Executing the Mentally Ill

[ShyGuyInChicago]

For those who are in favor of capital punishment, though anyone may answer, do you think it is acceptable to execute a mentally ill person and/or a person who was mentally ill at the time they committed the crime they were convicted of?

[TheMatrix]

depends on the crime

[TheSleepingInsomniac]

Can it be proved their mental illness is the cause of the crime?

[Tristin.]

can the illness be treated? were they aware of commiting the crime? all these things come into the decision

[TuRdz]

Capital Punishment should be brought back for very severe felonies. Serial killings, rape, torture, etc.

It should be made as painful as possible. The attacker should feel what they were doing to their victim(s). Nothing's too bad for them.

Mentally ill appeals though need to be investigated. They should have a medical history check up before being put to sleep. Some just confess because of paranoia and anxiety. Poor people :(

[embers]

Capital Punishment should be brought back for very severe felonies. Serial killings, rape, torture, etc.

It should be made as painful as possible. The attacker should feel what they were doing to their victim(s). Nothing's too bad for them.

Because every killer and rapist feels no remorse for their crimes. Makes so much sense.

[Dimitri]

I think they would need to be proven that their illness caused the problem and they they should be made to mandatory go throug rehab.

[Death]

Capital Punishment should be brought back for very severe felonies. Serial killings, rape, torture, etc.

It should be made as painful as possible. The attacker should feel what they were doing to their victim(s). Nothing's too bad for them.

Wow. Just wow. No wonder you have negative rep.

[Amnesiac]

Capital Punishment should be brought back for very severe felonies. Serial killings, rape, torture, etc.

It should be made as painful as possible. The attacker should feel what they were doing to their victim(s). Nothing's too bad for them.

People like yourself are exactly why we leave the judicial process to people who understand the process of fair and sane punishment, as well as the 8th amendment.

[deadpie]

Executing the mentally ill? The dumbest thing I've ever heard. Most of them don't even think they did anything wrong. Some were 'told' to do these crimes by voices. Can they be responsible then? It's also an illness. ILLNESS. If they don't understand why their responsible and they literally feel like it was for a greater good, then they don't understand the difference between right and wrong, which makes them uncountable for what they did.

Don't kill sick people that aren't responsible for their problems. That's so fucking dumb. Would you kill a cancer patient if their cancer got passed onto one of their children? NO.

[Hyper]

Most convicts on death row or life sentences have some kind of mental illness anyway so tbh it is irrelevant as long as there is a capital punishment.

[deadpie]

Most convicts on death row or life sentences have some kind of mental illness anyway so tbh it is irrelevant as long as there is a capital punishment.

Well, the court will say they don't have one according to whoever interviews them or whatever bs. So yes, it is relevant. We're killing people who don't even know they did anything wrong. How is that punishment? How is that fair in anyway?

[Blake1994]

Capital Punishment should be brought back for very severe felonies. Serial killings, rape, torture, etc.

It should be made as painful as possible. The attacker should feel what they were doing to their victim(s). Nothing's too bad for them.

Agreed. They weren't mentally ill enough to actually commit the crime, so they should pay the price.

[TuRdz]

Because every killer and rapist feels no remorse for their crimes. Makes so much sense.

Wow. Just wow. No wonder you have negative rep.

You're the one who handed me the negative rep for having my own opinions. Stop raging...

People like yourself are exactly why we leave the judicial process to people who understand the process of fair and sane punishment, as well as the 8th amendment.

Look, you people have completely misinterpreted what I was trying to say. I never once stated that it should be legal to execute the mentally ill, I said, "capital punishment should be dealt to those who commit multiple felonies" <<along those lines.

Then I said, those who plead to be mentally ill need to have a medical record to say they're actually "ill". I said this because I think it is completely fucked how a serial killer can plead insanity and go to rehab, only to be released when they're pronounced "sane". They were never "insane" in the first place.

Plus, I'm drawing this argument from what I heard happened to "Dnepropetrovsk Maniacs". You heard of them? Does "Three Guys, One Hammer" ring any bells? They killed and tortured people and animals for amusement, capturing their acts on film and camera to post online. They were later found guilty and sentenced to life inprisonment. 25 fucking years of no taxes, no job, nothing to worry about other than the inmates. They deserve this luxury do they? After brutally murdering 21 innocent victims?

