LSD --is it dangerous?

[handler]

Are there any dangers associated with LSD?

How long does it last in your system?

What are flashbacks? Are they real?

Is LSD addictive?

Could you please answer these questions for me? Or if someone knows a better place to look into this could they gladly link me to it?

[Magus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_diethylamide, has all of the answers!
While you are at it, buy a copy of Torment of the Metals by Alasehir.

[bleedoutlove]

Are there any dangers associated with LSD?

How long does it last in your system?

What are flashbacks? Are they real?

Is LSD addictive?

Could you please answer these questions for me? Or if someone knows a better place to look into this could they gladly link me to it?

Hey there :)

The only real danger associated with LSD is harming yourself whilst on your trip. But this risk can be eliminated by having a sitter with you, someone sober (not taken any drugs) to look after you and comfort you, should you have a bad trip. (This is where you have hallucinations that make you terrified.)

It is incredibly rare to have flashbacks with LSD - I know people who've done LSD 5 times and have never had flashbacks, plus countless people online.

LSD is not addictive.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd.shtml

Hope I helped :D

[Josiah7]

EVERY DRUG IS DANGEROUS. Simple.

Every drug is harmful to the human body, if taken wrongly and not reccomended by Medical Professionals. Do you know where it is made ? What is actually in it ?

Be smart, not a idiot and don't take it.

Can't be put simplier then that. Sorry for being blunt.

[Donkey]

LSD is physically one of the most safe drugs about. Psychologically, it can have harmful effects if taken alone but to be honest not a lot more than some antidepressants.

[Josiah7]

Yes it may not show its full effects in the short term, but we have to remember that no drug is safe - and every single drug effects different people in different ways.

[staying_alive]

EVERY DRUG IS DANGEROUS. Simple.

Every drug is harmful to the human body, if taken wrongly and not reccomended by Medical Professionals. Do you know where it is made ? What is actually in it ?

Be smart, not a idiot and don't take it.

Can't be put simplier then that. Sorry for being blunt.

Indeed, you are right. In fact, let's take it a step further and just say that every THING is dangerous. Because it's true. Walking down the street, driving a car, touching a doorknob. You can die at ANY second, so we should take the right precautions like not being AN idiot (small yet ironic typo in your post) and avoiding germs and other harmful things.

Living isn't about playing it safe. You do realize that just because medical professionals recommend a drug doesn't mean it's safe, right? LSD was recommended by medical professionals for soldiers after Vietnam - doesn't really fit your argument does it? Pharmaceutical companies have run fraud campaigns that end up killing people, because they pay doctors to prescribe certain medications that have undocumented side effects.

Common sense is always important, even more so when you're taking drugs for fun. But avoiding drugs at all costs ruins the fun of being human, and makes you look like a hypocrite because you do things with risk of death every day (unless you live indoors and avoid any contact with the world - it is possible).

OP, there's been some good advice here. You should have a sober friend with you and enjoy yourself - get some good snacks and go outside on a nice day and just chill. It'll most likely be an enjoyable experience.

[Church]

I've never done LSD but what people tell me is a couple things. 1. Be comfortable with your surrounding, if your not your gonna freak the fuck out. 2. Have friends with, one of which is not on LSD to help stop you from doing dumb shit. 3. Stay cool, do not let yourself freak out.

[Nihilus]

EVERY DRUG IS DANGEROUS. Simple.

Every drug is harmful to the human body, if taken wrongly and not reccomended by Medical Professionals. Do you know where it is made ? What is actually in it ?

Be smart, not a idiot and don't take it.

Can't be put simplier then that. Sorry for being blunt.

What he said.

[Josiah7]

Indeed, you are right. In fact, let's take it a step further and just say that every THING is dangerous. Because it's true. Walking down the street, driving a car, touching a doorknob. You can die at ANY second, so we should take the right precautions like not being AN idiot (small yet ironic typo in your post) and avoiding germs and other harmful things.

Living isn't about playing it safe. You do realize that just because medical professionals recommend a drug doesn't mean it's safe, right? LSD was recommended by medical professionals for soldiers after Vietnam - doesn't really fit your argument does it? Pharmaceutical companies have run fraud campaigns that end up killing people, because they pay doctors to prescribe certain medications that have undocumented side effects.

Common sense is always important, even more so when you're taking drugs for fun. But avoiding drugs at all costs ruins the fun of being human, and makes you look like a hypocrite because you do things with risk of death every day (unless you live indoors and avoid any contact with the world - it is possible).

OP, there's been some good advice here. You should have a sober friend with you and enjoy yourself - get some good snacks and go outside on a nice day and just chill. It'll most likely be an enjoyable experience.

Since your so intent on this issue, lets take it another step. Everything has the postential to be dangerous, walking is dangerous but do we have to ? Yes. Eating is dangerous, do we have to ? Yes. Do we have to take a drug that may cause harm in the short or long term. No. Should we ? No. The fact is, LSD is a drug. A drug as anyone in the medical profession would know - it is a chemical substance other then food, which changes the working of the body and/or mind. Are we designed to walk ? Yes. Eat ? Yes. Take a drug non natural, and can be created in dangerous situations and environment ? No.

