america a terrorist`

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

This is a all you fascist pricks who think the United States of America is the worlds biggest terrorist. It turns out we help the world in more ways than any of your countries ever have.

http://img227.echo.cx/img227/9460/aid9bi.jpg

Yep thats right, 19 billion dollars to all the poor, homeless, and needy everywhere in the world, every single year.

[nwshc]

Im surprised france is even that high. That must be exagorated.

[nwshc]

I only have one problem with the graph. Shouldnt it say 18.999 insted of 18,999? Im just being picky. When i first looked at it i thought it said we give 18 trillion and New Zeland gave 210 billion. Thats just me though.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

hmm i think its supposed to be in millions of dollars, so that 18,999 thousand million dollars would be 19 billion dollars, am i correct? in any case its easy to see how nice and caring we are :D

[nwshc]

Ya, no mater how you look at it, we are on top and thats all that counts.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

yep, damn straight

go USA!

[redcar]

yippe irelands on the list!!!!!!!!!!!
we are great!!!

[serial-thrilla]

the reason that america is so high is because they have a very large population of wealthy people. person for person canada donates more.

[Whisper]

Not to mention other stuff like man power such as doctors, nurses, voluteers. Then theres food, water medical supplys that canada also donates

America is known as an international power economically politically and millitary.

America has the strongest millitary on the planet, thats what you known for cause its true
Your not known for your international aid or peacekeeping abilitys

[serial-thrilla]

exactly, im not bashing america or anything but canada is known for peace keeping while the US is not.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

im not trying to bash any countries or anything either, im just trying to bring it to your attention that america helps more people than anyone else

[Ravenous]

Giving to the poor isnt evrything.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

oh really? why dont you enlighten us on whats better than giving to the poor?

[TheWizard]

I think helping other nations is a noble cause by all countries. And I believe helping them create a strong ecomene is the path to self support.

[Ravenous]

Not blowing the shit out of other countries to find WMD's which you already knew werent there. I mean theres sattelites out there that can read a car licence plate. So how could you not just check for these WMD's with the sattelites instead of going in and killing thousands of civilians.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

have you ever heard of the concept of hiding things underground? hmmmm as much as youd like me to believe i really dont think your an expert on our satellite imagery quality, nor can you prove that we knew WMD werent there.

[Ravenous]

Whatever im jus raising a point that giving money to the poor dosent make you the best country.

[nwshc]

Hey Matt, where did you get that graph or is it a secret :?:

[serial-thrilla]

maybe he made it *gasps*






















relax im kidding

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

gasp gasp. got it from a website quoting the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.

[maximan]

gasp gasp. got it from a website quoting the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.

Address please?

[nwshc]

Just google it

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

thats like the answer to everything :D

[maximan]

Until you provide a source, it's BS. I could make up graphs just like that and cite a source without proof.

[nwshc]

Do you think he would actually take the time to make that graph in Excel or something to slam propaganda in your face? No. Unlike some people here *cough* we do.

[nwshc]

And he did provide the source, just not the address, which is perfectly fine.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

just to please your idiot logic of me wasting my time making up useless bullshit, ill go ahead and give you the source.

http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp?so=d2004#oda

[serial-thrilla]

uh oh cosmos can back it up. your in trouble now! :)

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

hahahahah! :) and thats not even a primary source, if you really want the info go to the actual website of the OECD

[Anonymous]

every single year? that was 2k4

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

conratulations, everyone has donated the same percent of their GDP for quite some time now

[Anonymous]

w/eand is that a tally of what the government has been donating or what we the people have donated? if its the government, id say it total bs

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

its the government, and id say your the one whose full of bs becaus you have no evidence that supports otherwise--your just talking out your ass

[nwshc]

its the government, and id say your the one whose full of bs becaus you have no evidence that supports otherwise--your just talking out your ass

Its all out of his ass like everything else he has tried to debate.

