Dont believe in evolution? Come on Down!!!

[maestro15]

Hai,
i seem to have a lot of extra time on my hands ( i have a life, btw).

I would like anyone Who DOES NOT BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION to provide me with an argument. I will attempt to argue or contradict that statement from you guys. If I fail to, then i have reason to believe in the creationist viewpoint

Try to disprove evolution for me, Please.

In addition, as any good debator, i will provide the sources : )

Happy debating

[disassociation2016]

Since you seem like you're looking for a challenge. I ask why if animal A evolved from animal B why are there still both animal A, and B?

-The above statement was asked objectively. Just for the purposes of giving the OP something to think about.-

[Sage]

Since you seem like you're looking for a challenge. I ask why if animal A evolved from animal B why are there still both animal A, and B?

There aren't.

[RoseyCadaver]

There aren't.

Yep.

I used to animate,they're is a little helper program called onion skin,what it did is show you the difference from the last frame and over time.I believe through decades there are little changes(known as micro evolution ).You can see it in my corals from my tank.I have zoanthids,aka average polyps,a couple are green,then some change to a light green ,some are green/orange,and now I have orange.

Isn't there a already a thread like this :P?

[Genghis Khan]

Since you seem like you're looking for a challenge. I ask why if animal A evolved from animal B why are there still both animal A, and B?

I can't recall or know of a single case where this is true. Even if it was, which is usually the opinion of bigoted zealots who think we came from monkeys, it is just as stupid as saying 'Why does England still exist if American's were originally English people?'. The statement is of little to no value.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uDAX52LNPg

[Magus]

Yep.

I used to animate,they're is a little helper program called onion skin,what it did is show you the difference from the last frame and over time.I believe through decades there are little changes(known as micro evolution ).You can see it in my corals from my tank.I have zoanthids,aka average polyps,a couple are green,then some change to a light green ,some are green/orange,and now I have orange.

Isn't there a already a thread like this :P?

Best example of micro-evolution: A bacteria that was feeding on water and sugar, and was growing in number. Later, when scientist switched from water and sugar to glycerine, more than half of the bacteria died(mostly from the older generation), but those who survived not only gained immunity against the new material, but started to feed on it.

Evolution right there, mothafuckas.

[RoseyCadaver]

Best example of micro-evolution: A bacteria that was feeding on water and sugar, and was growing in number. Later, when scientist switched from water and sugar to glycerine, more than half of the bacteria died(mostly from the older generation), but those who survived not only gained immunity against the new material, but started to feed on it.

Evolution right there, mothafuckas.

Very good example :yes:.


I wish people would just face the facts.Evolution is a fact,and no one told them they couldn't believe in their do...I mean God.

[Alex_16]

here is a question...if we evoloved from monkeys and all that crap...than how come you dont see monkeys and apes sitting in the zoo changing to humans...

[Genghis Khan]

here is a question...if we evoloved from monkeys and all that crap...than how come you dont see monkeys and apes sitting in the zoo changing to humans...

That's not how evolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution) works.

For fucks sake, evolution does NOT state we evolved from monkeys or gorillas. Monkeys, gorillas, modern day apes and humans have a common ancestor named Homidae (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominid). Please please please, do some pre-reading before jumping to biased conclusions about scientific theories.

[User Deleted]

Well, personally, I have the unusual standpoint of believing a creationist standpoint and evolution so... I guess I can't put up an argument :P

[RoseyCadaver]

here is a question...if we evoloved from monkeys and all that crap...than how come you dont see monkeys and apes sitting in the zoo changing to humans...

ROFL!

We didn't evolve from monkeys,we share a same ancestor.Plus like he said above me,that is not how it works.I know they're different theories,I believe mother nature leaves check points,eventually these check points go away,not all the time,because sometimes these check points could be stronger then the "newer" version.Still,we didn't come from monkeys,or apes,just share their ancestors.

Even if that was the case,do you realize how long it would take for that to happen?!?!?!

