The United States as a Military Superpower

[Bimmerhead]

So recently a (non American) friend of mine took a shot at the United States and our military power. They said our military strength was in rapid decline and we were doomed to fail. Little harsh IMO but completely bull crap! America still has the largest and most advanced military 10 times over! Anyone care to disagree come on down!

[trooneh]

I'm not disagreeing, but instead, agreeing. Look at military expenditures alone. The United States spends $687 billion, above China's $114 billion and France's $61 billion (#s 2 and 3) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures). Also, in naval force, the United States Navy's battle tonnage is larger than the next thirteen navies combined. It's just that the army was trained for traditional combat, not to deal with guerrilla warfare and insurgencies. That is the weakness in the United States Armed Forces.

[scuba steve]

It's definitely not the largest, but their expenses far out do any other country in the world. China may have the largest, with Russia having the largest reserve, none compare to the expenditure of the United States, which is why it remains top.

[RoseyCadaver]

Our military isn't bad,it's a little advanced,but we could be a little better.I think we be better off protecting OURSELVES instead of being the imperialist we are and being over in the middle east(general term,I know).

Our military can be quite scary since you know we get all the other parts of the world to agree with us.We are imperialist, and as soon as we(civilians) take our head out of the sand and see that is when we can tell our dicato- I mean government to leave the other countries.

At least one third of our taxes are spent on military.We could cut that into just 1/10 by taking our troops home and protecting us.A lot of that money could be going towards something good like funding more schools,promoting farms,and taking care of our people,but sadly it's going to the unnecessary war on terror.

[Perseus]

Our military isn't bad,it's a little advanced,but we could be a little better.
Are you serious? Do you know how much money we spend? It's isn't a little advanced. It's extremely advanced.

[trooneh]

Are you serious? Do you know how much money we spend? It's isn't a little advanced. It's extremely advanced.


Agreed. There are programs that exist that we have no clue about, as well as weapons, I'm guessing.

[RoseyCadaver]

Are you serious? Do you know how much money we spend? It's isn't a little advanced. It's extremely advanced.

My bad,just I'm not too much into the military's power and control.


I think we as human beings could be finding better ways to help ourselves instead of making massive weapons or super computers that can control others devices.We have so much potential ,yet we don't use it.

[scuba steve]

My bad,just I'm not to into the military.


I think we as human beings could be finding better ways to help ourselves instead of making massive weapons or super computers that can control others devices.We have so much potential ,yet we don't use it.

Super computers eventually trickle down to consumer use.

[Azunite]

America has the world's most advanced army. An advanced army doesn't mean "most troops". That goes to China, but America's military technology is second to none, that's why it is the world's most advanced army. Because a force made of 50 people equipped with sticks can't defeat a force of 10 equipped with advanced weapons.

[Perseus]

My bad,just I'm not too much into the military's power and control.


I think we as human beings could be finding better ways to help ourselves instead of making massive weapons or super computers that can control others devices.We have so much potential ,yet we don't use it.

Like ScubaSteve said, military technology is usually made into civilian technology, i.e. jet engine.

[Bimmerhead]

America has the world's most advanced army. An advanced army doesn't mean "most troops". That goes to China, but America's military technology is second to none, that's why it is the world's most advanced army. Because a force made of 50 people equipped with sticks can't defeat a force of 10 equipped with advanced weapons.

Actually I was just pulling the numbers and the largest active military force (troop wise) is China as you said. BUT! Russia has the largest military in the world with over 2 mil in reserves. Followed by North Korea and South Korea surprisingly. Your last statement is very true. Iraq had the 4th largest military force in the world yet it only took us 48 hours to make them surrender unconditionally. Its all about technology not man power. We currently have 11 carrier battle groups! A battle group consists of 1 Aircraft Carrier, 2 Guided Missile Cruisers, 2 Anti Aircraft Warships, and 1-2 Anti Submarine Destroyers or Frigates. Not to mention we have over 600 ships in mothballs, 60 of which are older carriers. I was down in SD recently and saw 2 US carriers undergoing maintenance and it always pumps me up knowing we have such an impressive fleet! I love my country I just wish we weren't so "imperialist" as salt would put it I guess... lol

Check out the US Navy's new toy.
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l187/tommyb2b/uss-freedom.jpg
If I was a Somali Pirate I would shit my pants if I saw this thing barreling down on my ship! lol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Freedom_(LCS-1)

[scuba steve]

BUT! Russia has the largest military in the world with over 2 mil in reserves.


20 Million.


Followed by North Korea and South Korea surprisingly.

You were shocked? Those two country's could very easily go to war tomorrow, all it takes is one feather, not even a spanner in the works.

[Magus]

Are you serious? Do you know how much money we spend? It's isn't a little advanced. It's extremely advanced.
No fuck. It's super, ultimate, extreme, area 51, cutting edge, super-stealth, next generation, biomechanical, multi, omega, mega Advanced.

Our technology is outdated where to Iron Age, playah. We fight using dull blades, you guys use extreme satellite laser precision guided AI and manned 2 tonn ballistic missiles projected from a High-technology stealth-coated battleships and submarines.

It's, admittedly, a Super-power, but it's not the only one, and most importantly, not the strongest.

[slappy]

I wish we where still like this

(granted, that was not just the Americans)

[Bimmerhead]

20 Million.

Typo my bad 20 million.

You were shocked? Those two country's could very easily go to war tomorrow, all it takes is one feather, not even a spanner in the works.
I suppose im not too shocked at the Koreans having such a huge active military force.



It's, admittedly, a Super-power, but it's not the only one, and most importantly, not the strongest.

Not the strongest! Your comment is ridiculous to say the least. Name ONE other super power with a military half as well trained and advanced as the US. If the United States went to war with every single country in the world right now we would win! (provided it doesn't end in a probable nuclear Holocaust in that case everyone loses)

[scuba steve]

It's, admittedly, a Super-power, but it's not the only one, and most importantly, not the strongest.


I wouldn't like to be the one to face them... How long into the fight until the senate decides to push the little red button and unleash their nuclear arsenal... Yes, it's frowned upon, yes the country itself has said they don't want to use them.... But let's face it If the USA's loosing the fight, do you think they're going to give a fuck if they bare down on Beijing for example?

I wish we where still like this

(granted, that was not just the Americans)

Pffft, primitive weaponry. The battleship was put out of action when air craft carriers were commissioned


Your comment is ridiculous to say the least. Name ONE other super power with a military half as well trained and advanced as the US.

As well trained there are many military's, it could even be said that the British army is better trained in certain circumstances.

[Bimmerhead]

I wouldn't like to be the one to face them... How long into the fight until the senate decides to push the little red button and unleash their nuclear arsenal... Yes, it's frowned upon, yes the country itself has said they don't want to use them.... But let's face it If the USA's loosing the fight, do you think they're going to give a fuck if they bare down on Beijing for example?
Thats the problem with warfare these days. The US, China, and Russia all have enough nukes to destroy the entire surface of the planet 400 times over. If an all out war in sues we are all screwed


Pffft, primitive weaponry. The battleship was put out of action when air craft carriers were commissioned
We currently have no active battle ships in any of our fleets. But in less then 6 months we could have 15 retrofitted with state of the art systems. Not like we would ever need to.

[scuba steve]

We currently have no active battle ships in any of our fleets. But in less then 6 months we could have 15 retrofitted with state of the art systems. Not like we would ever need to.

That's what I said. Battleships were rendered obsolete and decommissioned when air carriers were put into service.

[Magus]

Not the strongest! Your comment is ridiculous to say the least. Name ONE other super power with a military half as well trained and advanced as the US. If the United States went to war with every single country in the world right now we would win! (provided it doesn't end in a probable nuclear Holocaust in that case everyone loses)You claim that's it's the "strongest" ONLY "super-power" that can beat anything. I want you to provide valid evidences, and numbers to prove logical points.

Who you were against, again? Some backwater country's extremist military whose technology passed it's 40th birthday. That's who you were against.

[slappy]

I wouldn't like to be the one to face them... How long into the fight until the senate decides to push the little red button and unleash their nuclear arsenal... Yes, it's frowned upon, yes the country itself has said they don't want to use them.... But let's face it If the USA's loosing the fight, do you think they're going to give a fuck if they bare down on Beijing for example?



Pffft, primitive weaponry. The battleship was put out of action when air craft carriers were commissioned


Your comment is ridiculous to say the least. Name ONE other super power with a military half as well trained and advanced as the US.

As well trained there are many military's, it could even be said that the British army is better trained in certain circumstances.

