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Lethe
June 27th, 2011, 10:54 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13936998

I recently read this article and was curious to see what others think of this :D.

If you didn't read the article, here's a synopsis:

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In Minnesota, alcoholics are offered housing without being told to stop drinking. There are three of these "wet houses" in Minnesota, and they follow the controversial rule that no person can stop you from drinking. If you want to you can "drink yourself into a stupor, or even to death".

People's House states that alcoholics that live at the wet houses have shorter binges than those who have not attended a wet house and says that it saves the county about $500,000 a year by reducing hospital visits and jail bookings.

Many alcoholics that live at the wet houses say that their lives have been turned around or saved. They claim that the option to drink or not gives them more power and makes them more motivated to stop drinking as often. ""When someone tells me I can't do something, I'm going to do everything in my power to do that," Mr Mihalik (an alcoholic since he was 18) says. "That's kind of vanquished here. They're saying 'go ahead and drink', and all of a sudden the options fall in my lap."

The wet houses do not provide alcohol for the residents; they must buy their own with their own money. This also weighs heavily on choice; spend money on alcohol, or save it for something worthwhile?

Of course there are critics. The County Commissioner states that enabling alcoholics to drink is only costing the tax payers more money, and it is helping to destroy people's lives.

Still, the wet houses continue to abide by their "no forced sobriety" rule.

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What do you think of all of this? What is your opinion on wet houses? Do you believe these types of facilities enable users to continue to drink when they wish to stop? Is having the option to drink a good or bad thing, especially in a place that is trying to help those with drinking problems in the first place?

Dog Desab
June 27th, 2011, 11:03 PM
Dumb I mean WTF?! I agree with the County Commissioner. It would be a waste of tax dollars to build houses like these so that people can live in and just drink alcohol. Couldn't a homeless person just go in and just say that they are an alcoholic and live there for free? And well I don't think it can stop someone from drinking. Wouldn't it be an alternative to paying for your own bills and house so that every night you can drink. I read the synopsis not the article so I'm not sure of any variables that could possibly be apart of the wet houses.

Unlucky_Leprechaun
June 29th, 2011, 06:00 PM
I agree with jhollis0812..total ridiculous use of tax dollars that is funding that? WOW, if it is privately funded or run on donations then that is different. I cannot believe the taxpayers actually are not going crazy.

Korashk
June 29th, 2011, 06:46 PM
I agree with jhollis0812..total ridiculous use of tax dollars that is funding that? WOW, if it is privately funded or run on donations then that is different. I cannot believe the taxpayers actually are not going crazy.
It's because the plan saves those taxpayers half a mil a year. You and jhollis should actually read the sources before spewing indignation.

Sage
June 29th, 2011, 10:41 PM
It's because the plan saves those taxpayers half a mil a year. You and jhollis should actually read the sources before spewing indignation.

I agree. If the program's proven to have good success results and saves taxpayers money, I can't see any reason not to support it.

Unlucky_Leprechaun
June 29th, 2011, 11:00 PM
It's because the plan saves those taxpayers half a mil a year. You and jhollis should actually read the sources before spewing indignation.

Just because it is saving that money still doesn't make it a good use of taxpayers money. There are thousands of programs that do just that and in MY opinion, this is one. Again, opinion here (since that is what was asked for) enabling an illness is morally wrong, these people need guidance and help to kick the demons of alcohol completely not given a social network to continue this cycle of abuse.

Dog Desab
June 29th, 2011, 11:10 PM
Oh wow I actually read it.... I feel dumb. It actually does help compared to how I thought it would not help at all.

Sage
June 30th, 2011, 09:01 AM
Just because it is saving that money still doesn't make it a good use of taxpayers money. There are thousands of programs that do just that and in MY opinion, this is one. Again, opinion here (since that is what was asked for) enabling an illness is morally wrong, these people need guidance and help to kick the demons of alcohol completely not given a social network to continue this cycle of abuse.

But they're not continuing it. Did you not even read the bloody article? Alcoholics who attend this recover more than those who do not.

Unlucky_Leprechaun
July 2nd, 2011, 04:44 PM
Yes I did read the "bloody article" and it did not say they recover more it says:

According to People's House research, its residents indulge in fewer, shorter binges between stays than alcoholics who have not spent time at the centre. (The average stay is 21 months, the centre says). Plus it states one resident has been there 11 years...(Which if you conduct your OWN research on your OWN product/service...I'm sure you will want favorable outcomes)

and it further states:

It is not hard to find them on the nearby streets, scraping together a few dollars by holding up "homeless" or "hungry" signs at traffic intersections, or collecting cans for recycling.

Doesn't sound like fast recovery to me...

CaptainObvious
July 2nd, 2011, 04:54 PM
Doesn't sound like fast recovery to me...

No alcoholic recovery is "fast." That's why alcoholism is one of the worst addictions. If this treatment has better results than forced sobriety - and indeed, I would want more than a self-conducted study to prove that - and costs less, then what argument do you have? The point of addiction treatment is to lower the social and economic costs of addiction, and to attempt to help addicts abstain. If these do both as well as or better than other treatment methods, what's the problem?

Unlucky_Leprechaun
July 3rd, 2011, 01:14 AM
no problem at all with that. I was mainly commenting on the statement made in the previous posters comments -- Alcoholics who attend this recover more than those who do not--- maybe i missed that in the article?
I am all for treating and allowing anyone with a problem back into society and sustaining that treatment. I'm not totally convinced that allowing someone to live there for 11 years and continue the same path without some type of intervention is truly a good use of the local taxpayers money...maybe if they attempted to put some type of limits on the length..I'm not sure exactly the right answer here... but I can definitely see the County Commissioners side of this as well.

You will never please all the people all the time.