[slappy]

I believe in evolution. The reason is, the earth is not 2500 years old or how ever old the Christian realign says. Life itself is older than earth. But what I don't understand that ties into hotpass105 comment. Animals supposedly came from the sea onto land and there are still animals in the sea. So they came on land and went back into the sea. But if you understand why this is please tell me because I am honestly confused on that part of evolution.

[User Deleted]

I believe in evolution. The reason is, the earth is not 2500 years old or how ever old the Christian realign says. Life itself is older than earth. But what I don't understand that ties into hotpass105 comment. Animals supposedly came from the sea onto land and there are still animals in the sea. So they came on land and went back into the sea. But if you understand why this is please tell me because I am honestly confused on that part of evolution.

If I understand what you are saying I believe it is that only some animals in the sea not all of them would have evolved while the remaining animals in the sea evolved further into aquatic animals.

[Magus]

here is a question...if we evoloved from monkeys and all that crap...than how come you dont see monkeys and apes sitting in the zoo changing to humans...Monkeys? Those Apes are actually modern beings -- perhaps it will take them another 100, 000 years to become "humans".

And all that crap? So, which is better? Something that research and a backed up collection of data claims(we are an evolved beings) or some ancient books of fable(we came from mud and shit) claims?

[RoseyCadaver]

I believe in evolution. The reason is, the earth is not 2500 years old or how ever old the Christian realign says. Life itself is older than earth. But what I don't understand that ties into hotpass105 comment. Animals supposedly came from the sea onto land and there are still animals in the sea. So they came on land and went back into the sea. But if you understand why this is please tell me because I am honestly confused on that part of evolution.

Like I said,mother nature leaves her check points,but to sound more scientifically correct.....

It's is sad that in the water things evolved to all different things,so only one path(the thing that walked on land) would have to be destroyed,not all the animals from the sea share the exact same thing.

This is just my hypothesis,but I believe a very simple creature say a trilobite evolved on land and is what we see as bugs(both Inverts),and something else,say a rather advanced fish starting to breathe oxygen via water and air slowly came into an amphibian(more then likely mudpuppy).




Monkeys? Those Apes are actually modern beings -- perhaps it will take them another 100, 000 years to become "humans".

And all that crap? So, which is better? Something that research and a backed up collection of data claims(we are an evolved beings) or some ancient books of fable(we came from mud and shit) claims?

HOW DARE YOU TaLK ABOUT US Commming from mud and the holy bouk!What r u bud,a terriost who tinks about stuff :crazy:?

[Jess]

here is a question...if we evoloved from monkeys and all that crap...than how come you dont see monkeys and apes sitting in the zoo changing to humans...

monkeys and apes don't change to humans (if they even do) in a matter of a few days, weeks, months, or even years. It'll take a long long long time, as Electric Nomad said, maybe 100,000 years, and you and I won't be around

AND as genghiskhan said, evolution didn't say we evolved from monkeys.

[Alex_16]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__sVn3SeSE8E/TCwcqBVAcrI/AAAAAAAAAM4/ai2vtJRjx0g/s1600/evolution-of-man-8x6.jpg

ok so hmm looks like monkey on the left...to man on right...you cant tell me that we evolved...we were put on earth by god... even if u dont think we came from like monkeys and that shit...if u think that whole came from water shit is true than ur freaking stupid....there is no way that the world was here...and all ocean..with creatures in it that came on land ... and thats where we came from...its impossible...the whole evolution theory should be thrown in the trash

[Malcolm Tucker]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__sVn3SeSE8E/TCwcqBVAcrI/AAAAAAAAAM4/ai2vtJRjx0g/s1600/evolution-of-man-8x6.jpg

ok so hmm looks like monkey on the left...to man on right...you cant tell me that we evolved...we were put on earth by god... even if u dont think we came from like monkeys and that shit...if u think that whole came from water shit is true than ur freaking stupid....there is no way that the world was here...and all ocean..with creatures in it that came on land ... and thats where we came from...its impossible...the whole evolution theory should be thrown in the trash

Can you prove we were put on Earth by God?

