Prostitution?

[Angel Androgynous]

Okay I am just going to say this: I am in no way for pimping, trafficking, or sex slavery!
However, if an individual wants to be a prostitute (or gigolo), what's the big deal? Let's be honest here, they are hurting no one but themselves,(depending on how they work) and surely, their customers know the risk of this and whatnot. Also, just because one finds prostitution "unclean" and "disgusting" is no reason to ban it. You know what I find unclean, disgusting, and unsanitary? Porter potties.... no one's making those illegal. It's just a matter of opinion. So what exactly is everyone's problem? Prostitutes are just trying to make money like everyone else in a way that is most convenient for them. You don't have to get all stereotypical and be all like: "Prostitutes are horrible people, hurr... prostitutes are filthy whore! Blah blah blah." If an adult wants to make money this way, so be it! What's the big deal? I am pretty sure that individuals who choose to prostitute know all the risks...

Now teenagers prostituting, that's another story! It's illegal for an adult too have sex with a minor and the age of consent, I believe is 16. There is also curfew... but see, 18+ individuals who want to work....it's their choice.
(And I don't get why brothels are legal in some places but if a prostitute just wants to be a prostitute without a brothel it gets all illegal... wtf? :what:)

What do you guys think?

[XxMurderedKissesxX]

Well considering im 16 and was a prostitute until not long ago. I totally agree with ur point. In some parts of canada theyve made it legal,just not the topic of prices,and what not. I see it as,if the person is open and willing,not being forced,then why not? Im not saying this is the case for everyone,but one of my friends who also pulls trix is a sex addict,and its a good way for him to make money,and help his problem. It depends on the situation.

[Solo Rider]

I'm subbing... This will be interesting..

[Angel Androgynous]

Well considering im 16 and was a prostitute until not long ago. I totally agree with ur point. In some parts of canada theyve made it legal,just not the topic of prices,and what not. I see it as,if the person is open and willing,not being forced,then why not? Im not saying this is the case for everyone,but one of my friends who also pulls trix is a sex addict,and its a good way for him to make money,and help his problem. It depends on the situation.

Glad that you agree with me. (:
Also, I hate it when people judge a person for being a prostitute or they were a prostitute, or something like that! It's like: You don't even know them! How can you just stereotype like that? :c

I'm subbing... This will be interesting..
Only time will tell... haha let's see how far this debate goes. (:

[Amnesiac]

Prostitution should be legal. There's no argument against it.

The only people who are against legalizing prostitution are those idiotic soccer moms who think it's "immoral". The government isn't supposed to tell us what's right and what's wrong.

[Angel Androgynous]

Prostitution should be legal. There's no argument against it.

The only people who are against legalizing prostitution are those idiotic soccer moms who think it's "immoral". The government isn't supposed to tell us what's right and what's wrong.

Exactly! Just because you find something "disgusting" or "immoral" is no reason to ban it! Like I said I find porter potties disgusting and no one is banning that! I also find the WBC disgusting and immoral. They are still squawking in the streets! Why can't an individual make money and make a convenient personal choice, but the Westboro Baptist church can stand around shouting insults (and actually hurting people's feelings xD) while prostitution hurts no one?

[Amnesiac]

Exactly! Just because you find something "disgusting" or "immoral" is no reason to ban it! Like I said I find porter potties disgusting and no one is banning that! I also find the WBC disgusting and immoral. They are still squawking in the streets! Why can't an individual make money and make a convenient personal choice, but the Westboro Baptist church can stand around shouting insults (and actually hurting people's feelings xD) while prostitution hurts no one?

A lot of conservatives are afraid that, if prostitution is legalized, it'll somehow hurt the "community". Prostitution is usually associated with poverty, which makes some sense because the poorer parts of a city are usually full of underground prostitution services.

However, what people fail to realize is that if prostitution was legalized, it would create jobs and destroy the underground prostitution businesses that abuse so many women. The same thing goes with drugs – if they're legalized, the illegal activities that currently support them would end.

But anyway, the bottom line is that you're right, just because people find something immoral doesn't mean it should be illegal. The government should never tell the public what's moral. Hell, I even think possessing child porn should be legal. However, too many people in the U.S. think that their morals should be everybody else's as well. It's really just sad.

[DerBear]

I think if it did come to a vote though i think a lot of people would be against it but i dont have much of a problem with it

[Angel Androgynous]

A lot of conservatives are afraid that, if prostitution is legalized, it'll somehow hurt the "community". Prostitution is usually associated with poverty, which makes some sense because the poorer parts of a city are usually full of underground prostitution services.

However, what people fail to realize is that if prostitution was legalized, it would create jobs and destroy the underground prostitution businesses that abuse so many women. The same thing goes with drugs – if they're legalized, the illegal activities that currently support them would end.

But anyway, the bottom line is that you're right, just because people find something immoral doesn't mean it should be illegal. The government should never tell the public what's moral. Hell, I even think possessing child porn should be legal. However, too many people in the U.S. think that their morals should be everybody else's as well. It's really just sad.
Exactly! The only reason people are doing illegal things to obtain drugs is because illegal drugs are illegal!
I think if it did come to a vote though i think a lot of people would be against it but i dont have much of a problem with it
And my point is that should laws be based off people's morals if there really is nothing you can say against it besides "ewww disgusting!"?

[DerBear]

I think its is all up to peoples morals i dont know how much good could come of this though i mean the following could and probably will happen

Chance of disease or condition
underage sex
abuse
vilonce---->crime
more steryotypes
more use of the word "Whore"
also leading a stray from marrige

[Angel Androgynous]

I think its is all up to peoples morals i dont know how much good could come of this though i mean the following could and probably will happen

Chance of disease or condition
underage sex
abuse
vilonce---->crime
more steryotypes
more use of the word "Whore"
also leading a stray from marrige

Like I said, the prostitutes hurt no one other than themselves, they can use protection, and I also did say that I agree with it if they are NOT underage.
What does marriage have to do with this? If a wife/husband knows how to please their spouse, they won't go looking for prostitutes. :rolleyes: Also there will be no crime if prostitution is legalized.