Yep, they don't make em like they used to
Lol

[Bimmerhead]

You claim that's it's the "strongest" ONLY "super-power" that can beat anything. I want you to provide valid evidences, and numbers to prove logical points.

Who you were against, again? Some backwater country's extremist military whose technology passed it's 40th birthday. That's who you were against.

Here are some numbers for you!
US Navy
333,642 active duty personnel[2]
286 ships[2]
3,700+ aircraft
11 Aircraft carriers
9 Amphibious assault ships
9 Amphibious transport docks
12 Dock landing ships
22 Cruisers
59 Destroyers
30 Frigates
75 Submarines
Here are the numbers of the second largest navy in the world the Royal Navy (mind you their technology is inferior in every way to ours)
Available manpower;
38,190 Regulars[1]
3,600 Navy Volunteers
Reserve manpower;
19,560 Regular Reserve[2]
99 ships including RFA
240 aircraft of the Fleet Air Arm[3]
1 Aircraft Carrier (2 in construction)
1 Amphibious assault carrier
6 Destroyers (3 in construction)
13 Frigates
11 Submarines (5 in construction)
15 Minesweepers

The royal Navy's one aircraft carrier
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l187/tommyb2b/800px-HMS_Invincible_R05_Norfolk.jpg
How cute it has smoke stacks! Here are the tech specs on this bad boy from the late 70s
Length: 689 ft (210 m)
Beam: 118.1 ft (36.0 m)
Draught: 28.9 ft (8.8 m)
Propulsion: 4 × Rolls-Royce Olympus TM3B gas turbines providing 97,000 hp (75 MW)
8 Paxman Valenta diesel generators.
Speed: 28 knots (52 km/h), 18 knots (33 km/h) cruising
Range: 7,000 nautical miles at 18 knots (13,000 km at 33 km/h)
Complement: 1,051 (total);
726 Ship's company
384 Air Group personnel
Armament: 3 × Goalkeeper CIWS
2 × GAM-B01 20 mm close-range guns
Aircraft carried:
22 aircraft;
Multi Mission - Strike, ASuW and ASW
12 x Harrier GR.7/9
10 x Sea King ASaC, and Merlin HM Mk.1 helicopters
Multi Mission - Strike and ASuW
18 x Harrier GR.7/9
4 x Sea King ASaC, and Merlin HM Mk.1 helicopters[3

A US Nimitz class super carrier (1 of 10)
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l187/tommyb2b/nimitz3.jpg
Here are the tech specs from that.
Type: Aircraft carrier
Displacement: 100,000 to 104,600 long tons (100,000–106,300 t)[1]
Length: Overall: 1,092 feet (332.8 m)
Waterline: 1,040 feet (317.0 m)
Beam: Overall: 252 ft (76.8 m)
Waterline: 134 ft (40.8 m)
Draft: Maximum navigational: 37 ft (11.3 m)
Limit: 41 ft (12.5 m)
Propulsion: 2 × Westinghouse A4W nuclear reactors
4 × steam turbines
4 × shafts
260,000 shp (194 MW)
Speed: 30+ knots (56+ km/h; 35+ mph)
Range: Unlimited distance; 20 years
Complement: Ship's company: 3,200
Air wing: 2,480
Sensors and
processing systems: AN/SPS-48E 3-D air search radar
AN/SPS-49(V)5 2-D air search radar
AN/SPQ-9B target acquisition radar
AN/SPN-46 air traffic control radars
AN/SPN-43C air traffic control radar
AN/SPN-41 landing aid radars
4 × Mk 91 NSSM guidance systems
4 × Mk 95 radars
Electronic warfare
and decoys: SLQ-32A(V)4 Countermeasures suite
SLQ-25A Nixie torpedo countermeasures
Armament:
16–24 × Sea Sparrow or NATO Sea Sparrow missiles
3 or 4 × Phalanx CIWSs or RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missiles
Armor: 2.5 in (64 mm) Kevlar over vital spaces[2]
Aircraft carried: 85–90 fixed wing and helicopters

Please note the amount of aircraft carried, the size, propulsion systems (did I mention ours is nuclear?) and the type of aircraft's.

Now please tell me we arent militarily vastly more powerful then any other country in the world with more active duty carriers then the rest of the world combined!

[scuba steve]

The British Royal Navy? For the time being All our Air carriers are out of commission and are being replaced next year with, from what i've heard 5 top of the line air craft carriers.

We're currently aligned with France for support. I personally felt it was a risky move for the likes of the Falklands.

[slappy]

Who would win?

[embers]

And yet you complain about the US spending too much elsewhere. Well fucking look here - they spend far, far too much on their military when the money could go to much more important things.

[Bimmerhead]

The British Royal Navy? For the time being All our Air carriers are out of commission and are being replaced next year with, from what i've heard 5 top of the line air craft carriers.


We're currently aligned with France for support. I personally felt it was a risky move for the likes of the Falklands.

Good point. Let me pull up the specs of your new more advanced carriers being built.
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l187/tommyb2b/Comparison_with_other_Carriers.jpg
Class and type: Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carrier
Displacement: 65,600 metric tons (72,300 short tons) (full load)[3]
Length: 284 metres (932 ft)[3]
Beam: 39 metres (waterline)
73 metres overall[3]
Draught: 11 metres[4]
Decks: 16,000 square metres[3]
Speed: 25+ knots
Range: 10,000 nautical miles (18,520 km)
Capacity: 1,450
Complement: 600
Armament: provisional space for CIWS[5]
Aircraft carried: 40 aircraft, including up to 36 F-35 Lightning II

Im not saying it isnt impressive but it pales in comparison to our new Gerald R. Ford class aircraft carrier that will be completed 5 years before the Royal Navy's new toy.
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l187/tommyb2b/gerald-r-ford-class-aircraft-carrier-20070824021850173-000.jpg
Type: aircraft carrier
Displacement: Approx;
100,000 long tons
101,600 tonnes
112,000 short tons[2]
Length: 1,092 ft (333 m)
Beam: Flight deck: 252 ft (77 m) Waterline: 134 ft (41 m)
Propulsion: 2 A1B nuclear reactors
Speed: In excess of 30 kn (56 km/h; 35 mph)
Complement: 4,660
Armament: Surface-to-air missiles
Close-in weapon systems
Aircraft carried: 75+
Aviation facilities: 1,092 × 256 foot (333 × 78 m) flight deck
They haven't released all of the tech specs on it yet but this is what I have so far. They are going to build 4 a year until all of the Nimitz carriers are in moth balls.

Im not disputing the fact that we may spend a to much on our military. I am however disputing the fact that Electric Nomad said we aren't the most powerful military superpower. Thats just nonsense.

And yet you complain about the US spending too much elsewhere. Well fucking look here - they spend far, far too much on their military when the money could go to much more important things.

Yes currently right now there isnt a huge need for such a huge armada especially when we are in third world countries like Pakistan, Iraq, and Afghanistan. But if North Korea decides to make an attempt to cross the DMZ and invade South Korea we have a problem. That drags both us and China into the war.

P.S Sorry all for the double post lol. Is there a way to delete posts?

[Sogeking]

You were shocked? Those two country's could very easily go to war tomorrow, all it takes is one feather, not even a spanner in the works.

Actually those two are still technically at war since no official peace treaty has been signed. Just a ceasefire.

[Magus]

Now please tell me we arent militarily vastly more powerful then any other country in the world with more active duty carriers then the rest of the world combined!Copy-Pasta is not appreciated. And no, there are numerous countries Military that are on a par with yours. I am not satisfied. Plus, I asked number that supports logic, where is the logic in posting just numbers?

It's nonsense when you say you are the most powerful military, and all other military are shit compared to yours. Anyone with a bright mind knows that's the not exactly the case.

I need a valid academic resource, please.

[Bimmerhead]

Copy-Pasta is not appreciated. And no, there are numerous countries Military that are on a par with yours. I am not satisfied. Plus, I asked number that supports logic, where is the logic in posting just numbers?
Please show evidence that proves your bold statement. If you read the numbers I have posted it makes complete sense. Well for those of us who know what we are looking at.

It's nonsense when you say you are the most powerful military, and all other military are shit compared to yours. Anyone with a bright mind knows that's the not exactly the case.

I need a valid academic resource, please.

It isn't nonsense its 100% fact and you know it. Thats why you haven't brought any evidence to the table that disproves mine. There isn't a single country in the world, not Russia, not China and certainly not the UK that rivals the United States as a military superpower. If your going to present evidence to the contrary please do so. Otherwise don't dispute a known fact.

http://www.globalfirepower.com/
http://www.traveltowork.net/2010/04/top-10-super-power-countries-of-the-world/

Thats that :) Hmmm wheres Pakistan? Ahh there it is towards the bottom.