[embers]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__sVn3SeSE8E/TCwcqBVAcrI/AAAAAAAAAM4/ai2vtJRjx0g/s1600/evolution-of-man-8x6.jpg

ok so hmm looks like monkey on the left...to man on right...you cant tell me that we evolved...we were put on earth by god... even if u dont think we came from like monkeys and that shit...if u think that whole came from water shit is true than ur freaking stupid....there is no way that the world was here...and all ocean..with creatures in it that came on land ... and thats where we came from...its impossible...the whole evolution theory should be thrown in the trash

*Sigh*

Okay, let's do it the easy way.

Give me undeniable proof that God exists.

[scuba steve]

Hasn't it been said that that single traditional image of human evolution is inaccurate anyway because of the many branches of evolution that have taken place?

[RoseyCadaver]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__sVn3SeSE8E/TCwcqBVAcrI/AAAAAAAAAM4/ai2vtJRjx0g/s1600/evolution-of-man-8x6.jpg

ok so hmm looks like monkey on the left...to man on right...you cant tell me that we evolved...we were put on earth by god... even if u dont think we came from like monkeys and that shit...if u think that whole came from water shit is true than ur freaking stupid....there is no way that the world was here...and all ocean..with creatures in it that came on land ... and thats where we came from...its impossible...the whole evolution theory should be thrown in the trash

I'd believe that before we came from mud.

This is an artist old perception that we came from monkeys,I used to think that too.I did more research on it and realized WE SHARED A MOTHER FUCKIN ANCESTOR!

So where is your proof God put us on this Earth?!?!??An old book edited over (a)God knows how many times?!?!

[Amnesiac]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__sVn3SeSE8E/TCwcqBVAcrI/AAAAAAAAAM4/ai2vtJRjx0g/s1600/evolution-of-man-8x6.jpg

ok so hmm looks like monkey on the left...to man on right...you cant tell me that we evolved...we were put on earth by god... even if u dont think we came from like monkeys and that shit...if u think that whole came from water shit is true than ur freaking stupid....there is no way that the world was here...and all ocean..with creatures in it that came on land ... and thats where we came from...its impossible...the whole evolution theory should be thrown in the trash

You don't know what you're talking about.

[Alex_16]

there is no undeniable proof...its called faith...all the science behind "the big bang" and all that is garbage... and what i think is funny is that there are so many people willing to back up science and everything ...but this country has so much bullshit...maybe ill become president one day and actually set this country straight...like u know how Obama took our troops out of Iraq...its a load of BS.... he took them out and stationed them in a city outside of Iraq...everyday they drive into Iraq...this world is full of liars and BS and im tired of it....everyone just goes on with there lives as if nothings wrong...but there is..this whole country is wrong

[User Deleted]

This is a big fight when is a mod going to lock it!? Everybody, please, take it down a notch!

[Jess]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__sVn3SeSE8E/TCwcqBVAcrI/AAAAAAAAAM4/ai2vtJRjx0g/s1600/evolution-of-man-8x6.jpg

ok so hmm looks like monkey on the left...to man on right...you cant tell me that we evolved...we were put on earth by god... even if u dont think we came from like monkeys and that shit...if u think that whole came from water shit is true than ur freaking stupid....there is no way that the world was here...and all ocean..with creatures in it that came on land ... and thats where we came from...its impossible...the whole evolution theory should be thrown in the trash

so we were made from dirt, huh? fossils are fake?

[Malcolm Tucker]

there is no undeniable proof...its called faith...all the science behind "the big bang" and all that is garbage... and what i think is funny is that there are so many people willing to back up science and everything ...but this country has so much bullshit...maybe ill become president one day and actually set this country straight...like u know how Obama took our troops out of Iraq...its a load of BS.... he took them out and stationed them in a city outside of Iraq...everyday they drive into Iraq...this world is full of liars and BS and im tired of it....everyone just goes on with there lives as if nothings wrong...but there is..this whole country is wrong

Back on topic, now. This is not an Obama-debate. Now either make your case or leave the thread.

