Osama Bin Laden Death Official! ~Read

[Nevermore]

As much as any American I was happily surprised to hear about his death. However how good is it really? Think about it. We can't pull out our troops because he has followers, that I'm sure has told them what to do after I do sort of thing. Think about this, when in WW 2 Hitler died WW2 didn't end. We couldn't pull out. The death camps still went on. Death and slaughter is still going to happen. And what is one death in the end to over 1,000? Nothing can justify those people's deaths. I'm sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but his death is good I can see because he can't physically hurt anyone else, or teach anyone else, but then there's the rest that are still around that he has taught and can teach others. I just don't see how good it is. Please debate me on this.

-also-

September 11th. Every year on this date, people mourn the loss of almost 3,000 Americans. It almost seems to have been planned on this date for a reason.

September 11 = 9/11= 911= Police

Osama Bin Laden was the leader of a terrorist group called Al Qaeda. He led the attack on the World Trade Center (Twin Towers) on September 11, 2001. There were 2 planes involved in the attack. The pilots in the plane commited suicide on their mission, crashing the planes into the twin buildings, causing a fiery explosion.

The first plane hit one of the towers at 8:45 AM on that day, and the second followed soon after.

After the mission was successfully completed, Osama Bin Laden went into hiding. Osama Bin Laden hid for 10 years, alternating areas, his most recent a high-security compound in Pakistan.

So why say Osama Bin Laden only hid for "Ten Years?" Yesterday morning in Abbottabad, Pakistan, Bin Laden was murdered in a shootout, caused by an operation of Navy Seals. At around 11:30pm Eastern Time, his death hit the news, causing all the channels to be shut down for the news flash.

"The U.S. military says the No. 2 leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq has been killed by Coalition forces during an Oct. 5 operation in the northern city of Mosul. The military has positively identified the insurgent leader as a Moroccan known as Abu Qaswarah or Abu Sara.

Wednesday's statement says he became the senior Al Qaeda in Iraq emir of northern Iraq in June 2007 and had ties to senior Al Qaeda leaders in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

It also says "he was Al Qaeda in Iraq's second-in-command" behind Abu Ayyub al-Masri, who also is known as Abu Hamza al-Muhajir."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,438203,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,438203,00.html)

So...do the two deaths of these men mean that America is safe? Or will Al Qaeda strike back? Will someone else take charge of the group?

What is your opinion? :what:


Thanks for reading, ~Caitlin

I merged the two threads and posted the first post of the other one for everyone to read as well.--Socko

[Fushigi]

hmmm i think it has a good and bad effect... obama said don't be assured that we will live in peace just because osama died..... im sure some of osama's follower will take revenge and do inhumane stuffs again...

[iangillan]

Do you really thin that Osam BL is dead.
Look at this link.http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/pb-110502-osama-bin-laden-fake-picture.photoblog900.jpg

[embers]

Do you really thin that Osam BL is dead.
Look at this link.http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/pb-110502-osama-bin-laden-fake-picture.photoblog900.jpg

How can you possibly say he isn't because of one false picture? The US never released a picture/video of his death.

[iangillan]

I can not be sure,of course,but,just thinking.
Couple years ago,we have information from pres.Bush that Obama have 7 doublers.
Which Obama is killed Now, Original or Doubler.

[Azunite]

I can not be sure,of course,but,just thinking.
Couple years ago,we have information from pres.Bush that Obama have 7 doublers.
Which Obama is killed Now, Original or Doubler.

It is Osama, for your information. We'd be fucked if Obama had 7 doubles.

[Spook]

September 11th. Every year on this date, people mourn the loss of almost 3,000 Americans. It almost seems to have been planned on this date for a reason.

September 11 = 9/11= 911= Police

Osama Bin Laden was the leader of a terrorist group called Al Qaeda. He led the attack on the World Trade Center (Twin Towers) on September 11, 2001. There were 2 planes involved in the attack. The pilots in the plane commited suicide on their mission, crashing the planes into the twin buildings, causing a fiery explosion.