[RoseyCadaver]

Here are some numbers for you!
US Navy
333,642 active duty personnel[2]
286 ships[2]
3,700+ aircraft
11 Aircraft carriers
9 Amphibious assault ships
9 Amphibious transport docks
12 Dock landing ships
22 Cruisers
59 Destroyers
30 Frigates
75 Submarines
Here are the numbers of the second largest navy in the world the Royal Navy (mind you their technology is inferior in every way to ours)
Available manpower;
38,190 Regulars[1]
3,600 Navy Volunteers
Reserve manpower;
19,560 Regular Reserve[2]
99 ships including RFA
240 aircraft of the Fleet Air Arm[3]
1 Aircraft Carrier (2 in construction)
1 Amphibious assault carrier
6 Destroyers (3 in construction)
13 Frigates
11 Submarines (5 in construction)
15 Minesweepers

The royal Navy's one aircraft carrier
image (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l187/tommyb2b/800px-HMS_Invincible_R05_Norfolk.jpg)
How cute it has smoke stacks! Here are the tech specs on this bad boy from the late 70s
Length: 689 ft (210 m)
Beam: 118.1 ft (36.0 m)
Draught: 28.9 ft (8.8 m)
Propulsion: 4 × Rolls-Royce Olympus TM3B gas turbines providing 97,000 hp (75 MW)
8 Paxman Valenta diesel generators.
Speed: 28 knots (52 km/h), 18 knots (33 km/h) cruising
Range: 7,000 nautical miles at 18 knots (13,000 km at 33 km/h)
Complement: 1,051 (total);
726 Ship's company
384 Air Group personnel
Armament: 3 × Goalkeeper CIWS
2 × GAM-B01 20 mm close-range guns
Aircraft carried:
22 aircraft;
Multi Mission - Strike, ASuW and ASW
12 x Harrier GR.7/9
10 x Sea King ASaC, and Merlin HM Mk.1 helicopters
Multi Mission - Strike and ASuW
18 x Harrier GR.7/9
4 x Sea King ASaC, and Merlin HM Mk.1 helicopters[3

A US Nimitz class super carrier (1 of 10)
image (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l187/tommyb2b/nimitz3.jpg)
Here are the tech specs from that.
Type: Aircraft carrier
Displacement: 100,000 to 104,600 long tons (100,000–106,300 t)[1]
Length: Overall: 1,092 feet (332.8 m)
Waterline: 1,040 feet (317.0 m)
Beam: Overall: 252 ft (76.8 m)
Waterline: 134 ft (40.8 m)
Draft: Maximum navigational: 37 ft (11.3 m)
Limit: 41 ft (12.5 m)
Propulsion: 2 × Westinghouse A4W nuclear reactors
4 × steam turbines
4 × shafts
260,000 shp (194 MW)
Speed: 30+ knots (56+ km/h; 35+ mph)
Range: Unlimited distance; 20 years
Complement: Ship's company: 3,200
Air wing: 2,480
Sensors and
processing systems: AN/SPS-48E 3-D air search radar
AN/SPS-49(V)5 2-D air search radar
AN/SPQ-9B target acquisition radar
AN/SPN-46 air traffic control radars
AN/SPN-43C air traffic control radar
AN/SPN-41 landing aid radars
4 × Mk 91 NSSM guidance systems
4 × Mk 95 radars
Electronic warfare
and decoys: SLQ-32A(V)4 Countermeasures suite
SLQ-25A Nixie torpedo countermeasures
Armament:
16–24 × Sea Sparrow or NATO Sea Sparrow missiles
3 or 4 × Phalanx CIWSs or RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missiles
Armor: 2.5 in (64 mm) Kevlar over vital spaces[2]
Aircraft carried: 85–90 fixed wing and helicopters

Please note the amount of aircraft carried, the size, propulsion systems (did I mention ours is nuclear?) and the type of aircraft's.

Now please tell me we arent militarily vastly more powerful then any other country in the world with more active duty carriers then the rest of the world combined!

Weze the baddest and biggezz mofo.

This is just a sad example of how much we spend so much money on our military then any other single important thing .

Who would win?
I believe the better question is,does it matter :yawn:?
And yet you complain about the US spending too much elsewhere. Well fucking look here - they spend far, far too much on their military when the money could go to much more important things.

Agreed,what I was saying.I feel like we keep becoming more and more and more like a fascist nation :/ .We reley too much on what the main stream media tells us.

[Perseus]

Agreed,what I was saying.I feel like we keep becoming more and more and more like a fascist nation :/ .We reley too much on what the main stream media tells us.
You obviously don't know what a fascist nation is like.

[pageplant77]

Have to say I agree! :D

GO USA!!

[RoseyCadaver]

You obviously don't know what a fascist nation is like.

Didn't say we were fascist,just saying we are slowly getting there,well that is how I feel.With the more "protection"we need from the "terrorist" I'd say we're slowly getting there,yes.

[Perseus]

Didn't say we were fascist,just saying we are slowly getting there,well that is how I feel.With the more "protection"we need from the "terrorist" I'd say we're slowly getting there,yes.

No, we're not. Go learn what fascism is and how fascist countries are.

[scuba steve]

Actually those two are still technically at war since no official peace treaty has been signed. Just a ceasefire.

Yes, I'm aware of that, put it down to poor wording I guess. But they are technically at a ceasefire, which could very easily be restarted.

[embers]

Hmmm wheres Pakistan? Ahh there it is towards the bottom.

Why do I get the impression that you love taking a stab at my country (and other people's)? Seeing as of course, there's this comment and the fact that this entire thread is an excuse to brag about an accomplishment that isn't actually as great a thing as you make it out to be, not to mention your continuous reminders of what shitholes other countries are and how America is so great. Please, do grow up.

[Azunite]

Name ONE other super power with a military half as well trained and advanced as the US.


The Republic of Turkey :thumbsup:

And secretsalt, if you are referring to increased patriotism and overlooking other nations by "fascism", well let me tell you this. Thinking that your race is superior than others is only like 1/10 of fascism. America is nothing there.

[RoseyCadaver]

And secretsalt, if you are referring to increased patriotism and overlooking other nations by "fascism", well let me tell you this. Thinking that your race is superior than others is only like 1/10 of fascism. America is nothing there.

That is not what I was refering to.I just find it mind blowing how 1/3 of our money is spent on the military.I think we're getting there,but is just my opinion.

[Azunite]

America is a " What Happens There Matters Over Here So We Go There and Kick Some Mustapha Ass In a Mountain " country and therefore they have to spend a lot of money to it's military, especially its navy since it is an island country. But yeah maybe 1/3 is too much, but that does not make the US of A fascist.

[Perseus]

That is not what I was refering to.I just find it mind blowing how 1/3 of our money is spent on the military.I think we're getting there,but is just my opinion.

Until the president gets his own personal army and secret police, we have people being arrested for their race, protests are squashed, and non party members are killed or what have you, we are nowhere near fascist.

[Magus]

Please show evidence that proves your bold statement. If you read the numbers I have posted it makes complete sense. Well for those of us who know what we are looking at.I didn't make any statement. You are the one who is making statement from the start of the discussion -- fuck, the purpose of this whole thread, niggah.
It isn't nonsense its 100% fact and you know it.This shows how smart you are.

Thats why you haven't brought any evidence to the table that disproves mine.To disprove what? You didn't propose anything. Just making a cyclic statements after statements of how America can beat Poo[-]r[/-]kistan.

There isn't a single country in the world, not Russia, not China and certainly not the UK that rivals the United States as a military superpower. If your going to present evidence to the contrary please do so. Otherwise don't dispute a known fact. Ow fawk. America can destroy russia and china, and that's an indisputable fact. Shit.

http://www.globalfirepower.com/
http://www.traveltowork.net/2010/04/top-10-super-power-countries-of-the-world/

Thats that :) Hmmm wheres Pakistan? Ahh there it is towards the bottom.Among the top ten or fifteen, then that's not bad. There are around 200 countries out there. It only take two of the top ten, to topple down America's military.

American soldier are not invincible super-soldier machines; but it seems you have a difficulty to grasp that fact.

How many times do you want to me to say "I admit"? I told you already. America is a sure superpower - just not the only one and of course not the No.1.

America comes first because of the sheer number of machineries, is all.

I think you can read the reason as to why it's the first from the link you gave me:
The United States (GFP formula value of 0.184) remains the undisputed leader of our list thanks to their staying "active" in global hotspots, showcasing the world's largest navy and continuing to poor in gobs of money into defense.