[Amnesiac]

there is no undeniable proof...its called faith...all the science behind "the big bang" and all that is garbage... and what i think is funny is that there are so many people willing to back up science and everything ...but this country has so much bullshit...maybe ill become president one day and actually set this country straight...like u know how Obama took our troops out of Iraq...its a load of BS.... he took them out and stationed them in a city outside of Iraq...everyday they drive into Iraq...this world is full of liars and BS and im tired of it....everyone just goes on with there lives as if nothings wrong...but there is..this whole country is wrong

You don't know what you're talking about.

This is just baseless rambling about concepts you probably learned about by some conspiratorial blogger on the Internet.

It's just incredibly ignorant and foolish to throw away hundreds of years of research because you, the know-it all who thinks he knows more about science than the people who actually do the research, dedicate their lives to it and make it what it is, think it's bullshit. These theories have been studied for over 150 years. Please, take your ridiculous rants somewhere else.

[User Deleted]

there is no undeniable proof...its called faith
True, read the bible and when do you see "ooh lookie here undeniable proof in the modern world that I'm real?" Answer is, you don't.

Now, all I'm saying is, there is no proof. It is a choice up to you to make if you believe or not.

[Genghis Khan]

there is no undeniable proof...its called faith...

No. There's faith and then there's undeniable proof. Evidence supported theories which in this case are scientific theories are facts for which one does not require faith to believe in. Scientific study is about positive statements backed up by years of blood sweat and tear filled research, faith requires a good imagination and bullshit story.

all the science behind "the big bang" and all that is garbage...

No it isn't. I've just explained this.

and what i think is funny is that there are so many people willing to back up science and everything ...but this country has so much bullshit...

Hm.

maybe ill become president one day and actually set this country straight...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_NURTFz-26UI/Sp65VLIjKpI/AAAAAAAAAgU/ffAoWCIbmdc/s400/0901px-laughing-l.jpg

everyone just goes on with there lives as if nothings wrong...but there is..this whole country is wrong

Tell me about it. People go on with their lives thinking a monkey suddenly popped a human out of its vagina... yes there is something terribly wrong with the world.

As far as your other posts go, I haven't seen you make a single claim that has been taken seriously by anyone. There's even a whole thread on how to debate (http://virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=23512), and we still have you coming here with your bigoted zealot theories and 'Oh I don't know what that is but it sure looks like a monkey to me' misconceptions about scientific theories. Pick up a goddamn book (http://hotmommas.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/book-image.jpg).

[RoseyCadaver]

there is no undeniable proof...its called faith

I thought faith was to believe in something without much fact to base it up on :what: .



...all the science behind "the big bang" and all that is garbage... and what i think is funny is that there are so many people willing to back up science and everything ...

Yes,and a senior citizen built the worlds biggest ark and gathered all the world's animals......

[Amnesiac]

there is no undeniable proof...its called faith...all the science behind "the big bang" and all that is garbage... and what i think is funny is that there are so many people willing to back up science and everything ...but this country has so much bullshit...maybe ill become president one day and actually set this country straight...like u know how Obama took our troops out of Iraq...its a load of BS.... he took them out and stationed them in a city outside of Iraq...everyday they drive into Iraq...this world is full of liars and BS and im tired of it....everyone just goes on with there lives as if nothings wrong...but there is..this whole country is wrong

Okay, I'm here again to say more. First, read this goddamn post. (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1132618&postcount=1701)

We're done with the big bang.

Moving on, this debate has nothing to do with Obama and the so-called bullshit you believe this country is filled with even though you're the one contributing to it. The world is not full of liars and bullshit. You're the one who's advancing the ignorance you so openly despise by spitting on scientific theories as if you actually know what they're saying. Your understanding of evolution, as displayed earlier in this thread, is none. You haven't said anything of substance this entire thread. None of your improperly written posts has contributed anything to this debate except an embarrassing portrait of just how little you, as a person, know about science.

