Nationalizing Health care

[Maverick]

What do you think about nationalizing health care in the United States?

[Whisper]

you mean public healthcare? Like Canada?

[Bankai15]

I support free heath care. Because people who are hurt and cannot work should not suffer because he/she can not make money.

[Maverick]

Yes, Cody.

[advent_child]

Well every state had Medicaid/Medicare alternatives for people unfortuate enough to be in the lower income categories. I hear about mandatory waiting lists and systems of referals. Whisper, what is your take on the Canadian healthcare situation? Does the public insurance cover chiropractic services? Is there some sort of Primary Care Physician that must oversee all aspects of your treatment? Are the healthcare workers expected to take pay cuts to support it? To answer your question Anthony, no. We have healthcare programs in my state that are more than adequate for people that can't afford anything else. The tax burden would be too great, and I believe companies such as Blue Cross, Blue Shield (whom I personally carry) provide enough coverage at prices that are workable into most budgets. (Freedomfighter, I live in south Louisiana, and I must say I applaud you for being a Giants fan, but GOOOOOO SAINTS BIOTCH!!!!!! BLACK AND GOLD WEEKEND!)

[Whisper]

It has ups and downs
it costs ALLOT of money
espically because allot of Canadas population is getting old
then you look at Alberta with the oilfeild boom and i mean BOOOOM!!!
its put a HUGE strain on public healthcare because of the worker shortage and we cant build new hospitals fast enough

ER rooms are insane
at one hospital the ER room is so bad three pregnant girls have had miscarages waiting to see a doctor
like thats just sick
whenever i'm in trouble i go to a hospital in a small town cause your helped asap
like myy home town less then 900 people it services the whole area (3 small towns)
it just got like 250million dollars in new equipment


BUT it is getting better the oilfeilds finally starting to slow it'll crash soon
5-10yrs it'll start all over again
and like my parents would have moved to america cause they both had VERY good jobs waiting in both Ancrage and Seattle the reason they turned them down is because me and katie have always been really sick
like when we were first born we were in intensive care for months kate had a huge hole in her heart and i had a collapsed lung
we both had massive internal bleeding n blah blah blah
then my sister has always had allot of kidney problems
and I just keep getting hurt, stabbed, broken arm, cracked skull, crushed hand, etc....
we've both had ALLOT of surgerys and I actually need another one but its gonna hurt likle hell so i'm avoiding it (they need to break half my ribs lmfao)

we've had all of it for free like we pay taxes but no medical bills and no cash upfront period
like when i herd that in america some people actually have to PAY to see a doc or go to the ER i was like WHAT!


And then ontop of the public healthcare there are some private healthcare facilitys so if you have really good insurance or work for a great company like my dad and you need something done NOW! not in a few weeks or months you can have it done

like my sisters been fainting and losing her vision then her hearing
we were terrified something was wrong and the public health care system would have made katie wait so my dad went and talked to his boss and the company paid 30grand cash to have all her tests done in less then two days

[Mannequin]

No. The US is in debt.
People need to stop shitting on their hands and then going to mcDonalds to eat and wondering why the have poor cholestrol and smelly fingers.

[advent_child]

Well if you have no insurance you have to pay full price, and if you have a deductable or a copay, you pay a small part. Personally, I have full coverage so no money goes out period. (My dad's company pays every dime as a benefit.) I would rather pay like fifty bucks here and there than have to wait three hours to see a doctor... there must be a shortage of hospitals in Canada,eh?

[Maverick]

Presidental Candiates Hiliary Clinton and Barack Obama are calling for Universal Healthcare. Including a lot of democrats. President Bush's health care plan is offering tax breaks to those insured. What do you all think?

[cmpcmp]

I think that as a nation that is comparably rich, we have the opportunity and the obligation to serve the less fortunate among us with the most basic needs, like food and health in general.

Unfortunately, many government programs end up very inefficient, and a s result the people as a whole suffer with less results for more money. So the best thing to do would be to have "Vouchers" or something like that so that the government could get a bunch of health companies together and say "you have x amount of money per year per person that you serve" have them come up with what they would offer their potential clients and then let people who don't make enough money to buy their own health care choose which one they want.

this would solve the problem at a reasonable cost and also keep competition (lower prices) so that the rest of society wouldn't be dragged down too much. i don't like the idea of every body having the same health care plan, it scares the shit out of the free market man inside me, and to some extent that "big brother" is is watching you thing to.

[advent_child]

Well cmpcmp, I LOVED 1984, I just read it recently. However, legislation that would force health care companies to serve a group of people is unconstitutional (in my eyes) and in the end, there IS affordable health care out there. If your income is so low as to the point you can't afford it, and your job will not provide it (God bless the good folks at Wal-Mart) it should be left to the states to set up low income medicaid programs (which every state has already done) that should be federally funded (...that already are.) Personally, I believe that there is a small percentage of people who really don't want coverage (or don't want it enough to pay for it). I don't know a SINGLE person without a health care plan.

[cmpcmp]

However, legislation that would force health care companies to serve a group of people is unconstitutional

may be u misunderstood or a said it strangely, just to clarify, I don't want any company to be forced to serve a group of people, they must first choose to be a health care company, and then the government would just pay for the people that couldn't pay for it. They are just regular clients of the company who happen to have it paid for by the GOV.

on one is forced to do anything

[advent_child]

no offense, but the wording was a bit awkward ( to me anyway)... I think it would be less costly for low income ppl to be on medicaid because even if the government footed a health care bill, there would still be deductibles and copays that the individual might not be able to pay. I think (after researching the issue further, and discovering that health care plans are structured very complex, and are confusing as flaming poo balls) that there should be a reserve federal medicaid plan for states with a high poverty population to further aid the states. Further, people need to realize that healthcare is more important than a BMW 525i. I kid u not, my cousin dropped humana so he could afford a car lease.