Calling the cops?

[tyler17OKC]

Luckily this situation has never come up, but being senior year, maybe it will. If I was at a party where illegal things were happening, my moral code would tell me to call the cops immediately. But what I am scared about is if anyone there found out, that they would hate me even more than they do now. I am the leader of my school safe teen driving group and would of course offer a ride for as many as I could, but I would still call the cops. What would you all suggest I do. And I really don't feel comfortable just leaving. I don't want to see anyone die just because I left without calling the cops.

[LifeisLife]

I think you shouldn't call the cops, but at the same time I think you should. If there's illegal things like drugs going on then yes, call the cops but if it's just a lot of drinking and drunks then I wouldn't... hope that helps :)

[Nat99]

Just leave

[Joey15]

Why would you call the cops you understand if the cops come you would be ruining a kids life.

[iamniokekun]

The best thing to do is to not go to parties. I understand what your saying, and it's good to know that you actually have a strong moral code. But you will hardly find a high school party during senior year where illegal things aren't happening.

Now, unless someone has serious alcohol poisoning or someone gets seriously hurt, don't call the police. If you just call the police at every other party you go to, you're going to stop getting invited places in general.

Hope this helps :)

[disassociation2016]

How about call their parents? Most of the time they'll keep it between you and them and drive their kid home.

[CaptainObvious]

Luckily this situation has never come up, but being senior year, maybe it will. If I was at a party where illegal things were happening, my moral code would tell me to call the cops immediately. But what I am scared about is if anyone there found out, that they would hate me even more than they do now. I am the leader of my school safe teen driving group and would of course offer a ride for as many as I could, but I would still call the cops. What would you all suggest I do. And I really don't feel comfortable just leaving. I don't want to see anyone die just because I left without calling the cops.

ummm... wow. yeah, i would hate you too, if you did that. "illegal things" happening at a party you've been invited to is reason for you to leave, not call the cops. your moral code needs some fixing. it starts like this: mind your own business. calling the cops on a party because it includes drinking is an extremely immoral act in my mind. if you're not comfortable there, leave. don't attempt to fuck other people's time/life up by involving the cops, that's incredibly immoral. just because something is illegal doesn't mean calling the cops on a person for it is moral. the idea that the average party will end in death if you don't call the cops is absurd. you calling the cops would probably do more harm to the average person at said party than just leaving them to drink.

so mind your own business. and if you can't, do everyone a favor and don't go to any parties.

[staying_alive]

Luckily this situation has never come up, but being senior year, maybe it will. If I was at a party where illegal things were happening, my moral code would tell me to call the cops immediately. But what I am scared about is if anyone there found out, that they would hate me even more than they do now. I am the leader of my school safe teen driving group and would of course offer a ride for as many as I could, but I would still call the cops. What would you all suggest I do. And I really don't feel comfortable just leaving. I don't want to see anyone die just because I left without calling the cops.

I respect you for your strong moral code, I really do. However, your ignorance really comes out in the last sentence of your post. I'm going to bet you've never tried these activities, so you don't really understand how far a kid has to go before they die. Death is a terrible thing, but it's very unlikely that you'll prevent it during your senior year.

If you really want to prevent death, know your way to the hospital from the party that you're at. If someone has SERIOUS alcohol poisoning - can't talk, can't walk, can't sit up, constantly throwing up, etc. - take them to the hospital. That way they won't get punished by the law (i.e. MIP) but they'll still get the help they need at the hospital.

I think you shouldn't call the cops, but at the same time I think you should. If there's illegal things like drugs going on then yes, call the cops but if it's just a lot of drinking and drunks then I wouldn't... hope that helps :)

Alcohol is a poison, something the body has to filter out. It is a drug even though people abuse it regularly. It's a shame that people distinguish between "real drugs" and alcohol when there's no real difference.

Why would you call the cops you understand if the cops come you would be ruining a kids life.

