much more outgoing; who is outside seeing the world everyday. and, you also misunderstood what i had said. i didn't make a relation between smartness, conducting experiments, and outgoingness. i made the relation that you will witness more if you are more outgoing. yes, a smart person may be able to conduct a better experiment, but a great experiment conductor combines at least three characteristics: smart, outgoing, and desire.

[Hyper]

The smart, desire, outgoing also happens to fall in tendency with a psychopath or just someone greedy

And I don't think you don't need ''desire'' to be a ''genius''

Usually the greatest minds were considerd mad at their time and some of them were very ( Uhh can't remember the word.. )...... Humble, discreet.. Coy?

Well anyway.. You truely ignore any post that you can't respond to, and claim everyone is trying to be immature towards you and flame, troll your arguement while that's exactly what you do..

I do agree that Parasite in somewhat does that but he well, is who he is and has atleast some real arguements in hes posts


And I think your friend was confused, I don't belive ppl can choose knowingly, but I do belive ppl can change but that isn't really the point

This thread was pretty much closed ages ago, and again DTF we don't even know if your real or if anyone on this site is fucking real get over it..

And wtf we don't know 100% that the fucking HOLOCAUST HAPPEND?! Wtf realy... That was a nice example :yes:

[Mannequin]

"you shouldn't believe things that you haven't personally witnessed"

You stated this.

prove to me how you can 100% believe that something you havent personally witnessed. i think that it is impossible to prove that because no matter how trusting you are, you still shouldn't beleieve something never happened.

the Halocaust
Slavery in America
death of Steve Erwin
the Depression
the existence of dinosaurs
the existence of Jesus, Muhammad, and Buddha

take a look at that list. those are all examples. to make this clear, i believe that all of those happened, but they are all something that you cant believe on a 100% scale. every single thing that you havent personally seen cant be believed on a 100% scale, because how do you know if it's a fix or not? please dont try to debate with that list, they were all just examples. debate with the actual point of the list if you will.

Obviously, you did not read my post or comprehend it. I already stated that things should be questioned and varied and disagreed with that specific quote! What are you getting at? You are contradicting yourself.


also, there is no legit proof to me that you are even gay, a male, a human being, because i havent personally witnessed you at all, except on this site, which, behind a computer is very easy to skew your characteristics.

Actually there is legit proof. I have met someone of this site that could tell you. there are pictures of the trip as well! Also, he can also tell you i'm gay...no questions, please...and no it isn't bad.

see, i have witnessed my friend choosing to be gay. i have witnessed him with a girlfriend, (who which unfortunately killed herself in the prime of their relationship and my friend didn't even know that she was depressed) and i have witnessed him telling me how he didn't want to hurt any more girls, so he chose to be with guys instead. now, this isn't some kind of, "tragic happening" that made his thoughts jumble around and traumatize him for his life, he just didn't want the same thing to happen to a different girl, so for all of the females races safety, he chose to be gay. now he has a boyfriend. his is not bi, or straight. he was once straight, but now he has conscientiously chosen to be gay. of course, you don't have to believe that. i completely understand if you didn't, but i do believe it. and that's why my thesis on this topic is not going to change. i have factual evidence to myself that has proven to me that what i believe is true. i have never seen a gay person, "turn" gay, or be gay right out of birth, which leaves me to believe that very gay person chooses to be gay.

Honestly, how old is your friend? I'm sure it is possible to be traumatized into being gay, yet i find this story quite funny because it about time you mention it...
you cannot witness someone being gay, exactly. although i said before that i have proof that im gay in a way im being hypocritical...


i agree, age does play a large role in how much one can witness, but if you sit alone in your house and read all day, everyday, then you wont witness as much as a person who is much more outgoing; who is outside seeing the world everyday. and, you also misunderstood what i had said. i didn't make a relation between smartness, conducting experiments, and outgoingness. i made the relation that you will witness more if you are more outgoing. yes, a smart person may be able to conduct a better experiment, but a great experiment conductor combines at least three characteristics: smart, outgoing, and desire.

Outgoing has nothing to do with experiencing great things. outgoing may lead to popularity and phrat parties, but in no way would being shy keep you from experiencing life and become just as great of a scientist as someone who is outgoing. that is like saying "blondes experience more!"

[Mannequin]

Ugh, i cant edit my posts. ignore the first TWO quotes.

I read it wrong. You can proof all of those through, video documentation, witnesses, and 6 million deaths!

[Octo22]

DTF, when enough people believe it the idea becomes greater than the event itself.

You're in the stage of life where you question everything and believe you're better than everyone...it's a really annoying stage.

I believe everyone on this site is human, they can't be anything else.

[Octo22]

Homosexual behavior does occur in the animal kingdom, especially in social species, particularly in marine birds and mammals, monkeys and the great apes. Homosexual behavior has been observed among 1,500 species, and in 500 of those it is well documented. Georgetown University professor Janet Mann has specifically theorized that homosexual behavior, at least in dolphins, is an evolutionary advantage that minimizes intraspecies aggression, especially among males.

Do animals "just choose"?
We're nothing more than animals so prove to me that they choooose just for attention / to be noticed / whatever.

[Hyper]

Homosexual behavior does occur in the animal kingdom, especially in social species, particularly in marine birds and mammals, monkeys and the great apes. Homosexual behavior has been observed among 1,500 species, and in 500 of those it is well documented. Georgetown University professor Janet Mann has specifically theorized that homosexual behavior, at least in dolphins, is an evolutionary advantage that minimizes intraspecies aggression, especially among males.

Do animals "just choose"?
We're nothing more than animals so prove to me that they choooose just for attention / to be noticed / whatever.


We are much more than animals, we just degrade ourselves to that level

[Dante]

As people we still have animalistic behaviors...The only difference we have is that we have the ability to reason.

However, When dealing with homosexuality...It is not a choice. Granted some people choose to engage in sexual activity with the same sex, cuz they think its cool.

[Melchi0r]

However, When dealing with homosexuality...It is not a choice. Granted some people choose to engage in sexual activity with the same sex, cuz they think its cool.

Really?
From my school, at least, I haven't met a single person who is gay by choice for the sake of being cool. Some guys act gay but then quickly call themselves straight but it's not quite the same.

[Dante]

yea, there are people out there who likes to do thing with the same sex just cuz it was cool. i remember in High School so much of the girls chose to bi cuz they just wanted something to do and in fact they dont like girls, but just do it to do it

[Hyper]

yea, there are people out there who likes to do thing with the same sex just cuz it was cool. i remember in High School so much of the girls chose to bi cuz they just wanted something to do and in fact they dont like girls, but just do it to do it


Yes, there are actually quite a few of those ppl who do it cuz it's cool..

And I think there are a small % of those who are gay and have some psychological problem with the opposite sex..

But yeah I don't think it's something you can just choose one day

[Booman5]

While it may not be set from birth (though I think it might be) Homosexuality may have tie ins with how you developed psychologically. I feel very strongly that no one should discriminate against Homosexuals, even if it is a choice (again, I don't think it is in most cases) it is not a bad or wrong choice. People think that two people of the same sex should not be together, but if two people truly love each other, how can anyone in their right mind split them apart. Homosexuality in my opinion is not really a choice, and there is nothing at all wrong with it.

[Whisper]

Nobody controls who they fall in love with
The heart does what it wants
simple as that