The first plane hit one of the towers at 8:45 AM on that day, and the second followed soon after.

After the mission was successfully completed, Osama Bin Laden went into hiding. Osama Bin Laden hid for 10 years, alternating areas, his most recent a high-security compound in Pakistan.

So why say Osama Bin Laden only hid for "Ten Years?" Yesterday morning in Abbottabad, Pakistan, Bin Laden was murdered in a shootout, caused by an operation of Navy Seals. At around 11:30pm Eastern Time, his death hit the news, causing all the channels to be shut down for the news flash.

"The U.S. military says the No. 2 leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq has been killed by Coalition forces during an Oct. 5 operation in the northern city of Mosul. The military has positively identified the insurgent leader as a Moroccan known as Abu Qaswarah or Abu Sara.

Wednesday's statement says he became the senior Al Qaeda in Iraq emir of northern Iraq in June 2007 and had ties to senior Al Qaeda leaders in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

It also says "he was Al Qaeda in Iraq's second-in-command" behind Abu Ayyub al-Masri, who also is known as Abu Hamza al-Muhajir."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,438203,00.html

So...do the two deaths of these men mean that America is safe? Or will Al Qaeda strike back? Will someone else take charge of the group?

What is your opinion? :what:


Thanks for reading, ~Caitlin

[iangillan]

Yes,Sorry,my mistake.(what`s happend with me).I mean Osama BL.

[Cloud]

America just had to out do our royal wedding......

And i dont think it will ensure anything. Retaliations will happen pretty much no doubt about that, the magnitude of them is debatable however

[Azunite]

America just unleashed Al-Qaeda's fury.

There will always be someone else, and America shouldn't celebrate over a terrorist's death. It is pointless.

[Azunite]

He was just a terrorist people, no need to open 10 threads about it and celebrate over a head of thousand serpents. Because of him America faced a catastrophe but there will be others who will take revenge of Osama. The vendetta between states and terrorist groups will never end.

[Spook]

America just unleashed Al-Qaeda's fury.

There will always be someone else, and America shouldn't celebrate over a terrorist's death. It is pointless.

Agreed.

And that made me lol Cloud. "America just had to out-do our royal wedding." hehe

[Spook]

I've got the vibe that it's "not good." As in, there are others who follow him. He was in hiding doing nothing, and now there is anger among his group that will cause them to strike back.

Not good.

[Blake1994]

As much as I am overjoyed and thrilled about Osama bin Laden's death, I hate to say it, but my country has unleashed a fury that is going to be irreversible. Regardless if he was the Grand-Daddy of terrorists or not, once you kill one terrorist, one-hundred more will be ready to take his place.

al-Qaeda will be Hell bent on revenge since many saw bin Laden as a hero. We should always remain alert and vigilant.

[Spook]

Completely agreed. There are more who have been taught and trained by him, at ready to take his place...and definately to take revenge. I was genuinely surprised this morning when I heard of his death, as he has been in hiding for 10 years. What motive did the Navy have to suddenly find and kill him? :/

[Blake1994]

Completely agreed. There are more who have been taught and trained by him, at ready to take his place...and definately to take revenge. I was genuinely surprised this morning when I heard of his death, as he has been in hiding for 10 years. What motive did the Navy have to suddenly find and kill him? :/

Well from what I heard, they had been acting on a lead for nearly 4 years. Something about a front man who owned the mansion that bin Laden was in, I guess he was being followed and such.

[Spook]

I wonder how Bin Laden could afford to live in a mansion. I mean...who would hire him to work? -_-

[Azunite]

Only an hour after his death two bombs went off in Pakistan. And all terror groups swore to take revenge

[Azunite]

I wonder how Bin Laden could afford to live in a mansion. I mean...who would hire him to work? -_-

Don't think a terrorist leader's life is humble. They can always take money from the local peopel by force, and the black market is a huge income for them. Also there are few secret organisations who supplies them with money and equipment.

