Build Bridges, Not walls

[maestro15]

China recently opened the Jiaozhou Bay bridge （加州）It spans roughly 42.5 Km, making it the longest bridge over water.
kudos to the 中国人!!!!

also dont forget other achievements done by the chinese in the recent decades
-Three Gorges Dam
-Worlds largest ship builder
- High Speed rail
- Quality Infrastructure (i think :what:)
-2008 olympics
-etc

My Question is, If our great nation, The United States, had the money to build such an engineering feat, My feeling is, that it would be slowed or stopped or cancelled due to debates over funding, Environmentalists, corrupt politicians (maybe), The local population, and possibly Labor unions.

Please, correct me if any of what i recently mentioned sounds incorrect or odd. I like to learn :)

[trooneh]

In my opinion, the reason that it takes so long to create such feats in the United States is that we are much much much more careful about any environmental impact that this may cause, and also the government is very reluctant to put that kind of money into infrastructure. For example, it took the government 20 years to plan and complete the Big Dig (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Dig) in Boston. Back in the 1950s, when the Interstate system was being set up, highways were being constructed at a prodigous rate. Now it's at a crawl. Another example can be seen in new skyscrapers. The Empire State Building took two years from the start of construction to completion. One World Trade Center took 5 years to be approved and is estimated to take 7 years to complete from beginning of construction in 2006.

Bureaucracy slows things to a crawl here, and the same thing will happen to China in the not-so-distant future, I think.

[Bimmerhead]

China recently opened the Jiaozhou Bay bridge （加州）It spans roughly 42.5 Km, making it the longest bridge over water.
kudos to the 中国人!!!!

also dont forget other achievements done by the chinese in the recent decades
-Three Gorges Dam
-Worlds largest ship builder
- High Speed rail
- Quality Infrastructure (i think :what:)
-2008 olympics
-etc

My Question is, If our great nation, The United States, had the money to build such an engineering feat, My feeling is, that it would be slowed or stopped or cancelled due to debates over funding, Environmentalists, corrupt politicians (maybe), The local population, and possibly Labor unions.

Please, correct me if any of what i recently mentioned sounds incorrect or odd. I like to learn :)

Its easier for the Chinese to create such feats for two reasons. First reason is because they are actually in a budget surplus so they can afford such projects. Second is because they are communists and the government in China can do whatever they want! Like for example uprooting more then 2 million Chinese citizens and relocating them to make way for the 3 gorges dam. China is replacing South Korea as the largest ship builder in the world. That being said its because they are also the largest exporter in the world, they are building mostly container ships not war ships. Even if they were building war ships 90% of it would be fresh crap! One Aegis destroyer could take out have of their panzy fleet! The US is in decline economically but not militarily. We could still declare war on the entire world and win bahahahaha

[embers]

Its easier for the Chinese to create such feats for two reasons. First reason is because they are actually in a budget surplus so they can afford such projects. Second is because they are communists and the government in China can do whatever they want! Like for example uprooting more then 2 million Chinese citizens and relocating them to make way for the 3 gorges dam. China is replacing South Korea as the largest ship builder in the world. That being said its because they are also the largest exporter in the world, they are building mostly container ships not war ships. Even if they were building war ships 90% of it would be fresh crap! One Aegis destroyer could take out have of their panzy fleet! The US is in decline economically but not militarily. We could still declare war on the entire world and win bahahahaha

...are you done trying to deride China yet?

[trooneh]

Its easier for the Chinese to create such feats for two reasons. First reason is because they are actually in a budget surplus so they can afford such projects. Second is because they are communists and the government in China can do whatever they want! Like for example uprooting more then 2 million Chinese citizens and relocating them to make way for the 3 gorges dam. China is replacing South Korea as the largest ship builder in the world. That being said its because they are also the largest exporter in the world, they are building mostly container ships not war ships. Even if they were building war ships 90% of it would be fresh crap! One Aegis destroyer could take out have of their panzy fleet! The US is in decline economically but not militarily. We could still declare war on the entire world and win bahahahaha

To run a military you need an economy to provide oil and other necessities, such as food and ammunition. The United States imports a lot of its oil.