The fact is its a personal choice. I can sit here and go on about it, but the fact is. Its a drug. All drugs are dangerous. Medical professionals, and me for that matter know the risks with every medication that is perscribed and/or administered. Do we wish to cause harm, no. But it is a type of drug and all drugs are dangerous. Oxygen (02) is a medication - can it be dangerous yes.

Avoiding drugs at all costs. Fun world that would be ... Did I say anything about avoiding drugs at all costs ???? No. To put it quite simply - be safe if/when you do it. If you really need drugs to have fun, then you need help. Be smart, Be Safe.

Saying_alive just think, you say it all well and good to take it, but if someone here does, and something goes wrong - where does that put you. And if you want to take this right down to spelling like a school girl, go ahead - Ill be here to give facts and opinions based on training and knowledge, and try and help people the best I can.

God Bless,

[staying_alive]

Since your so intent on this issue, lets take it another step. Everything has the postential to be dangerous, walking is dangerous but do we have to ? Yes. Eating is dangerous, do we have to ? Yes. Do we have to take a drug that may cause harm in the short or long term. No. Should we ? No. The fact is, LSD is a drug. A drug as anyone in the medical profession would know - it is a chemical substance other then food, which changes the working of the body and/or mind. Are we designed to walk ? Yes. Eat ? Yes. Take a drug non natural, and can be created in dangerous situations and environment ? No.

The fact is its a personal choice. I can sit here and go on about it, but the fact is. Its a drug. All drugs are dangerous. Medical professionals, and me for that matter know the risks with every medication that is perscribed and/or administered. Do we wish to cause harm, no. But it is a type of drug and all drugs are dangerous. Oxygen (02) is a medication - can it be dangerous yes.

Avoiding drugs at all costs. Fun world that would be ... Did I say anything about avoiding drugs at all costs ???? No. To put it quite simply - be safe if/when you do it. If you really need drugs to have fun, then you need help. Be smart, Be Safe.

Saying_alive just think, you say it all well and good to take it, but if someone here does, and something goes wrong - where does that put you. And if you want to take this right down to spelling like a school girl, go ahead - Ill be here to give facts and opinions based on training and knowledge, and try and help people the best I can.

God Bless,

If someone here takes a drug and has a bad reaction, that's life. You prepare for it as best you can but you can't stop the end result. Everyone dies at some point, might as well enjoy the only life you have to the fullest possible extent.

Look, the problem here is that while you address the fact that everyone can choose to do what they please, you act as though you are still somehow better because you choose not to partake in the risk. Furthermore, you push your beliefs on others in a "I'm right just because I watch anti-drug commercials" fashion, and when people do that on these boards it gets me a bit annoyed.

Every single person who comes into the drugs/meds section ranting about how everyone is going to die because drugs are illegal acts as though they're a licensed medical professional. Trust me, you're not the first. Anyone can go online to WebMD, Wiki, etc. and read up on all the bad/evil about drugs.

But the thing you lack, and what you fail to realize you lack, is experience.
There's a reason doctors work 14 hour shifts as interns before getting any real degree; there's a reason lawyers don't jump right into a hot murder trial the second they pass the BAR - experience in the field is required, beyond reading textbooks and memorizing facts.

I don't hate on people who talk against drugs. That is absolutely NOT my intention. I respect anyone who advises against doing a certain thing because they tried it and it didn't turn out well, or because they knew someone who had a negative experience. That is constructive to these threads; someone inquiring about a certain activity can have useful information, rather than someone's opinion that is based on propaganda.

I hate propaganda. Just as the Nazis believed that Jews were the roots of human failure, too many kids today believe that hiding indoors and not experiencing the world is the right way to go - it's the same psychological concept, though the latter is a much less extreme result, but you get the point.

You admitted that someone should be safe if/when they do drugs, and that's what I'm all about. Providing a factual response to someone's question about LSD allows them to do it safely, because their mind is usually already made up about doing it. Unfortunately you added that everyone that uses drugs to have fun is pathetic, but I'll try to ignore that. I've got too many examples of the converse to prove you wrong, and it would take up even more space in this post.

If you're got knowledge/training, please use it to drive your argument against drugs. I'm always open to it. Otherwise, anti-drug propaganda with no backing is the antithesis of helpful in these forums, and not worth posting.

[JackShephard]

I heard that one bad batch of acid can send you on a permanent trip... like forever.

[Josiah7]

@staying_alive

You say if someone takes a drug, and they have a bad effect or it does them harm too bad. Interesting - yes it may be life, but there is no way in hell it should happen to someone. So you also say enjoy life, I take it you mean by taking drugs ? Do you also think that enjoying life is;

1. Driving at high speeds - kill not only yourself, but possible a wife, husband, son, daughter, friend - A another person. All because you want to enjoy life, and people have to die of something, say their spine being ripped out the back of their skull. But hey they need to die of something don't they. This also applies to Alcohol, which is also a drug, a depressant. Is enjoying life by getting pissed (drunk) and driving - come under the context of putting not only yourself in danger, but some innocent person also, in the name of fun.