[PerpetualImperfexion]

I'm sure this overlaps with free trade, no?

[Iris]

I think prostitution would be ok only if the prostitutes are guaranteed safety. For example, the women who stand on street corners waiting to be picked up are risking a lot. I was watching a documentary on prostitution once and one of the women they interviewed told of her friend who got into a car with a random guy and turned up dead a few days later. That kind of prostitution is not ok. At the very least, if prostitution is made legal those kinds of prostitutes should have some kind of protection. But prostitution in which the women (and men) are informed about their clients and know they aren't risking an STD or death is ok, in my opinion.

[DerBear]

Like I said, the prostitutes hurt no one other than themselves, they can use protection, and I also did say that I agree with it if they are NOT underage.
What does marriage have to do with this? If a wife/husband knows how to please their spouse, they won't go looking for prostitutes. :rolleyes: Also there will be no crime if prostitution is legalized.

Well i am not just talking about underage ones i am talking about the kids who look older than they are going to one and i know for a fact that this would be true to happen

Marriage well it can still lead to this outcome husband has shouting match with wife husband storms out...

as for crimes Abuse towards prostitutes---->this would happen
assualts on prostitutes also forced rape
and before prostitution became illegal there were a lot of murders involving prostitutes
also kiddnaping and harm to both parties
Disease rate would spread and highten in numbers and i think no maytter what this would and could happen

[Angel Androgynous]

I'm sure this overlaps with free trade, no?

Do you mean trade without tariffs?

Well i am not just talking about underage ones i am talking about the kids who look older than they are going to one and i know for a fact that this would be true to happen

Marriage well it can still lead to this outcome husband has shouting match with wife husband storms out...

as for crimes Abuse towards prostitutes---->this would happen
assualts on prostitutes also forced rape
and before prostitution became illegal there were a lot of murders involving prostitutes
also kiddnaping and harm to both parties
Disease rate would spread and highten in numbers and i think no maytter what this would and could happen

Like I said, the prostitutes are making the choice.
Disease rate will only happen if condoms are not used properly.
There could be a law protecting prostitutes. If prostitution was legal, then a prostitute can actually sue against her rapist without going to jail herself.

[Sogeking]

Like I said, the prostitutes hurt no one other than themselves,
Unless the prostitute is the one that have the STD themselves. Also prostitutes ruin the relationships of other people if they are hired by someone who is in one.

What does marriage have to do with this? If a wife/husband knows how to please their spouse, they won't go looking for prostitutes. :rolleyes:
You think marriage is all about satisfying your partner?

Also there will be no crime if prostitution is legalized.
Uhh are you sure about that?

[DerBear]

Like I said, the prostitutes are making the choice.
Disease rate will only happen if condoms are not used properly.
There could be a law protecting prostitutes. If prostitution was legal, then a prostitute can actually sue against her rapist without going to jail herself

well now the low lifes who go to a prostitue will not think about condoms

and to the rest its rather simple

if we did not have protitution none of the above will happen now will it

Also can you tell me what good will come out of prostitution other than a woman or man earning money and some low life getting off

[Angel Androgynous]

Unless the prostitute is the one that have the STD themselves. Also prostitutes ruin the relationships of other people if they are hired by someone who is in one.


You think marriage is all about satisfying your partner?


Uhh are you sure about that?

1.Unless they use a condom...also, that is the person's fault for hiring the prostitute. So it's not the prostitute's fault.
2. No but prostitution is about satisfaction.
Also, if a couple can't hold a good marriage then they should either get marriage counselling or get a divorce because they obviously are not happy with each other.
3. I mean that if prostitution is legalized then if a prostitute is raped, then she can actually sue and be protected by the law and not go to jail herself for prostituting....

[Amnesiac]

I think its is all up to peoples morals i dont know how much good could come of this though i mean the following could and probably will happen

Chance of disease or condition

Already happens, because it's illegal. If it were legal, it could be effectively regulated.

underage sex
abuse
vilonce---->crime

Again, regulation.

more steryotypes
more use of the word "Whore"
also leading a stray from marrige

These don't matter.

Well i am not just talking about underage ones i am talking about the kids who look older than they are going to one and i know for a fact that this would be true to happen

Not if you regulate it.

Marriage well it can still lead to this outcome husband has shouting match with wife husband storms out...

And this is a reason to make it illegal?

as for crimes Abuse towards prostitutes---->this would happen
assualts on prostitutes also forced rape
and before prostitution became illegal there were a lot of murders involving prostitutes
also kiddnaping and harm to both parties
Disease rate would spread and highten in numbers and i think no maytter what this would and could happen

REGULATION.

well now the low lifes who go to a prostitue will not think about condoms

Regulation.

and to the rest its rather simple

if we did not have protitution none of the above will happen now will it

Yes it would.

Also can you tell me what good will come out of prostitution other than a woman or man earning money and some low life getting off

The underground prostitution industry wouldn't exist anymore.

[Angel Androgynous]

Also can you tell me what good will come out of prostitution other than a woman or man earning money and some low life getting off

Um sooo a woman or man earning money isn't good? :what:
A customer getting satisfaction is not good?

What good comes out of fast food restaurants other than the business owners earning money and people getting heart attacks? :/

What good comes out of soda besides companies getting money and people getting diabetes and other health problems? Hmmm....??


I think prostitution would be ok only if the prostitutes are guaranteed safety. For example, the women who stand on street corners waiting to be picked up are risking a lot. I was watching a documentary on prostitution once and one of the women they interviewed told of her friend who got into a car with a random guy and turned up dead a few days later. That kind of prostitution is not ok. At the very least, if prostitution is made legal those kinds of prostitutes should have some kind of protection. But prostitution in which the women (and men) are informed about their clients and know they aren't risking an STD or death is ok, in my opinion.