[Magus]

We could still declare war on the entire world and win bahahahahaI don't advise people to be in this level of cockiness.

How did the Nazi fare in WWII when they had the best military warfare? Yes, people learn from History(unlike some, around here).

[Azunite]

Why do I always get the feeling that Bimmertoe here likes to get his facts wrong?

I don't think the Chinese people can show resistance to any descision made by the government, they are communist after all. The government does stuff there, and a 40km long bridge would be a fancy sight for the Chinese.


Yo Bimmer, can you defeat the combined forces of Russia and China. One has Ivans on nukes, the other one spawns Chinese from the barracks building as if they wrote a "quick spawn hack". Let's add some North Korea on that and mix it with love to ready our dish.

[huginnmuninn]

We could still declare war on the entire world and win bahahahaha

No we couldnt because eventually it would most likely turn into a nuclear war and it would probably devastate the planet and maybe kill everybody.
Everyone dead =\= win

[Magus]

No we couldnt because eventually it would most likely turn into a nuclear war and it would probably devastate the planet and maybe kill everybody.
Everyone dead =\= winNo no no, you are wrong my dear.

Everyone dead = The American Race Win!


LOL, Shitty Sarcasm... You got pro, hombre?

[Bimmerhead]

I don't advise people to be in this level of cockiness.

How did the Nazi fare in WWII when they had the best military warfare? Yes, people learn from History(unlike some, around here).
The difference between us and the Nazi's is huge. For one our military is much larger and more advanced. We are not in Europe. We have also had 60+ years to become the most powerful country the world has ever seen whereas the Nazi's had 10.

Why do I always get the feeling that Bimmertoe here likes to get his facts wrong?

I don't think the Chinese people can show resistance to any descision made by the government, they are communist after all. The government does stuff there, and a 40km long bridge would be a fancy sight for the Chinese.

Yeah... Thats exactly what I just said?? Princess of Madness Can you do me a favor and read my post before tearing it to shreds? They are communists therefore impressive dams and bridges are easy to just build for them. They don't have to worry about relocating citizens, getting things approved and things like that because HEY their communist! They just do it!

Yo Bimmer, can you defeat the combined forces of Russia and China. One has Ivans on nukes, the other one spawns Chinese from the barracks building as if they wrote a "quick spawn hack". Let's add some North Korea on that and mix it with love to ready our dish.

In a non Nuclear confrontation the US would decimate the entire world. We have 10X the navy as the rest of the world combined and our technology is years past anyone elses. Did I mention we share a continent with Mexico and Canada? So we wouldn't have to worry about invasion from either of them lol So that means everyone else has to cross the ocean with their meager armies. So we can then sink them all lol!

[Sage]

Even if they were building war ships 90% of it would be fresh crap! One Aegis destroyer could take out have of their panzy fleet! The US is in decline economically but not militarily. We could still declare war on the entire world and win bahahahaha

The difference between us and the Nazi's is huge. For one our military is much larger and more advanced. We are not in Europe. We have also had 60+ years to become the most powerful country the world has ever seen whereas the Nazi's had 10.

In a non Nuclear confrontation the US would decimate the entire world. We have 10X the navy as the rest of the world combined and our technology is years past anyone elses. Did I mention we share a continent with Mexico and Canada? So we wouldn't have to worry about invasion from either of them lol So that means everyone else has to cross the ocean with their meager armies. So we can then sink them all lol!
I think it's safe to say that it's the attitude and arrogance you display that's responsible for most of the entire world hating the United States. If you add up the number of active soldiers in all the militaries of the world (see this list) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_troops) the United States doesn't have enough men or firepower to defeat all of them. I counted around ten million armed forces and gave up around the letter L, which already outnumbers the United States nearly 10:1. If you sincerely believe your country can do all that, then you've an unhealthy hard-on for war and nationalism and I recommend you go back to playing Call of Duty and watching the Superbowl.