[IAMWILL]

The only country that can partially claim (and I mean like .01%) more advanced weaponry than the US of A is Israel. Israel is very militaristic and have some pretty incredible technologies. Then again, we very much support them, so no worries about fighting them.

[Magus]

The only country that can partially claim (and I mean like .01%) more advanced weaponry than the US of A is Israel. Israel is very militaristic and have some pretty incredible technologies. Then again, we very much support them, so no worries about fighting them.Most of high technology military machineries are sold to them.

If not F-22, they are going to buy F-35(20 already have been bought, only needs to be delivered) from the company that makes them directly.

I actually, really do, admire the IAF. My friend is a Semite, but Palestinian. So, he keeps boasting about how IAF is strong and stuff, and got me into all that Air Force thing.

Israeli, as history have shown, has the best air superiority in Middle-East.

America is probably first, second by Russia, no doubt.

If America goes head on with Russia, the result will not only be awesome but devastating.

[Lethe]

I haven't been able to read all of the responses here, but does anyone know if North Korea spends more money on their military than the United States does? I believe North Korea spends most of their money on their military. In comparison to how much the US spends in regards to spending on other aspects, I mean. The United States spends the most in terms of how much money, but in comparison to how much money they spend on the military in comparison to what they spend on other things, isn't North Korea the highest?

[scuba steve]

I haven't been able to read all of the responses here, but does anyone know if North Korea spends more money on their military than the United States does? I believe North Korea spends most of their money on their military. In comparison to how much the US spends in regards to spending on other aspects, I mean. The United States spends the most in terms of how much money, but in comparison to how much money they spend on the military in comparison to what they spend on other things, isn't North Korea the highest?

Just because North Korea spends most of it's money on the military doesn't necessarily mean that that's an awful lot in comparison to large country's such as the USA. North Korea probably isn't much larger than England and can not compete in financial terms. They do let their people starve through famines whilst they support their military but what money they spend isn't that much, the vast majority of all their equipment is from the Cold War. The USA spends upwards of $700,000,000,000 on their military, North Korea can't even dream of that much money.

They do however have the largest number of reserve forces, as the entire nation is expected to fight if need be.

[Azunite]

The only country that can partially claim (and I mean like .01%) more advanced weaponry than the US of A is Israel. Israel is very militaristic and have some pretty incredible technologies. Then again, we very much support them, so no worries about fighting them.

If I were also a lapdog of US I'd also have advanced tech.

[PoseidonX43]

just a little info for ya'll no one will ever know how powerfull are military is, but if the government ever released the "Black Budget" witch they have explains how much are government spends on research, you never know what wepons that are secret.

[HaydenM]

Bimmerhead,

The fact you have posted this after you have made your decision and opinion so strong really means all you want is a fight. America IS the most advanced military in the world. But throughout history the most advanced systems have not always won. I will cite the death of captain cook (the man who founded australia). His team were equip with the most advanced weapons on the time. But they were outnumbered by savages equip with only sticks and stones. The savages won based on numbers along. Many countries have the numbers over america and although the war would be bloody it could result in the demise of america as it is today. As for the nukes, the second america launches one every one of it's allies will turn their guns on america no matter where it is aimed.

[scuba steve]

Bimmerhead,
As for the nukes, the second america launches one every one of it's allies will turn their guns on america no matter where it is aimed.

That would be completely dependent on the circumstances, there would definitely be an inquiry, but they wouldn't turn hostile, unless it was an unprovoked attack against another allied nation.

[Cloud]

Not the strongest! Your comment is ridiculous to say the least. Name ONE other super power with a military half as well trained and advanced as the US.
Erm, you are aware that a fair few of your forces are trained by british service personnel. I also hope you are aware that we did a test in which your marines failed our marine selection, and british marines set new records on yours.

If the United States went to war with every single country in the world right now we would win! (provided it doesn't end in a probable nuclear Holocaust in that case everyone loses)
Numbers arent everything, strategically your being dicked royally by a gang of rebels with 7.62 rifles and outdated RPG's. and hey with all that training it only took you what? 10 years to find the guy you were looking for. How amazing the money and supposed training only took 10 years to find one bloke.

As well trained there are many military's, it could even be said that the British army is better trained in certain circumstances.
We are, Britain is trained more efficiently, we are the most well trained and prepared force for the amount of money we put into the armed forces. and thats with a fraction of americas funding, imagine if we had even more money going into it.

You claim that's it's the "strongest" ONLY "super-power" that can beat anything. I want you to provide valid evidences, and numbers to prove logical points.

Who you were against, again? Some backwater country's extremist military whose technology passed it's 40th birthday. That's who you were against.
My point exactly

Here are some numbers for you!
US Navy
333,642 active duty personnel[2]
286 ships[2]
3,700+ aircraft
11 Aircraft carriers
9 Amphibious assault ships
9 Amphibious transport docks
12 Dock landing ships
22 Cruisers
59 Destroyers
30 Frigates
75 Submarines
Here are the numbers of the second largest navy in the world the Royal Navy (mind you their technology is inferior in every way to ours)
Available manpower;
38,190 Regulars[1]
3,600 Navy Volunteers
Reserve manpower;
19,560 Regular Reserve[2]
99 ships including RFA
240 aircraft of the Fleet Air Arm[3]
1 Aircraft Carrier (2 in construction)
1 Amphibious assault carrier
6 Destroyers (3 in construction)
13 Frigates
11 Submarines (5 in construction)
15 Minesweepers

Now please tell me we arent militarily vastly more powerful then any other country in the world with more active duty carriers then the rest of the world combined!
Who gives a flying fuck about numbers, Britain is a fraction of the size of America, we dont need to have as many forces to defend ourselves.




As my final point i leave you with one final force, as the final plume in the british forces military strength.
The Royal Gurkha Rifles (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10782099)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12854492
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/mar/25/gurkha-honoured-taliban-insurgents
http://www.army.mod.uk/gurkhas/7544.aspx
and what flashy technology does he have?
a kukri? how high tech.


now wiill you stop your ranting and raving that America is the greatest? I would love the day where America can train a man to fight better than an entire squad of men

[Bimmerhead]

I didn't make any statement. You are the one who is making statement from the start of the discussion -- fuck, the purpose of this whole thread, niggah.


It's, admittedly, a Super-power, but it's not the only one, and most importantly, not the strongest.
"Most Importantly not the strongest. Sir that is a statement. When making such a statement it would be good to list the superpower that is No.1 other then us. Ahh yes there is none.


To disprove what? You didn't propose anything. Just making a cyclic statements after statements of how America can beat Poo[-]r[/-]kistan.
Ow fawk. America can destroy russia and china, and that's an indisputable fact. Shit.
Of course it is! That is the purpose of this thread. Neither of them have a decent Navy to speak of! Thats the only way any country could ever come close to invading us!


Among the top ten or fifteen, then that's not bad. There are around 200 countries out there. It only take two of the top ten, to topple down America's military.
Once again your making this statement with no logic to back that up? Sweet! China has a lot more people then we do! Lets see them all float here on foam noodles so they can invade us lol.

American soldier are not invincible super-soldier machines; but it seems you have a difficulty to grasp that fact.
We dont need to b e super. We just need B52s loaded with bombs. Oh wait!! We have a shitload of those lets see if you dont change your tone when you see thousands of bombs dropping 24/7 from our bombers!

How many times do you want to me to say "I admit"? I told you already. America is a sure superpower - just not the only one and of course not the No.1.
You still haven't explained to me WHO IS No.1?? To the rest of the world we are. So I guess that's just your personal opinion we aren't No.1?

America comes first because of the sheer number of machineries, is all.
Ok ok so now you are saying we are number one? Your contradicting yourself and in the same post too!





Erm, you are aware that a fair few of your forces are trained by british service personnel. I also hope you are aware that we did a test in which your marines failed our marine selection, and british marines set new records on yours.

How many British Navy Seals do you see? lol My dad was a Seal for a decade YA DON'T SEE MANY DUDE. Not like it matters because honestly England is Americas bitch. Ooops did I say that?


Numbers arent everything, strategically your being dicked royally by a gang of rebels with 7.62 rifles and outdated RPG's. and hey with all that training it only took you what? 10 years to find the guy you were looking for. How amazing the money and supposed training only took 10 years to find one bloke.

I would like to see England do better. Last time I checked you guys were taking losses there too. You guys follow America wherever we go. What we do you do. Well you guys went out on your own for awhile when you were almost invaded by Germany! But its all ok the US was there to save you!