[Anonymous]

you just have to put everything i sya down instead of just letting me voic emy opinion dont you? notice how were trying to make ourselves look good by donating more as we attack and alienate more poor countries. were dobnating that because we have to cover up the alienation thats going on. go ahead and say its out of my ass, but its my view of whats going on, my opinion, you have yours, yours may be mor ewell known and popular, but you could very well be wrong. non of us truly knows whats going on, the government isnt going to say whats actually happenening plain out, and we cnat trust what they do. whats going on may very well be a combination of both sides, but we probably wont ever know the full story. oh, lemme save you the time of saying it, quote nwshc"youre just pulling this out of your ass"quote

[Dante]

According, your charts Cosmos we give more than any country in the World, but I have a little chart of my own.

National
Gun Violence Statistics



People
In 1999, approximately 10,096 people were murdered by guns in the United States.[1]

In 1998, over 30,000 people died from gunshots in the U.S.[2]

A gun kept in the home is 22 times more likely to kill a family member or a friend than it is to be used against an intruder.[3]

10 children are killed by guns in the U.S. every day, on average.[4]

In 1996, handguns were used to murder 2 people in New Zealand, 15 in Japan, 30 in Great Britain, 106 in Canada, 211 in Germany, and 9,390 in the United States.[5]

Costs
In a book published in 2000, Professors Philip J. Cook and Jens Ludwig estimate that the total annual cost of gun violence in the U.S. is $100,000,000,000 (One Hundred Billion dollars).[6]

The estimated cost of direct health care expenditures for firearm-related injuries in the US in 1995 was $4,000,000,000 (Four Billion dollars).[7]

The costs of treating gunshot wounds can reach over $100,000,000 (One Hundred Million dollars) at an average county hospital.[8]


*this info might not be as recent as ur charts cosmos....but it pretty much sows where The US is at....oh and by the way if you think its better now....It isnt.......and this probably could count as some sort of terrorism.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

im sure this has nothing to do with 300 million people and their right to bear arms... where are you going with this? what difference does it make in international politics?

[Dante]

your saying that u know other countries view america as terrorists...I mean this has nothing to with international policies, but this is important nonetheless....So you could show the good in America, but my info is probably part of the reason why they view us as terrorists, because of the violence here.....Yea we have the right to bear arms, but it doesnt justify us killing people.

[nwshc]

you just have to put everything i sya down instead of just letting me voic emy opinion dont you? notice how were trying to make ourselves look good by donating more as we attack and alienate more poor countries. were dobnating that because we have to cover up the alienation thats going on. go ahead and say its out of my ass, but its my view of whats going on, my opinion, you have yours, yours may be mor ewell known and popular, but you could very well be wrong. non of us truly knows whats going on, the government isnt going to say whats actually happenening plain out, and we cnat trust what they do. whats going on may very well be a combination of both sides, but we probably wont ever know the full story. oh, lemme save you the time of saying it, quote nwshc"youre just pulling this out of your ass"quote

We donate money to help other countrys and people to get thru their tough times. Not to cover our asses...

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

your saying that u know other countries view america as terrorists...I mean this has nothing to with international policies, but this is important nonetheless....So you could show the good in America, but my info is probably part of the reason why they view us as terrorists, because of the violence here.....Yea we have the right to bear arms, but it doesnt justify us killing people.

but internal violence doesnt reflect on your country at all, because there's no way to prevent crime. and its not like sanctioned by the government or anything

[Dante]

what do u mean internal violence doesnt refelct on our country....it reflects on our country BIG time, thats when other countries look at us...they say we're barbaric.

[nwshc]

Hes trying to say it has nothing to do with what the USA donates, which is what this is all about.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

ya, that and.... ya, that. :)

[Dante]

yes, but look at the topic "america a terrorist"..if he is talking about donations, then he the title should be changed.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

the title was sarcastic ;)

[Anonymous]

merica really is a terrorist though, so i cant really see the sarcasm.

