Iran and nuclear weapons

[nwshc]

:idea: :arrow: Just a quick little tidbit.

Iran is going to start makeing nuclear weapons and they will nto listen to anyone. The big three in Europe have been trying to make a deal with Iran. That has failed and will continue to fail. The United States is trying to reason with them. That, so far, is failing. Rumor buzzing around is that if they do start/and make nuclear weapons, we will go to war with them.

If Iran does follow through and make the weapons, should we (United States, The big three, whoever) go to war with them?

[maximan]

No.

1. Maybe, if other countries backed us up
2. Do we really need ANOTHER war?
3. My mom's side of the family lives in Iran...the people of iran are great people, its just the governments are asswipes. The people hate the government, but they can't revolt, because then they get arrested...

[Φρανκομβριτ]

war brings nothing good. What's the point of making another? We don't need another world war!

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

the united nations will back us up this time

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

No.
3. My mom's side of the family lives in Iran...the people of iran are great people, its just the governments are asswipes. The people hate the government, but they can't revolt, because then they get arrested...

exactly, so we should go to war to get rid of the nukes, and liberate the people just like in iraq. cept weel have more help this time

[Whisper]

First of all correct me if I'm worng (to be honest i've lost track of all the countrys america wants to go to war with lattly) but isn't it North Korea thats making weapons grade plutonium?


the united nations will back us up this time

LMFAO!! Dou't full I honestly didn't think it was possible but Bush has made americas reputation even worse. He completly defied the UN without any thought befor and he threatens other countrys on a daily basis.

Nooo nooo I highly dou't the UN will back you up.

But it dosen't matter really anyway your deficit is waaaaay to big and this war has already cost you billions.....I honestly dou't you could afford another war unless they actually attacked you at which point yes the UN meaning every member country of the UN would step in and help america crush them but thats unlickly to happen.



Besides there are many countrys including america that have nukes yet when anyone else gets them you do that whole "how dare you!" thing. Heres a thought why don't you get rid of your nukes I mean honestly you'd still have enough millitary power and normal bombs n missiles to flatten the planet if you wanted. Whats it matter? You can blow earth all to hell once instead of twice which is a lil over kill cause the planets already gone cause you already blew it up......Exactly.

If other countrys can't have nukes then i don't think america er any other country should either.
Canada dosen't have them were doin fine.
I'm not saying dismantal your whole millitary JUST the nukes.

America didn't even blow the biggest nuke up the soviets did when they tested a nuclear bomb nicknamed "tzar" (the soviet union never was very accurate like america so they compincated by just blowing the crap out of everything)so its not like its sum ego thing

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

congratulations, if you actually were aware of current affairs you would know that it wasnt even the US who reccommended beinging UN sacntions against Iran. the united nations is trying to get Iran back into the disarmament talks, but they defy them and say they will enrich uranium anyways. the un will diffenately back us up beacuse its the countries in it who are all threatening iran if they dont stop what they said they werent going to do anyways. oh and about the nukes thing, every first world country has them, and i dont see anyone complaining about it. they only time people complain is what some shithole unstable thirdworld country gets them with intent to use them. you dont think we could support another war? congress just passed an 81 billion dollar spending bill to support war efforts. they passed it like it was nothing -- voting 100 to 0. oh we can support it alright, and we will probably go to war along with britain and everyone else in the un if iran doesnt stop being a douche

[Whisper]

You DUMBASS congress dosnen't even read a quarter of the bills it passes they admit that themselves!
I find it funny how you will spend "81 BILLION" to MURDER people and "not think twice" but you can't spend that to help provide food, medical supplys, education, clean drinking water and shelter to 3rd world countrys like africa.....Typical.....Fuckin american goverment!

Where the majority of the worlds population is

America is only 5% of the total world population but it consumes over 55% of the profit and recourses no to mention its ONE of the major contributors to global warming caused by CO2 saturation (which will happen in 50yrs its to late to stop it)

[Ravenous]

The war on iraq was illegal, bush (and blair) knew that, but did it anyway, the united nations arent gonna be too pleased with them. Not another war please.

[Anonymous]

the only reason we went to iraq was to steal their oil because were depleting our reserves, instead of spending the money and svaing the lives for mor euseful things like getting alternative fuel sources, or helping the nation. the u.s. is really fucked up now, tere are many things that the worl could end in, nukes, fire, ice, but the end apparantly will be bush.

[nwshc]

the only reason we went to iraq was to steal their oil because were depleting our reserves, instead of spending the money and svaing the lives for mor euseful things like getting alternative fuel sources, or helping the nation. the u.s. is really fucked up now, tere are many things that the worl could end in, nukes, fire, ice, but the end apparantly will be bush.

ARE YOU FUCKING SHITTEN ME?!?! OIL?!?! You shouldnt be on this forum becuase you really have no clue what is going on in the world or even the United States for that matter. If you knew anything, you would know that we didnt go to war for oil. Actually, Iraq is exporting less oil than they ever have before. So what does that tell you.

[nwshc]

You DUMBASS congress dosnen't even read a quarter of the bills it passes they admit that themselves!
I find it funny how you will spend "81 BILLION" to MURDER people and "not think twice" but you can't spend that to help provide food, medical supplys, education, clean drinking water and shelter to 3rd world countrys like africa.....Typical.....Fuckin american goverment!

Where the majority of the worlds population is

America is only 5% of the total world population but it consumes over 55% of the profit and recourses no to mention its ONE of the major contributors to global warming caused by CO2 saturation (which will happen in 50yrs its to late to stop it)

First, why the hell would congress admit that? They wouldnt.
Second, its not murder. So do you think killing terrorists that have already murdered thousands themselves is murder? I think now. Would you rather have the U.S. not go to war and then all of these terrorists at large? I bet you that if we didnt go to war, then there would have been terrorist attacks coming out of our ears. If we didnt go to war, mabey you would be dead right now along with thousands of others. Did you ever think of that? The U.S. and Britain have made the world a safer place no matter what you say.

[Ravenous]

the u.s. is really fucked up

Couldnt agree with you more.

[nwshc]

No, its not. We are all fine and dandy here. Its just that people think because of the war, we are going down the drain. Please. We are in alot better shape than a majority of the other countrys. (i wish the dollar would go up tho :( )

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

I find it funny how you will spend "81 BILLION" to MURDER people and "not think twice" but you can't spend that to help provide food, medical supplys, education, clean drinking water and shelter to 3rd world countrys like africa.....Typical.....Fuckin american goverment!


HAHAHAHAHAhahahahahaha. You know that part of that 81 billion dollars went straight to Tsunami relief, dont you? You know whats also typical of the american government? being the only one who fucking gives a damn about anyone else. when was the last time britain or anyone was the leading doner of aid in the world? fuck i have to go to school but when i get home ill post a graph that shows how we contribute more money and supplies to foreign countries than you could ever imagine. tata

[Anonymous]

nwshc, just think about it, they didnt have any wmd, we didnt get bin laden, all we did was get some dictator and the country is still doing poorly. the iraqis burned their oi wells as we came because we had stolen the wells they hadnt burned. oil is ver valuable now, because the world supply is running low. out country is extremely fucked up. the brits couldve handled them, if they ever became a big enough problem that it was needed. we wasted so much money on a pointless war, wasted so many lives, and for what? our country doesnt give a shit about anything but itself. the government is corrup. stelaing oil is an obvious reason for going if you consider how the u.s. doesnt give a shit about anything but itself.

[serial-thrilla]

yeah thats what america needs. cuz another war would just make their world reputation so much better then it already is :?

[nwshc]

WE DIDNT GO TO WAR FOR OIL!!! Jesus Christ. How many times do i have to say it? Our country is fuck up aeh. If its so fucked up, then why are we number one? I dont see riots in the streets or extream poverty? I dont know what you see ( must not beable to) but our country is just good as it has been.

What did we "waste" all of these lives for? Well we "wasted" them trying to get rid of a dictator. To liberate millions of Iraqies that lived in fear. And also we "wasted" their lives cuz eventualy Saddam was going do do something. He was going to pull something off and if we didnt take care of it now, then millions of others might of died.

Ok, mabey he wasnt going to pull off anything on us. Would you really want him to have WMDs? I think not.

How do we not care about anything than ourselves. I will bet you so much that we are one of the major contributors for aid and money in the world. Who was one of the countrys that donated the most, governmentaly and privately, to the people in India and where the Tsunami hit? The United States of America.

Next point. How the fuck is our government corrupt??? ITS NOT!!!

One last point. If you dont like it here, if you hate this country so much, THEN GET OUT!!! Its people like you that want everything to fail, but it isnt working.

I suggest next time you post, acctualy try and have a clue about what you are talkjing about. Cuz you odviously dont no shit.

Im done :)

[Anonymous]

you obviously odnt know shit, and the only reaosn im her eis because i was born here and because we have rights, but i seriously think you need to get your head unstuck from your ass.

[nwshc]

I DONT KNOW SHIT?? your the one ova here "o we went to war because of the oil blah blha blah" I seriously doubt that you are a "genius".

The only reason you have right is because that so called "chimp" is protecting them for you. Duh!!. No but you are to stupid to realize that. Thos men over in iraq are protecting your rights. You must be to stupid to recognize that too.

[Anonymous]

lol, tell me, what wmd did we find? and tell me, have you ever watched a liberal news channel like bbc world news? have you done some research on the internet? have you read any articles from countries other than the us? have you ever seen any documentaries and independnt films of whats happening there? have you ever noticed how much poverty there is in this country, how many people are homeless, how many problems we have? we cnat even handle what we have, and then we go over there theyre still deing shitty, they still live in fear, you my friend have you head stuck up your ass.

[nwshc]

Let me guess, by documentarys and independent films, do you mean Farenhight 9/11? Hahahahaa. Thats a funny one. Micheal Moore, thats a sly one. Anyways, do you know how much propeganda is on that film? Its not even funny.
The BBC. Thats a funny one too. Hahaha. And let me guess. All the articals you reed are from the LA Times right?? Hahaha. Your a funny one kid.

Ok, we didnt find any WMD. Wow, big fucking deal. We suspected them of having them. And becuase we suspected them, we went to war. And we had every right to suspect it. Did he let in UN officals? No, saddam did not. So why wouldnt we???
Poverty? Homeless? There is a problem with the homeless and poverty in every country in the world. So to say our country has problems and is corrupt is just idiotic.

What the media never shows is all of the good things that happen in iraq. Do you know why? BECAUSE ITS NOT INTERESTING!! At this very moment power, water, and sewer lines are being built and working. Construction will take a while. Its not an instent thing. Its not like "whammo" and iraq is rebuilt and everything.

So now im saying, if you dont like the us and what it is doing, Go to mexico or cuba or russia. I bet you will love it there.

[Anonymous]

not farenheight 9/11, try watching something made in other countries, american tv etc doesnt ell the whole truth. you saying that this country doesnt have major problems makes me believe that you have your hole body up your ass.

[nwshc]

And the other countrys do?? Like the bbc tells the truth?? The la times?? Please kid dont make me laugh.

Ut oh

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

[nwshc]

you saying that this country doesnt have major problems makes me believe that you have your hole body up your ass.

Physicaly impossable.

HAHAHAHAHA your too funny

[Anonymous]

the bbc doesnt care about us, they dont care if thye ruin our image, they tell the turth, it is one of the most liberal news broadcasts there is.

[nwshc]

THE BBC TELLS THE TRUTH?? wow you are funnier and funnier everytime you post.

[Anonymous]

i give up, no point talking to an idiot with his head up his ass.

[nwshc]

your right, there is no point in debating with you.

[Anonymous]

lol, thta comebcak is so old

[nwshc]

You havent left the country yet?

[Φρανκομβριτ]

ok, enough bickering, or I'll have to put you too in seperate rooms

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. i just came back from school and read all the posts since i was gone.

Conclusion: nwshc showed off his intelligence while popo made a fool of himself.

Go USA! :D

[nwshc]

Thats right!!!!

[serial-thrilla]

i think its ridiculas that anyone even thinks about going to war again. you dont just go to war with countries when you feel like it.

[nwshc]

Do you think Bush has a bingo wheel and all of the balls have the names of countries, and whatever one falls out we go to war with them? Its becuase the country, whatever one it may be, is a reckless country and will do what ever and not listen to the UN ect. Thats why.

[serial-thrilla]

as far as i know iran hasent really done anything.

[nwshc]

So if Iran starts to make nukes, then you would be fine with that?

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

you should really start watching/reading/hearing/being aware of the news :)

[nwshc]

Iran is saying that they will make nukes, and screw anyone who thinks otherwize. Despite the Big three and the US, they still arnt listing. They are pretty much saying "Fuck You".

[serial-thrilla]

well you dont have to bomb the shit out of iran like in iraq. but if thats the case i agree they should be stopped.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

ya and its not like their just saying fuck you to the US, theyre saying fuck you to all of the United Nations. and just wait, the un will respond

[serial-thrilla]

the un is never for war unless its absoulutly nessisary

[nwshc]

well you dont have to bomb the shit out of iran like in iraq. but if thats the case i agree they should be stopped.

Your right, you dont. But you cant ignore a threat like that.

[serial-thrilla]

i agree that you have to stop them without harming innocent people.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

yes, if only the world were like that :(

what we try to do is harm as little inoocent people as possible

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

North Korea said Wednesday it had taken steps that could allow it to harvest more plutonium for atomic bombs and that it would bolster its arsenal, the communist country's latest provocation amid deadlocked talks over its nuclear program.

what will the world do?

[serial-thrilla]

i dont think korea will use them. im not sure why i just cant see it happening.

[Φρανκομβριτ]

Wasn't the war on Iraq?

[Anonymous]

To answer the original question, yes we should. I do think the UN will back us this time, but that does not matter to me. All you carebears who are like "No we can't, war doesn't help anyone!" are just asking for another 9/11 and I think I can safetly say we don't want another one of those.

[Ravenous]

But isnt another war worse than another 9/11

Sorry i messed that up, i edited it so it makes more sense

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

yes, thats why going to war is better than sitting around and waiting for a 911 to happen again. its exactly what ekia said :)

[Anonymous]

i agree that you have to stop them without harming innocent people.

well we dint give a shit about innocents in iraq, doing lthings like sniping people who were just carryign a sack of potatoes they found to a neigbors house, trying to help each other.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

hahhaha your so funny. how do you know americas goal is to snipe potatoe sack carriers? thats the dumbest thing ever. no wait, next post your bound to say something even more stupid

[nwshc]

i agree that you have to stop them without harming innocent people.

well we dint give a shit about innocents in iraq, doing lthings like sniping people who were just carryign a sack of potatoes they found to a neigbors house, trying to help each other.

Wow, you really are a stupid fuck. Where did you get that info? I bet you just pulled that out of your ass. The soldiers are normal humans. They have hearts. They would never kill someone just to look at their brains all over the place.

[Anonymous]

they are so prejudice against the iraqis that they didnt bother to check what was in the sack, and they shot down that one guy, they did that stuff quite a bit, and its really making your point bigger to say i pulled his outta my ass isnt it, feel like a big boy now?

[serial-thrilla]

i agree that you have to stop them without harming innocent people.

well we dint give a shit about innocents in iraq, doing lthings like sniping people who were just carryign a sack of potatoes they found to a neigbors house, trying to help each other.

Wow, you really are a stupid fuck. Where did you get that info? I bet you just pulled that out of your ass. The soldiers are normal humans. They have hearts. They would never kill someone just to look at their brains all over the place. might i remind you of the american soilders torturing and taking naked pictures of iraqi prisinors? that was just terrible. im not saying they all are like that but i hope those responsible are killed.

[nwshc]

Well no one has ever heard of someone shooting an iraqie with potatoes on their head.

[quote]and its really making your point bigger to say i pulled his outta my ass isnt it, feel like a big boy now?[quote]

No i dont. Un like you, i am a teen and i know what i am talking about

[Anonymous]

potatoes on his head? ok this is just pointless now. i can tell you arent even considering naything im sayig.

[nwshc]

It could have been potatoes on his head. Who the fuck cares. The point is, that it never happened. Did you here that on the news?? No, nothing like that was ever on the news.

I dont even need to concider your propeganda.

[Anonymous]

actually it was on a news channel we recieved when near santa cruze, excuse my spelling of it.

[nwshc]

So that automatically makes the WHOLE armed forces of the United States prejucied?? no.

Now i have to go and read back becuase you have totaly blown this off topic.

[Anonymous]

i never said that, i said some of them are and some do that, the army in general is fine, but a large amount are very prejudice. i havent blown the topic, ive added a new point of view nobody will even consider, instead just call me an idiot or say its all bullshit, if youre too simple to even consider what im saying b4 blowing it off, im not even going to reply anymore

[nwshc]

i agree that you have to stop them without harming innocent people.

well we dint give a shit about innocents in iraq, doing lthings like sniping people who were just carryign a sack of potatoes they found to a neigbors house, trying to help each other.

He did have a sack of potatoes on his head. You litttle shit. You criticize me that i have brought it off topic with potatoes, but you infact have said it your self. Idiot

[nwshc]

The armed forces are over there helping the iraqies. No to kill every one of them. If they didnt want to help them, they would have left.

The soldiers interact with the iraqies. Talk to the people and ask them whats going on. They get on a level with the iraqies that make them feel safe.

They get running water, electricity, and basic things like that going everyday. If they all hated the iraqies, they wouldnt do that. Sure there are bad eggs in the military. Like that Engleheart i think her name is. But that is going to happen. There isnt one war ever that never had prision abuse. NEVER!!!

In conclution, they are there to keep america safe, free and keep the iraqies safe, and kill any terrorist that threaten that.

[serial-thrilla]

The armed forces are over there helping the iraqies. No to kill every one of them. If they didnt want to help them, they would have left.

The soldiers interact with the iraqies. Talk to the people and ask them whats going on. They get on a level with the iraqies that make them feel safe.

They get running water, electricity, and basic things like that going everyday. If they all hated the iraqies, they wouldnt do that. Sure there are bad eggs in the military. Like that Engleheart i think her name is. But that is going to happen. There isnt one war ever that never had prision abuse. NEVER!!!

In conclution, they are there to keep america safe, free and keep the iraqies safe, and kill any terrorist that threaten that. yes and i think all people involved should die a painful death.

[nwshc]

Matt, all of that is for you. lol

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

lol, good, i like when other people try to pioneer my cause :) serial killa you think all the brits in iraq deserve to be murdered because of their involvement? wow what a patriot you are, fucking nazi. so far what has come out of this war??? 10,000 died. 26 million people got to vote for the first time in the history of thier country. a tyranny was replaced with a democracy. genocide of the kurds has ended. prison torture has ended. if you think that instilling freedom in iraq is a bad idea, then you are an enemy of democracy. you should be exiled to siberia. who are you to say that the iraqi people dont deserve the freedoms that you guard so clotsely?

[serial-thrilla]

k cosmos, you heard me all wrong. i said that the people involved in the torturing of the iraqi prisinors deserve to die not all american and british troops who are there

[nwshc]

Dont kill them. Just serious disaplinary action. i.e. lots of jail time, dishonorable discharge, ect.

[serial-thrilla]

at least a lenghty time in jail. they dont even deserve that though

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

k cosmos, you heard me all wrong. i said that the people involved in the torturing of the iraqi prisinors deserve to die not all american and british troops who are there

kk sorry i misunderstood you :(. just keep in mind the "torture" that those whiney bitch prisoners went through was really a luxurious experience to the torture they were going under during the reign of suddam hussein

[serial-thrilla]

k cosmos, you heard me all wrong. i said that the people involved in the torturing of the iraqi prisinors deserve to die not all american and british troops who are there

kk sorry i misunderstood you :(. just keep in mind the "torture" that those whiney bitch prisoners went through was really a luxurious experience to the torture they were going under during the reign of suddam hussein maybe so but it shouldnt have happened at all

[serial-thrilla]

The armed forces are over there helping the iraqies. No to kill every one of them. If they didnt want to help them, they would have left.

The soldiers interact with the iraqies. Talk to the people and ask them whats going on. They get on a level with the iraqies that make them feel safe.

They get running water, electricity, and basic things like that going everyday. If they all hated the iraqies, they wouldnt do that. Sure there are bad eggs in the military. Like that Engleheart i think her name is. But that is going to happen. There isnt one war ever that never had prision abuse. NEVER!!!

In conclution, they are there to keep america safe, free and keep the iraqies safe, and kill any terrorist that threaten that. i know that alot of them are trying to help but i think the goverenment is trigger happy. the pentegon ordered 77 thousand body bags for the iraqis in that war..

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

which shows how incredably caring our nation is. do you think any other country would spend thousands of dollars on body bags, or simply dig mass graves? (hint, the answer is they wouldnt)