We are, Britain is trained more efficiently, we are the most well trained and prepared force for the amount of money we put into the armed forces. and thats with a fraction of americas funding, imagine if we had even more money going into it.

Thats a bunch of bull. Your SAS is a force to be reckoned with yes. But so is our Navy Seals. They train together dude!



As my final point i leave you with one final force, as the final plume in the british forces military strength.
The Royal Gurkha Rifles (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10782099)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12854492
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/mar/25/gurkha-honoured-taliban-insurgents
http://www.army.mod.uk/gurkhas/7544.aspx
and what flashy technology does he have?
a kukri? how high tech.


now wiill you stop your ranting and raving that America is the greatest? I would love the day where America can train a man to fight better than an entire squad of men

We dont need to fight man to man! We have B52s! We could decimate the surface of your country without a single man touching down in your country.

God why do I bother! Im trying to convince foreigners who have been trained to hate a country they have never even been to! This takes to much time!

[embers]

Not like it matters because honestly England is Americas bitch. Ooops did I say that?

That doesn't matter - America's head is so far up its military ass that it doesn't even notice.

Seriously, if this thread is just here to brag about America and its military, which you clearly have some kind of fetish or obsession for, then grow the hell up.

[Magus]

"Most Importantly not the strongest. Sir that is a statement. When making such a statement it would be good to list the superpower that is No.1 other then us. Ahh yes there is none.
Do you even know what a Superpower is? I wonder what you think what "Superpower" means. No, they are not synonym to Military power.

Of course it is! That is the purpose of this thread. Neither of them have a decent Navy to speak of! Thats the only way any country could ever come close to invading us! They have a good enough navy. But yeah. American can defend itself.

Lol wut?

http://gc911truth.com/9-11-pic1.jpg

Once again your making this statement with no logic to back that up?You should ask yourself that question.
Sweet! China has a lot more people then we do! Lets see them all float here on foam noodles so they can invade us lol.Wow, that's funny. Not only you cannot defend your own claims, but you make awesome not-so-racist jokes.

We dont need to b e super. We just need B52s loaded with bombs. Oh wait!! We have a shitload of those lets see if you dont change your tone when you see thousands of bombs dropping 24/7 from our bombers!Proves that you don't know shit about bombers.

What happened to B1B Lancer? Disappeared? Fuck, you don't even know your own military.

You still haven't explained to me WHO IS No.1??http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=1487&pictureid=18393


Ok ok so now you are saying we are number one? Your contradicting yourself and in the same post too!No, Pakistan is number one.

[RoseyCadaver]

I wish we could stop arguing about who the fuck number one is.It's my personal opinion,all countries are good in their own way xD.

Still,to say AMERICA IS NUMEBR ONE IN EVERTING AND BETR THEN YOU OTHA COuNRTIES is rather irrational.

I'm not going to lie,I don't think we'll be "THE Number one super power" for very long.Do I have a problem with that ?Not one bit.You can't be number one forever.

[Azunite]

Bimmer, before I yell out "BIMMER YOU STUPID FUCKING PRICK" and humiliate myself and look like a child, I will say few stuff.

Bimmerhead: "We'll fuck the world!"

Bimmer's Arsenal: A navy, two B52s.

You have B52s so? You say you can bomb the whole world, you are talking as if you had a trillion B52s. Let's just say the combined forces of England, Germany and Turkey launches an assault on east coast, while Russia and China invades the west. SANDWICH! What are you planning to do? B52 the entire Atlantic and Pacific?

Let's just say America could decimate the first wave of attacks. Guess what? No Ammo! You are out of tomahawks, NATO rounds and grenades. You are out of oil, your Abrams tanks cannot go on!

USA is already fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, another front would hurt the American forces pretty bad, and you are expecting america to fight in every single corner of the world and win? Do you know any geographical stuff about the world? How big the world is?

[Magus]

Still,to say AMERICA IS NUMEBR ONE IN EVERTING AND BETR THEN YOU OTHA COuNRTIES is rather irrational.Yes, it's a syndrome called Bimmerhead Delusion. It's a terrible mental disorder.

You have B52s so? You say you can bomb the whole world, you are talking as if you had a trillion B52s. Let's just say the combined forces of England, Germany and Turkey launches an assault on east coast, while Russia and China invades the west. SANDWICH! What are you planning to do? B52 the entire Atlantic and Pacific?He forgot that China and Russia developed Interceptors. A fighter plane that is meant to destroy bombers and come back quickly.

[Bimmerhead]

Do you even know what a Superpower is? I wonder what you think what "Superpower" means. No, they are not synonym to Military power.
They have a good enough navy. But yeah. American can defend itself.

Most impressive military, largest economy in the world, highest standard of living in the world. Yeah we are number one sorry!

Lol wut?

image (http://gc911truth.com/9-11-pic1.jpg)
[QUOTE=Electric Nomad;1328930]
You should ask yourself that question.
Wow, that's funny. Not only you cannot defend your own claims, but you make awesome not-so-racist jokes.
I have been defending my own claims all day. Its you who are talking in circles. I have provided sufficient evidence to prove my argument. Wow go you! Bringing 9/11 into this! The first time in 50 years we were attacked on our own soil! I think our track record is pretty good compared to the little cesspool your from.


Proves that you don't know shit about bombers.

What happened to B1B Lancer? Disappeared? Fuck, you don't even know your own military.
image (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=1487&pictureid=18393)


Its really sad because this is common knowledge. The US has used the B52 Super fortress since the mid 50s! Get your facts straight.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-52_Stratofortress
And it wont even be retired until 2040.


No, Pakistan is number one.
Ha ha ok I would like for you to tell me that when your finished digging the sand out of your ass! lol! What a hole in the wall third world country. There seriously isnt a point to Pakistan except to raise the morale of the citizens in other countries. "Hey at least im not from Pakistan" says the guy from... Anywhere else in the world!! bahahaha

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l187/tommyb2b/pakistan1_wideweb__470x3070.jpg
Oooo I know where im staying on my vacation to PAKISTAN!

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l187/tommyb2b/delhi-slum.jpg
Hey is this your home town? How are the schools? LOL!

[Azunite]

Oh wait! Russia also has B52s!

http://www.itusozluk.com/img.php/1805aa519e7de84104ba0821a8f3f69f3510/kirov

Aye, Kirov reporting!

"""Most impressive military, largest economy in the world, highest standard of living in the world. Yeah we are number one sorry!""

Excuse me? Are you fucking kidding me?

People I am asking to silence Bimmerhead, we have had of his insults already, how dare you insult the Pakistani, the Chinese and Faris' home, Kuwait ?

[Bimmerhead]

Oh wait! Russia also has B52s!

image (http://www.itusozluk.com/img.php/1805aa519e7de84104ba0821a8f3f69f3510/kirov)

Aye, Kirov reporting!

"""Most impressive military, largest economy in the world, highest standard of living in the world. Yeah we are number one sorry!""

Excuse me? Are you fucking kidding me?

People I am asking to silence Bimmerhead, we have had of his insults already, how dare you insult the Pakistani, the Chinese and Faris' home, Kuwait ?

Hey the blimp from RedAlert! Cool! I bet those are effective seeing as they go 10mph lol Dude if you don't like what im saying don't make a completely new thread about it!

[Magus]

Most impressive military, largest economy in the world, highest standard of living in the world. Yeah we are number one sorry!High standard of living...
It's very highhttp://www.worldproutassembly.org/images/homelessness-america.jpg

Economy?
http://www.inhabitat.com/wp-content/uploads/shangh-lead2.jpg

Oh, lol no.


I have been defending my own claims all day. Its you who are talking in circles. I have provided sufficient evidence to prove my argument. Wow go you! Bringing 9/11 into this! The first time in 50 years we were attacked on our own soil! I think our track record is pretty good compared to the little cesspool your from.You are shoving shit in our ass, that's what you are doing.

9/11 proves your strong military.

And cesspool? Do you even know where I am from? Fuck this shit.

Its really sad because this is common knowledge. The US has used the B52 Super fortress since the mid 50s! Get your facts straight.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-52_Stratofortress
And it wont even be retired until 2040. NO shit.


Ha ha ok I would like for you to tell me that when your finished digging the sand out of your ass! lol! What a hole in the wall third world country.
Can you be more racist, please?


There seriously isnt a point to Pakistan except to raise the morale of the citizens in other countries. "Hey at least im not from Pakistan" says the guy from... Anywhere else in the world!! bahahahaBAHHA FUNNY BAHAHAH! No.

At least, whatever I am, at least I am not an inbred tablecloth egocentric racist bigot.