Not true. Just because you or I wouldn't call the cops, many people would because they see the "immoral" activity going on. Even if the cops were called, kids' lives don't get ruined. They just get royally fucked for a period of time.

The best thing to do is to not go to parties. I understand what your saying, and it's good to know that you actually have a strong moral code. But you will hardly find a high school party during senior year where illegal things aren't happening.

Now, unless someone has serious alcohol poisoning or someone gets seriously hurt, don't call the police. If you just call the police at every other party you go to, you're going to stop getting invited places in general.

Hope this helps :)

This. Stop going to parties. Or go to parties and engage in some of these terribly illegal and immoral activities if you're feeling liberal.

[CantLiveWithoutYou]

I'm not trying to keep you from doing anything, but dude you're going to get the living shit beat out of you if you're retarded enough to go to a party and then call the popos.

Dude, if you call the cops on anyone they're probably not going to arrest them, because they're realistic and they know 17-year-olds will drink and smoke illegally, they'll confiscate it, but if you call when a shithead's on duty, you could ruin a whole fuckton of kids' futures. It's impossible to get into any good college once you get arrested for something like that. Besides the fact that when they get out it's more than likely one of them will kill you.

There's never really been a car crash linked solely to cannabis use. If someone can't walk a perfect line however, they're drunk and you need to call a taxi NOT THE POLICE. You can bring a van or some shit to bring the drunkest kids home, but calling the police is fucking stupid.

[Apollo.]

Don't go to parties then, I have never been to a friends party nowadays without at least underage drinking and if anyone at those parties called the cops there life would be hell

[JakeCantThinkOfAName]

Frankly, and at complete risk of sounding like a dick, if I was rolling myself a joint and you called the cops, I'd beat the living hell out of you.

But that's just me.

[Wicked_Syn]

I think you shouldn't call the cops, but at the same time I think you should. If there's illegal things like drugs going on then yes, call the cops but if it's just a lot of drinking and drunks then I wouldn't... hope that helps :)

Alcohol is just as bad, if not worse than drugs....Marijuana that is.

If stuff is going on, call the police. Idiot's who choose to drive while drunk / high deserve to be caught.

[Just _1_ Look]

Just don't go to those parties...or If you show up and they doo...make a run for it! lol or just kindly leave

[louisgray]

either go and be liberal or dont go

[CantLiveWithoutYou]

Alcohol is just as bad, if not worse than drugs....Marijuana that is.

If stuff is going on, call the police. Idiot's who choose to drive while drunk / high deserve to be caught.

Dude, you don't need to ruin some kid's whole fucking life just because they're not in any state to make a rational decision. Like I said, call a few taxis or bring some van or something to bring the drunk ones home, they can get their cars the next day.

[louisgray]

Or endure the activities yourself

[kai99]

It would be better for you if you doesn't

[anonymous53]

Just leave the party. The cops know these things happen.

If you feel morally obligated to stay around and make sure nothing bad happens know the way to the hospital. This way if someone gets injured they can get the medical attention they need.

Or best idea of all. Don't go to parties?

Really, I'm the type that leaves when stupid stuff starts happenning, and I'll bring the friends I brought with me when I leave.

[flumeendeavors]

You guys are being completely ridiculous. He's not going to ruin some kid's life just because he calls the cops okay? Sure, people will be pissed as hell but if it were me...i would much rather save someone's life and have everybody hate me than have someone die because i didnt call the cops because i wanted to save my reputation. Thats stupid.

If it were me...i would call the cops if people were in danger. If someone is injured or doing drugs then call the cops. If it's just drinking just leave it alone and call some cabs to drop everyone off so no one is driving home drunk. You kind of have to use your discretion with things like this. I mean dont be a rat and call the cops at every party you go to because like someone else said, you'll stop getting invited to places. Just make sure you look around to make sure that no one is doing anything dangerous.

[acid_rayne]

i wouldnt call the cops!