If you're going to come back and post in this thread again, actually debate. Don't ramble on about how concepts you obviously don't understand are bullshit and then whine about the human condition.

I'm not trying to be harsh, just honest. Seriously, this thread is just an all out flame war against you, because you had to come in here and attempt to lecture us about evolution. If you're going to debate the topic, understand it first.

In addition to what I'v just said, I want to add that you can't 'believe' in evolution. The evolution of species over time is a fact, because it is observable. You don't choose to believe facts. They are what they are, and no amount of misunderstood debating against the theory of evolution will change the fact that it exists, and has been happening as long as life has existed. God and religion aren't part of this debate. Really, this thread should be used to answer peoples' questions about evolutionary theory, rather than the shitstorm it's developed into.

[Perseus]

there is no undeniable proof...its called faith...all the science behind "the big bang" and all that is garbage... and what i think is funny is that there are so many people willing to back up science and everything ...but this country has so much bullshit...maybe ill become president one day and actually set this country straight...like u know how Obama took our troops out of Iraq...its a load of BS.... he took them out and stationed them in a city outside of Iraq...everyday they drive into Iraq...this world is full of liars and BS and im tired of it....everyone just goes on with there lives as if nothings wrong...but there is..this whole country is wrong

You should take a gander at this (http://www.onelife.com/evolve/manev.html).

[Death]

ILMB is obviously just trolling. I mean really, no-one's this brain-dead stupid, right? I say leave him be so as not to feed him any more than he needs to be.

[BFG9001]

ILMB is obviously just trolling. I mean really, no-one's this brain-dead stupid, right? I say leave him be so as not to feed him any more than he needs to be.

Feeding trolls is fun, though.

[Neverender]

there is no undeniable proof...its called faith...all the science behind "the big bang" and all that is garbage... and what i think is funny is that there are so many people willing to back up science and everything ...but this country has so much bullshit...maybe ill become president one day and actually set this country straight...like u know how Obama took our troops out of Iraq...its a load of BS.... he took them out and stationed them in a city outside of Iraq...everyday they drive into Iraq...this world is full of liars and BS and im tired of it....everyone just goes on with there lives as if nothings wrong...but there is..this whole country is wrong

You're an absolute moron. Please locate your nearest cliff and jump accordingly. Human evolution will advance 2 million years if you do.

here is a question...if we evoloved from monkeys and all that crap...than how come you dont see monkeys and apes sitting in the zoo changing to humans...

You're a fucking idiot. You don't even know how evolution works. Monkeys don't just die and we show up. Its breeding in a selective area for a grand amount of time within a selective population that means certain charasteristics become dominant while others wean out. During the ice age, Humans were sustained by probably only a few thousand breeding pairs.. This accelerated evolution to make us into the nearly hairless creatures we are, a far cry from our neanderthal brethren from 30,000 Years ago. There were also pygmy humans as close to 2000 years ago on some small Pacific islands. meaning that while the egyptians built the pyramids, there were another subspecies of human on the other side of the world practicing their own archaic civilization.

[Genghis Khan]

Lol. Messing with trolls is amusing.

[Death]

Feeding trolls is fun, though.

Lol. Messing with trolls is amusing.

It is, I agree. Unfortunately, it also quite literally gives them a reason to continue trolling, which does eventually get tiresome.

[TheMatrix]

a n00b troll, that ilmb is. ban them now, as to avoid more trolling later.

as for evolution: it exists

/thread

[Magus]

You're an absolute moron.
You're a fucking idiot. Ad Hominem. Directly insulting the guy is not a way to show anything. You have a bad case of superiority complex.