I am proud of what I did, and not what I am. I do not chose who I can be. Did you chose to be not a Pakistani? Did you chose to be not a Mexican? No. This again shows your superiors intelligence.

Boy, you love insulting other's countries while exalting yours, huh?

[embers]

Faris, Cengez, stop rubbing this troll's boner, he loves it.

[Azunite]

Nah, belly scratching is good. He's frozen anyway.

So, where were we. United States as a Military superpower, yes?

[Magus]

Faris, Cengez, stop rubbing this troll's boner, he loves it.You spelled the magic word, Paki boy!

So, where were we. United States as a Military superpower, yes?It has supersoldiers. Best Aircrafts... no, wait, Russia has some too. Oh, I guess not. And, what else? Radars. They got this dome-shaped radar. There has been only three of them. One in America, one in Britain, and one in Israel.

[Azunite]

You spelled the magic word, Paki boy!

It has supersoldiers. Best Aircrafts... no, wait, Russia has some too. Oh, I guess not. And, what else? Radars. They got this dome-shaped radar. There has been only three of them. One in America, one in Britain, and one in Israel.

Don't forget Ramirez.

[Magus]

Don't forget Ramirez.Ramirez is an illegal immigrant, how did he get in the Army?

[Azunite]

Ramirez is an illegal immigrant, how did he get in the Army?

Infinity Ward, man. With Activision they plan everything.

[Cloud]

We dont need to b e super. We just need B52s loaded with bombs. Oh wait!! We have a shitload of those lets see if you dont change your tone when you see thousands of bombs dropping 24/7 from our bombers!
i see your B52's And raise you a paveway III, 2000lb bomb, dropped smack bang in the middle of their runway or hangers, AWWW did i just fuck your bombing plans up :( im so sorry.

You still haven't explained to me WHO IS No.1?? To the rest of the world we are. So I guess that's just your personal opinion we aren't No.1?

Me, because i talk big words on the internet and can win any war with my unmatchable logic... ohwait.



How many British Navy Seals do you see? lol My dad was a Seal for a decade YA DON'T SEE MANY DUDE. Not like it matters because honestly England is Americas bitch. Ooops did I say that?
If your country is so dam powerful why do you need to drag britain in to all the conflict???? And we dont have navy seals, we have the SBS SAS, and Gurkha rifles, which youve failed to respond to.


I would like to see England do better. Last time I checked you guys were taking losses there too. You guys follow America wherever we go. What we do you do. Well you guys went out on your own for awhile when you were almost invaded by Germany! But its all ok the US was there to save you!
yes well done, you helped, thanks so much. doesnt mean you can take every country, especially considering back then we had only a fraction of the training and equiptment we do today.

Thats a bunch of bull. Your SAS is a force to be reckoned with yes. But so is our Navy Seals. They train together dude!
actually its not, our regular forces are trained far better than yours are for the money thats put into them, go look it up


We dont need to fight man to man! We have B52s! We could decimate the surface of your country without a single man touching down in your country.
Nimrod, Sentry, Hercules( NOT THE AC130 or so your COD fueled brain would have you beleive) WE got big planes too, we also have Typhoons and Tornados to shoot shit out of any planes that come near.


God why do I bother! Im trying to convince foreigners who have been trained to hate a country they have never even been to! This takes to much time!
I have been to America actually.....

That doesn't matter - America's head is so far up its military ass that it doesn't even notice.

Seriously, if this thread is just here to brag about America and its military, which you clearly have some kind of fetish or obsession for, then grow the hell up.
well said good sir


Let's just say America could decimate the first wave of attacks. Guess what? No Ammo! You are out of tomahawks, NATO rounds and grenades. You are out of oil, your Abrams tanks cannot go on!
Thanks for reminding me, how many Abrams have been lost, compared to how many Challenger 2s have been lost?

It has supersoldiers.
The closest force to super soldiers are Gurkhas since all they do from a young age is train and learn how to fight, and im sure other countries have forces like that too, dont see americas version of them since HALO isnt real.



AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND Im bored now

[scuba steve]

Oh that was fun, it's been a while since we've had an entertaining brainwashed troll in VT now :P

[HaydenM]

god this has gotten fuelled. This kid has played too much cod. The american army cannot beat al quieda and took 10 years to find one man and this kid thinks they can pick a fight with the rest of the world, get your facts straight :P

[Azunite]

god this has gotten fuelled. This kid has played too much cod. The american army cannot beat al quieda and took 10 years to find one man and this kid thinks they can pick a fight with the rest of the world, get your facts straight :P


DUDE! Come on! Ramirez, I say!

[HaydenM]

nah Soap FTW! (I'm not a pohm but the S.A.S beats any american special forces by a mile)

[thingmebob]

OK. As I am reading this I am seeing a lot of ignorant Americans that don't have a single clue about world affairs and other countries. Some do, who put their ideas through intelligently with careful consideration of other cultures for which I respect and am grateful. And as for the ignorant argument against my nation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, makes me extremely angry. Let us not forget that if it wasn't for the United Kingdom, the United States wouldn't have been created, the Americans who post these arrogant ideas would not have been born. Not just for that reason, but show some respect.
I am a huge military supporter and am very proud of HM Armed Forces, and for all the United States' faults, I admire their military. However, this superpower status has often brought out the worst in some people who come across as very arrogant.
Some Americans here have called my nation 'America's bitch'! This is the arrogance and ignorance I am talking about. The United Kingdom enters most conflicts that the United States enters BECAUSE WE ARE ALLIES!!! That's what allies do! I thought that was evident already. And we are still a military power (ranking joint 3rd with France for military expenditure in recent years) and am more than able to operate on our own. The Fawklands war was fought entirely on our own, 8000 miles away from our mainland. An interesting thought is that the United States considered a British re-conquering of the islands as 'militarily impossible'.
Sorry for ranting on like this, but I feel very strongly about this and am annoyed that many ignorant people are ruining the appearance of the greater US public.

[Stronger]

OK. As I am reading this I am seeing a lot of ignorant Americans that don't have a single clue about world affairs and other countries. Some do, who put their ideas through intelligently with careful consideration of other cultures for which I respect and am grateful. And as for the ignorant argument against my nation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, makes me extremely angry. Let us not forget that if it wasn't for the United Kingdom, the United States wouldn't have been created, the Americans who post these arrogant ideas would not have been born. Not just for that reason, but show some respect.
I am a huge military supporter and am very proud of HM Armed Forces, and for all the United States' faults, I admire their military. However, this superpower status has often brought out the worst in some people who come across as very arrogant.
Some Americans here have called my nation 'America's bitch'! This is the arrogance and ignorance I am talking about. The United Kingdom enters most conflicts that the United States enters BECAUSE WE ARE ALLIES!!! That's what allies do! I thought that was evident already. And we are still a military power (ranking joint 3rd with France for military expenditure in recent years) and am more than able to operate on our own. The Fawklands war was fought entirely on our own, 8000 miles away from our mainland. An interesting thought is that the United States considered a British re-conquering of the islands as 'militarily impossible'.
Sorry for ranting on like this, but I feel very strongly about this and am annoyed that many ignorant people are ruining the appearance of the greater US public.

Exactly....:yes:

[Stronger]

I wish we could stop arguing about who the fuck number one is.It's my personal opinion,all countries are good in their own way xD.

Still,to say AMERICA IS NUMEBR ONE IN EVERTING AND BETR THEN YOU OTHA COuNRTIES is rather irrational.

I'm not going to lie,I don't think we'll be "THE Number one super power" for very long.Do I have a problem with that ?Not one bit.You can't be number one forever.

The United States is in such decline its not even funny, look out America as China is starting to climb up to number one

[TheMatrix]

I like this Bimmerhead person. He is certainly entertaining.
Oooh....somebody should make the "Daily Bimmerhead Calender"" like one of those calenders where you tear off a new page each day. This one will have yet another troll quote from Bimmerhead on it each day. We can compile a list of 365 quotes, right?

And btw, I thought 18-year olds were supposed to be mature....:/

[PerpetualImperfexion]

It's indisputable that our country has a very strong military force. On the other hand I believe it is going to go down the shitter. There are two thing that make a nation great. Those are its economy and its military. One cannot exist without the other. Without an economy a military cannot be funded. Without a military the economy cannot be defended. When one goes down the shitter the other follows. Now who can tell me which of the two (military or economy) is going down the shitter first.

[Magus]

Without a military the economy cannot be defended. Japan, after world war II, has only a defence force yet its economy was and is stable and there were economic booms and it is predicted that there will be more in the future.