Fuck you all, honestly. When they get out of prison, they'll be exactly the same. How would you fucking feel if someone close to you died at the hands of this monstrosity? I'm sure (judging by your comments/replies) that you'd be fine with it, wouldn't you? You'd say "Oh, it's fine, I'm sure you guys had good reason for it too, so it's all good". And you call me pathetic? Hah.

There have been much worst crimes than these and people have gotten away with it. Take Brazil as an example. Massacres occur almost on a daily basis (whole families murdered). They're not caught by police because the system there is terrible and gangs and other forms of crime thrive. When they are caught, they're released the next year because the fucking justice system fails. Then they're back to doing what they were doing before...I say, kill them before they kill anyone else.

btw, negative rep the shit out of this if you somehow don't agree.:mad:

[TuRdz]

Would you kill a cancer patient if their cancer got passed onto one of their children? NO.

Cancer isn't contagious.

[deadpie]

Cancer isn't contagious.

Ok, then Diabetes.

[TuRdz]

Ok, then Diabetes.

Lol..?

[Death]

You're the one who handed me the negative rep for having my own opinions. Stop raging...

Except I didn't negrep you. So are you a troll or what?

Lol..?

I'll take that as a yes.

[embers]

Look, you people have completely misinterpreted what I was trying to say. I never once stated that it should be legal to execute the mentally ill, I said, "capital punishment should be dealt to those who commit multiple felonies" <<along those lines.

Then I said, those who plead to be mentally ill need to have a medical record to say they're actually "ill". I said this because I think it is completely fucked how a serial killer can plead insanity and go to rehab, only to be released when they're pronounced "sane". They were never "insane" in the first place.

Plus, I'm drawing this argument from what I heard happened to "Dnepropetrovsk Maniacs". You heard of them? Does "Three Guys, One Hammer" ring any bells? They killed and tortured people and animals for amusement, capturing their acts on film and camera to post online. They were later found guilty and sentenced to life inprisonment. 25 fucking years of no taxes, no job, nothing to worry about other than the inmates. They deserve this luxury do they? After brutally murdering 21 innocent victims?

Fuck you all, honestly. When they get out of prison, they'll be exactly the same. How would you fucking feel if someone close to you died at the hands of this monstrosity? I'm sure (judging by your comments/replies) that you'd be fine with it, wouldn't you? You'd say "Oh, it's fine, I'm sure you guys had good reason for it too, so it's all good". And you call me pathetic? Hah.

There have been much worst crimes than these and people have gotten away with it. Take Brazil as an example. Massacres occur almost on a daily basis (whole families murdered). They're not caught by police because the system there is terrible and gangs and other forms of crime thrive. When they are caught, they're released the next year because the fucking justice system fails. Then they're back to doing what they were doing before...I say, kill them before they kill anyone else.

btw, negative rep the shit out of this if you somehow don't agree.:mad:

So killing them is a much more sensible thing than the better alternatives? I say increase the life sentence, it's so pussy right now, or sentence people to multiple life sentences.

And for the record, no, I wouldn't wish death on anyone, even if they may have killed my family. However, that doesn't mean I'd idolise them, which is the only alternative that you imply exists. I don't agree with the length of a life sentence.

[Nevermore]

If it's mental illness I think they should be locked in an institution for their crime. I'm not one to think death s the answer.

[Crocbait230]

In general No.
But in specific situations definitely.
I think the guy who shot that senator should be put away
I mean really he went so far to go to a gun shop and get a specialized clip for his pistol which lets him hold twice as many bullets as a normal clip would allow.
obviously premeditated...

[TuRdz]

So killing them is a much more sensible thing than the better alternatives? I say increase the life sentence, it's so pussy right now, or sentence people to multiple life sentences.

And for the record, no, I wouldn't wish death on anyone, even if they may have killed my family. However, that doesn't mean I'd idolise them, which is the only alternative that you imply exists. I don't agree with the length of a life sentence.

Okay, perhaps a couple of life sentences would work. But I find it's a waste of the taxpayer's money. When I'm older, I don't want to be paying the government to house and feed murderers. It'd be better for everyone if they're just given the death penalty.