[CJLopez]

I just wanted to say, Science isn't ment to disprove anything. Its ment to be learned from and advance further knowledge on subjects. Its not a belief or a debate topic because its simply a theory. I do not believe in a god nor do i care to. But, however I do look at both sides of the table and understand were the weak and close minded people need something to cling to for "hope". They need a god because simply their scared of the future and of death. Humans in nature have always viewed natural occurring events (Like the sun rising) as a god. It comes to show from some of the oldest religions, Sumerian, Greek, and just plain old native area beliefs. Now here is my question that i love here and I don't really believe in but its worth it. We share a ancestor but what happened in between to make us branch off, evolutionary charts show Homo Sapiens off on its own branch missing a side change that is currently unknown.

http://i54.tinypic.com/eulirl.jpg

What makes us be smarter and branch further then neandertalensis, and what gives us 23 chromosomes unlike any animal on the face of the planet. I like the viewpoints of were genetically engineered because it seems feasible even under extreme circumstances.

Sources:
http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/handbook/basics/howmanychromosomes - Just googled for the medical info to have something to put.
http://www.urantia.org/en/urantia-book-standardized/paper-86-early-evolution-religion - Quick understanding and description of early religion. ( First and second paragraphs only)
http://www.history.com/shows/ancient-aliens - Due to my genetically engineered theory. I feel its only necessary considering humanities accomplishments so quickly with things we can't even do today easily.

[TheMatrix]

^^Not bad! And you actually posted sources! Not bad for a newbie! +1
I just disagree on one thing:
I just wanted to say, Science isn't ment to disprove anything. Its ment to be learned from and advance further knowledge on subjects. Its not a belief or a debate topic because its simply a theory.
Because it's a theory, it is to be debated about. Otherwise, it would be facts.

[RoseyCadaver]

^^Not bad! And you actually posted sources! Not bad for a newbie! +1
I just disagree on one thing:

Because it's a theory, it is to be debated about. Otherwise, it would be facts.

Well there are various facts showing that evolution is real,and I'm happy that Sage,Korashk,and Electric Nomad educated me,a scientific theory isn't the SAME FUCKING THING AS A REGULAR THEORY.You're thinking of hypothesis.Evolution can be proven,and has been.

Too many people fear that this is a slippery slope leading to not believing in a God,and you know if you don't believe in a God you're damned forever :devil: xD!


Visit this site http://www.fsteiger.com/theory.html

[Neverender]

...this world is full of liars and BS and im tired of it....

So am I. >.>

[bobby1273]

there is actually quite a lot of evidence against evolution, and evolution has yet to be proven. There is a good little 80 page book that completely rips apart evolution but i can't be bothered to dig it out to find its name. also which theory of evolution are we talking about because there are 2 main types.

Afew things though:

carbon dating has proved to be very inaccurate and the amount of C14 is affected by factors not taken into account ie - water makes the creatures age to appear older than it is

if you go by the theory that the moon was created by an astroid hitting a molten earth then life can be on older than 74million years ( calculated by the distance the moon is from the earth and the speed of it moving away etc ) and not the 3.85 billion years.

there was also a trillabite fossil found that had been a sandle imprint on it, suggesting that humans existed when trillabites did.

There is a lot more stuff i can talk about ( like K Ar dating, problems with fossil layers and a lot more). I'm not trying to change peoples opinions on this or disprove evolution but I'm just trying to show there's flaws to the current theories etc; but I'm tired right now and need to revise for exams badly.

[Death]

there is actually quite a lot of evidence against evolution, and evolution has yet to be proven.

It has been. Oh, and do you have anything better which is proven?

There is a good little 80 page book that completely rips apart evolution but i can't be bothered to dig it out to find its name.

I believe books like that have a name: "Non-factual, primitive bullshit", as I recall.

What about your own opinion? You haven't mentioned it.

[bobby1273]

as someone who likes the scientific process i leave my opinion out of the facts. Also i don't ever recall learning it to be fact, only ever a theory. As for something else that's better, theres 2 main beliefs: evolution and creationism which i would put both on an equal level as options to believe in. Theres flaws people can find in each one, i was just pointing out the flaws in the current theories/evidence for evolution

[Death]

as someone who likes the scientific process i leave my opinion out of the facts. Also i don't ever recall learning it to be fact, only ever a theory. As for something else that's better, theres 2 main beliefs: evolution and creationism which i would put both on an equal level as options to believe in. Theres flaws people can find in each one, i was just pointing out the flaws in the current theories/evidence for evolution

Creationism has no proof. Evolution does.