If prostitution is legalized then I am pretty sure that there will be protection for these women and men. Also like I said, if they get raped, they can report it and not go to jail themselves.

[Jess]

I have no problem whatsoever with prostitution and prostitutes. of course I don't approve of teen prostitutes either

[Angel Androgynous]

I have no problem whatsoever with prostitution and prostitutes. of course I don't approve of teen prostitutes either

Of course!

[DerBear]

Already happens, because it's illegal. If it were legal, it could be effectively regulated.



Again, regulation.



These don't matter.



Not if you regulate it.



And this is a reason to make it illegal?



REGULATION.



Regulation.



Yes it would.



The underground prostitution industry wouldn't exist anymore.

You have said regulation to almost everything on my other post regulation can be broken and i think it would be broken by either one party or both

[Angel Androgynous]

You have said regulation to almost everything on my other post regulation can be broken and i think it would be broken by either one party or both

Regulation can be broken but at least this time the prostitute will be protected by the law.

[Amnesiac]

You have said regulation to almost everything on my other post regulation can be broken and i think it would be broken by either one party or both

Trust me, if prostitution was legalized, it would probably be one of the most heavily regulated industries in the country. Restaurants are regulated so that their food doesn't hurt people. Breaking regulations almost never happens because it would be almost impossible to get away with.

The same applies to prostitution. It would be regulated so heavily that the companies that offer prostitution services wouldn't be able to afford breaking regulations.

[DerBear]

Trust me, if prostitution was legalized, it would probably be one of the most heavily regulated industries in the country. Restaurants are regulated so that their food doesn't hurt people. Breaking regulations almost never happens because it would be almost impossible to get away with.

The same applies to prostitution. It would be regulated so heavily that the companies that offer prostitution services wouldn't be able to afford breaking regulations.

you do have a point there but i think it will never get legalized

[Angel Androgynous]

you do have a point there but i think it will never get legalized

And that is why there is so much crime related to prostitution.

In fact I think NOT legalizing it is against the USA constitution, but I see that your location is Scotland and you probably do not know much about it. (:

[ShyGuyInChicago]

Legalizing prostitution would be good, because it can slow down the spread of STDs, Hepatitis, and HIV. It could also help in the fight against human trafficking, as regulation would mandate that only competent adults can prostitute and mandate where prostitution can take place so as to to help ensure that the participants are not behaving in ways that harm others. IT could also make it easier to determine who is a willing participant and who is not.

[Angel Androgynous]

Legalizing prostitution would be good, because it can slow down the spread of STDs, Hepatitis, and HIV. It could also help in the fight against human trafficking, as regulation would mandate that only competent adults can prostitute and mandate where prostitution can take place so as to to help ensure that the participants are not behaving in ways that harm others. IT could also make it easier to determine who is a willing participant and who is not.

Exactly! If prostitution is regulated, there can be a requirement for condoms and all that stuff! (: +1 for you! (Grr I gave out to many rep. points. I'll +1 you tomorrow :P)

[DerBear]

Becasue the UK is not as open as the USA shall we say. I think prostitution will alway have its pros and cons but i think if it came to a vote here in the uk it would not get passed but in the USA it might

[Angel Androgynous]

Becasue the UK is not as open as the USA shall we say. I think prostitution will alway have its pros and cons but i think if it came to a vote here in the uk it would not get passed but in the USA it might

Maybe. Hopefully it will....

[ShyGuyInChicago]

Exactly! If prostitution is regulated, there can be a requirement for condoms and all that stuff! (: +1 for you! (Grr I gave out to many rep. points. I'll +1 you tomorrow :P)

I am curious, what do you think about laws that criminalize prostitution, but only punish the people who buy sex. That is the law in Sweden. It considers prostitution a crime against women.

[Angel Androgynous]

I am curious, what do you think about laws that criminalize prostitution, but only punish the people who buy sex. That is the law in Sweden. It considers prostitution a crime against women.

Well it is really unfair to consider prostitution a crime (against anyone) when the individuals who prostitute have made the choice to prostitute themselves. (Assuming they were not raped/ or are sex slaves) So I do believe that if they are going to criminalize prostitution, then every participant should be punished. However, I am for legalizing prostitution.
That law is really something.... O.o
I guess they went by the saying:
Who's worse? The one who makes or the one who buys?

[ShyGuyInChicago]

Well it is really unfair to consider prostitution a crime (against anyone) when the individuals who prostitute have made the choice to prostitute themselves. (Assuming they were not raped/ or are sex slaves) So I do believe that if they are going to criminalize prostitution, then every participant should be punished. However, I am for legalizing prostitution.
That law is really something.... O.o
I guess they went by the saying:
Who's worse? The one who makes or the one who buys?

Some people feel that women who prostitute themselves are often forced into it by their circumstances (being poor for example) and that buying sex from them is degrading and exploitative. They feel that a woman would not sell her body unless times were tough.

[RoseyCadaver]

I believe it should be legal.If it does become legal is another subject.I think it is a person's choice,and if someone needs the extra money they should be able to.I don't really condone it,but if somebody does want to ,it should be their choice to do it.

[Korashk]

Trust me, if prostitution was legalized, it would probably be one of the most heavily regulated industries in the country. Restaurants are regulated so that their food doesn't hurt people. Breaking regulations almost never happens because it would be almost impossible to get away with.

The same applies to prostitution. It would be regulated so heavily that the companies that offer prostitution services wouldn't be able to afford breaking regulations.
I thought you were a proponent of the free market. Unless you're not Commander Awesome like I've been thinking for the past few months.

[Angel Androgynous]

Some people feel that women who prostitute themselves are often forced into it by their circumstances (being poor for example) and that buying sex from them is degrading and exploitative. They feel that a woman would not sell her body unless times were tough.
Well I see that, however if no one bought her body in tough times because they were going to be punished, then she is going to be even poorer. Therefore, a man buying a woman's body for a few minutes is actually helping her in a sense.

I believe it should be legal.If it does become legal is another subject.I think it is a person's choice,and if someone needs the extra money they should be able to.I don't really condone it,but if somebody does want to ,it should be their choice to do it.
Exactly. I don't get why it's illegal!

[DerBear]

Maybe. Hopefully it will....

This may sound rude and i dont mean it to be but do you want to be a prostitute or use a prostitutes serivce as you really want prostitution to be legalized

[Schizothemia]

I've been pro- prostitution a long time. I think George Carlin said it best when he said: "Selling is legal. Fucking is legal. Why isn't selling fucking legal?"

Prostitution is the individuals choice (be they male or female.) The government should not be allowed to dictate what a person does with their body as long as they are not infringing on the rights of another with that they are going.

The reason why prostitution will never be passed is because people think that morality is the equivalent of law. And that isn't the case because morality is far too subjective.

What a lot of nay sayers don't understand is that once legalized, it becomes a regulated industry which pretty much moots all the points against prostitution (once you get passed the whole "morality" issue of it all.)

As for the whole degradation argument; prostitution is only seen as degrading because people stigmatize it and that stems from the stigmatization of sex in general. So it's all just a massive clusterfuck really, that doens't have much of a basis.

[Angel Androgynous]

I've been pro- prostitution a long time. I think George Carlin said it best when he said: "Selling is legal. Fucking is legal. Why isn't selling fucking legal?"

Prostitution is the individuals choice (be they male or female.) The government should not be allowed to dictate what a person does with their body as long as they are not infringing on the rights of another with that they are going.

The reason why prostitution will never be passed is because people think that morality is the equivalent of law. And that isn't the case because morality is far too subjective.

What a lot of nay sayers don't understand is that once legalized, it becomes a regulated industry which pretty much moots all the points against prostitution (once you get passed the whole "morality" issue of it all.)

As for the whole degradation argument; prostitution is only seen as degrading because people stigmatize it and that stems from the stigmatization of sex in general. So it's all just a massive clusterfuck really, that doens't have much of a basis.

Haha I love George Carlin. (: Exactly! I really don't see why those people cannot open their minds a little and not be so uptight!


This may sound rude and i dont mean it to be but do you want to be a prostitute or use a prostitutes serivce as you really want prostitution to be legalized
Not at all. I want gay marriage to be legalized everywhere and I feel really strongly about it. Am I a lesbian/bisexual? No. It's just a matter of rights really. And I think a grown individual has the right to use their body however they wish.

[Amnesiac]

I thought you were a proponent of the free market. Unless you're not Commander Awesome like I've been thinking for the past few months.

I usually support consumer protections regulations. I mean, when it comes to physical things like prostitution and food/drugs, some regulation is necessary.

[Tango]

I have nothing against it. Obviously having it illegal isn't doing anything when 11 year olds are having sex with 30 year olds, 16 year olds are having sex with every guy they know, and prostitution happening every day ever where.

There is obviously risks involved but as long as the people are over 18, they should be smart enough to realize there are risks.

[Angel Androgynous]

I have nothing against it. Obviously having it illegal isn't doing anything when 11 year olds are having sex with 30 year olds, 16 year olds are having sex with every guy they know, and prostitution happening every day ever where.

There is obviously risks involved but as long as the people are over 18, they should be smart enough to realize there are risks.

Exactly. And if prostitution is regulated, and there were laws that they had to use condoms, and they were protected by law, there would be much less risks.

[HaydenM]

I'm sorry and please don't flame me too hard, but I do have something against prostitution. To allow it makes SEX into a commodity. It turns something that in my opinion should be a show of love and affection between two people into just screwing someone for a buck because you are too lazy to actually pick up a girl at a pub or actually get into a relationship.

[Angel Androgynous]

I'm sorry and please don't flame me too hard, but I do have something against prostitution. To allow it makes SEX into a commodity. It turns something that in my opinion should be a show of love and affection between two people into just screwing someone for a buck because you are too lazy to actually pick up a girl at a pub or actually get into a relationship.
It's alright, it is your opinion and you won't get flamed for it. ^_^
However, sex isn't as...how do I put it.... exclusive to some people. They like hooking up, they are desperate, and they want a quick screw. Not only that, but prostitution, helps prostitutes earn money when times are tough. It's really simple: If one doesn't like prostitution, don't buy a person's body for sex. (: I am sure that if it was legalized it won't affect you in any way, since you sound like you would never buy a prostitute for a night. :P

[HaydenM]

no I don't believe I ever would purchase a lady of the night :P

Although it wouldn't "affect" me, this law would NEVER be passed in Australia and I would doubt it would be passed in America, With the large amount of both of these cultures being religious this would clash with prostitutes.

[Angel Androgynous]

no I don't believe I ever would purchase a lady of the night :P

Although it wouldn't "affect" me, this law would NEVER be passed in Australia and I would doubt it would be passed in America, With the large amount of both of these cultures being religious this would clash with prostitutes.

Yeah...it would be a cool yet strange petition though. xD *sigh* The world isn't a theocracy anymore. Why can't people realize that?

[Continuum]

Prostitution should be legal, no doubt. With some regulations here and there, it won't be as distinguishable from other major industries that are too. It shouldn't be a harm to society as "illegal" drugs -another strictly stigmatized object in most parts of the world- are. Prohibition doesn't stop demands. People would only resort to underground ways to fix that demand, which in turn brings more expense for a government to fix. It brings more problems than "morality" is supposed to cover.

[HaydenM]

I'm most definitely athiest and proud of it but morally I disagree with prostitution and although the world might not be a theocracy most 1st world western country still have large Christian populations

[Angel Androgynous]

Prostitution should be legal, no doubt. With some regulations here and there, it won't be as distinguishable from other major industries that are too. It shouldn't be a harm to society as "illegal" drugs -another strictly stigmatized object in most parts of the world- are. Prohibition doesn't stop demands. People would only resort to underground ways to fix that demand, which in turn brings more expense for a government to fix. It brings more problems than "morality" is supposed to cover.
Exactly! Making something illegal does not make it go away, it makes it go underground!

I'm most definitely athiest and proud of it but morally I disagree with prostitution and although the world might not be a theocracy most 1st world western country still have large Christian populations
Yeah but the laws are not based off religion anymore. Gaul's point is very excellent (and so are a few other people's ^_^) and they state that if prostitution is illegal, it is underground and much more dangerous. Moral values do not fix that. (:

[Schizothemia]

I'm most definitely athiest and proud of it but morally I disagree with prostitution and although the world might not be a theocracy most 1st world western country still have large Christian populations

Sorry, not to sound rude, but what moral arguments do you have against prostitution that aren't based on some form of religiosity?

While sex is a wonderful way to strengthen bonds and relationships, we do also have biological needs that superceed any type of psychological need for relationships. Sometimes, to be blunt, we need a good fuck.

As someone mentioned earlier, by prohibiting this (and many other things that really don't cause much harm, here's looking at you pot) you force them to go underground. When something like prostitution goes underground you facilitate the spread of STD's, the Pimp mentality, and then you are criminalizing something that ultimately wouldn't be causing the same issues were it regulated. Then you have prostitutes being jailed with killers and then it only spirals downhill.

Morality does not equate to legality. They are two separate issues that should not have any bearing on the other, unfortunately not everyone is capable of accepting this difference.

[Angel Androgynous]

Haha I didn't think so many people would be on my side! I'm speechless! Everything has been said for me. (: Hopefully one day someone makes a petition to make prostitution legal. That would be a huge change in society, but that's what we want: Change. ^_^ I know that when I am ready to vote, I'll be voting yes for legalizing prostitution!

[DerBear]

Well you have changed my mind i am still a little wary but you have changed it

[Angel Androgynous]

Well you have changed my mind i am still a little wary but you have changed it

Haha our thinking changes over time. (: Glad that you agree now. ^_^ I am also glad that you opened your mind to this.

[Ben Michael]

I personally have no problem with it being legal but as for myself I wouldn't hire one (for risk of STDs) but if you want to I won't hold it against you. Remember we are the future of our countries if we can put our minds to it were unstoppable

[Angel Androgynous]

I personally have no problem with it being legal but as for myself I wouldn't hire one (for risk of STDs) but if you want to I won't hold it against you. Remember we are the future of our countries if we can put our minds to it were unstoppable

Haha I do not want to hire prostitutes, but I want prostitution to be legal for the sake of these individuals to have a right to do whatever they want with their own body, and to make prostitution safer for these individuals. (:

[ShyGuyInChicago]

Well I see that, however if no one bought her body in tough times because they were going to be punished, then she is going to be even poorer. Therefore, a man buying a woman's body for a few minutes is actually helping her in a sense.


Exactly. I don't get why it's illegal!

Also, there is the idea that prostitution fosters the attitude that women are objects that exist solely for the sexual pleasure of men, and that it could warp how men treat the women in their lives.

[Angel Androgynous]

Also, there is the idea that prostitution fosters the attitude that women are objects that exist solely for the sexual pleasure of men, and that it could warp how men treat the women in their lives.

Not only women prostitute....that's the thing.
And I can see how they can get that idea. However, strippers don't give people that idea... and if guys tried to treat women like objects these days, they'd get a kick in the nuts. :rolleyes:
And the individual prostituting made that choice... it doesn't make them any less worthy or a second class citizen in my opinion.

[ShyGuyInChicago]

Not only women prostitute....that's the thing.
And I can see how they can get that idea. However, strippers don't give people that idea... and if guys tried to treat women like objects these days, they'd get a kick in the nuts. :rolleyes:
And the individual prostituting made that choice... it doesn't make them any less worthy or a second class citizen in my opinion.
Unfortunately some men have the idea that women are second class citizens. That is the rationale behind the laws in Sweden. They feel that prostitution will encourage men to treat women like objects and to be violent towards them. Legalization could help make such women safer, and could very help encourage men to treat women with respect.

[Angel Androgynous]

Unfortunately some men have the idea that women are second class citizens. That is the rationale behind the laws in Sweden. They feel that prostitution will encourage men to treat women like objects and to be violent towards them. Legalization could help make such women safer, and could very help encourage men to treat women with respect.

Exactly. (: I hope that things become better for women around the world. ^_^

[huginnmuninn]

Unfortunately some men have the idea that women are second class citizens. That is the rationale behind the laws in Sweden. They feel that prostitution will encourage men to treat women like objects and to be violent towards them. Legalization could help make such women safer, and could very help encourage men to treat women with respect.

i disagree with the last part because if i can go out and buy a women the same as i could buy as video game then i would probably think of women more as objects. my reasoning is that when you can put a monetary price to something it says that that something is equal to an object (money in this instance) and it reduces it to an object.

[ShyGuyInChicago]

i disagree with the last part because if i can go out and buy a women the same as i could buy as video game then i would probably think of women more as objects. my reasoning is that when you can put a monetary price to something it says that that something is equal to an object (money in this instance) and it reduces it to an object.

I should have been more clear. With legalization prostitution can be regulated and safeguard can be put in place to make it less dangerous and curb violence, rape, and the like. There could be places set up and rules for the johns to follow to ensure the safety of the workers. All of that could foster positive attitudes for women.

[huginnmuninn]

I should have been more clear. With legalization prostitution can be regulated and safeguard can be put in place to make it less dangerous and curb violence, rape, and the like. There could be places set up and rules for the johns to follow to ensure the safety of the workers. All of that could foster positive attitudes for women.

ok that makes sense. thanks for the clarification

[CaptainObvious]

Prostitution should be legal. There's no argument against it.

Well since no argument exists about it, here's one:

The majority of prostitutes do not make a truly free choice to engage in the act. Statistics show that the vast majority of prostitutes enter the profession through duress or outright abuse, but almost always for a pressing and exigent need. If coercion or economic duress is a central part of the profession - and it is well known and undisputed that prostitutes suffer often horrendous working conditions as well as ongoing coercion from pimps etc. etc. - then the significant harm that comes to its participants would be reason enough to make it illegal. Were it, that is, that making it illegal would decrease the incidence of those problems. It may not, as for drugs. In fact, it may be that the illegality is a central part of the problems.

You cannot, however, merely dismiss the arguments out of hand.

[Angel Androgynous]

Well since no argument exists about it, here's one:

The majority of prostitutes do not make a truly free choice to engage in the act. Statistics show that the vast majority of prostitutes enter the profession through duress or outright abuse, but almost always for a pressing and exigent need. If coercion or economic duress is a central part of the profession - and it is well known and undisputed that prostitutes suffer often horrendous working conditions as well as ongoing coercion from pimps etc. etc. - then the significant harm that comes to its participants would be reason enough to make it illegal. Were it, that is, that making it illegal would decrease the incidence of those problems. It may not, as for drugs. In fact, it may be that the illegality is a central part of the problems.

You cannot, however, merely dismiss the arguments out of hand.

If prostitution is legalized, and regulated, there could be a law against pimping and the prostitutes will be protected by the law.
Also it might be a good option for an individual who needs extra money. (And not only women prostitute...)

[CaptainObvious]

If prostitution is legalized, and regulated, there could be a law against pimping and the prostitutes will be protected by the law.
Also it might be a good option for an individual who needs extra money. (And not only women prostitute...)

It could. On the other hand, the inability to prosecute the obvious (and less harmful) parts of prostitution (the selling and buying on the streets) will inevitably make it more difficult to prosecute the other things that come along with prostitution that we may not like. As a corollary example, it is obvious that legalizing alcohol makes alcohol easier to get for minors, because the ability to regulate point of sale more adequately is counterbalanced by the proliferation of points of sale and the inevitable loss of some measure of control that that entails.

[Iris]

As a corollary example, it is obvious that legalizing alcohol makes alcohol easier to get for minors, because the ability to regulate point of sale more adequately is counterbalanced by the proliferation of points of sale and the inevitable loss of some measure of control that that entails.

But think about Prohibition in the US in the 1920/30s. The US sought to outlaw alcohol because of the "immorality" connected to it (very similar to the immorality of prostitution), and instead of controlling it, Prohibition spawned loads of organized crime, and bootlegging alcohol was rampant (again, similar to the prostitution still common in the streets despite it's illegality). Legalizing prostitution has some cons, like you said, but I believe the pros outweigh them.

[Angel Androgynous]

Time to get this back up and running. Lilys is correct.

If prostitution is regulated correctly, there would be little to no problems.

[ShyGuyInChicago]

And that is why there is so much crime related to prostitution.

In fact I think NOT legalizing it is against the USA constitution, but I see that your location is Scotland and you probably do not know much about it. (:

Why do you think anti-prostitution laws are unconstitutional?

[Angel Androgynous]

Mostly because the act of prostitution itself is not hurting anyone if used correctly. (With a condom, and if it is regulated) and if guys can sell sperm, and women can be surrogate mothers, why can't people sell sex?

[ShyGuyInChicago]

Mostly because the act of prostitution itself is not hurting anyone if used correctly. (With a condom, and if it is regulated) and if guys can sell sperm, and women can be surrogate mothers, why can't people sell sex?

That does make sense, but I am not sure that the Constitution necessarily allows everything that causes. Do you have anything said by legal experts to back that up?

[Angel Androgynous]

Mm perhaps I should have worded it differently. xD
Prostitution is illegal for "moral" reasons, and is therefore underground, unregulated, and dangerous. Prostitution does not violate the USA constitution in any way.

[HaydenM]

Ida, the problem with saying that it "would be regulated" is honestly an "ideal world" situation. What they would do it continue to work it how it is, they have done it all these years while it has been illegal so why not just keep breaking the law?

[Angel Androgynous]

Because innocent prostitutes go to jail, are getting raped and abused, and they can barely do anything about it. With it being legalized, prostitutes get more protection.

[Maxxie]

Because innocent prostitutes go to jail, are getting raped and abused, and they can barely do anything about it. With it being legalized, prostitutes get more protection.

This. Prostitutes of this day and age have absolutely no defense from abuse and rape, legally or "morally". They are the "scum of the earth" simply because they use their bodies to make money. I'm not saying that's an acceptable lifestyle, because they're hurting themselves in ways that they can never mend, and I'm not saying it should be condoned, but it at least should be tolerated and respected as a line of work, but they deserve basic human rights.

[Angel Androgynous]

Exactly. I hate it when people automatically think that prostitutes are bad and horrible people. They deserve tolerance and acceptance because they are doing nothing wrong.

[dnlsmth]

prostitution is wrong. But ur saying the government shud not be one to tell us what is right or wrong? so ur all for legalising murder and rape?

anyway, i am almost certain that basically every woman would not enjoy being a prostitute. right? the reason that they do it is because they are desperate for money and can not get another job somewhere. it is quite common for drug use to lead to prostitution because drugs are expensive and social welfare isnt very much so they turn to this kind of stuff to afford it.

the reason it is illegal is to protect them. it does hurt them and i like i sed i would assume many would not enjoy that kind of living.

[SquashedFly]

prostitution is wrong. But ur saying the government shud not be one to tell us what is right or wrong? so ur all for legalising murder and rape?

anyway, i am almost certain that basically every woman would not enjoy being a prostitute. right? the reason that they do it is because they are desperate for money and can not get another job somewhere. it is quite common for drug use to lead to prostitution because drugs are expensive and social welfare isnt very much so they turn to this kind of stuff to afford it.

the reason it is illegal is to protect them. it does hurt them and i like i sed i would assume many would not enjoy that kind of living.


So while it is illegal women are pushed into potential rape, violence, unsanitary conditions and a generally unsafe environment while being at the mercy of some scumbag pimp or similar. How is that protecting them? Some women would choose such a profession out of choice, especially if the environment they were in was deemed to be in their favour. Would you not rather those women be in a position of power and safety?

If we whittle it down to a basic business transaction and ensure an environment in which a woman chose] to do such a thing I am all for it. What is immoral about two consenting parties choosing to partake in such an act? I'm pretty sure it's possible for women to enjoy sex, and if they are willing to offer their bodies to receive pay in turn then they should have a right to do it in a safe environment and all the power to them.

It's the sensible thing to do. Legalizing prostitution will offer that protection.

[Angel Androgynous]

Prostitution is only "wrong" because being promiscuous is "wrong" and doing it for money is "wronger." It's what we've been told all our lives. Please explain how the act of prostitution is wrong without saying that it's disgusting or that sex is "special."
Uhh...Murer and rape in itself hurts people. The act of prostitution itself does not. Prostitution is only dangerous because it is illegal. And not only women prostitute. If an individual consents to be a prostitute, why not? Especially if it is legal and regulated and not underground.
What about a person who is really poor and their family member is really sick and they have no other way of earning money so they turn to prostitution? (And you know what, it happens! Poor people have kids to feed and bills to pay too! It's not "disgusting" or "wrong"....in fact, in this situation, it's fucking heroic!) If it's illegal, they can be raped, beaten, and thrown in jail....just because prostitution is not legalized.
Another point I would like to bring up: Ask an average person if they like their job. Barely anyone does. If prostitution is legalized, an individual can move on to another job with no worries of jail records...

[CyanideGoodnight]

Agreed. I never understood WHY it's illegal in the first place! I mean, sex is legal, but once money is involved with it it's illegal! I never understood that... there's no reason at all it shouldn't be legal. The law for this, in my opinion, is completly pointless.

[Angel Androgynous]

Agreed. I never understood WHY it's illegal in the first place! I mean, sex is legal, but once money is involved with it it's illegal! I never understood that... there's no reason at all it shouldn't be legal. The law for this, in my opinion, is completly pointless.

Yep. For some reason being a porn star is legal... and being a prostitute isn't. A camera changes everything, eh?

[aperson444]

I think that if it's the woman/man's right, then let it be. I think the age of consent should be lowered a bit too, maybe just a year or two. (16 or 17). However any large syndicate like a brothel should be taxed and watched carefully and they should require the use of condoms. Individual prostitutes should not be required to use condoms, but should be heavily encouraged to do so. By making prostitution illegal, you are putting these people at the mercy of criminal organizations and sex traffickers. Not a very good idea. These will still exist for underage prostitution though, so the only way to completely eliminate this market would be to legalize all forms of prostitution, even child prostitution. I don't think anyone thinks that THAT is an option.

[User Deleted]

As my view has always been, its your life do with it what you want (my exceptions are killing another person and forcing someone else to kill you, one is evil, two makes them feel guilty. Rape is bad as well but the exceptions are kind of obvious other than those two I would hope) So as my previously stated statement from the necrophilia thread, people are ridiculous and it is fine. They are dead, they CANT care. As for prostitution, its both the customer and the client's choice, it is fine because they agree.

[Qunt]

I think its easy for them, think about it, they get fahked and get paid money.. but the bad part is the customer.. you wont know if he has any disease

[Angel Androgynous]

I think its easy for them, think about it, they get fahked and get paid money.. but the bad part is the customer.. you wont know if he has any disease

One word:
Condoms.

[HaydenM]

Vulpes, with all due respect, the problem with your logic is that it tears apart society (aka fraud is okay, its okay to steal from each-other, its okay to deface someone, okay to assault, okay to mug, okay to torture, its okay to pretty much do anything). This thing we call morality is a vital part of out culture and without it we would be screwed.

With prostitution I think it is a kinda off issue, if they want to do it go for it. But as for society accepting it I think that is completely different. The majority of society is religious and religion doesn't usually accept people selling their bodies.

[Angel Androgynous]

Vulpes, with all due respect, the problem with your logic is that it tears apart society (aka fraud is okay, its okay to steal from each-other, its okay to deface someone, okay to assault, okay to mug, okay to torture, its okay to pretty much do anything). This thing we call morality is a vital part of out culture and without it we would be screwed.

With prostitution I think it is a kinda off issue, if they want to do it go for it. But as for society accepting it I think that is completely different. The majority of society is religious and religion doesn't usually accept people selling their bodies.

The fact of the matter is, murder, theft and prostitution are not comparable. Murder hurts people, theft hurts people...prostitution, on the other hand does not. Both individuals are consenting to engage in a sexual act for money. If someone is against prostitution...it's pretty fucking simple... don't buy a prostitute's service... and don't become a prostitute! Also, this is a matter of individual rights. Society can go fuck itself in this case. :P

[aperson444]

Vulpes, with all due respect, the problem with your logic is that it tears apart society (aka fraud is okay, its okay to steal from each-other, its okay to deface someone, okay to assault, okay to mug, okay to torture, its okay to pretty much do anything). This thing we call morality is a vital part of out culture and without it we would be screwed.

Morals are innate in all healthy human beings. Those are the only morals that should really exist. Things like don't murder, don't steal, don't rape. Otherwise there is someone who says something is right or wrong. At one point, someone decided x was wrong, thus it is now immoral. We can't shove personal reservations down the throats of others.