[Nevermore]

I agree I don't think it's good at all, I jsut think it's more hell for America. I'm kind of afraid for us as a country. Not saying our military isn't good, but what if they had a plan and his demise was supposed to be happen. I'm just a bit paranoid maybe.

[embers]

Only an hour after his death two bombs went off in Pakistan. And all terror groups swore to take revenge

And they say we're stabilising. The extremists in our country can easily swoop in and fuck over the government when they please. I don't know why they haven't done it yet.

[Azunite]

They take things slow and steady to deliver more pain. And well if they take over the country a great responsibility will come over them. They will need to manage and build in order to get money. Now they just extort the local folk and get enough money

[Continuum]

I wonder how Bin Laden could afford to live in a mansion. I mean...who would hire him to work? -_-

No, actually, he's a folk hero to the rural folks of the Muslim-dominant parts of Asia. Just lookie here (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/987), imagine Bin Laden as Don Quixote, only with a bomb-lined field jacket and an AK. And a nice turban too.

I wouldn't say this is a victory. Not a bit. It would only symbolically prove to be one. There are still numerous Splinter Cells in the whole terrorist sphere, each with their own individual leaders. It would have incited ire within the whole group, though.

[Noooooooooo]

I don't understand why the fuck Americans are happy for this...
Someone more badass is probably going to take his place and own even more people 0.0

[Azunite]

I don't understand why the fuck Americans happy for this...
Someone more badass is probably going to take his place and own even more people 0.0

Americans are so blindfolded right now they don't know that they will get owned by shocking events pretty soon

[Rainstorm]

"Cut the head off a hydra and two more shall replace it."

[Azunite]

"Cut the head off a hydra and two more shall replace it."

And with Muslims being keen on producing many children, that hydras may be a little more.

[Rainstorm]

And with Muslims being keen on producing many children, that hydras may be a little more.

True, but good thing about getting rid of Osama is it does cut off some funds to the terrorists for a period of time. But there will, of course, still be attacks

[pageplant77]

I'll start out by questioning your belief of that "planned" attack conspiracy.
Yes, it's weird and coincidental, but I doubt that it was planned. The WTC was attacked by Osama in '93, there was nothing special about that. Osama just didn't have a good enough strategy to launch a wide scale attack back then.
2nd, Osama has actually been on the run from the U.S. for 2 decades. He just wasn't very high on the list of people to take out until after 9/11.
But as for the safety of the union, I don't know. I mean, without Bin Laden, the figurehead of Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda might not accomplish much. But at the same time, one could argue that Al Qaeda is enraged about Bin Laden's death, or that they have other important leaders to give out commands.
But I guess we'll just have to wait and see

IMO I don't think the U.S. is at any more risk, or any less risk now than we were before his death.

[canyon]

Guys, it can be debated for days on whether or not it was the right choice to kill bin Laden. The point is, he's dead. There's nothing you can do about it now.

He was the leader of al-Qaeda, and I do believe that they will retaliate because of his death. It just makes sense that they would have some form of a plan in place to act on if he died. Now that the United States killed him, I believe that something will happen soon. Just yesterday I came home from vacation and the airports were on such high security already. Everyone was asked to go through the body scanners and security lines were hours long. I had to wait for about 2 hours just to get through security and that was mere hours after everything happened.

To whoever said that quote above about the hydra, I think you're right to an extent. Just because the leader is gone doesn't mean the group's been eradicated. There are leaders under him that can now step up, and now that they have a reason to attack, I think they will. Like I said above, it was just hours after he died and airports were operating at maximum security. If anything, his death is only fueling the fire of al-Qaeda to attack us. They know that America is scared of another attack now, and that's what they want. They want us to fear them and not know what they'll do next. If we're afraid, we're vulnerable. We just have to be prepared and alert

[iangillan]

Qestion is what is true.Is `Original` Osama Bin Laden aka. Tim Osman (CIA`s name) really dead. When I look at all controversies in last 10 years about him,I`m really in doubt.
Is there any proof that he is dead (except presidents words).