[nwshc]

Would you like to explain that popo? And no opinions. This is all strait facts and nothing else.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

ya honestly, humor me with how your going to try and explain this

[serial-thrilla]

i think that america is far from perfect but i wouldnt go as far as saying that their terrorists.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

ya, beacuse if that be the case you dont know how to define terrorist

[nwshc]

I will define it for him so he doesn't have any problems otherwise:

ter·ror·ism -


The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

ter·ror·ist -

One that engages in acts or an act of terrorism.

[maximan]

I will define it for him so he doesn't have any problems otherwise:

ter·ror·ism -

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.


Um...IRAQ WAR. That matches the definition exactly.

[nwshc]

No it doesnt. My brain is fuzzy right now but the Iraq war was :
1) To get ride of a dictator that has murdered millions of people unlawfully.
2) To Get ride of a dictator that had WMD's and could use them at anytime.
a) We have not found the WMD's. I know this. Just remember that there is such a thing as hiding them:!:
b) Sadam would not let UN inspectors in many locations thought to have WMD's.
3) To liberate millions of other Iraqies from dictatorship.
4) He harbored terrorists. A big no-no.
5)Um... Cant think of anymore. Dam. Matt, do you have anything to add?

We did not go to war to:
1) get there oil. Anyone who argues this is a moron.
2) Take them over.
3) Take there oil
4) For the fun of it and to be a bullie
5) Did i mention oil?

[maximan]

There are much better ways of overthrowing a government than just simply attacking them with no UN support. I know there are no WMDs. The day they presented all their "evidence" to the UN, i was sick, and I watched all 6 god damn hours of that, since there was nothing else on. All their photos of "mobile chem labs" could have just as easily been simply 18 wheelers. All their evidence was extremely sketchy. So while saddam needed to be overthrown, there was no reason just to attack. Saddam posed no threat to the US.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

he posed a huge threat, because we thought he had the capability of killing americans. oh, and its not that he was just posing a threat to the us, he was posing a threat to freedom and democracy in the world.

im going to add to nicks list with my own.

Things that have arisen from the the invasion of Iraq:

1. Suddam Hussien, harborer of terrorists and oppressor to his people, is no longer in power
2. There is no more gassing of the Kurds because of their religious beliefs
3. There are no more mass graves being dug because there are no more mass murders (see #1)
4. An internet and communications backbone has been established in the country
5. Democracy has triumphed in the face of evil
6. 26 million people got to vote for their own freedom for the first time in the history of the country
7. Thousands of terrorists are no longer a threat to liberty in the world
8. The world now knows the United States does not back down to percieved threat (whether that be domestic or to the peace of other peoples)
9. The oil wells (the entire economy of the country relies on the security of this resource) has been saved from destruction by terrorists

Bad things that have happened:

1. 10,000 civilians have been accidentally wonded/killed in the crossfire. (Keep in mind 6400 people die every hour in the world)

Go USA
Go Freedom

[Dante]

ok first off....We went to Iraq for no just reason...Bush is like WMD, and they didnt have....Saddam wasnt hiding WMD because he didnt have any, cuz if he did we would hgavce foubd it by Now....We talk about Saddam killing so many of his people, but where were youy guys when bush was wrongfully killing people under the death penalty in Texas.....You talk about the things that arisen in Iraq, but lets talk about the US economy and how the US dollar sank for a 5th yr in a row.

Our economy stinks, and no one seems to see that...all people do is to try a justify a war, that were not supposed to be in......Bush just pointed to a Middle East country and chose freakin iraq......he wants to promote peace....Why not look at Fidel castro, oh thats right, Fidel is so close to the united States, bush wouldnt dare bother him...bush knew that once he had Iraq, they wouldnt be touching American soil, so he chose them.....Im sorry, but what gives the US the right to go into someones country to unseat them.....the reason he told us why we went to iraq was to get rid of saddams WMD......Do you know there was 19 other countries above Iraq to have weapons of mass destruction..umm like N. Korea.....Bush would never go N. Korea, why? because he knows there emperor would have no problem bombing our asses....that is why Countries hate the United States...We try to police the world when it isnt our place......
We talk bout rebuilding Iraq, we shouldnt even be there......You drop bombs on these peoples homes, and u wonder why they hate us......Come the hell on.....

yes. the uS might donate alot, but once u look at all these other things, it means nothing...