[RoseyCadaver]

One Aegis destroyer could take out have of their panzy fleet! The US is in decline economically but not militarily. We could still declare war on the entire world and win bahahahaha
Bro,you scare the shit out of me :crazy: .In fact....if you were even close becoming the president of the United States I would kill myself,then some how burry myself,and then some how,under the ground,catch myself on fire.

You shouldn't dis someone else's acomplishment.It makes you look like an ass in all honesty.I for one,congrats China for this accomplishment,and also want to say thanks for lending money to us :cool:.

[Magus]

You shouldn't dis someone else's acomplishment.It makes you look like an ass in all honesty.I for one,congrats China for this accomplishment,and want to say thanks for lending money to us :cool:.China is building bridges, not walls. A good thing, playah.

So, man's effort in making the country's landscape a bit nicer is called communism, but making guns and machinery to kill(non-Americanzz) is not. Fuck.

Is China still a communist country, with the open-trade and private property policies? I don't think so.

[MadManWithaBox]

The difference between us and the Nazi's is huge. For one our military is much larger and more advanced. We are not in Europe. We have also had 60+ years to become the most powerful country the world has ever seen whereas the Nazi's had 10.



Yeah... Thats exactly what I just said?? Princess of Madness Can you do me a favor and read my post before tearing it to shreds? They are communists therefore impressive dams and bridges are easy to just build for them. They don't have to worry about relocating citizens, getting things approved and things like that because HEY their communist! They just do it!



In a non Nuclear confrontation the US would decimate the entire world. We have 10X the navy as the rest of the world combined and our technology is years past anyone elses. Did I mention we share a continent with Mexico and Canada? So we wouldn't have to worry about invasion from either of them lol So that means everyone else has to cross the ocean with their meager armies. So we can then sink them all lol!

Nazis had 6 years, not 10. Technically 4 years really.

[HaydenM]

The difference between us and the Nazi's is huge. For one our military is much larger and more advanced. We are not in Europe. We have also had 60+ years to become the most powerful country the world has ever seen whereas the Nazi's had 10.



Yeah... Thats exactly what I just said?? Princess of Madness Can you do me a favor and read my post before tearing it to shreds? They are communists therefore impressive dams and bridges are easy to just build for them. They don't have to worry about relocating citizens, getting things approved and things like that because HEY their communist! They just do it!



In a non Nuclear confrontation the US would decimate the entire world. We have 10X the navy as the rest of the world combined and our technology is years past anyone elses. Did I mention we share a continent with Mexico and Canada? So we wouldn't have to worry about invasion from either of them lol So that means everyone else has to cross the ocean with their meager armies. So we can then sink them all lol!

Yes the faults are, if america were to declare war on everbody in the world, America has 300 million people (aprox) now i would say about a quater of those would be able to fight in a war (that is optimistic)

Now the world have 6,775,235,700 people aprox

- 300,000,000

so that is 6,475,235,700 people

so lets run the numbers one more time

america would have around 750,000 people (all called to arms)
versus the would that has 1,618,808,925 people. Now even if they were all unarmed america would get over run and killed off.

[Azunite]

In a non Nuclear confrontation the US would decimate the entire world. We have 10X the navy as the rest of the world combined and our technology is years past anyone elses. Did I mention we share a continent with Mexico and Canada? So we wouldn't have to worry about invasion from either of them lol So that means everyone else has to cross the ocean with their meager armies. So we can then sink them all lol!

You need pshycological help, boy.

[Tristin.]

small statistic here for you brimmer, china, has the largest military in the world, they are te worlds biggest employer, they will never be afraid to nuke, bomb or slaughter. ever.

all this is, is another example of american egocentric personalities, arrogance and general stupidity. and amercia wonders why it is one of the most hated countrires on earth?

[Azunite]

America couldn't endure a prolonged fight against China, since they will keep coming, soon soldiers would run out of ammo. And you expect to defeat an army of at least a billion, Bimmer?