[CaptainObvious]

You guys are being completely ridiculous. He's not going to ruin some kid's life just because he calls the cops okay? Sure, people will be pissed as hell but if it were me...i would much rather save someone's life and have everybody hate me than have someone die because i didnt call the cops because i wanted to save my reputation. Thats stupid.

Which is why the cops should only be called if something legitimately life-threatening is occurring. Like really drunk people driving. What's not dangerous?:

If it were me...i would call the cops if people were in danger. If someone is injured or doing drugs then call the cops.

given that the most common drug in high school is marijuana, the average person doing drugs at a party is actually far less likely to be harmed than someone who is drinking.

i agree with the point about ensuring others are not being dangerous, but about the only situation i can think of where calling the police is justified is if someone is attempting to leave a party and drive home really drunk.

[flumeendeavors]

Thats sort of what i meant. I just mean that if someone is doing drugs other than weed and/or they are completely wasted and are attempting to drive by themselves then the cops should be called but its all a situation by situation type of thing. You have to think "Is this dangerous?" and if it's not then leave it alone. I was just saying that the people who are scared about ruining their rep for saving someone's life is stupid.

[CantLiveWithoutYou]

You guys are being completely ridiculous. He's not going to ruin some kid's life just because he calls the cops okay? Sure, people will be pissed as hell but if it were me...i would much rather save someone's life and have everybody hate me than have someone die because i didnt call the cops because i wanted to save my reputation. Thats stupid.

If it were me...i would call the cops if people were in danger. If someone is injured or doing drugs then call the cops. If it's just drinking just leave it alone and call some cabs to drop everyone off so no one is driving home drunk. You kind of have to use your discretion with things like this. I mean dont be a rat and call the cops at every party you go to because like someone else said, you'll stop getting invited to places. Just make sure you look around to make sure that no one is doing anything dangerous.

OK since you have no idea how the world works; how bout you go out and get arrested on drug charges in high school and tell me how getting into harvard or MIT goes.

l2troll

ANY college would almost certainly reject someone with a history of drug abuse or anything like that. Do you think they want a reputation of "that college with all the dangerous drug dealers and murderers"? No. So just stop trying to make a valid argument, because there isn't one.

[SosbanFach]

Well, when my cousin was 14 she went to a party of other 14 year olds, which had copious amounts of alcohol freely available, because these young teens had smuggled in bottles of anything they could. One girl was so pissed she couldn't stand, so my cousin said she would have to call the girl's parents. When the girl refused to give a number, my cousin said that the only alternative was a 999 call. Eventually the girl gave the number. I thought I would cite an example because that would seem to me a good course of action.

[Clown22]

Dont call the cops and ruin everyones time, just go to the party and get really drunk then you wont be able to call the cops

[Wicked_Syn]

Dude, you don't need to ruin some kid's whole fucking life just because they're not in any state to make a rational decision. Like I said, call a few taxis or bring some van or something to bring the drunk ones home, they can get their cars the next day.

You won't be thinking that when you get hit by a drunk teenager. Or in the future your own child getting hit by a drunk teenager.

Dont call the cops and ruin everyones time, just go to the party and get really drunk then you wont be able to call the cops

you're an idiot.

[CantLiveWithoutYou]

You won't be thinking that when you get hit by a drunk teenager. Or in the future your own child getting hit by a drunk teenager.



you're an idiot.

Dude you really need to get more informed about drugs before you ever post in this section again. I've seen you post complete lies to try to get people to not do things, it's not your place to tell someone drinking one beer is going to give them cancer, especially since it's not true. Yet that appears to be the kind of crap you're posting.

[LongShot157]

yeah, everyone has taken the words from my fingers, DO NOT call the police, on top of ruining nights futures and most likely friendships. i dont even know what to say, normally i dont talk to people like you, where im from is you mind your own business, if people drink or smoke you let them be, IF absolutely needed call a taxi like someone else stated, but i know a lot of kids who even moved out of the city i live in for calling the cops, because after that everyone hated that person. what i would say is IF you decide to go, do not call the cops. just go have some fun, and like everyone is saying if someone gets hurt or gets REALLY sick there is no need for the police man. >:(

[Wicked_Syn]

Dude you really need to get more informed about drugs before you ever post in this section again. I've seen you post complete lies to try to get people to not do things, it's not your place to tell someone drinking one beer is going to give them cancer, especially since it's not true. Yet that appears to be the kind of crap you're posting.