"you act as though you are still somehow better because you choose not to partake in the risk." Do I consider myself to be better ? No. I consider myself using my extensive knowledge to help others. Do I participate in the risk or using unnecessary drugs ? No. Why?, I know their effects and have the common sense to say no. You go on about how I push my beliefs, but mate - no one asked you to take notice, some might and some don't. Its a personal choice just like taking drugs. Some may want to see the medical side, of it all, instead of reading posts about "I had it last weekend and it was awesome" like you find alot on here. Do I blame the writers of those posts ? No, they do not know well enough to say anything different. Its all to do with drug education. Some just don't know and others may not care. Its up to them. If it annoys you to read opinions, and facts on life - go somewhere else, some people rally want to hear the negative information, not only the positive. Everyone has a right to hear two sides to the issue.

So what if people come in ranting, its their views and should be honored for speaking up. Has it crossed your mind that some of us are trying to help others by supplying what you bluntly despise. Its a long stretch to say you will die from taking drugs. Yes some could quite possibly kill you. Even in one dose. Some may pass and have no effect. Some might cause long term problems, that we don't even know about yet. How do we know what some of the newer drugs do to you, only time will tell. Am I a Doctor No. Do I have experience in medicine, Yes - I do not proclaim myself, nor do others to be doctors, but people trying to hep other people. If that bothers you, cause you wish to have fun on a weekend - thats fine, your opinion. Yes people can go read up about drugs, and its good if they do so. I encourage people to. Are many things "Bad/evil" as you categorize them are true. Like them or not.


Propaganda as you class it, this is far from it, people place their opinions, through experience/careers/knowledge - even if their own opinions branch out from what you don't like - it might be true. Who are we to say that its not. I endorse people to do so. Its free speech and they are entitled to it. Experience, some people including myself do have it. I have mates that have taken rec drugs, Helped people after OD'ing, and cared for sick on a regular basis. Not to mention study and knowledge. Do i consider myself smart ? Not at all, I just hope to use knowledge and experience to help others. Prevention is better then Treatment.

You also say "experience the world" - people do, do they have to take drugs to do that? Not at all. Can they be happy without drugs - Hell Yes. Should they start using for "Fun" No. Health problems, stupidity, and dangers come to mind. They can also experience the world by drink driving, fun hey ? But do you consider killing others, quite possible children as "experiencing the world"?

Will people still take drugs ? Absolutely. And they should be safe in doing so. Because there is no viable option to stop it. We can only hope that education will stop people from making a mistake. I classed them as "needing help" not pathetic - and its true. If you need to take drugs to have fun, you do need exactly that. And you can ignore it until your heart desires.

If im not mistaken, against drugs and "drug propaganda" both have the same objective. Should people stop taking drugs ? Only the non needed ones. There are plenty of things out there that are classed as drugs, but with no effect. They do however have the risk of being dangerous. The point is; Rec drugs are stupid, unhealthy, sometimes deadly and most of the time Illegal. They do not have them Illegal because they got bored and thought it would be cool to see peoples reaction to do it. There has been thousands of studies that say "This drug is unsafe because ...." and keeping people safe is the #1 priority.

Unhelpful you say, well i'm to tired to even go there. I just hope that people know that, taking something that is unnecessary is wrong. It can hurt physically, emotionally, socially. I would like to thank all the inbox messages I have received saying good job with this issue. I would have replied by now. I also welcome the few that disagree with me, more then willing to accept your opinion. Thanks All. Keep em coming.

[Strength]

Are there any dangers associated with LSD?

How long does it last in your system?

What are flashbacks? Are they real?

Is LSD addictive?

Could you please answer these questions for me? Or if someone knows a better place to look into this could they gladly link me to it?


A urine test will detect it for up to 3days to a week, not sure about blood test though.

Yes flash backs are real. ive had them and they arn't as intense as people claim them to be but they are real but ussualy mild and breif.

nope lsd isn't addictive in anyway lol.

take it from me a user of lsd, most stories you hear about lsd are total BS.

the man thinking he was orange juice is a myth started in the 60s.

ive used it before and i garentee you it wont make you go loopey. might make you feel weird phsyically, shake alot, everything will appear wobbly and objects and walls will look like they're breathing and colors will probably change alot and be over-exaggerated but thats about it. any vivid halucintions (seeing things that arn't there) are ussualy quick and over with.

worst thing that can happen on lsd is maybe alot of puking but that doesnt happen to very many people.

also i'd like to add that the people saying you'll harm yourself whilst on it i find that hard to beleive unless you had ALOT of it like an obscene ammount!

whenever ive been on it ive always felt like ive been in control.
the first time i ever did it i dropped two tabs and it ended up being a bad trip but nethertheless i was still in control and aware of what was going on and was in no danger to myself. having a spotter is only good for comfort really. which can be quite helpful during a bad trip and having someone to talk to helps alot if you're scared.
but make sure you find someone ready to sit there and listen to you dribble total nonsense for the next 8-13 hours cus you tend to talk your head off whilst on it.

[Strength]

I heard that one bad batch of acid can send you on a permanent trip... like forever.

i doubt thats possible unless you ingested a thousand micrograms of the stuff but most acid tabs these days are only around 20-100 micrograms so very very unlikely. the only bad batches are the ones that are duds and dont work or like i said earlier, are ones with waayyy too much lsd in them.

[Imaussie]

Yes it may not show its full effects in the short term, but we have to remember that no drug is safe - and every single drug effects different people in different ways.

My mate has taken drugs before and I'm personally very caring for him making sure that he's not abusing him with it. He told me at times that he has seen big blue animated elephants. I think alot about him for his safety and I don't kadon to illegal drugs. I personally take meds for educational problems and that's really it.

By the way do you work for the ADF because from your image.

[Josiah7]

My mate has taken drugs before and I'm personally very caring for him making sure that he's not abusing him with it. He told me at times that he has seen big blue animated elephants. I think alot about him for his safety and I don't kadon to illegal drugs. I personally take meds for educational problems and that's really it.

By the way do you work for the ADF because from your image.

Ill chat with you on your page.

[Spook]

I agree. EVERY drug is dangerous, especially ones that cause HALLUCINATIONS. You know you're doing something bad to your body when that happens. Lol.

~Caitlin (Animal Luverrr)

[staying_alive]

@staying_alive

You say if someone takes a drug, and they have a bad effect or it does them harm too bad. Interesting - yes it may be life, but there is no way in hell it should happen to someone. So you also say enjoy life, I take it you mean by taking drugs ? Do you also think that enjoying life is;

I should've mentioned that I used to be like you. I read up on all this stuff, saw my friends get into drinking and smoking, and I hated it. I was scared for their lives. I called a friend's mom one time and told her what was going on with her daughter who was smoking, drinking, etc. as a freshman in high school. Now as someone who finally threw in the towel and tried this stuff (due to peer pressure), I have a much more experienced opinion than my freshman self.


1. Driving at high speeds - kill not only yourself, but possible a wife, husband, son, daughter, friend - A another person. All because you want to enjoy life, and people have to die of something, say their spine being ripped out the back of their skull. But hey they need to die of something don't they. This also applies to Alcohol, which is also a drug, a depressant. Is enjoying life by getting pissed (drunk) and driving - come under the context of putting not only yourself in danger, but some innocent person also, in the name of fun.

I think you misunderstand why drunk driving occurs. People don't drink a fifth of whiskey and then go out driving for fun - that's called insanity. I don't know anyone who wants to deal with the stresses of driving while they're drunk. Usually drunk driving occurs when someone gets drunk, say at a party, expecting to sleep there, and then the party gets shut down and everyone has to leave. That means the drunk person has to make a decision: drive home or find another means of leaving the party. Obviously I encourage the latter, but more often than not drunk people think it's easier just to drive.

Driving at high speeds is not something I'm a fan of. Driving at safe speeds? Yeah, I do that - that doesn't mean the speed limit determines what is safe. For example, the speedlimit-less autobahn; It's the most logical highway on earth, where humans are trusted to go a safe speed and therefore are much smarter with their driving habits. People can go slow, others can go faster, and everyone gets to where they need to go.

Three friends of mine died last fall when their car crossed the median of a highway and hit an SUV head-on. Three of the best examples of human life I've ever seen, dead within minutes. Everyone has to die at some point; I don't like it, but it just happens that way. Luckily for them, they all lived great lives and didn't spend their 17 or 18 years of life worrying about what was safe or what they should avoid - they just lived to the fullest.


"you act as though you are still somehow better because you choose not to partake in the risk." Do I consider myself to be better ? No. I consider myself using my extensive knowledge to help others. Do I participate in the risk or using unnecessary drugs ? No. Why?, I know their effects and have the common sense to say no. You go on about how I push my beliefs, but mate - no one asked you to take notice, some might and some don't. Its a personal choice just like taking drugs. Some may want to see the medical side, of it all, instead of reading posts about "I had it last weekend and it was awesome" like you find alot on here. Do I blame the writers of those posts ? No, they do not know well enough to say anything different. Its all to do with drug education. Some just don't know and others may not care. Its up to them. If it annoys you to read opinions, and facts on life - go somewhere else, some people rally want to hear the negative information, not only the positive. Everyone has a right to hear two sides to the issue.

I have nothing against the medical side of drugs. Medicine is something that intrigues me - I have the utmost respect for anyone saving human lives and improving my time here on earth, whether I know them personally or not. And I respect you for coming on the board concerned about the OP losing his life; I don't want you to think I have anything personal against you. I just don't like the bias you have that comes from the lack of experience.

See the first sentence of your quote I highlighted. This is what humans commonly refer to as thinking you're better than others. In my case, I've made posts about "doing it last weekend" and I was JUST LIKE YOU less than two years ago; what makes me "not know well enough to say anything different"?. Logically, if you have no experience actually doing something, as I assume is the situation with you, you shouldn't be above those who actually do it and learn from doing it. But I guess we differ in that opinion.


So what if people come in ranting, its their views and should be honored for speaking up. Has it crossed your mind that some of us are trying to help others by supplying what you bluntly despise. Its a long stretch to say you will die from taking drugs. Yes some could quite possibly kill you. Even in one dose. Some may pass and have no effect. Some might cause long term problems, that we don't even know about yet. How do we know what some of the newer drugs do to you, only time will tell. Am I a Doctor No. Do I have experience in medicine, Yes - I do not proclaim myself, nor do others to be doctors, but people trying to hep other people. If that bothers you, cause you wish to have fun on a weekend - thats fine, your opinion. Yes people can go read up about drugs, and its good if they do so. I encourage people to. Are many things "Bad/evil" as you categorize them are true. Like them or not.


I understand that you want to help others, and like I said, I respect that. The world needs people like that. If you look through other posts that I've made in other threads, you'll see that I am not afraid to say "don't do that, it's a really stupid thing to do". However, I always try to have SOMETHING to back it up - a story, a solid piece of evidence, something to show why I am biased.

Whoa, I didn't say I despise facts. Quite the opposite, actually. Facts are the basis of everything in life. However, facts only last as long as no one proves them wrong, and I'm sure you know that proving facts wrong is common. Just like how the government pushed the "weed kills brain cells" movement and now it's legally used as medication. That used to be a fact, and then someone realized that the government had suffocated monkeys with weed smoke to reach the conclusion, and their propaganda was proven wrong. I don't deny that heroin kills, or that LSD is dangerous, but many facts of life that you and I hold true today will be laughed at by the end of our lives.


Propaganda as you class it, this is far from it, people place their opinions, through experience/careers/knowledge - even if their own opinions branch out from what you don't like - it might be true. Who are we to say that its not. I endorse people to do so. Its free speech and they are entitled to it. Experience, some people including myself do have it. I have mates that have taken rec drugs, Helped people after OD'ing, and cared for sick on a regular basis. Not to mention study and knowledge. Do i consider myself smart ? Not at all, I just hope to use knowledge and experience to help others. Prevention is better then Treatment.

I have mates that have taken rec drugs, helped people after OD'ing, and cared for the sick as well; but ya know what, I've also BEEN the one taking rec drugs, the one being cared for (luckily never the one OD'ing). I've seen your bias, I've been biased like you, and then I realized that while that was great, I really needed both sides. So I tried it, and now I'm much less blinded by my "knowledge" because it is countered by experience.


You also say "experience the world" - people do, do they have to take drugs to do that? Not at all. Can they be happy without drugs - Hell Yes. Should they start using for "Fun" No. Health problems, stupidity, and dangers come to mind. They can also experience the world by drink driving, fun hey ? But do you consider killing others, quite possible children as "experiencing the world"?

They don't have to take drugs to experience the world, and they can absolutely be happy without taking them. I addressed drunk driving above, and we both know you're taking the argument too far with drunk driving. It's not a fun activity that people partake in, and you know that's not what I meant by "experiencing the world". However, if no one pushed the boundaries, none of the knowledge you have would exist. LSD wouldn't ever be found, the world would still be considered flat, and there wouldn't be a footprint on the moon. If the world followed your logic, instead of taking a leap of faith, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now because electricity would be that thing that God does when punishing human sin (read: lightning).


Will people still take drugs ? Absolutely. And they should be safe in doing so. Because there is no viable option to stop it. We can only hope that education will stop people from making a mistake. I classed them as "needing help" not pathetic - and its true. If you need to take drugs to have fun, you do need exactly that. And you can ignore it until your heart desires.

You're right, we can only hope for education. It's never failed, it's always correct. I'll leave it at that. "Needing help", when said sarcastically as you did, indicates they are of a lesser ability. Don't act as though that's not what you meant.


If im not mistaken, against drugs and "drug propaganda" both have the same objective. Should people stop taking drugs ? Only the non needed ones. There are plenty of things out there that are classed as drugs, but with no effect. They do however have the risk of being dangerous. The point is; Rec drugs are stupid, unhealthy, sometimes deadly and most of the time Illegal. They do not have them Illegal because they got bored and thought it would be cool to see peoples reaction to do it. There has been thousands of studies that say "This drug is unsafe because ...." and keeping people safe is the #1 priority.


Anything has the possibility of being dangerous - you've already admitted that. The argument about doing dangerous things holds no weight. Stupid, risky, etc. are all valid, but very relative, terms.


Unhelpful you say, well i'm to tired to even go there. I just hope that people know that, taking something that is unnecessary is wrong. It can hurt physically, emotionally, socially. I would like to thank all the inbox messages I have received saying good job with this issue. I would have replied by now. I also welcome the few that disagree with me, more then willing to accept your opinion. Thanks All. Keep em coming.

I wish I could be one of those inbox messages saying good job, because I think you've held up your argument well. I hope that you will reveal your experience that you keep hinting at, because it'd give me a more enlightened view of your opinion. Lastly, I want you to know, once more, that I have nothing personal against you. I see this board as analogous to a courtroom - we're both tearing at each others positions, but at the end of the day we can walk out and move on.

[Josiah7]

Agreed Nothing Personal, more debating the issue then the person. I respect your opinion, as I hope you do the same. I can keep coming back to this issue, but I think my stance, and yours have been made clear. Whatever differences we debate about - its not going to change anything. Later when I get time Ill come back and give a full depth reply to your last, before moving on. Theres others that need help, and I do not think it would be right to stay here - and neglect other problems. Super busy atm, so I will get to the reply later.

[Cap'nCrunch]

EVERY DRUG IS DANGEROUS. Simple.

Every drug is harmful to the human body, if taken wrongly and not reccomended by Medical Professionals. Do you know where it is made ? What is actually in it ?

Be smart, not a idiot and don't take it.

Can't be put simplier then that. Sorry for being blunt.

First off, don't make generalizations like this. The matter just isn't that simple. Secondly, what we call "drugs" are decided largely through politicians. And even though LSD has shown immense potential in psychotherapy and pain management, it has been demonized and research has been halted because of the 1960s counterculture 'hijacking' the drug. So did the drug itself somehow become dangerous and medically useless, or did social perception of the drug become warped and manipulated through politics?

Also, the worst thing that can happen to someone trying to purchase LSD is their getting fake drugs. As in nothing being on the blotter paper. It doesn't work to a drug dealer's advantage to have dead customers or to be selling crappy drugs. Think about it.

And in no way am I condoning the recreational use of this drug. It can precipitate psychotic episodes in the genetically-predisposed and is just plain illegal to possess.

[Josiah7]

First off, don't make generalizations like this. The matter just isn't that simple. Secondly, what we call "drugs" are decided largely through politicians. And even though LSD has shown immense potential in psychotherapy and pain management, it has been demonized and research has been halted because of the 1960s counterculture 'hijacking' the drug. So did the drug itself somehow become dangerous and medically useless, or did social perception of the drug become warped and manipulated through politics?

Also, the worst thing that can happen to someone trying to purchase LSD is their getting fake drugs. As in nothing being on the blotter paper. It doesn't work to a drug dealer's advantage to have dead customers or to be selling crappy drugs. Think about it.

And in no way am I condoning the recreational use of this drug. It can precipitate psychotic episodes in the genetically-predisposed and is just plain illegal to possess.

A drug is a chemical substance that changes the processes of the body or mind, politicians have no say in what is classed as a drug. Sure they can decide if its legal or illegal, but the facts come from people alot smarter. You people have to stop blaming everything on politics. After consulting with a Doctor I know, there have been reported cases worldwide of adverse effects of LSD in particular, they are not uncommon as may think (I was surprised to hear this). However I am not talking about LSD in particular. I am referring to all Rec drugs. Weather they were made in the 60's or ones being made now - there will always be recreational drugs. Is it wrong ? Yes. I do not know why people believe that they are ok to take. Quite simply - they are unnecessary. I can hear it now "This is safe" "This has no effects" "It used to be prescribed" - The fact is, most rec Drugs are Illegal because they harm the body. I don;t know where you live, but here in AUS, if I go to the Emergency Room on a Friday or Saturday night, I would find over half are due to Drug related incidents. I know two doctors and a nurse that work in emergency, and they are sick and tired of all drug related incidents.

The drugs that you consider "Safe", may be. In the short time. But not me, nor you can say what effects some of the newer ones will have long term. LSD is more mental rather then physical. However most drugs are physical - and after seeing multipal OD's up close, I myself am sick of it. People want that extra factor, for more fun. But do not understand the consequences. We have not even gone towards the issue of addiction, but thats another issue.

People seem to have a problem with myself saying that "All drugs are dangerous" and its true. Caffeine is a stimulant, it can be dangerous. Alcohol can be dangerous, its a commonly used depressant. Tobacco is used by millions and its a Depressant/Stimulant. LSD is a hallucinogen, as it affects the bodies perception of reality. These are all drugs and all have the potential to cause harm. Most do. Is that the same as saying that it is guaranteed to have an adverse effect ? Not always. Drinking coffee isn't considered that dangerous, nor is a drink of beer. Can they become dangerous, some quite easily ? Absolutely. And that is my point, some "Drugs" do become dangerous all the time, and it is unnecessary to take them. Why risk yours and other people life. Yes it may be fun. Sure you may enjoy it and want to try it again, but why ? Alot of things are fun and just as good, depending on you are.

Quickly in regards to LSD's legal status, it is Illegal because you cant have people walking around so out of their mind. Its not safe for anyone including themselves. Buy buying any drug, including LSD off a dealer - you are contributing to the risk of killing someone. A long stretch I know - but you give him money, which in return he makes more of a restricted substance - some might kill or severely injure other people. Its a long stretch and I know I will be attacked for it, but I nor do other want to hear it. - but I believe the smarter readers, and the ones who care will understand.

At the end of the day, its a personal choice. People will decide for themselves, we can only do our best to point them in the right direction.

[kezyy]

Don't do it.. it can ruin ur life in many ways!

[Strength]

Don't do it.. it can ruin ur life in many ways!

lol? how? care to elaborate?

[Cap'nCrunch]

A drug is a chemical substance that changes the processes of the body or mind, politicians have no say in what is classed as a drug. Sure they can decide if its legal or illegal, but the facts come from people alot smarter. You people have to stop blaming everything on politics. After consulting with a Doctor I know, there have been reported cases worldwide of adverse effects of LSD in particular, they are not uncommon as may think (I was surprised to hear this). However I am not talking about LSD in particular. I am referring to all Rec drugs. Weather they were made in the 60's or ones being made now - there will always be recreational drugs. Is it wrong ? Yes. I do not know why people believe that they are ok to take. Quite simply - they are unnecessary. I can hear it now "This is safe" "This has no effects" "It used to be prescribed" - The fact is, most rec Drugs are Illegal because they harm the body. I don;t know where you live, but here in AUS, if I go to the Emergency Room on a Friday or Saturday night, I would find over half are due to Drug related incidents. I know two doctors and a nurse that work in emergency, and they are sick and tired of all drug related incidents.

The drugs that you consider "Safe", may be. In the short time. But not me, nor you can say what effects some of the newer ones will have long term. LSD is more mental rather then physical. However most drugs are physical - and after seeing multipal OD's up close, I myself am sick of it. People want that extra factor, for more fun. But do not understand the consequences. We have not even gone towards the issue of addiction, but thats another issue.

People seem to have a problem with myself saying that "All drugs are dangerous" and its true. Caffeine is a stimulant, it can be dangerous. Alcohol can be dangerous, its a commonly used depressant. Tobacco is used by millions and its a Depressant/Stimulant. LSD is a hallucinogen, as it affects the bodies perception of reality. These are all drugs and all have the potential to cause harm. Most do. Is that the same as saying that it is guaranteed to have an adverse effect ? Not always. Drinking coffee isn't considered that dangerous, nor is a drink of beer. Can they become dangerous, some quite easily ? Absolutely. And that is my point, some "Drugs" do become dangerous all the time, and it is unnecessary to take them. Why risk yours and other people life. Yes it may be fun. Sure you may enjoy it and want to try it again, but why ? Alot of things are fun and just as good, depending on you are.

Quickly in regards to LSD's legal status, it is Illegal because you cant have people walking around so out of their mind. Its not safe for anyone including themselves. Buy buying any drug, including LSD off a dealer - you are contributing to the risk of killing someone. A long stretch I know - but you give him money, which in return he makes more of a restricted substance - some might kill or severely injure other people. Its a long stretch and I know I will be attacked for it, but I nor do other want to hear it. - but I believe the smarter readers, and the ones who care will understand.

At the end of the day, its a personal choice. People will decide for themselves, we can only do our best to point them in the right direction.

To say that politicians have no say in what drugs become illegal is completely and utterly stupid and your part. Very naive. And while you have one doctor (medical doctor?) who says LSD is quite dangerous, I can refer you to a ton of literature PROVING that LSD has legitimate use in a para-medical setting.

Also, you've made it very clear to me that you've never taken LSD yourself. You talk about it using your pseudo-intellectual evidence, thinking it would have you "out of your mind." It is terribly unfortunate that you would fight so adamantly against something you know so little about. Also, I know the type of people who would sell LSD; they're not a murderous bunch. They don't deal with dope fiends or meth addicts. You are equating all drugs, saying that they are all harmful and by doing so, you're saying that LSD is roughly as dangerous or harmful as methamphetamine for example. You, sir, are perpetuating an inexactitude. Through your ignorance, you are ultimately harming society by prohibiting research on psychedelic drugs.

[Josiah7]

Too tired to care about this topic anymore people have heard both sides and can draw their own conclusions. THEY DO, can you read this properly ? THEY DO have a say in weather a drug is Legal/Illegal. They DO NOT have the authority to class what is and what is not a drug. Experts offer advice, and the Polies act on it. Its funny how LSD is Illegal, yet you say its unharmful.

Secondly, do not try and impress me with your big words. Makes you look like a real try hard.

Thirdly, I consider myself to have a decent amount of common sense, to to mention real life experiences; not to take rec drugs. Id suggest to you go sit in your ED of a Fri/Sat night, and see what Paramedics/Police/Docs and Nurses have to suffer with due to drugs. Since Im the one against the Rec drugs, and know more about this then you, I believe that you are the one with the little knowledge on the topic.

So you can account for all the dealers in the world. Great Job. So you can tell us for sure that some people who sell LSD, don't sell other drugs ??? Do share.

I will now and have always said ALL DRUGS HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BE DANGEROUS, can you read that or are there too many syllables in the complex sentence ? LSD can be dangerous. Caffeine can be dangerous. Ecstasy can be dangerous. Will some have a very low risk of danger ? YES. Will some have a extremely high risk ? YES. Can you understand this ??? SOME are dangerous. Some do kill. Some to destroy lives. They all CAN BE dangerous.

So prevention of taking dangerous substances is harming society, well "You Sir" do share your idea on how to combat the problem. So you don't wish to stop it, is trying to stop it harming society, give me a break.

Im finished on this issue. My opinion is out there and people can take it, if they so desire. But Im off to help other people through "Harming society" by offering advice to those in need. If you want to continue inbox me, I see no need in continuing to bump this thread. It takes attention away from other threads, and people who need help.

Btw - Another thank you to the inboxes - always happy to answer your questions.

[aperson444]

LSD is a serotonin/dopamine/glutamate receptor agonist. I haven't tried it yet, but I want to. It's not at all dangerous, provided you are in the right setting. Unfortunately, it's very hard to get good papers on LSD because the DEA controls it.