[Tristin.]

also, to quote your call of duty trash that you are clearly basing your facts on brimmer, in the latest mondern warfare, was america not reduced to ruble and loosing the fight? against only russia? and lets face it, i think europe would band together, 1 continent against 1 country? good luck

[Azunite]

also, to quote your call of duty trash that you are clearly basing your facts on brimmer, in the latest mondern warfare, was america not reduced to ruble and loosing the fight? against only russia? and lets face it, i think europe would band together, 1 continent against 1 country? good luck

Slow down Tristin, if we start referring to Call of Duty, we will prove him further and he'll be like "Ramirez can single-handedly destroy the world! That's what Sgt. Foley said!"

[Tristin.]

Slow down Tristin, if we start referring to Call of Duty, we will prove him further and he'll be like "Ramirez can single-handedly destroy the world! That's what Sgt. Foley said!"

damn, sorry, i forgot. more american egocenticity :/

either way we look at this, brimmer, you are serioudly delusional. and the worrying fact is, i doubt you are alone in your delusions

[CaliKid24]

Wow this is really bad, dude Brimmer think, yea our military is good, but why would we ever put ourselves in a situation to fight the world? obviously if the whole world was against us, the USA was doing something wrong. And again to Brimmer, you don't need to try to show the faults in another country to show the greatness of ours. Congratulations to China, but I still will not consider the Chinese people successful until their government stops restricting them of there freedoms.

[Tristin.]

oh, and america is not the worlds greatest country. if they were as great as you claim, they would not have started the current global financial situation

[CaliKid24]

oh, and america is not the worlds greatest country. if they were as great as you claim, they would not have started the current global financial situation

i think greatness is an opinion, we may not be the greatest in your opinion, but you have to admit that there are far worst countries in this world.

[Tristin.]

in terms of the people? id say america is pretty bad, brimmer here is a prime example. many are ignorant to the world and full of arrogance. there is being a patriot and full blown delusion. in my opinion, for the beauty of the country, the importance it has played in the past century, then yes, american is ONE of the greatest countries. in my opinion also, no country is the greatest. id say 7 countries are tied for that position if it were ever to be given

[CaliKid24]

I say the people here have a bad international reputation, a small minority of people here think like Brimmer. I agree that no country is the greatest, because in my opinion, greatness is an opinion, I am sure there are people who think that Nazi Germany was the greatest. A majority of Americans have the best intentions though. And just out of curiosity, what are those 7 countries?

[Azunite]

in terms of the people? id say america is pretty bad, brimmer here is a prime example. many are ignorant to the world and full of arrogance. there is being a patriot and full blown delusion. in my opinion, for the beauty of the country, the importance it has played in the past century, then yes, american is ONE of the greatest countries. in my opinion also, no country is the greatest. id say 7 countries are tied for that position if it were ever to be given

Slow down champion, 3/4 of this forum is American

[Tristin.]

i would say, considering culture, contribution to world history, etc:

Greece
Turkey
The United Kingdom
Cambodia
Peru
America
France

even though the choices are hard, i would say those 7. with room for movement

[CaliKid24]

so are those your all time choices? like countries that influenced history in a positive way? i would switch Cambodia with Italy/Rome.

[Azunite]

What can you tell me about Cambodia and Peru?

By the way I agree with cali16, Roman Empire had a huge influence. Thanks to the expansion of Latin modern German and French languages were founded.

[Tristin.]

cambodia was the first city to experiment with water ways (that we know of)

peru gave us the incas and aztecs

[Azunite]

As I said, I'd rather add Latins or the Chinese to it.

Yeah, how come we forgot the Chinese? Chinese passed everything to Arabia, and Crusaders took everything from Arabs and took it to Europe, we shouldn't forget the chinese.

[Tristin.]

true. as i said, that list is changable, it was only 7 countries after all

[CaliKid24]

i would still put Rome over Cambodia, when Rome fell, it took the world centuries to recover. And the Egyptians in my opinion are more significant then the Incas or Aztecs. Just personal opinion though.

I am not great at history, so explain Turkey?

[Tristin.]

i put in egypt?

and turkey is home to istanbul, constantinopal, the literal meeting point of eats and west. it spans from eastern roman empire, to byzatine, to ottoman the ammount of history, science and cultural discoveries that have flown through turkey are mind boggeling

[CaliKid24]

No you didn't put in Egypt, i was saying it should have been in there. Oh ok, I was thinking about the modern country of Turkey but yes I see what you mean now.

[Azunite]

Only good thing us Turks did was to find the "division" system in military. Other than that, we conquered half of the known world and had a large influence in Balkans, etc. We were the nation once all military leaders were afraid of, even Hitler was afraid to attack Turkey in WW2. But, I digress.

Yeah well other than military might I can't think of anything. But if we take "Turkey" rather than "Turks" I'd have Istanbul, of course. And since it is a place where many different nationalities live ( from Jews to Armenians ) we could have advanced in a rapid pace in Ottoman era, if our sultans weren't stupid.

And cali, Turkey literally means "The land of Turks" , I think this was originated from Latin or Italian in Ottoman Era or something, since then Anatolia is called "Turkey"

[Tristin.]

the bane of all countries, silly leaders

[Azunite]

Well it was actually the women of the court who manipulated the sultans, I hate em :P

[Malcolm Tucker]

In future, just report something you feel is off-topic. Just because you started the thread doesn't give you the right to back-seat mod.

So yeah, try and keep on-topic folks. Thanks.

[Bimmerhead]

Yes the faults are, if america were to declare war on everbody in the world, America has 300 million people (aprox) now i would say about a quater of those would be able to fight in a war (that is optimistic)

Now the world have 6,775,235,700 people aprox

- 300,000,000

so that is 6,475,235,700 people

so lets run the numbers one more time

america would have around 750,000 people (all called to arms)
versus the would that has 1,618,808,925 people. Now even if they were all unarmed america would get over run and killed off.

Why is everyone forgetting the fact that we are separated from the rest of the world?? I wish them good luck getting to this continent lol People are so delusional to think that anything BUT the fear of nuclear Holocaust is stopping us from ruling the world. Lets face it with the most powerful military in the world times 100 and the largest economy in the world we basically do already. :)

[RoseyCadaver]

Holocaust is stopping us from ruling the world.Lets face it with the most powerful military in the world times 100 and the largest economy in the world we basically do already. :)

I believe you have COMPLETELY lost it ,Bimmerhead.Can we just congrats China on what they're doing,okay?Instead of trying to make America look like we're some super man country can take over the whole world.Thanks.

[Azunite]

Why is everyone forgetting the fact that we are separated from the rest of the world?? I wish them good luck getting to this continent lol People are so delusional to think that anything BUT the fear of nuclear Holocaust is stopping us from ruling the world. Lets face it with the most powerful military in the world times 100 and the largest economy in the world we basically do already. :)

I can't beleive your parents or your siblings ( if you have ) can endure your mumbling all day.

[Magus]

I can't beleive your parents or your siblings ( if you have ) can endure your mumbling all day.You got something in your head? They are the one who taught him!

[Azunite]

You got something in your head? They are the one who taught him!

Don't think so, the kid is a CoD-Fag. Parents are supposed to be wise, perhaps in their childhood his parents were like this but adults see the real thing.

It's either CoD or the Allied scenario of RA2

[SosbanFach]

Can't BimmerHead and SecretSalt just stop arguing! It's not going to get anywhere. Get back to the point in hand!

[Azunite]

Can't BimmerHead and SecretSalt just stop arguing! It's not going to get anywhere. Get back to the point in hand!

Yeah, we should build bridges instead of walls.

[Tristin.]

iam at an utter loss for words. brimmerhead is compleatly delusional and tbh, his ignorance is quite terrifying. to think, he could, in theory, be president one day. or in a seat of power....

[Malcolm Tucker]

Ok SERIOUSLY - Back on topic now.

Anymore of this giving out and the thread will be locked, and infractions may even be given out. So yeah, back on topic.

[Azunite]

(Allright back on topic)

Well as I have said, Communism has a big effect on China. No oppresion, no enviorement groups, swift construction...