Compare into your home life, you might do something good, but the minute u do something bad, your parents get on u for that and never acknowledge on what u did......


hell look at the canadians, they have freedom, they have their rights, there not in a war and guess what there people are happy, they have jobs

unlike us here where were losing jobs like its nothing.....

We might be the most powerful country, but honestly do you think that will last long?

september 11th happened to wake the US up....to show us, that we might be the most powerful, but that doesnt mean we're invincible.....

Imagine that you are a parent and people come into ur homes...and take ur moms and dads...and try to telll you what to do...Most people wouldnt like it....

do you know out of the whole coalition the US has the most fatalities......Other countries are pulling out of Iraq because there people are suffering from it one way or another, but we cant seem to get thatt, and then we have the nerve to get on France and Germany because they dont support the war, grow the hell up........
Oh lets call French Fries, freedom fries, thats gonna make it better, yea right...It shows how ignorant and close minded we are.

We have to start looking at this situation realistically.

[maximan]

I hate how half the whole world thinks all americans are flag waving patriotic douche bags. And don't even give me "well he was threatening democracy" bull shit. Cuba's worse than Iraq, but why is Iraq the sudden threat? And afghanastan? And probably Iran next?

Meanwhile in Africa, numerous deadly civil wars are going on that have been going on for years. We need to send troops there to keep the peace, not to Iraq to let everyone know we kick ass.

And I think a lot of people contribute to the image that american's are flag waving douches. Toby Keith is perhaps the worst thing to happen to music in over 50 years. He has the stupidest fucking songs ever, and every one is about how america could kick your country's ass.

[Anonymous]

ok, guys look at america, look at what our main economical source is becoming, OIL! bush only acreabout oil, we are securing all the opil we can, instea dof making the change to hydogen, america will collapse when the oil starts running low, which will be soon, there iwll be absolutely no oil left in about 540 years if we keep using it at this rate, and guess what, it wont be quite that long till we have a crisis, gas prices will be way too high long b4 we run out.

[nwshc]

OIL OIL OIL!!! Wow popo, it want oil and never was oil. No one else here seems to be arguing oil but you.

Do you know why we didn't go after Cuba??? Because, right at this moment, he is not a threat. We went after Iraq and Saddam because we knew he was a reckless man, and would probably use them sometime in the near future. Cuba is Cuba. We knew that Fidel will not do anything. He knows what will happen if he does mess with us. BOOM, hes out of there if he even so much as sends a m8 fire cracker over here. Fidel is not stupid.

And Frankly, if N. Korea becomes even more of a threat, i believe Bush will go after him. And if Iran becomes a threat, he will go after him too. Those will both be backed heavily by the UN. Them making nukes just doesn't jeapordize us, it jeopardizes the world. Who knows, N Korea could go after China or S. Korea.

So you really think Bush has a globe and points his finger and said "o lets boom them because I'm the leader of the most powerful country in the world"? No, and to say that is idiotic. Do you know what he does in the oval office?? Do you know what he is doing when he is meeting with his staff? No, you do not.

How can you say the economy sucks? Every country has its ups and downs. It just happens. And since we are in a low right now, you should blame Bush?? No. Unemployment is 5.2%. .2% over what we would like it to be. Big fucking whoop. Some countries have a 50% unemployment, and you say we are losing jobs like nothing? Hardly.

Yes, Canadians do have their jobs, freedom, etc. But they are not the most powerful country in the World. People hate us because other countries are JELOUS!! Would anyone be jealous of canada's power? No. That's the only reason we have this problem. they want what we have, and they need to bring us down to make themselves feel good.