LSD is synthesized by a) hydrolysis of an ergoloid alkaloid and b) a coupling reaction involving phosphorous oxychloride and diethylamine. It's rare to see mimics if you have legitimate dealer, but sometimes I've seen dealers sell DOB or DOC as LSD.

All in all, LSD is extremely safe, the risk of flashbacks are rare. Do it with friends or trusted individuals in a good setting, and it has the potential to create beneficial experiences. Never, EVER do ANY drug without knowing what you're up against first.

[tpzy94]

um yeah its a drug

[Magus]

LSD is a serotonin/dopamine/glutamate receptor agonist. I haven't tried it yet, but I want to. It's not at all dangerous, provided you are in the right setting. Unfortunately, it's very hard to get good papers on LSD because the DEA controls it.

LSD is synthesized by a) hydrolysis of an ergoloid alkaloid and b) a coupling reaction involving phosphorous oxychloride and diethylamine. It's rare to see mimics if you have legitimate dealer, but sometimes I've seen dealers sell DOB or DOC as LSD.

Are you an Organic Chem. undergrad? That's some info you got there, hombre.

Man, I really want to try LSD. I want to feel like I am in the sixties again. Ah, yes. See stuff, hallucinate.

Man, and how is some ugly mug staring at you in a tight dark room will make you less tense and having less chance of bad trips(Even if you trust'em)? That, I don't get.

[aperson444]

Nahhh just bored and motivated. Psychedelics are really great and have a lot of potential. People don't understand that they're not just drugs. Anything can be a drug if it's not used properly.

LSD is something to try, only when you ready

You want someone with you, trust me haha. I've seen people on LSD, holy shit it's crazy. Be in your comfort zone though. The reason you have a bad trip is because of an overactive thalamus freaking out your brain because there's too much new sensory information.

[Strength]

Are you an Organic Chem. undergrad? That's some info you got there, hombre.

Man, I really want to try LSD. I want to feel like I am in the sixties again. Ah, yes. See stuff, hallucinate.

Man, and how is some ugly mug staring at you in a tight dark room will make you less tense and having less chance of bad trips(Even if you trust'em)? That, I don't get.

trust me. when you're on it for the first time, you'll want someone there to talk to.

i know from experience.

[Peace God]

I don't view it as a harmful substance. Yeah, I'm not denying that there's certain dangers but they can be prevented.

I would like to try (and I will eventually) but I think I'll probably like it waaaayyyy too much.

[Cap'nCrunch]

Too tired to care about this topic anymore people have heard both sides and can draw their own conclusions. THEY DO, can you read this properly ? THEY DO have a say in weather a drug is Legal/Illegal. They DO NOT have the authority to class what is and what is not a drug. Experts offer advice, and the Polies act on it. Its funny how LSD is Illegal, yet you say its unharmful.

Secondly, do not try and impress me with your big words. Makes you look like a real try hard.

Thirdly, I consider myself to have a decent amount of common sense, to to mention real life experiences; not to take rec drugs. Id suggest to you go sit in your ED of a Fri/Sat night, and see what Paramedics/Police/Docs and Nurses have to suffer with due to drugs. Since Im the one against the Rec drugs, and know more about this then you, I believe that you are the one with the little knowledge on the topic.

So you can account for all the dealers in the world. Great Job. So you can tell us for sure that some people who sell LSD, don't sell other drugs ??? Do share.

I will now and have always said ALL DRUGS HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BE DANGEROUS, can you read that or are there too many syllables in the complex sentence ? LSD can be dangerous. Caffeine can be dangerous. Ecstasy can be dangerous. Will some have a very low risk of danger ? YES. Will some have a extremely high risk ? YES. Can you understand this ??? SOME are dangerous. Some do kill. Some to destroy lives. They all CAN BE dangerous.

So prevention of taking dangerous substances is harming society, well "You Sir" do share your idea on how to combat the problem. So you don't wish to stop it, is trying to stop it harming society, give me a break.

Im finished on this issue. My opinion is out there and people can take it, if they so desire. But Im off to help other people through "Harming society" by offering advice to those in need. If you want to continue inbox me, I see no need in continuing to bump this thread. It takes attention away from other threads, and people who need help.

Btw - Another thank you to the inboxes - always happy to answer your questions.

I had paragraphs of response ready, but I'm not going to waste my time or risk an infraction over you. Grow up and learn how to spell. That anyone would PM you for personal advice is incomprehensible to me. Sorry for the big words again. I just want so badly to impress people on the internet.

[Neverender]

I don't view it as a harmful substance. Yeah, I'm not denying that there's certain dangers but they can be prevented.

I would like to try (and I will eventually) but I think I'll probably like it waaaayyyy too much.

LSD itself is not dangerous if not taken in twistedly high doses. It's what you do and experience while under is the dangerous part.

[Genghis Khan]

Anything in moderation isn't necessarily dangerous. Just make sure you're in a right state of mind to take it, if you're taking it while being depressed/angry/scared or any other negative emotion you're risking the chance of doing something harmful to yourself or others.