Can Women have it all?

[Dante]

There is a raging debate going on and it is about Women.

Do you think Women could be great mothers and also have a successful career?

[Kathryn Ann]

Of course, they can.
Men have been successful fathers/husbands and still maintained a successful career for years.
Why couldn't women?

[Dante]

I think why it is such a big deal is because Women are the primary caregivers in a household and they do want to be close to their children and also want the careers, but the truth is, huge sacrifices will be made! either the mother is so busy with work, they miss key parts of their childs development, or they are home all the time, stressed of rasiing a child, missing the work force. Especially since most families rely on a 2 parent income.

[Hyper]

I dont see any debate realy.. Common sense says yes.. The only reason women are underpayd is because there are alot of those women who dont mind working for a lower pay if they have a husband... But it's still wrong ;P hmm and Dantes no.. It all depends on what job does the person have.. But mostly it could end up being as you described :(

[Dante]

There is always a divide in this situation. Look at Elizabeth Vargas of ABC news, she was co-anchor of the ABC evening news, whens he found out she was pregnant, she decided to step down because she wanted to spend time with her new baby, she also felt that she was neglecting her 3 year old son.

[Underage_Thinker]

It all depends on the age of the child and the type of job. If the child is say 1 i believe the mother should spend a significant time with the child. That doesn't mean the mother can't have a job, just not your usual 9 to 5 one. There are many number of ways to work from home in any number of career fields.

[cmpcmp]

the only reason women are under payed is because there are a lot of those women who don't mind working for a lower pay if they have a husband... But it's still wrong

(Note: all stats and info is on the US)

Are women really under paid? well the answer is convoluted, If you were to go and see what jobs they are working and see if the women of the men were getting paid more, they say its something like 70/100 (so iv heard). But none of these studies that do this research account for some very important factors.

-past experience
-training
-seniority (how long you have been working there)
-and other things

All of these things influence how much people are paid, like how teachers with a masters degree get paid more than those with out one, or in the same case, how teachers get paid more if they have worked at that school for longer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_pay#Gender_Wage_Equity_in_the_United_States

read "choice theory"

in essence is says that because a woman is more likely than a man to take a break form their careerer, or start one late, or end one early, this makes all of the above factors come into play and causes their pay to be less, but infarct equal to the amount that a man who had the same amount of work would have gotten.

[The Resurrected One]

My momma is living with me without my pappa, so it's only us 2, and she is...unemployed.

[Hyper]

(Note: all stats and info is on the US)

Are women really under paid? well the answer is convoluted, If you were to go and see what jobs they are working and see if the women of the men were getting paid more, they say its something like 70/100 (so iv heard). But none of these studies that do this research account for some very important factors.

-past experience
-training
-seniority (how long you have been working there)
-and other things

All of these things influence how much people are paid, like how teachers with a masters degree get paid more than those with out one, or in the same case, how teachers get paid more if they have worked at that school for longer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_pay#Gender_Wage_Equity_in_the_United_States

read "choice theory"

in essence is says that because a woman is more likely than a man to take a break form their careerer, or start one late, or end one early, this makes all of the above factors come into play and causes their pay to be less, but infarct equal to the amount that a man who had the same amount of work would have gotten.


Hmm that is quite wrong.. Non of those things count in reality.. Most companies want 1 thing.. PROFIT! Now I dont know about the US or rest of the world but I am pretty much sure its the same everywhere.. In my homecountry they did a survey on people who asked for a raise..

2/3 Men got a raise

1/3 Women did

But yes in some fields expierince does matter to surten companies but a person who has expierince hasnt necessarily worked at a place for 10 years.. And the point is in here atleast and im sure in most places.. The pay is already unequal from the start.. And even if 1 man and 1 woman would have the exact same ''record'' of education and expierince and the exact same job.. The man would get paid more

[cmpcmp]

Hmm that is quite wrong.. Non of those things count in reality.. Most companies want 1 thing.. PROFIT! Now I dont know about the US or rest of the world but I am pretty much sure its the same everywhere.. In my homecountry they did a survey on people who asked for a raise..

2/3 Men got a raise

1/3 Women did

But yes in some fields expierince does matter to surten companies but a person who has expierince hasnt necessarily worked at a place for 10 years.. And the point is in here atleast and im sure in most places.. The pay is already unequal from the start.. And even if 1 man and 1 woman would have the exact same ''record'' of education and expierince and the exact same job.. The man would get paid more

First off your argument is contradictors as you start by saying that I am "quite wrong" and then end with saying that in some fields experience does matter. Also I consider "time at company" and "experience" to be untumately tied, but also different as you say.

im sure in most places.. The pay is already unequal from the start..

Making assumptions that the pay is already unequal (as you say above) as a constant variable in a problem isn't the way to go about it, as my question was to asses whether it was a factor or not. (kind of like using a word to define itself)


Non of those things count in reality... companies care about profit
(referring to my "factors")

Yes companies care about profit, but that doesn't mean that they don't pay their workers that are better qualified less. This strive for profit means that they want better (may it me higher quality or cheaper) products and or services, and thus they want better workers to do these jobs. If there are multiple companies that would like a worker, because that worker happens to be more qualified, this causes competition over this worker which ends up in that worker ultimately getting paid more.

How much you are paid is tied directly in to the factors that I have listed and I know for a fact that they do with certain professions. The best example of this that I can think of is that my history teacher told me that because he has a masters degree he gets paid more annually and also that because he has worked at the school for a while he also gets a pay increase form that. The same is also true for public schools (he taught public school in Montana)

Hence how lawyers get paid more than clerks, the lawyer had to go to law school for many years and also pass rigorous exams, the clerk did not.

http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=129383

I think that both of us in essence are hoping for the same thing. A world where if a man and a woman both tried to get the same job, instead of their gender, they would instead be judged by their ability to do the job and all that it entails.

[RowanVer.3.0]

Not really. You can't be both, sure.. You can be an okay mother and have an okay career... But, there's always going to be another woman that's either an exquisite mother or who holds an exquisite career. Basically, if you do something full time, you're going to succeed at it more.

[Ratchet]

Women can be anything since they use more common since than guys. But there emotions keep them from doing many great things.

[cmpcmp]

As sexist or what ever as this may be, i agree with Ratchet.
in my experience (i have 3 sisters and a mom)
-woman are more "rational" and tend to make less in the moment situations that could be bad, like deciding that they want to punch someone.
-Guys, while being less rational at in the moment decisions seem to be more decisive and logical when they haven't clouded their judgment with things like anger and revenge.

Some things that I have seen women do make no sense on any kind of emotional level that I understand. But perhaps it is the same way the other way around

not better or worse, different

[DestroyTheFuture]

I think women can do exactly what men can...but...


I think with Hillary Clinton running for president, that she ight not get voted in because she is a woman. Not sexist or anything, but being the first female president in America's history during a war is a lot of weight on your shoulders. Also, again, not trying to be sexist, but women are looked at to be weak many times and America may be seen as a weaker country because a woman is essentially the most powerful person in the US. If a woman can do a good job as president, then i dont see why she couldnt take the Oath of Office.


i hope you guys see what i mean though.

[Ethannnnnn]

well yeah women are capable of doing whatever they want most times they are better at things then men