Believe me, I've partied more then you before in a 6 month span, so you got absolutely nothing to say to me. And I'm not trying to stop anyone from drinking or smoking - only trying inform the people who HAVE NOT tried it before, because I know what using that shit is like.

I've been drunk before and I've been high off drugs. It's lame now, it lost ALL of it's fun. Like I said, if someone hit me and was drunk and I was seriously injured, I WOULD BE PISSED THE FUCK OFF, especially if I was seriously injured or my friend/spouse/kid died, whoever it may be in my passenger seats.

Enjoy your parting kid, it will catch up

EDIT: If you see anyone who takes shots and shots of alcohol, or taken some sort of drug or smoked, THEN call the police on THAT person and report their license plate to the police. BUT it it's a party and people are walking / cabbing, or getting a ride from someone who is SOBER, let them be.

I REPEAT

Any idiot that decides to drive a car or truck while they are drunk, high, or buzzed deserves to be in jail. No if and's or but's

[Kayden]

Don't call the cops unless you want to be friendless for the rest of your life.

[oceandude33a]

if thats how u feel then dont go to the party at all!

[Dimitri]

Why would you call the cops you understand if the cops come you would be ruining a kids life.
Why ruin their life, you would be saving it.

[Cap'nCrunch]

Luckily this situation has never come up, but being senior year, maybe it will. If I was at a party where illegal things were happening, my moral code would tell me to call the cops immediately. But what I am scared about is if anyone there found out, that they would hate me even more than they do now. I am the leader of my school safe teen driving group and would of course offer a ride for as many as I could, but I would still call the cops. What would you all suggest I do. And I really don't feel comfortable just leaving. I don't want to see anyone die just because I left without calling the cops.

Frankly, I would simply leave. But I have never been a community leader. People will die. They will always make stupid decisions regardless of others' advice. But do what you think is morally right. Not what might make you more friends.

[anon1992]

its unlikely anyone will die. all teens drink underage,etc. hell, im the most nerdiest kid in the world, never even had a date , 18 years old. and i even drink and smoke weed. Calling the cops WILL result in a bad reputation for you, and lots of people will be pissed at you--you would be in danger of harm from someone. and plus: someone may have weed; weed is less harmful than alcohol, but that person may just be minding their own business and would have their life derailed as they will be the ONLY one arrested at the party and will have a criminal record, while the police (who cant possibly arrest all the drinkers) will just tell all the drinkers to go home (drive home). not a good idea. i think the best thing to do is just drive people home , be the sober driver if you want.

[cowattack54]

I understand like you have said that you have a strong moral code. What I am noticing right now though is you are noticing ahead of time that their will be situations in which their are things like under age drinking and possibly substance use happening. Since it looks like you already know this is a possibility I would suggest you either ask ahead of time to the person throwing the party what will be happening there, and as difficult as it would be tell them your stance on the topic and let them know that if you are at their party and this stuff is going on you will call the cops. I also think a good solution could also be if ur looking to have a 100% legal party you could throw it urself, and if your like me you could have just as much fun with 5-10 close friends then 20-50 people you dont know.

[aperson444]

You WILL ruin some kid's life. It is in my opinion a human's inalienable right to use substances if they wish. It's just plain wrong, in both the ethical and the logical sense to call the cops JUST for drug usage. Drug charges remain on your record. They are usually expunged after 18, but you have to apply for college before that. A lot of smart kids will get in a lot of trouble academically, with sports, clubs and stuff.