Except I didn't negrep you. So are you a troll or what?



I'll take that as a yes.

^^Relevance? Do you know what a troll is? :what:

[Death]

Okay, perhaps a couple of life sentences would work. But I find it's a waste of the taxpayer's money. When I'm older, I don't want to be paying the government to house and feed murderers. It'd be better for everyone if they're just given the death penalty.

Why the fuck are you talking about the death penalty here? I've already beaten down the idea in the other thread. Suffice to say, how many innocents must die who could have been released and compensated before you realise how monstrous this is? I'm going to (somewhat) quote Donkey:

"You want to kill people who kill to show people that killing is wrong." Basically, you're a hypocrite.

^^Relevance? Do you know what a troll is? :what:

Somebody who does bad things like post stupid shit like you just have. You assumed that the ngeprep you got was mine even though I never gave you any. Not only that, but you're not supposed to mention names anyway. Suffice to say, most of the things you say are just unnecessary and unhelpful.

[TuRdz]

Why the fuck are you talking about the death penalty here? I've already beaten down the idea in the other thread. Sufficeto say, how many innocents must die who could have been released and compensated before you realise how monstrous this is? I'm going to (somewhat) quote Donkey:

"You want to kill people who kill to show people that killing is wrong." Basically, you're a hypocrite.



Somebody who does bad things like post stupid shit like you just have. You assumed that the ngeprep you got was mine even though I never gave you any. Not only that, but you're not supposed to mention names anyway. Suffice to say, most of the things you say are just unnecessary and unhelpful.

There's that word again, "Suffice".
I'm not stupid, I know it was you. :P And no, a troll is someone who will post something to get a reaction for entertainment purposes. I'm not being entertained by your replies at all. I am more enraged by your immaturity and disregard to opinions you don't believe in. Just "consider" them, I'm not trying to persuade anyone, I just wanted to speak my mind. Apparently I can't do that without being swooped by the forum patrol squad.

Hypocritical, I know. Just giving you a taste of your own medicine.

[Death]

There's that word again, "Suffice".
I'm not stupid, I know it was you. :P And no, a troll is someone who will post something to get a reaction for entertainment purposes. I'm not being entertained by your replies at all. I am more enraged by your immaturity and disregard to opinions you don't believe in. Just "consider" them, I'm not trying to persuade anyone, I just wanted to speak my mind. Apparently I can't do that without being swooped by the forum patrol squad.

Hypocritical, I know. Just giving you a taste of your own medicine.

And yet I can probably say the same about you, and I'm obviously not trying to entertain you. Do you have a problem with the fact that I don't agree with you?

[Malcolm Tucker]

All right everyone calm down and get back on topic NOW. Any more personal squabbles can be taken to PM please

[Zazu]

Disregard this post.

Too tired when posted. Something with more content tomorrow.

[deadpie]

How is killing sick and mentally ill people rational in any way? You rehabilitate them, put them in an institution for help. Of course most don't come out, but at least they have the possibility of eventually becoming sane and whatnot. I'm also a man that believes in second and third chances.

That's just like not even trying when you just decide, "They're sick and the head, so I guess we should just kill them." Fuck that shit. You're as sick as them if that's how you think of people; that they're not worth being saved.

[Continuum]

Okay, perhaps a couple of life sentences would work. But I find it's a waste of the taxpayer's money. When I'm older, I don't want to be paying the government to house and feed murderers. It'd be better for everyone if they're just given the death penalty.


Fun Fact: Death Sentences aren't even as cheap compared to providing lifetime subsistence and shelter for prisoners. (http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty) Also, I don't pay taxes. Fuck the government.

If you think all it takes is a bullet, a noose, or a syringe filled with lethal compounds to erase people for their past crimes, think again. Also, do you know how barbaric and impractical your strong adherence to Capital Punishment is? Talionic Justice is outdated, inhumane and already condemned by most democratic institutions. It's just as cruel to destroy lives of criminals who committed several felonies before, just for the heck of retaliation and serving the cruel justice nobody truly deserves, especially when it comes to the mentally ill.

[Jess]

If it's mental illness I think they should be locked in an institution for their crime. I'm not one to think death s the answer.

this. I am definitely against executing someone that is mentally ill