[screamtobeheard]

(Pardon my bad grammar in this post. I'm tired and not in the mood for proofreading.) Prostitutes have more money than I do, and in all honesty, I think everyone has the right to make what they want out of their own lives. So I've got no problem with them. Their lives. If it makes them happy and gets them the money they need, it shouldn't be illegal. But that's just my opinion.

[Sporadica]

To quote George Carlin (from memory)

"Selling is legal, fucking is legal, why isn't selling fucking legal?"
"I don't see whats so wrong with selling something thats perfectly legal to give away"


In Canada there is infact no law regarding prostitution thus making it illegal but there are 3 laws that make it illegal

The Criminal Code prohibits all forms of public communication for the purpose of prostitution (s.213 [5])
(ss.210 [6] and 211 [7]) most forms of indoor prostitution as well: owning, running, transporting or occupying bawdy house
(s.212 [8]) procuring or living on the avails of prostitution

in otherwords it's illegal to
Solicit the act of prostitution (for johns)
operating a brothel
managing a prostitute and regulating it

so basically these 3 laws say that a woman cannot work on the streets nor in a private property and the ability of making it a safe regulated business like a store or special ending massage place is illegal because prostitutes cannot be managed by someone else

oh also the age of consent in Canada is 16 but a 16 or 17 year old selling sex to an adult is considered illegal and child abuse, children are allowed to sell anything at any age, foundations of capitalism but when it comes to their own selves they can do it at 18 but not 16 even though they can legally consent to giving it away

I would love to repeal all of those laws in my opinion

[SinisterMystery]

It's the Prostitutes choice, no one elses. Unless of course they are being forced... Anways if they choose to do it that's their problem. I am neither for nor against it. It's personal choice.

[Noooooooooo]

Yep. For some reason being a porn star is legal... and being a prostitute isn't. A camera changes everything, eh?


Olol, I shall not waste my valuable time reading all of these arguements!
There is a difference between being owned by a pimp and being filmed for pornography.Lawl!!
You're funnieeeeeh :3
Your arguments stand broken against my speech.
The most valid argument for making them illegal is that organized crime tends to get involved with these activities.
OP, if you want to be a prostitute(Nothing wrong with that :>) you can go to Nevada(Prostitution is legal in many parts of Nevada.) and do sex for money all you want +---(^_^)---+
Happy happy happyyy faaace dot dot dot...

[Genghis Khan]

There is a difference between being owned by a pimp and being filmed for pornography.Lawl!!

Pimps don't 'own' prostitutes per say. Their job is to take their girls around sketchy parts of town so they can meet their clients. They're there to serve as security, making sure no one, oh how do those kids put it um, 'put a cap in that hoes tight ass'.


Your arguments stand broken against my speech.

T_T ... what speech?

[embers]

The most valid argument for making them illegal is that organized crime tends to get involved with these activities.

Oh wow. My jaw kind of dropped there. A reason to legalise this is that, deeming the 'morality' arguments here bullshit, this reason can be dismissed because legalising prostitution would lead to prostitutes being even better protected from involvement in organised crime.

I'm going to read what you said again and spend the next five minutes wishing I didn't.

[Noooooooooo]

Oh wow. My jaw kind of dropped there.

You are turning me on.

A reason to legalise this is that, deeming the 'morality' arguments here bullshit, this reason can be dismissed because legalising prostitution would lead to prostitutes being even better protected from involvement in organised crime.


Was that meant to be funny?

I'm going to read what you said again and spend the next five minutes wishing I didn't.

And i'm going to burry my head in the sand. :>

[Genghis Khan]

Was that meant to be funny?

The point was how in any way would organized crime get involved in prostitution when it is legalized?

[Sebastian Michaelis]

Prostitutes shouldn't be judged. You shouldn't judge anyone until you know them. Maybe it is their last resort for getting money or they are forced into it or many other possibilities. It should also be legal. The only reason the government doesn't like it is because they can't find a way to tax it, those greedy bastards.

[Angel Androgynous]

Olol, I shall not waste my valuable time reading all of these arguements!
Then why the hell bother posting?


There is a difference between being owned by a pimp and being filmed for pornography.Lawl!!


Lawllawllawl!! :bigsmile:

I am against human trafficking and sex slaves. I am for prostitution if it is the individual's choice... If s/he wants a pimp... s/he wants a pimp... BY THE WAY, if you legalize prostitution, s/he won't need a pimp. S/he will be protected by the law.



You're funnieeeeeh :3
Thanks, I try, but that is irrelevant.


Your arguments stand broken against my speech.
Oh noo! You just won the debate with this one post! I'm so fucking scared. :(


The most valid argument for making them illegal is that organized crime tends to get involved with these activities.
There are only crimes that involve prostitution because prostitution is illegal and because prostitutes are not protected by law. If you would've read at least half the posts in this thread, you would've realized that this was discussed.


OP, if you want to be a prostitute(Nothing wrong with that :>) you can go to Nevada(Prostitution is legal in many parts of Nevada.) and do sex for money all you want +---(^_^)---+
Happy happy happyyy faaace dot dot dot...
Where the fuck did I say that I want to be a prostitute? :/ I don't, actually, but if someone wants to be one, they should be able. It's their business.
:yawn:

[embers]

Was that meant to be funny?

Are you a fucking idiot? I validly refuted your argument.

[danny7]

earlier i said on a thread dat the government gets too FUKING involved in the people's lives. Well, if prostitution was completely legal, the government will demand a tax on it, you no how da government is, and it turns into a national industry with tax to the government instead of a private around the street pik up prostitution. Any followers?

-Dat government controls everyting!

[Commander Thor]

earlier i said on a thread dat the government gets too FUKING involved in the people's lives. Well, if prostitution was completely legal, the government will demand a tax on it, you no how da government is, and it turns into a national industry with tax to the government instead of a private around the street pik up prostitution. Any followers?

-Dat government controls everyting!

Dis thread is 3 & 1/2 months old, yo. Please don't bump threads older than 2 months 'cause, dats not coo man.

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