[PerpetualImperfexion]

Japan, after world war II, has only a defence force yet its economy was and is stable and there were economic booms and it is predicted that there will be more in the future.

alright then 9/10 times (Japan being the exception) an economy will fail without a military. When you say "defense force" do you mean a force that defends the country from being invaded? If so that's really the only type of military you would need. If that's the case disregard the opening sentence. Besides if we're talking about the US and I asked which of the two was failing the correct answer was economy. Even if an economy can theoretically last without a military it IS impossible to fund a military without some form of economy.

[slappy]

nah Soap FTW! (I'm not a pohm but the S.A.S beats any american special forces by a mile)

Yea, I think they win
http://yfrog.com/kia3kzhj

[Aliasing]

This thread made me laugh. Americans and their dilutions of grandeur.

Largest Armies (based on Wikipedia, CNN, and several other news networks. Including reserves)


1. Russia
2. Democratic People's Republic of Kore
3. Republic of Korea
4. Vietnam
5. India
6. China, People's Republic of
7. Iran
8. USA

Now I admit the USA is advanced militarily-wise.
But it's far from the world's best. This isn't the Cold War anymore, they aren't on the top of the world.

Besides their in 14 trillion dollars of debt. You'd think that they would be smart and try to help their economy instead of use it on tanks in a war they already lost.

(I don't want to cause controversy. I'm just here to put facts on the table. Ignore my personal statement if your sensitive)

[Sage]

This thread made me laugh. Americans and their dilutions of grandeur.

Holding someone like Bimmerhead up as a fair representation of Americans is an unjustified generalization and just shows your own prejudices.

[TheMatrix]

Well, Bimmerhead is now unfrozen(:(), so let's get back to where we were...

[TopGear]

Most people from the United States aren't like Bimmerhead. He and his post make me sick to be even in the same country. He doesn't have a clue about what he is talking about. Please excuse his irrational comments. He is NOT one who represents the US.

Anyways, Yes the US is a super power, and I would like to think that we are number 1 with the strongest military, but im not sure. Haven't done any research to prove it. Just like to think it :)

~TopGear

[PerpetualImperfexion]

Most people from the United States aren't like Bimmerhead. He and his post make me sick to be even in the same country. He doesn't have a clue about what he is talking about. Please excuse his irrational comments. He is NOT one who represents the US.

Anyways, Yes the US is a super power, and I would like to think that we are number 1 with the strongest military, but im not sure. Haven't done any research to prove it. Just like to think it :)

~TopGear

I would just like to point out that a lot of people are becoming brainwashed and becoming like bimmerhead. I can't look out the window of a moving car without seeing some one doing something moronic. I can't watch the news or read the paper without feeling that media bias is getting worse and the country is falling apart even faster. I give it a year at most.

[scuba steve]

I give it a year at most.

A year until what exactly?

[RoseyCadaver]

I would just like to point out that a lot of people are becoming brainwashed and becoming like bimmerhead. I can't look out the window of a moving car without seeing some one doing something moronic. I can't watch the news or read the paper without feeling that media bias is getting worse and the country is falling apart even faster. I give it a year at most.

I would like to beg to differ my friend.All though you are very right how people are being more brainwashed and well I won't say the next mean part but I believe the system crash is going to be slow.I think it's going to take some good time to completely mess up the system.Here is a pretty good read I found a while back http://ranprieur.com/essays/slowcrash.html .

[TheMatrix]

Most people from the United States aren't like Bimmerhead. He and his post make me sick to be even in the same country. He doesn't have a clue about what he is talking about. Please excuse his irrational comments. He is NOT one who represents the US.
Phew, I was getting worried....

Anyways, Yes the US is a super power, and I would like to think that we are number 1 with the strongest military, but im not sure. Haven't done any research to prove it. Just like to think it :)
We all like to think that our own countries have the best militaries(well, most of us at least). And that is where debates like this come from.

Speaking of which, what was the purpose of this thread again? Troll feeding? :P

[PerpetualImperfexion]

A year until what exactly?

Until our economy fails completely, a military cannot be funded, we are invaded by china, and turned it mindless zombies brainwashed to do slave labor for capitalistic communists. http://www.dailypaul.com/155091/257-foreign-trade-zones-across-america

I would like to beg to differ my friend.All though you are very right how people are being more brainwashed and well I won't say the next mean part but I believe the system crash is going to be slow.I think it's going to take some good time to completely mess up the system.Here is a pretty good read I found a while back http://ranprieur.com/essays/slowcrash.html .

I'm sorry, but once a stone starts rolling down a hill it can only get faster.

[scuba steve]

Until our economy fails completely, a military cannot be funded, we are invaded by china, and turned it mindless zombies brainwashed to do slave labor for capitalistic communists. http://www.dailypaul.com/155091/257-foreign-trade-zones-across-america



I'm sorry, but once a stone starts rolling down a hill it can only get faster.

I really hope you're trolling... We're not exactly all running around in rags at the minute, the economy will get better, this has happened before.

Also what interests would China have for invading the US and what, exactly is a Capitalistic Communist?

[PerpetualImperfexion]

I really hope you're trolling... We're not exactly all running around in rags at the minute, the economy will get better, this has happened before.

Also what interests would China have for invading the US and what, exactly is a Capitalistic Communist?

I am most certainly not trolling. At the moment China isn't going to "invade" us even if the FTZ's were established. But you have to ask yourself whats gonna happen when china decides they're not really our friend and wants some of the money we owe them. Steve I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to put two words together. Capitalistic is an adjective for Capitalist and well I hope you know what communism is otherwise you should just leave.

[Bimmerhead]

I am most certainly not trolling. At the moment China isn't going to "invade" us even if the FTZ's were established. But you have to ask yourself whats gonna happen when china decides they're not really our friend and wants some of the money we owe them. Steve I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to put two words together. Capitalistic is an adjective for Capitalist and well I hope you know what communism is otherwise you should just leave.

Yeah not for another 50 years! Our technology is vastly superior the China's. Plus to get that size invasion force over here from the other side of the world would be incredibly hard seeing as we see everything! If China were to make a move they would take India way before they touched us. China HATES India and India has 1.1 Billion people. So if they are looking for "slave labor" as you say India would be the most logical choice. Plus they share a border. Also China isnt our friends! We dont like them! lol

[TheMatrix]

Yeah not for another 50 years! Our technology is vastly superior the China's.
Oh? I want you to pick up your computer mouse. Flip it upside down. Gently, you don't want to break it!
Then take a look at the sticker on the bottom. You will find something that says "Made in _____". Please fill in the blank, then post that here.

Plus to get that size invasion force over here from the other side of the world would be incredibly hard seeing as we see everything!
Oh do you now?
Source?

If China were to make a move they would take India way before they touched us.
What would China want with India?

China HATES India and India has 1.1 Billion people. So if they are looking for "slave labor" as you say India would be the most logical choice.
Slave labour? I'm sure that was just an example...it wouldn't actually happen...

Plus they share a border.
So?

Also China isnt our friends! We dont like them! lol
Ha. Ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
*Falls out of chair and rolls on the ground*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA!!
*slightly recovers*
Oh....*snicker snicker*...I guess they were right when they said that you were not an accurate depiction of an American, and thank goodness!
You are clearly trolling. I don't even have to ask.
Please, VT, explain to "Matt" how wrong he is. I need to recover from this laughing first.
*falls on floor and continues laughing*

[RoseyCadaver]

Also China isnt our friends! We dont like them! lol
Yeah,the people we get ALL our cheap goods and products from like computers,iPods,cheap plastic shit,Wal Mart stuff,yeah they aren't our friends.:what:.

Oh not to mention we're getting loans from them.


Until our economy fails completely, a military cannot be funded, we are invaded by china, and turned it mindless zombies brainwashed to do slave labor for capitalistic communists. http://www.dailypaul.com/155091/257-foreign-trade-zones-across-america



I'm sorry, but once a stone starts rolling down a hill it can only get faster.
Did you even read my post?
I don't think China is just going to invade us turn us into zombies...that odd to think ...even for me.

[Magus]

Please, VT, explain to "Matt" how wrong he is.Oh, he is immune to our explanation.

Whatever you want to explain, he will end up saying Amerija will beat the crap out of it. You say Japan makes Anime, he will say Amerija killed Japanese and will beat the crap out of it if they bring anime. You say Qatar exports gas, he will say Amerija will beat the shit out of Qatar and take their gas. I think he has a difficulty complex of some kind. There is no possibility to reason with him; just let him slowly melt in his Amerijano complex.

[TheMatrix]

You're right.

You know, this is going to go nowhere.
Lock it?