[Dante]

i am so tired of hearing people say that the reason other countries hate us is because they are jealous of us.......Wake up....We are dicks to the entire world. thats why they hate us.....

LOcation Location location......The US would not go to Cuba, Cuba is waay to close to the United States, You think because we're the strongest that we wont be attacked....Cuba could easily attack us..

Dont even get me started on N. Korea.....Bush is so afraid of them, all he is telling him is to stop ur Nuclear testing....Bush knows that if he messes with N. korea Kin Jong il...will bomb us w/out hesitation....and he can......

Boasting about Freedom over and over and over, is getting really old because we are not the only country with freedom.

People hate us and it isnt because they are jealous of us....they hate us because of our violent temperment.....i mean look at what we do to our own people every single day.....you never see things like that in other countries that have "freedom"

and as maximan said theres is so much 3rd world countries on Africa and people dying of hunger and Civil war.....and instead of going there to break it up and show peace, we got to Iraq which by the way had nothing to do with 9/11.....Bush looked stupid....and it shot his credibility.

[nwshc]

LOcation Location location......The US would not go to Cuba, Cuba is waay to close to the United States, You think because we're the strongest that we wont be attacked....Cuba could easily attack us..

Why the hell would we go to Cuba. Like i said earlier, they are not threatening our country in any way right now. Cuba COULD attack us, but Fidel wouldn't dare. He knows dam well what will happen to him if he does.

Its not just The US telling telling N. Korea to stop. Its the US, its England, Germany, France, and the UN. N. Korea has the capability of hitting anybody in the world. Of course Bush is afraid of him. Him and everyone else in the world. But if N. Korea bombs us, we will hit them so much harder. If N. Korea hits us, then all of America will be for going to war with them. If anything, THAT would be justifiable.

[maximan]

Give me one shred of evidence that suggests that Sadaam was the slightest threat to us.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

our intelligence agencies said so. what more evidence does a civilian need?

[nwshc]

Im trying to get evidence right now, but this god dam computer is so slow...

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

lol i would help but i just got home from school so im uber lazy :P

[nwshc]

dam, i just sent you a pm, but since you got home from school it can wait till later.

[maximan]

our intelligence agencies said so. what more evidence does a civilian need?

Our intelligence agencies suck so much balls. They admitted their mistake in believing that sadaam had WMDs.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

ya so it was a mistake, whats the big deal?

oh and heres a list of people that "lied" about WMDs. i love when people just point the finger at bush, even though he gets his information from these people:

http://img227.echo.cx/img227/5559/untitled0pj.jpg

this is a screenshot of the very last page of the 96 page document givin to the president that caused him to make his mind to go to war. this was the document that said iraq had WMDs, and he believed it. now ask yourself, if all of those people told you something, would you believe it too? please stop flaming bush for "lying". we can all see it was an intelligence mistake made by thousands of people and bush was just collectively agreeing with them, as anyone would.

oh and credits to nick for finding the pdf :) nick read your pm

[Dante]

since our intelligence made such a mistake...then doesnt it show how "unintelligent" we are...i mean come on....The CIA shouldnt make mistakes like these.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

intelligence is a game of guesses, and everyone makes mistakes. people blow their load at us because we accepted the facts we thought were true, and acted on them accordingly. its rediculous how stupid people are when they bitch about a war of "lies" when its really a successful war of chance

[DouggyO.o]

exacly

[Dante]

i see a war of success....hmmmmm so when we go to iraq under false pretenses, thats succesful? or when we drop bombs on people houses, thats successful? I didnt know that

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

yes, yes it is. the war is successful, havent you been paying attention to the news or do you live in a cave?. i suggest you refer to my list of effects that i wrote earlier

[maximan]

yes, yes it is. the war is successful, havent you been paying attention to the news or do you live in a cave?. i suggest you refer to my list of effects that i wrote earlier

Have you not realized that we've made no progress in the past year? There are just as many insurgent attacks today if not more than there were a year ago.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

and there are thousands of more terrorists dead, the government is taking over more and more control of domestic affairs, training more police... insurgent attacks arent even really directed at the us anymore its all against their own people

[Dante]

but almost 2000 of our troops alone are dead.....we shouldnt be in Iraq at all...they are dying for no reason....Bush talks about liberating the iraqi people, that is not our place...it was never our place.....