Just leave the party. Find some like-minded friends. Your morals are your business, and you have no right to impose morals on others unless a) someone is in immediate danger (fights, someone is actively overdosing, etc) or b) you are in immediate danger. I've never seen drugs that would put the user in immediate danger at such parties. Those drugs would be things like fentanyl and super-potent opiates as well as some barbiturates and alcohol/benzo/barb mixtures. Very, very rare at high school parties. Chances are that if some kids are smoking a joint, dropping some acid, doing some shrooms or rolling on E, then it's not worth it to call the cops. You will make a lasting scar on that person's record. Many times, minor drug possession/influence charges can void academic aid and a myriad of other things.

[disassociation2016]

You WILL ruin some kid's life. It is in my opinion a human's inalienable right to use substances if they wish. It's just plain wrong, in both the ethical and the logical sense to call the cops JUST for drug usage. Drug charges remain on your record. They are usually expunged after 18, but you have to apply for college before that. A lot of smart kids will get in a lot of trouble academically, with sports, clubs and stuff.

Just leave the party. Find some like-minded friends. Your morals are your business, and you have no right to impose morals on others unless a) someone is in immediate danger (fights, someone is actively overdosing, etc) or b) you are in immediate danger. I've never seen drugs that would put the user in immediate danger at such parties. Those drugs would be things like fentanyl and super-potent opiates as well as some barbiturates and alcohol/benzo/barb mixtures. Very, very rare at high school parties. Chances are that if some kids are smoking a joint, dropping some acid, doing some shrooms or rolling on E, then it's not worth it to call the cops. You will make a lasting scar on that person's record. Many times, minor drug possession/influence charges can void academic aid and a myriad of other things.

Those drugs you mentioned are absolutely damaging children and ruining lives! There is no excuse for it and someone should stop it. Your not John Locke, and you are in no place to define drug use as an unalienable right. Acid, and Extacy are both deadly and do permanent damage to one's body and brain. The other drugs listed do not have as big of an immediate impact, but are still more dangerous than intervention at a young age.

[zadec]

Don't call!

[CaptainObvious]

Those drugs you mentioned are absolutely damaging children and ruining lives! There is no excuse for it and someone should stop it. Your not John Locke, and you are in no place to define drug use as an unalienable right. Acid, and Extacy are both deadly and do permanent damage to one's body and brain. The other drugs listed do not have as big of an immediate impact, but are still more dangerous than intervention at a young age.

actually, if you knew anything about drugs you'd know that ecstasy and LSD are among the safest drugs that exist in the world. both are far, far safer than marijuana, or alcohol or tobacco, or pretty much any prescription painkiller. the only people who die while on ecstasy are those who either don't drink any water while dancing manically for hours and hours on end, or the opposite: people who are overly aware of the dangers of dehydration and drink way too much water, and then kill themselves with hyperhydration. the only people who die while on acid are... well, pretty much nobody dies while on acid. look it up.

so clearly... you don't know a whole lot about the dangers of these drugs.

You WILL ruin some kid's life. It is in my opinion a human's inalienable right to use substances if they wish. It's just plain wrong, in both the ethical and the logical sense to call the cops JUST for drug usage. Drug charges remain on your record. They are usually expunged after 18, but you have to apply for college before that. A lot of smart kids will get in a lot of trouble academically, with sports, clubs and stuff.

Just leave the party. Find some like-minded friends. Your morals are your business, and you have no right to impose morals on others unless a) someone is in immediate danger (fights, someone is actively overdosing, etc) or b) you are in immediate danger. I've never seen drugs that would put the user in immediate danger at such parties. Those drugs would be things like fentanyl and super-potent opiates as well as some barbiturates and alcohol/benzo/barb mixtures. Very, very rare at high school parties. Chances are that if some kids are smoking a joint, dropping some acid, doing some shrooms or rolling on E, then it's not worth it to call the cops. You will make a lasting scar on that person's record. Many times, minor drug possession/influence charges can void academic aid and a myriad of other things.

yeah, that. definitely that.

[aperson444]

Those drugs you mentioned are absolutely damaging children and ruining lives! There is no excuse for it and someone should stop it. Your not John Locke, and you are in no place to define drug use as an unalienable right. Acid, and Extacy are both deadly and do permanent damage to one's body and brain. The other drugs listed do not have as big of an immediate impact, but are still more dangerous than intervention at a young age.


The quote was from John Locke, but the quote was really from the Declaration of Independence. Drafted by Thomas Jefferson, it gave us the three basic rights (Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness). The right of experimenting with our consciousness covers all three of these. For if we have no control over our own minds, then do we truly have these three rights? Drugs are simply tools; objects that allow us to bend our perception and our sensory input. They simply play on neural circuitry, not much else. Hard drugs unfortunately overplay this. They produce only euphoria, no insight, no thought whatsoever. Heroin is simply morphine (from opium) overplayed many times. Normally opium itself is fairly benign, though at all safer than ecstasy or drugs such as those. The physiological harm associated with acid and classic psychedelics are minimal, and the chance for HPPD is largely associated with mindset and setting. MDMA is harmful only when taking frequently, and damage to serotonergic neurons can be reversed, even prevented. It's mostly oxidative damage associated with MAO enzymes. Marijuana is largely benign. I'm not even going to TRY to mention the evidence demonstrating its safety. There's heaps of it, while there is only a handful describing possible risks that include precipitation of psychological disorders, lung problems and issues associated with cognitive function (all arguments can be debated).

Acid and psilocybin are not a whole lot safer than marijuana. Rather they are fairly close in safety. The reason LSD is so safe is because the lethal dose is enormous compared to the ED50 (the effective dose for 50% of the population tested).

Thus we come to this conclusion: Unless there is a truly immediate danger posed to people at the party (driving under the influence, fighting, overdoses, alcohol poisoning), then calling law enforcement is not necessary. If you really are concerned for someone, talk to their sibling or their parents. Otherwise, let your peers be and leave the party.

[disassociation2016]

This is in response to CaptianObvious. Once again I was mentioning immediate affects, and excuse my mention of brain, and bodily harm because that isn't as prevalent in LSD, however the drug is still highly dangerous that altered state of consciousness isn't safe at all. Please take note: the following video may be considered disturbing, but I will provide the link anyways in order to help you realize that calling LSD safe isn't logical. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJEw3A_QO9o


To address aperson444; Honestly I don't know everything about drugs so I'm going to stick with what I know. There are probably millions of chemical substances referred to as drugs, and I could list a whole lot of them such as Caffeine which do have side-affects, but aren't deadly. Now to get to the real issue here if you don't already know; these drugs don't give you any extra control over your mind they effectively take that away or alter it. Both of which can lead to dangerous situations and have adverse affects on your health. If you didn't know we had a prohibition amendment that outlawed alcohol in the colonies for awhile. The founding fathers certainly didn't intend on offering citizens the rights to alter their consciousness in a way that would potentially harm that person or others. Also the statement was originally John Locke's Jefferson borrowed it for use in the Deceleration of Independence.

[crzy15]

Dont put yourself in that situation. Calling the cops wont end well. Thats a mess waiting to happen.

[aperson444]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJrRBWbtJZ0

That was a documentary from National Geographic. Dr. Nichols from Purdue University (Medicinal Chemist) also did a nice lecture on LSD at the annual MAPS conference. It is available on Youtube. The bottom line is that LSD is by far the safest, oldest synthetic psychedelic. It has been studied a lot, but the old studies are largely funded by the government FOR the government. Only now do we know that psychosis and such things are pretty rare. I think that taking 1000 micrograms of LSD is a bad idea for anyone, but a 100-200 microgram dose is more than safe, scientifically. If you look at the experiments of LSD on British soldiers, you will see that they were acting quite silly, but not doing things that were totally outlandish. Even more demonstrating of my point is the tests on the housewives and teenage females that demonstrated a full calmness, almost no real psychotic disturbance. Thus, we can see that the effects of LSD are almost all attributed to set and setting. Even physiologically, we can see this. LSD affects the outermost layer of the thalamus, deep in the brain. This region (I forgot the name) is rich in serotonin 2A receptors. Thus, sensory distortion occurs when LSD is consumed. If you are not familiar or comfortable in the first place, you will be even more terrified.