[Bimmerhead]

Oh? I want you to pick up your computer mouse. Flip it upside down. Gently, you don't want to break it!
Then take a look at the sticker on the bottom. You will find something that says "Made in _____". Please fill in the blank, then post that here.

Im on a laptop :) But for the record its made in Malaysia. China produces our consumer electronics. Not our Military electronics. Their Military hardware is decades behind us. You guys can piss and moan all you want about it but its fact!

Oh do you now?
Source?
Its called the 3000 Satellites orbiting the earth. A massive invasion force would be seen before they even left Chinese waters.



What would China want with India?

Well here is a little history lesson for you. China and India went to war in 1969 (Sino-Indian War) over a territorial dispute. China wants India's land as well as other things. Look it up! India and China hate each other.

Slave labour? I'm sure that was just an example...it wouldn't actually happen...

I ran with the example. A number of things "could" happen. But probably wont.


Ha. Ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
*Falls out of chair and rolls on the ground*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA!!
*slightly recovers*
Oh....*snicker snicker*...I guess they were right when they said that you were not an accurate depiction of an American, and thank goodness!
You are clearly trolling. I don't even have to ask.
Please, VT, explain to "Matt" how wrong he is. I need to recover from this laughing first.
*falls on floor and continues laughing*
Right and that was called for! Your really fresh for only being 14.

Yeah,the people we get ALL our cheap goods ?and products from like computers,iPods,cheap plastic shit,Wal Mart stuff,yeah they aren't our friends.:what:.

Oh not to mention we're getting loans from them.



Did you even read my post?
I don't think China is just going to invade us turn us into zombies...that odd to think ...even for me.
Dude look at every little conflict China has ever been in. Sino-Indian War for example. We lended aid to the Indians against China. The US and China never directly face each other. They fight through other countries. Currently in 2011 we are pretty stable with them because they are moving more towards capitalism.

Oh, he is immune to our explanation.

Whatever you want to explain, he will end up saying Amerija will beat the crap out of it. You say Japan makes Anime, he will say Amerija killed Japanese and will beat the crap out of it if they bring anime. You say Qatar exports gas, he will say Amerija will beat the shit out of Qatar and take their gas. I think he has a difficulty complex of some kind. There is no possibility to reason with him; just let him slowly melt in his Amerijano complex.

Im sorry did you say something?

[Jess]

The United States is in such decline its not even funny, look out America as China is starting to climb up to number one

I agree with this.

that's all I have to say here.

[TheMatrix]

China produces our consumer electronics. Not our Military electronics. Their Military hardware is decades behind us. You guys can piss and moan all you want about it but its fact!
I have seen some millitary technology. It may be assembled here, but the electronic components, decals, covers, enclosures, whatever, are probably made in China.

Well here is a little history lesson for you. China and India went to war in 1969 (Sino-Indian War) over a territorial dispute. China wants India's land as well as other things. Look it up! India and China hate each other.
You're fighting a losing battle. Call it the Bimmerhead-VT battle of 2011.
Do a bit more research next time, 'kay? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964) :)

I ran with the example. A number of things "could" happen. But probably wont.
:what:

Right and that was called for! Your really fresh for only being 14.
It's in my nature. Get used to it.

Dude look at every little conflict China has ever been in. Sino-Indian War for example. We lended aid to the Indians against China. The US and China never directly face each other. They fight through other countries. Currently in 2011 we are pretty stable with them because they are moving more towards capitalism.
So that's why they hate each other.

Im sorry did you say something?
You were right, Faris.

[Death]

Bimmerhead

I can't help thinking that you created this thread just to continue with your nonsensical, racist rant which is founded on a foundation of bullshit simply because the other one (about America single-handedly destroying the world) was locked. How many illegal drugs are you on right now? It's the only possibly explaination that I can fathom as to exactly why someone would be so bigoted and down-right idiotic for pages and pages at a time.

And you think I'm the one with the issues, LOL.

[HaydenM]

and he is already frozen again, its like arguing with a brick wall isn't it?

[Magus]

You were right, Faris.I told you, no? ;)

[Genghis Khan]

Bimmerhead, get a toilet plunger and pull your head out of your ass.

[Magus]

Bimmerhead, get a toilet plunger and pull your head out of your ass.Since he is so in love with his military, I am pretty sure he knows what Cranium-Rectal Inversion means.

[TopGear]

Bimmerhead, please read this post.

http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=23512

again and again and again, till you understand what it is saying.

[embers]

blah blah america rules blah blah bigotry

/thread

[Aliasing]

Know what's sad. People like Bimmerhead are the faces of America.

I'm a few kilometers from the US-Canada Border; but all the Americans that come here are usually JUST like Bimmerhead. A guy the other day (wearing an American flag Bandanna too, it was funny); started to yell about How America was 'better' than all countries (Especially Canada). The best part was when I told him to please move his idiocy somewhere else (he was in front of an Elementary) he called me a Nazi.
And I'm Jewish...
So I Did a Nazi Salute.

Best way to react to morons is to act the exact way the people they are fearmongering against act.

Also did anyone else hear that China sold the US Navy a bunch of broken Microchips for rockets?
http://www.businessinsider.com/navy-chinese-microchips-weapons-could-have-been-shut-off-2011-6

[TheMatrix]

Know what's sad. People like Bimmerhead are the faces of America.
Not true. I know plenty of Americans that don't act like our good friend Bimmerhead.

blah blah america rules blah blah bigotry

/thread
I second this.

[huginnmuninn]

Bimmerhead makes me proud to be an american... yay america... im proud that my country is raising people like this to go out and talk to people... huh america is looking more and more screwed for the coming up generations

[Iris]

Bimmerhead makes me proud to be an american... yay america... im proud that my country is raising people like this to go out and talk to people... huh america is looking more and more screwed for the coming up generations

People like Bimmerhead are the minority, they just get all the attention because they say things that are outrageous. He doesn't represent this generation or the American population at all. Your statement is very insulting to people like me who are the next generation and are always told how we're causing the US to go downhill, simply because a few people say or do something stupid.

[RoseyCadaver]

Know what's sad. People like Bimmerhead are the faces of America.


Are you fucking me?Do you know how that makes you sound to say Bimmerhead is the face of America?That makes you almost as bad as him.In no way am I like that,no way are my friends like that.We don't all have our asses up our heads.IN fact not too many do.Bimmerhead is the minority like Lilys said.


Back to subject.I believe in these up coming decades America is gonna lose our Super Power Status.I'm not saying we're going to become a third world country,but I don't think we can keep printing money to get out of debt.

[Modus Operandi]

Coming from a fellow American: Bimmerhead, you're being foolish, and that's putting it VERY nicely.

Bimmerhead is certainly not representative of the majority of Americans. He represents a very deluded, vocal minority who are hanging on the the idea that America isn't beginning to fade from its former state.

[Genghis Khan]

Bimmerhead makes me proud to be an american... yay america...

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/06/340x_schultz2.jpg

im proud that my country is raising people like this to go out and talk to people...

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/06/340x_schultz2.jpg

huh america is looking more and more screwed for the coming up generations

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/06/340x_schultz2.jpg

[Death]

Know what's sad. People like Bimmerhead are the faces of America.

Bimmerhead makes me proud to be an american... yay america... im proud that my country is raising people like this to go out and talk to people... huh america is looking more and more screwed for the coming up generations

Because a few foolish people like Bimmerhead are representitive of the entire continent, right?

Oh, and is someone really negrepping and insulting me (and possibly others) just for stating that Bimmerhead's thread is simply a racist rant with no real meaning? Because that's not an opinion, it's a fact to anyone who has actually read through this thread.

[Angel Androgynous]

I read through the whole thread and all I have to say is this:

1. Bimmerhead, you make me ashamed to live in California... and I love this state.
2. Why do the ignorant bigots shout the loudest?
3. America needs to wake the fuck up, stop buying machines, and start paying off the debts and maybe funding for education and healthcare more. I don't think a nuke will be very useful when there are people who can't get healthcare and are getting sick while their kids don't even know their abcs because the teacher was laid off. Over-exaggeration? Yes. But if Bimmerhead is allowed to over-exaggerate and babble on about how the USA is the best, then I can over-exaggerate and say that. The USA schools are going down the shitter... oh wait..that isn't over-exaggeration...

[danny7]

it is a lot of money, and thats someting we have to worry about. Imagine "Martial Acts" where the military controls the nation??? think bout it.

[TheMatrix]

it is a lot of money, and thats someting we have to worry about. Imagine "Martial Acts" where the military controls the nation??? think bout it.
Hey man, that's a bump. Please don't bump old threads.
:locked: