Cloning

[Iceman]

Well I just wanted to see everyone's opinions on cloning. Should we do it for the scientific advantages it will provide? Should we not because it does not seem ethical? Please discuss.

[Noooooooooo]

We should.

If you had been cloned at birth and one your major bodily organs were failing or had become damaged in an accident your clone would be the perfect organ donor and there would be no waiting.

To put it simply:

Clones = perfect spare parts.

[Spook]

The only thing I wonder is this: if we could clone, would it actually become a person with a mind and thoughts, or just a body full of nothingness? Cloning does not require reproduction (am I right?) so how would their body parts work the same? Idk cuz I am not experienced in this area but..... :/

[Noooooooooo]

The only thing I wonder is this: if we could clone, would it actually become a person with a mind and thoughts, or just a body full of nothingness?

It depends. A clone can turn into a half retard half pedophile (< just an example) -if scientists fuck up its not going to be good. Of course, it depends if its a perfect clone or not.

If the clone is a true 100% exact copy, then they would have identical memories, at the split-second after cloning. After all, your memories are nothing more than arrangements or cells and chemicals in your brain - copy them atom for atom, they'll be the same.

But of course, a million-millionth of a second after cloning, the clones will start to differ, since they are now different (a different photon from the sun hitting each other, a different molecule of dust in the air being inhaled, etc).

So I'd say memory, YES.


Conciousness, NO, since conciousness is just active use of the chemicals & cells in the brain (and we're two brains now).

Soul, definitely NO, since (if you believe in souls) there would now be two seperate living beings.


Cloning does not require reproduction (am I right?)


By reproduction what do you mean? Sex? No. Cloning is using a similar way as invitro for production methods.

so how would their body parts work the same?


Well the human genome has been completely mapped out (IE the genome man). If you are not sure that the genome is, it is a essentially a map of the human body's entire gene network and which genes are responsible for the creation of different proteins. With this information they have the theoretical intelligence to create a heart, or different organs by copying the sequence of genes designated for Heart Tissue. They haven't attempted this as it would have to bypass a shitload of political and religious outrage, but it is possible. This would allow for humans to basically clone a identical organ of their own which they can use in times of emergency.



Cloning offers a lot of shit.
Example of how cloning would be used by fugitives-----> " Faking your own death". Imagine, you are a in jail and sentenced to stay in jail all your life. You find a way to break out of jail. After that is done you force someone to make a clone of yourself and then you kill your clone and put him in the street. Police finds "you" and you are officially "deceased".

[Korashk]

We should.

If you had been cloned at birth and one your major bodily organs were failing or had become damaged in an accident your clone would be the perfect organ donor and there would be no waiting.

To put it simply:

Clones = perfect spare parts.
This would violate the rights of the clone in a pretty huge way. Unless you're talking about partial cloning of specific organs.

If the clone is a true 100% exact copy, then they would have identical memories, at the split-second after cloning. After all, your memories are nothing more than arrangements or cells and chemicals in your brain - copy them atom for atom, they'll be the same.
This is not how cloning works at all. Not even close. The clone would have no memories of the genetic donor. Assuming we perfected cloning technology, if you never told the clone that he or she was a clone, they wouldn't even know.

[Noooooooooo]

If the clone is a true 100% exact copy

This would violate the rights of the clone in a pretty huge way. Unless you're talking about partial cloning of specific organs.


This is not how cloning works at all. Not even close. The clone would have no memories of the genetic donor. Assuming we perfected cloning technology, if you never told the clone that he or she was a clone, they wouldn't even know.

True exact copy. Read the quote.

This would violate the rights of the clone in a pretty huge way. Unless you're talking about partial cloning of specific organs.

It should be theoretically possible.
Since cloning is possible, cloning organs should be too.
But there may be some practical difficulties, lol.

New organs that genetically match the recipient may be produced as well as allow regeneration of nerve tissues and other damaged tissues, and further study in genetics, human body development, and medicine.
Scientist are studying stem cells in which they made a beating heart by a cell and the stem cell however it is not known if complications will happen. The exact way it works is still unknown.

[Korashk]

True exact copy. Read the quote.
Then you're no longer talking about what most people refer to as cloning. A more appropriate phrase would be matter replication.

[Noooooooooo]

A more appropriate phrase would be matter replication.

Thats the first time I have heard of matter replication 0.0.



If the clone is a true exact copy...


^ Also, the rate of this happening is slim.
Cloning "technology" is still NOT very secure and flawless.
We still create monsters and a lot of animals die at very young age.



And cloning humans? /facepalm

There is no guarantee that the first cloned humans will be normal. The fetus might suffer from some disorder that is not detectable by ultrasound. They may be born disabled. Disorders may materialize later in life. Such problems have been seen in other cloned mammals. There is no reason to assume that they will not happen in humans.
Scientists have never succeeded cloning humans so far.

[huginnmuninn]

We should.

If you had been cloned at birth and one your major bodily organs were failing or had become damaged in an accident your clone would be the perfect organ donor and there would be no waiting.

To put it simply:

Clones = perfect spare parts.

Have you ever seen the movie the island? same idea but apparently the clones didn't want to be organ donors. if the clones have a conscience then i would consider it to be ethically wrong to take their organs unless they willingly offer them? wouldnt they be the same as non-cloned humans except they are clones of somebody else? wouldn't they have the same dna the same number of chromosomes and such as the rest of us?

[Noooooooooo]

Have you ever seen the movie the island?

No I have never seen that movie. I came out with the idea myslef, lol.

same idea but apparently the clones didn't want to be organ donors. if the clones have a conscience then i would consider it to be ethically wrong to take their organs unless they willingly offer them?

Thats the law system to decide. Again, we are not near to cloning humans.

For what use do we have of clones other than research and donor organs?

[darkwoon]

Well I just wanted to see everyone's opinions on cloning. Should we do it for the scientific advantages it will provide? Should we not because it does not seem ethical? Please discuss.
Currently, there are zero scientific advantage to cloning humans, or, for what matters, animals. Stem cells technology is where the scientific benefits are to be expected, not cloning.

I don't think cloning by itself is unethical. However, denying humanity to the clones would definitely be unacceptable - and all the human cloning applications imagined so far are precisely denying it. Clones are by definition more than "perfect spare part reserves" - they would be as human as everybody else. That they are engineered instead of naturally born changes nothing to their human rights and status.

[RoseyCadaver]

I think there would be some mutation causing the clone not to be the exact same.I think there is nothing wrong if you could clone body parts,but cloning a human and destroying it for it's parts is another subject,to me it's disrespect to life,thats my opinion on a ethical level,not a religious one.Plus you have the worries of new illness forming ,many try to use Dolly as an excuse saying she died from her lung cancer was because she was a clone,but many argue saying that many other species who shared her DNA died too,for reason close to hers.So I think cloning is a bit of slippery slope leading to something that may help the earth,or possibly messing up the gene pool forever.Although gene splicing is pretty cool ^_^.


-Side Note- I was messing with my betta babies as they were young(i breed fish)and I start feeding them less to food rationing,lol,and now I have healthy, midget bettas :)......I learned my lesson xD!

[Joethegreat1]

I believe that cloning organs or appendages for humans with disabilities is acceptable, but cloning humans is morally and ethically wrong. Not only is a human trying to play as God, but cloning is still in its early stages and humans are not very successful at it, leaving clones with various genetic defects. Also if human cloning were to become legal, it would lead to a massive disrespect for human life.

[Magus]

I don't have an argument now, but I advocate full-body fully functioning human body cloning <- Yes, this shit exist.