[bobby1273]

could you state the proof your going by please

[Death]

could you state the proof your going by please

The same proof that scientists have unearthed, researched, and refined records for, for ages. I.E. how would you explain the fossil record?

[bobby1273]

The same proof that scientists have unearthed, researched, and refined records for, for ages. I.E. how would you explain the fossil record?

that's leaving it quite open ended and by that logic of its correct because scientists have said so for along time, so you can't show the flaws in it then newtonium mechanics would still be complete and utter fact but we all know they were proven to be an approximation.

[Korashk]

there is actually quite a lot of evidence against evolution,
Like? Give some examples and I'll show you how your example is either wrong or not evidence against evolution.

and evolution has yet to be proven.
Yes it has. It's as proven as something can get outside of math.

There is a good little 80 page book that completely rips apart evolution but i can't be bothered to dig it out to find its name.
If you find the title, I bet I can find tens, if not hundreds of other books and articles debunking the criticisms.

also which theory of evolution are we talking about because there are 2 main types.
No there aren't. Evolution is evolution. Micro- and macro-evolution are just descriptors and buzzwords. They're the same concept.

carbon dating has proved to be very inaccurate and the amount of C14 is affected by factors not taken into account ie - water makes the creatures age to appear older than it is
Which is why C14 dating ISN'T used to date things over 60,000 years old. There are many other times of dating that ARE accurate.

if you go by the theory that the moon was created by an astroid hitting a molten earth then life can be on older than 74million years ( calculated by the distance the moon is from the earth and the speed of it moving away etc ) and not the 3.85 billion years.
That happens to be a hypothesis (not a theory), and after reading up on it, why can life only be 74 million years old? Nothing is mentioned about lunar drift in anything I've seen.

there was also a trillabite fossil found that had been a sandle imprint on it, suggesting that humans existed when trillabites did.
Here's your explanation. (http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC102.html)

Also i don't ever recall learning it to be fact, only ever a theory.
What the fuck do you think theories do? They explain facts, or observable phenomena.

Theres flaws people can find in each one,
The main flaw in creationism being the absolute absence of evidence.

could you state the proof your going by please
All the times (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html) we've seen (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html) it happen. (http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Microevolution#Evidences_in_the_field)

[Perseus]

You should take a gander at this (http://www.onelife.com/evolve/manev.html).

there is actually quite a lot of evidence against evolution, and evolution has yet to be proven. There is a good little 80 page book that completely rips apart evolution but i can't be bothered to dig it out to find its name. also which theory of evolution are we talking about because there are 2 main types.

Afew things though:

carbon dating has proved to be very inaccurate and the amount of C14 is affected by factors not taken into account ie - water makes the creatures age to appear older than it is

if you go by the theory that the moon was created by an astroid hitting a molten earth then life can be on older than 74million years ( calculated by the distance the moon is from the earth and the speed of it moving away etc ) and not the 3.85 billion years.

there was also a trillabite fossil found that had been a sandle imprint on it, suggesting that humans existed when trillabites did.

There is a lot more stuff i can talk about ( like K Ar dating, problems with fossil layers and a lot more). I'm not trying to change peoples opinions on this or disprove evolution but I'm just trying to show there's flaws to the current theories etc; but I'm tired right now and need to revise for exams badly.

If evolution isn't possible, as you say, then why does the evolution of man occur in such a way that it fits into the category of "evolution"?

[RoseyCadaver]

there is actually quite a lot of evidence against evolution, and evolution has yet to be proven. There is a good little 80 page book that completely rips apart evolution but i can't be bothered to dig it out to find its name. also which theory of evolution are we talking about because there are 2 main types.