"oooh lets rebuild iraq, after we destroy it with bombs"

[Gothic_Knight]

Okay, to post my two cents...

Depends on what kind of terrorism you mean. International, no.

Domestic...we're #1. Our country has THE highest rate of domestic terrorism. I mean, look at us. The Bloods, Crips, radical groups, the KKK. We have it ALL, except for the IRA. Why? Because our gun laws are a little lax...the right to bear arms is loosely interpretated too much, and 14 year olds can own .44 magnum revolvers...maybe that's a reason why our country has been given our current status.

Also, as two men have quoted, we have commited what some may say be horrid axe in the past. Let's start with Mr. Elie Wiesel. As he stated, FDR turned down 5,000 Jews that were already in our country to go back and face Hitler. Why? Because we didn't want to help a clearly visible threat...some may say that was terroristic in one way.

And to quote Ronald Steel. "First, states that intervene for purely humanitarian reasons quickly lose interest and go home; those that stay almost always has dubious motives." If we're not in Iraq for oil, then please, explain why we have Haliburton contractors there.

Also, to leave you with another quote from Steel: "Sixth, be wary of 'democratic' solutions. Democracy is a plant that requires long nourishment and does not take root everywhere. What is important is not that a state be democratic (Athens wasn't) but that it provide justice, equality, and dignity for its citizens. Democracy, after all, is not a solution, only a method." Unlike people say, democracy isn't perfect. Look at ours, and tell me, it's not corrupt by raw non-political ambitions.

[Genghis Sean]

I agree with Gothic, but you're wrong in your evidence:
Domestic...we're #1. Our country has THE highest rate of domestic terrorism. I mean, look at us. The Bloods, Crips, radical groups, the KKK. We have it ALL, except for the IRA. Why? Because our gun laws are a little lax...the right to bear arms is loosely interpretated too much, and 14 year olds can own .44 magnum revolvers...maybe that's a reason why our country has been given our current status.

Clearly you havn't seen bowling for columbine, people in Canada have just as many guns, and 14 year olds can get them easier there then here. Also, Germany is the one who exterminated 6 million jews, yet only 300 people are killed with guns there.

Our domestic terrorist problem is caused by Bush and his "the iraqis are gonna attack us" bullshit, and his god damn color coded chart

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

oh boo hoo a color coded terror chart that only morons pay attention to. bowling for columbine was directed by michael moore, and because of that alone it looses all credability

[nwshc]

Mike Moore. Dont make me laugh.
Hahahahaha.
Mike Moore is nothing more than a fat blob that wastes our air. :)

[Gothic_Knight]

oh boo hoo a color coded terror chart that only morons pay attention to. bowling for columbine was directed by michael moore, and because of that alone it looses all credabilitySo he directed Fahrenheit...big deal.

The truth of that tragedy had to be exposed. Don't you think that the victim's parents wanted to know WHY their children were killed? Or do you think that everything should remain behind closed doors, like the fed. always want you to believe...

[Dante]

Michael more gained credibility from Fahrnehiet.....And I dont how u could support someone cosmos, while Bush is the same one that is sayng that gay people cant get married. I hope you get what i mean by that

[Genghis Sean]

Besides, how is any of mike's information incorrect?

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

Michael more gained credibility from Fahrnehiet.....And I dont how u could support someone cosmos, while Bush is the same one that is sayng that gay people cant get married. I hope you get what i mean by that

just because im republican doesnt mean i support everything he stands for. and the mothers whose childs die in the war know that they are dying because they are IN A WAR. they probably got shot in the head, exploaded, etc... a person can only die so many ways. i dont see the secrecy here