Drugs give INTROSPECTIVE control of your mind. The outward perception we see of ourselves and others is external. What LSD does is it intensifies things in our consciousness and connects them. You see connections between things, you see the world and the universe as a big picture. This makes it a very useful tool in treating recovering addicts and suicidal people. It makes them take an outward look at themselves, removes their own ego and their own emotion. I think caffeine and nicotine are the worst drugs. They are highly addictive stimulants, just like methamphetamine and cocaine. The Perrine study compared caffeine to cocaine, alcohol to heroin and nicotine as the most addictive. The study ranked each drug for addictiveness based on a number of factors.


John Locke originally said: Civil interest I call life, liberty, health, and indolency of body; and the possession of outward things.. in 1689 and the highest perfection of intellectual nature lies in a careful and constant pursuit of true and solid happiness. in 1693. The pursuit of happiness clause was added by another author. My source of course, is trusty Wikipedia. Thus, I believe it is our right to pursue the bending and warping of our own minds, so long as we harm no one else or force our motives on others. Indeed, 99% of the time this is the case. I think that we need to stop letting stupid kids take large doses of LSD and freak out. This is a result of drug education that completely overlooks the fact that this is a powerful psychedelic substance, not some evil ergot-derivative from Hell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDRbnmjzY7U

The famous "LSD Girl". Notice that thee effect is nowhere near as dramatic as that with the cat. It's more of a sensory enhancement of the round object.

[disassociation2016]

You clearly state that most drug users are irresponsible. While I agree that this is true I believe that being under the influence of any illegal substance designed to alter your state of consciousness is an attempt to avoid reality and doesn't promote people to try to better themselves; rather it actually brings people down into poverty and possibly jail. In my opinion all drugs designed to do this, and that are for non-medicinal purposes as prescribed by a licensed physician is a blatant disregard of your safety, and the safety of others.

There is absolutely no reason for you to have a right to in-danger your own life, and the lives of others. Personally I don't think that suicide for those who are unstable or unwilling to live is wrong, however I feel that if done by drugs you will likely hurt others. Not only physically, but possibly mentally as no one wants to see their family members or loved ones on drugs.

[aperson444]

No, I said that 99% use responsibly. Probably not a real statistic, but that 1% should not be allowed to speak for the other 99%. Reality is scary, and reality is relative. The world is a horrible place, but we have so much within our own mind. Introspection allows us to let go of our ego, which is something impossible without the aid of drugs or extreme states of trance (starvation, near death, extreme penance). I believe that all human nature is evil, and the root of this evil lies within our ego, our personal idea of self and how we relate to the world. In fact, we are a vast network of living and nonliving. Only psychedelics have allowed me to truly understand this. You can think that all you want, but it's difficult to visualize it. My point is that most people use responsibly, regardless of their motive (self help or not). Drugs are not to be lumped into one big bad category. They are simply molecules. It is US as humans that determine the effect of that drug and its meaning to society. I have seen far too many people use cannabis, LSD, mushrooms, ecstasy even opium and heroin responsibly to have a black and white view of "drugs". I think that if you commit a crime on drugs, you should be harshly charged with the crime. If you are stupid enough to drive under the influence, you should not be able to drive for 10 or more years. Meanwhile, responsible users of these powerful tools can use them to do whatever they want to their minds. You have every right to take this risk to explore your mind, but if you do not acknowledge that you are taking a risk, then you don't deserve to use drugs. No drug, not even caffeine or nicotine is meant for the stupid.


Read some of Alexander Shulgin's work. I also recommend Carl Sagan's "Mr. X" Essay. Aldous Huxley wrote some interesting work.