Afew things though:

carbon dating has proved to be very inaccurate and the amount of C14 is affected by factors not taken into account ie - water makes the creatures age to appear older than it is

if you go by the theory that the moon was created by an astroid hitting a molten earth then life can be on older than 74million years ( calculated by the distance the moon is from the earth and the speed of it moving away etc ) and not the 3.85 billion years.

there was also a trillabite fossil found that had been a sandle imprint on it, suggesting that humans existed when trillabites did.

There is a lot more stuff i can talk about ( like K Ar dating, problems with fossil layers and a lot more). I'm not trying to change peoples opinions on this or disprove evolution but I'm just trying to show there's flaws to the current theories etc; but I'm tired right now and need to revise for exams badly.

1.Give the name of that book,I'd love to read turds :yeah:.

2.Carbon dating IS accurate ,like Korashk says,it only go back so far.

3.The trilobite thing with the sandal sounds like something off on The Land of the Lost :lol:.

[User Deleted]

Hold on, conversation pause, what happened to the OP?

[BFG9001]

there is actually quite a lot of evidence against evolution, and evolution has yet to be proven. There is a good little 80 page book that completely rips apart evolution but i can't be bothered to dig it out to find its name.
So you remember how many pages there were... but not the title? Odd.

[Black Eight]

Hold on, conversation pause, what happened to the OP?

I was reading through this thread and thinking the same exact thing.

[Neverender]

there is actually quite a lot of evidence against evolution, and evolution has yet to be proven. There is a good little 80 page book that completely rips apart evolution but i can't be bothered to dig it out to find its name. also which theory of evolution are we talking about because there are 2 main types.

Evidence against? Like a 2000 year old book?

If you don't believe in evolution, why do people get cancer? Why do people inherit genetic traits like height if not to continue the evolution of a species by weeding out bad genes? Why does 1 mexican family have 23 cases of the 50 recorded cases of Hypertrichosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypertrichosis)? Why do the people of Africa have black skin while we have white skin? Evolution. I have YET to hear a book, or a theory for that matter, that debunks it without using misunderstood concepts, refusal of scientific proof or that it's just God's Will (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_of_God)

Afew things though:

carbon dating has proved to be very inaccurate and the amount of C14 is affected by factors not taken into account ie - water makes the creatures age to appear older than it is

Carbon dating is only useful to the point when the carbon 14 has vanished. After that, it's fucking useless.

if you go by the theory that the moon was created by an astroid hitting a molten earth then life can be on older than 74million years ( calculated by the distance the moon is from the earth and the speed of it moving away etc ) and not the 3.85 billion years.

What makes it so that life can't be older? Life can live underground or what have you. In other news, lunar drift has been speeding up in the last few million years. No one knows how quickly the moon was drifting in the billion years after the event. Earth's gravity would have been playing with it, adding the later bombardment period, and a whole host of undefined factors that we're unaware of, plus ones that are variables that I would need calculus to actually calculate.


there was also a trillabite fossil found that had been a sandle imprint on it, suggesting that humans existed when trillabites did.

Sandel imprint? a crack in a rock, erosion, natural formations couldn't Possibly have made a mark in a millions of year old rock.


There is a lot more stuff i can talk about ( like K Ar dating, problems with fossil layers and a lot more). I'm not trying to change peoples opinions on this or disprove evolution but I'm just trying to show there's flaws to the current theories etc; but I'm tired right now and need to revise for exams badly.

Of course there are flaws. It's a theory. But it's the damn best thing we have so far as opposed the the creationist view which displays 0 concrete evidence outside of "It just happened".

[Death]

Evidence against? Like a 2000 year old book?

Actually, the bible dates back far further than that - which I suppose in turn makes it an even more of a pitiful excuse of an alleged "argument".

[RoseyCadaver]

I thought I'd throw in a song about the Eucharist my extremely atheist awesome friend sang to me(she was raised catholic).La la la watch this bread,la la la it's now Jesus.It helped me see how cooky some of the traditions are.Many Catholics I know believe it turns into the actual flesh of Jesus(a lot of others think it turns into his bread he made...)....I call them cannibals.Catholic are a lot nicer then some Protestants I know though.