And of course,What about revenge.Facts are that in USA was killed cca 3000 people,but in Afghanistan and Iraq was killed cca 50.000 woman and children.It`s not even similar.

[Noooooooooo]

Qestion is what is true.Is `Original` Osama Bin Laden aka. Tim Osman (CIA`s name) really dead. When I look at all controversies in last 10 years about him,I`m really in doubt.
Is there any proof that he is dead (except presidents words).


And of course,What about revenge.Facts are that in USA was killed cca 3000 people,but in Afghanistan and Iraq was killed cca 50.000 woman and children.It`s not even similar.

Why would the president of US lie that the most famous terrorist is dead? I don't see a reason to lie.


And revenge? America is getting ready for counter attacks already . I've heard they started putting a lot more cops near mosques in US - They have to look for suspicios looking people which may resemble terrorists lol... Not going to really help them in my opinion.

[Magus]

How do you guys know Osama Bin Laden is dead?

[iangillan]

Why would the president of US lie that the most famous terrorist is dead? I don't see a reason to lie.

Why that same president to not say,Who was Osama 15-20 years ago,Who armed them.This same president several years ago said,that Osama have seven doublers,why don`t say which was killed original or double.Why He not close Guantanamo prison,what`s hapend there,why,why,why,why.....

[Continuum]

How do you guys know Osama Bin Laden is dead?

The media said so. We only follow what is available to us proles. Learn more of it, and we'll eventually have the Men In Black compromise our privacy.

[Spook]

Yay! Sammy and I did a thread together. :3

Wow. I just ruined a very concentrated conversation. -_-

[Rainstorm]

How do you guys know Osama Bin Laden is dead?

According to reports, DNA tests show, with 99% accuracy it's him.

[Spook]

Yeah, and Bin Laden twins with 99% DNA matches don't just happen to show up in the EXACT place where Bin Laden was hiding, with weapons and stuff. So...it has to be him.

[Continuum]

Yeah, and Bin Laden twins with 99% DNA matches don't just happen to show up in the EXACT place where Bin Laden was hiding, with weapons and stuff. So...it has to be him.

It was his clone. Don't be silly.

[Azunite]

How do you guys know Osama Bin Laden is dead?

They made a DNA test and buried him into the sea according to Islamic traditions! They cannot lie man, this is secret service!

[Spook]

As I heard on TV, we don't want to get to caught in "celebration" and miss the next attack.

Besides, I think it is morally wrong to celebrate over the death of a human being. Sure, he killed alot of Americans, but we still shouldnt be in CELEBRATION over it.

And I love Gaul's sarcasm. Always. ;)

[embers]

No, actually, he's a folk hero to the rural folks of the Muslim-dominant parts of Asia. Just lookie here (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/987), imagine Bin Laden as Don Quixote, only with a bomb-lined field jacket and an AK. And a nice turban too.

I'm hoping so hard that this is sarcasm. 'Rural' places of Pakistan are plagued by insurgency, the last thing most of them would want is to hail Osama as a hero. Hell, our military/intelligence supports him more than any rural townsfolk would.

[Rainstorm]

what are your opinions on this article? I agree with some of the points, but I have to disagree on the fact that Al Qaeda is over.

Click here. (http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/02/al-qaeda-is-dead/?hpt=T1&iref=BN1)

[Azunite]

It would be being both ignorant and stupid to believe Al Qaeda is over.

[Rainstorm]

It would be being both ignorant and stupid to believe Al Qaeda is over.

You have to imagine it's somewhat crippled, though. Bin Laden provided a good amount of money.

Though that doesn't mean they're done for.