[CaptainObvious]

much as i enjoy this debate, it's not really on topic. feel free to go start a thread to debate drug effects/legality in the debate forum guys, but let's stop using this thread for that purpose.

[canyon]

Why would you call the cops you understand if the cops come you would be ruining a kids life.

I wouldn't go as far as ruining a kid's life, but if you say so.. Maybe they deserve it. Whatever they're doing illegally, it's illegal for a reason. I can say that I would call the police if I were invited to a party and didn't know about what was going to happen, only to find out that drugs or something were involved.

ummm... wow. yeah, i would hate you too, if you did that. "illegal things" happening at a party you've been invited to is reason for you to leave, not call the cops. your moral code needs some fixing. it starts like this: mind your own business. calling the cops on a party because it includes drinking is an extremely immoral act in my mind. if you're not comfortable there, leave. don't attempt to fuck other people's time/life up by involving the cops, that's incredibly immoral. just because something is illegal doesn't mean calling the cops on a person for it is moral. the idea that the average party will end in death if you don't call the cops is absurd. you calling the cops would probably do more harm to the average person at said party than just leaving them to drink.

so mind your own business. and if you can't, do everyone a favor and don't go to any parties.

Wow, way to be a mod.. Who said anything about someone dying? I know that if I were invited to a party and didn't know that there would be illegal activities, I would expect to go and not find that. Maybe it's the wakeup call that the kid needs. Whatever it is that they're doing, it's illegal for a reason.

Did you ever think that he was minding his own business? He was invited to a party and went. Last I checked, that doesn't mean that he has to say no just because he's against drugs and drinking. I'd have a lot more to say, but I'll leave it at that for now..

actually, if you knew anything about drugs you'd know that ecstasy and LSD are among the safest drugs that exist in the world. both are far, far safer than marijuana, or alcohol or tobacco, or pretty much any prescription painkiller. the only people who die while on ecstasy are those who either don't drink any water while dancing manically for hours and hours on end, or the opposite: people who are overly aware of the dangers of dehydration and drink way too much water, and then kill themselves with hyperhydration. the only people who die while on acid are... well, pretty much nobody dies while on acid. look it up.

so clearly... you don't know a whole lot about the dangers of these drugs.



So now not knowing about drugs is a bad thing? Sucks to be me then, not knowing about the drugs that I don't take..

I'm glad to see that you're up on your drug-safeness chart though. Good to know that, should I ever decide to do drugs, I should do acid before marijuana. Really good advice..

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I think you shouldn't call the cops, but at the same time I think you should. If there's illegal things like drugs going on then yes, call the cops but if it's just a lot of drinking and drunks then I wouldn't... hope that helps :)

I think opposite of that, drunks are more harmful to others often times.

[Church]

I would never call the cops on anyone, even if I hated someone I would never call the cops on them. You could mess someones life up cause there might be people there just chilling but if they got busted by cops that could mess up their lives cause employers would see a felony and they would never be able to join military if they wanted to.

If you dont like whats going on just say "Hey this aint my thing." and leave, I seen people do it before or they choose not to drink or smoke and that fine.

[russjr08]

Personally, since this thread has obviously become a flame war... I don't know what to say.

Since I don't, here is what I'm going to say. I just wouldn't go to the party then. Most times high schoolers + parties = nothing good (most of the time)

And about the whole ruining someone's life... I don't know how far that goes because if they are stupid enough to want to abuse a lot of drugs (Re-Read that please... don't want to be flamed) then most likely they aren't going to try to apply to some big college. Now I can understand Peer Pressure, that's a different thing.

All I know is that I don't care for people who drive drunk. If I was a parent (Or anyone for that matter), and I got seriously injured from a drunk driver... I don't know what I would do, I sure do know that I wouldn't be happy about it.

Now, as I said earlier, I think this has become a flame war so I don't know what I should say. Most likely, someone is going to come back and yell at me, whatever.


As I said earlier, since I don't know what to say, I just recommend not going to the party.



Just saying what was on my mind.