Eugenica and survival of the fittest in 21st century

[short.dark.handsome]

Wouldn't it be a better world if every single person was utilised to the best possible way in society, so that maximum efficiency is gained for a community as a whole and that weaker members or members that hold back the community must be removed.

In developed countries welfare/benefits allows disabled/depressed/unemployed people to continue to live in their accustomed manor while being a drian on resources. These people can no longer add to the community and therefore must be culled from it?

[Amnesiac]

I'd prefer freedom to social Darwinism, even though I agree with it to an extent.

[RoseyCadaver]

Humans have evolved out of being so natural,as in death.I'm sure only 1/4 of us would be alive if we lived like our ancestors(like as in homo erectus and all the cave man fun :) ).Some extremest like Hitler wanted a perfect world without disabilities,and one of the groups of people he sent to his camps were handicapped people.Then you have some people live Steven Hawkings ,who runs on a very pricey computer ,but has found out soooo much and has helped us advance in physics and math soooo much.In a way it is all the way you look at it.

[Sage]

No thanks Goebbels. I'm fairly certain stuck-up assholes who have nothing better to do than nitpick at how their fellow human beings could be more efficient are a "waste of resources."

[short.dark.handsome]

Wow can't believe how much of an arsey bitch some people can be..... but i just wanted to start a debate. It's not as if in anyway i support any of this Eugenics and social cleansing i just think its a very interesting discussion.

Can you try not to judge me next time huh? I expect you don't like being judged either so how about you doing me the same courtesy yea Sage?

And Secretsalt, i see what you mean, we have evolved so much that we can develop mehtods to overcome handicaps and disabilities. However the fact that we keep certain faulty genes within our gene pools is almost like self annhilation no?
In another time HIV would wipe civilizations out yet today this viruses and gentic diseases are left to spread becuase we are encouraging longevity of the host/DNA

[Sage]

Can you try not to judge me next time huh? I expect you don't like being judged either so how about you doing me the same courtesy yea Sage?

On the contrary, I thrive on judgment. Suffering and inefficiency are not inherently undesirable things, and I'd argue that a society devoid of "inefficient" people would be a hell hole. Not everybody wants to add to the community, and be that good or ill, they shouldn't be forced to.

[deadpie]

No thanks Goebbels. I'm fairly certain stuck-up assholes who have nothing better to do than nitpick at how their fellow human beings could be more efficient are a "waste of resources."

This. Definitely this. This this this this this. I don't really know what to say sense Sage has already said it already and straight to the point, in which I would try to explain this in ten pages worth of tl;dr and grammar errors.


And people don't have to 'contribute' to society if they don't want to. Actually, I don't really see a point in everyone contributing as much as possible. Sure, you could bring along peace and tolerance, but after that what really is there to contribute? Sharing oil until it runs out? Forcing people to work in hospitals to save others lives? I don't know. I just don't know where it would all really go after a while. It's kind of like that type of, "Now what" situation that you would stumble upon, then everything would go straight back down to the gutter.

[RoseyCadaver]

Some people want to try gene splicing to fix people with disabilities before they're born(as in they have found a gene which would lead to this and such and such),but we've tried fixing plants by mixing genes and making GMO's*Genetically Modified Organism*look how good that turned out :rolleyes:.We should just let humans be and evolve on our own,no need to start culling us :).

[Continuum]

However the fact that we keep certain faulty genes within our gene pools is almost like self annhilation no?


Nature has her own ways of getting around of things. Even without the intervention of Humanity, passive elements like malfuctional genes and flaws that only a select few have wouldn't be much of a threat to the species as a whole. Because of that, micromanagement of the current human population is unnecessary.

[Bimmerhead]

Wouldn't it be a better world if every single person was utilised to the best possible way in society, so that maximum efficiency is gained for a community as a whole and that weaker members or members that hold back the community must be removed.

In developed countries welfare/benefits allows disabled/depressed/unemployed people to continue to live in their accustomed manor while being a drian on resources. These people can no longer add to the community and therefore must be culled from it?
what you are proposing

[Continuum]

what you are proposing

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[chazzrox2]

To an extent i think genetic engineering to get rid of those crippling inherited disorders is a good idea obv. but nobody should be "removed" or w/e just to make society better, we have a duty to look after those who cannot do it for themselves. The good thing about is affluence is that you can give it away.
But then that is what I'm trying do for a living lol

Social cleansing is more or less what you're suggesting which i might say is rather wrong, altho i get that you don't actually support it dw.

[Korashk]

OP, people like you give eugenics a bad name.

[huginnmuninn]

i think that if people let certain people die rather than help them mankind might evolve to a new level but if we do that then arent we getting rid of some of the best aspects of humankind?

[Tristin.]

while i think that some people rely on benefits way too much and that they should be scaled right back, i hardly want to kill them all.

in order to improve these people to the #2best of their abbilities" surely the est of society, should be used to help these people out of their situation?

if we break the cycle of poverty, educate and help, then these people you wish removed will be, not by a holocaust but through society using its best abilities

and the whole genetic engineering thing? awefully scifi much?
i suppose you would class premature babies as defective?
hell, while your at it, cull the homosexual population, they do not make children therefore are of no benefit to your society are they?