[Continuum]

I'm hoping so hard that this is sarcasm. 'Rural' places of Pakistan are plagued by insurgency, the last thing most of them would want is to hail Osama as a hero. Hell, our military/intelligence supports him more than any rural townsfolk would.

I'm afraid I was mislead, my friend. Don't blame me, I was pretty convinced by that article that says so. Sadly, I still believe he was protected by the government.

It would be being both ignorant and stupid to believe Al Qaeda is over.

Apparently, Al Qaeda already has a heir. I don't know how to spell his name, nor want to look it over on Google, but you people get the idea.

[Noooooooooo]

As I heard on TV, we don't want to get to caught in "celebration" and miss the next attack.

Besides, I think it is morally wrong to celebrate over the death of a human being. Sure, he killed alot of Americans, but we still shouldnt be in CELEBRATION over it.



I would celibrate over a famous terrorist's death but I don't really give shit that he is dead.
I'm just looking forward to what the Taliban are planning for avenging Osama's death.

[Rainstorm]

Apparently, Al Qaeda already has a heir. I don't know how to spell his name, nor want to look it over on Google, but you people get the idea.

From what I've read, he's an ex-Egyptian militant. Not sure on the accuracy of that.

[Sith Lord 13]

Proof Osama is dead? Al-Qaeda hasn't refuted it. If he were alive, we would have heard the refutation from them by now.

[embers]

Sadly, I still believe he was protected by the government.

Without a doubt. I strongly believe the Pakistani military and the Inter-Services Intelligence were protecting him - it's the only sensible explanation seeing as he's now believed to have lived in Abottabad for six years.

[Magus]

Proof Osama is dead? Al-Qaeda hasn't refuted it. If he were alive, we would have heard the refutation from them by now.I can't believe this is coming from you, even if you are skeptic of all possible scenarios.

If you have read Sun Tzu's book, even if Osama didn't die, and America used this to break open the morales of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. But if Osama is still alive, then this will be the greatest of Al-Qaeda victory.

Fake Osama corpse pictures - contains disturbing images (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-photo-fake)

[iamlauren]

They're gonna come back at us and launch another terrorist attack I think. I'm really scared.

[PoseidonX43]

Osama is dead but his Goons arnt

[Rainstorm]

Well it's official. Obama isn't releasing the photos.

[slappy]

Well it's official. Obama isn't releasing the photos.

I don't really blame him
It could threaten our national security if he dose. Yea, I would love to see them but I can't blame him for lot wanting the world to see them because it may spark further anger toward the united states.

[Rainstorm]

I don't really blame him
It could threaten our national security if he dose. Yea, I would love to see them but I can't blame him for lot wanting the world to see them because it may spark further anger toward the united states.

Because killing the man who led a terrorist organization bent on more attacks on the US isn't just as much of a threat.

[slappy]

Because killing the man who led a terrorist organization bent on more attacks on the US isn't just as much of a threat.

We just cut off the head of the snake we don't know where the body of it is
There is a new leader of alquida. And if we show off that we killed usama bin laden, they will get even worse with there attacks. So I think it is best that we don't show off the dead body of bin laden.

[Rainstorm]

We just cut off the head of the snake we don't know where the body of it is
There is a new leader of alquida. And if we show off that we killed usama bin laden, they will get even worse with there attacks. So I think it is best that we don't show off the dead body of bin laden.

Al Qaeda*

Of course they'd get worse with their attacks, but the last successful one was 10 years ago. They were already weak for the past decade and though they'll regain strength for possibly a year or so, they'll die down once more.

We knew that whenever Osama was killed or captured that we'd be threatened and attacks. Now it's time for the government and law enforcement to step up and make sure they're ready.

[slappy]

Al Qaeda*

Of course they'd get worse with their attacks, but the last successful one was 10 years ago. They were already weak for the past decade and though they'll regain strength for possibly a year or so, they'll die down once more.

We knew that whenever Osama was killed or captured that we'd be threatened and attacks. Now it's time for the government and law enforcement to step up and make sure they're ready.

It's not the best idea to be flaunting the dead body of usama bin laden. Because that would make us just as bad as them. And America is better than that.

Like I said, we don't know where everyone else is. There members all around the world. In America, in Europe, everywhere.

[Rainstorm]

It's not the best idea to be flaunting the dead body of usama bin laden. Because that would make us just as bad as them. And America is better than that.

...I'm going to disregard that last statement.

Anyways, showing proof that you actually killed him isn't flaunting. I don't care if you show the DNA results or a video of the funeral, but give us some evidence. People both nationally and in the international community have asked for it.

[slappy]

...I'm going to disregard that last statement.

Anyways, showing proof that you actually killed him isn't flaunting. I don't care if you show the DNA results or a video of the funeral, but give us some evidence. People both nationally and in the international community have asked for it.

Yes, America is better than that. We play by the rules when it comes to that type of thing.

[Rainstorm]

Yes, America is better than that. We play by the rules when it comes to that TYP of thing.

Hence why we programed the hanging of Saddam Hussein and allowed it to go viral.

[slappy]

Hence why we programed the hanging of Saddam Hussein and allowed it to go viral.

1. We did not hang saddam, Iraq did

2. America did not let it go viral the man with the cellphone did

[Rainstorm]

1. We did not hang saddam, Iraq did

2. America did not let it go viral the man with the cellphone did

With aid from the United States. And if companies can remove videos from the web with one button, I don't know why the US can't.

But oh well. That's off topic.

[Cloud]

It's not the best idea to be flaunting the dead body of usama bin laden. Because that would make us just as bad as them. And America is better than that.
America is better than that? than what, shooting him while unarmed? when they could have easily captured him alive?

Yes, America is better than that. We play by the rules when it comes to that type of thing.

refering to my previous statement, i thought there was a rule linking something about shooting unarmed people and NOT DOING IT

[Rainstorm]

America is better than that? than what, shooting him while unarmed? when they could have easily captured him alive?


While I agree with this statement Calum, I don't think it was the most feasible option given the conditions. But this would have been a more humane option

[Zazu]

Roll on even more of the world police states!!!

[Cloud]

While I agree with this statement Calum, I don't think it was the most feasible option given the conditions. But this would have been a more humane option

feasability, yes, your seals are meant to be your elites, and it was the elite squad of the seals. Might not have been easy but it would be doable.but in the argument that america is better then my point still stands :)

[slappy]

feasability, yes, your seals are meant to be your elites, and it was the elite squad of the seals. Might not have been easy but it would be doable.but in the argument that america is better then my point still stands :)

What else where they going to do? They where being shot at, there where flash grenades going off, there where people rushing them. Would you have just calmly walked up to him and tell him to come with u?
No, you would shoot him in the head.

[Cloud]

What else where they going to do? They where being shot at, there where flash grenades going off, there where people rushing them. Would you have just calmly walked up to him and tell him to come with u?
No, you would shoot him in the head.

They are meant to be your countries best fighting force, and they couldnt think to take down a single unarmed man in an enclosed room?

And tactically if it was me, no i wouldnt walk up to him and no i wouldnt shoot him. Flashbangs going off you say, so they had access to them. Flash the room. He is disorientated, cant see whats going on, either slap ties on him, or knock him out. Descriptions off him ive read, he wouldnt have put up much of a fight back if he was unarmed.

[Iceman]

They are meant to be your countries best fighting force, and they couldnt think to take down a single unarmed man in an enclosed room?

And tactically if it was me, no i wouldnt walk up to him and no i wouldnt shoot him. Flashbangs going off you say, so they had access to them. Flash the room. He is disorientated, cant see whats going on, either slap ties on him, or knock him out. Descriptions off him ive read, he wouldnt have put up much of a fight back if he was unarmed.

He was old and in miserable health conditions. He wouldn't have gave up much of a fight.

[Perseus]

They are meant to be your countries best fighting force, and they couldnt think to take down a single unarmed man in an enclosed room?

And tactically if it was me, no i wouldnt walk up to him and no i wouldnt shoot him. Flashbangs going off you say, so they had access to them. Flash the room. He is disorientated, cant see whats going on, either slap ties on him, or knock him out. Descriptions off him ive read, he wouldnt have put up much of a fight back if he was unarmed.

They're still going to fight under the assumption he has bombs on him since Al-Qaeda is notorious for those kind of things, you know. Why do you think they shot him twice in the head?

[Cloud]

They're still going to fight under the assumption he has bombs on him since Al-Qaeda is notorious for those kind of things, you know. Why do you think they shot him twice in the head?

Non Lethal force is still a feasible option. I raised that point in response to Bord raising the point that america is better since they apparently play by the rules.
I understand they couldve shot him or they couldve taken him down with non lethal force. Like Obama could release the evidence or not.

[Perseus]

Non Lethal force is still a feasible option. I raised that point in response to Bord raising the point that america is better since they apparently play by the rules.
I understand they couldve shot him or they couldve taken him down with non lethal force. Like Obama could release the evidence or not.

Shooting him anywhere on the body could trigger a possible hidden explosive. Once again, why they aimed for the head. They're not going to run up to him if there's a possibility he's armed to the teeth with explosives.

[Rainstorm]

Shooting him anywhere on the body could trigger a possible hidden explosive. Once again, why they aimed for the head. They're not going to run up to him if there's a possibility he's armed to the teeth with explosives.

I agree here. This is the leader of the Terrorist Organization responsible for killing thousands. From an interview with an official, they said that unless Osama was naked and with his hands up, they were aiming to kill.

[Azunite]

I agree with Cloud and it is ridiclous to think that Osama could have bombs around his body. This raid was a surprise, they didn't know the SEAL 6 would be there ,so the moment he heard the gunfire he taped up IEDs on his body?

[Spook]

Some new facts I learned:

The Navy Seals were flying into Pakistan on "Stealth Helicopters." Stealth Helicopters have never been seen by the public until now, and have many special features. When they fly in, the sound, unlike the regular noisy choppers, is muted. Also, it gives the sound that it is leaving the area when it is actually flying right at you. Another helpful feature is that it shuts of ALL power sources in the city it is flying over, and they only come back on when the helicopter leaves. The good thing about this is; house alarms go off (no electricity, get it?). This includes the Terroris leader's house- making it easy for the seals to get in, shoot him in the head, and bolt out of there. Also, warning calls cannot be made, as phones do not work. Those are also off. So, perfect plan!

[embers]

I agree with Cloud and it is ridiclous to think that Osama could have bombs around his body. This raid was a surprise, they didn't know the SEAL 6 would be there ,so the moment he heard the gunfire he taped up IEDs on his body?

This, and if Osama had been in hiding for over ten years as well as being Al Qaeda's leader, I'm pretty sure that pretty much rules out the possibility of him being strapped with explosives.

[Magus]

Some new facts I learned:

The Navy Seals were flying into Pakistan on "Stealth Helicopters." Stealth Helicopters have never been seen by the public until now, and have many special features. When they fly in, the sound, unlike the regular noisy choppers, is muted. Also, it gives the sound that it is leaving the area when it is actually flying right at you. Wow, a helicopter defying Doppler effect with Noise reduction mechanism. Crazy technologies you got there, you Americans.

Another helpful feature is that it shuts of ALL power sources in the city it is flying over, and they only come back on when the helicopter leaves. The good thing about this is; house alarms go off (no electricity, get it?). This includes the Terroris leader's house- making it easy for the seals to get in, shoot him in the head, and bolt out of there. Also, warning calls cannot be made, as phones do not work. Those are also off. So, perfect plan!

Perfect Plan? If I found out that my house electricity went off, man this puts me in a high alert defence mode(fight-or-flight response), ready to anticipate any assault and direct cover attack from all angles. I believe Osama could've pulled that a lot better than me, especially since he is a really wanted man.

"The best defence is a good offence" was their motto next to their regular jihadist mottoes.

Plus, if they shot him in the head, that means Osama was submitting himself and wasn't a really a threat to the soldiers -- Man, he was with his wifes, fucking for god's sake! So they had a clear shot for that split second.

Plus no one is that accurate, even highly trained close quarter gun combatants with guided eye-sight. They would have shot his body or thin air, if Osama was moving. Barge in, and you find your gun pointing the head? Now, that's a Tom Clancy novel rip right there.

[Perseus]

I agree with Cloud and it is ridiclous to think that Osama could have bombs around his body. This raid was a surprise, they didn't know the SEAL 6 would be there ,so the moment he heard the gunfire he taped up IEDs on his body?

This, and if Osama had been in hiding for over ten years as well as being Al Qaeda's leader, I'm pretty sure that pretty much rules out the possibility of him being strapped with explosives.

Why not take the precaution?

[embers]

Why not take the precaution?

You end up killing someone when you would have benefited more from taking him in alive. Such is the case.

[Perseus]

You end up killing someone when you would have benefited more from taking him in alive. Such is the case.

Though, it probably wouldn't have made a difference. He would have most likely been tried on a U.N. court and done whatever they do with people who commit terrorist attacks.

[embers]

Though, it probably wouldn't have made a difference. He would have most likely been tried on a U.N. court and done whatever they do with people who commit terrorist attacks.

I suppose so, but then again, Americans always have Guantanamo.

[Cloud]

Though, it probably wouldn't have made a difference. He would have most likely been tried on a U.N. court and done whatever they do with people who commit terrorist attacks.

Guantanamo Bay?
where they admitted to torturing to reveal information?

[Perseus]

Guantanamo Bay?
where they admitted to torturing to reveal information?

And did I ever say I condoned Guantanamo Bay? And if he's tried a U.N. court, I doubt they're going to hand him over for us to torture him because people would do that since people's emotions would get in the way of things, though that happens all the time there, I bet.

[Azunite]

Why not take the precaution?

So he always has bombs around his body?

[Perseus]

So he always has bombs around his body?

You assume he does. American police assume you're armed until they check you. Such as, where I live, police always have their hand on their gun, even if it is for a traffic stop, etc. There's no reason to let your guard and assume the most wanted man for America is unarmed and not dangerous.

[Infidelitas]

My opinion is that by Killing Osama has made things a whole lot worse. Im scared now because the US has had attacks, so has London. So is Australia next?

It hasnt just ended, I think its just begun.

[big joey]

shit I'm canaden and I am happy

[Azunite]

My opinion is that by Killing Osama has made things a whole lot worse. Im scared now because the US has had attacks, so has London. So is Australia next?

It hasnt just ended, I think its just begun.

Lol are you kidding me? Why would they go all the way to Australia?

[slappy]

My opinion is that by Killing Osama has made things a whole lot worse. Im scared now because the US has had attacks, so has London. So is Australia next?

It hasnt just ended, I think its just begun.

Well I'm one of the very few who trusts the government and defense, so I think we will be just fine. If they do try and attack, we will fuck them up. (if we could find them)

[Azunite]

Well I'm one of the very few who trusts the government and defense, so I think we will be just fine. If they do try and attack, we will fuck them up. (if we could find them)

Hah! If only the US Army could fight in guerilla formations..

[Continuum]

Hah! If only the US Army could fight in guerilla formations..

Uh, they can, too. (http://www.scribd.com/doc/121871/CIA-Guerilla-Handbook)

[Azunite]

This is only a manual