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Jess
April 30th, 2011, 07:47 PM
NATO strike kills Gadhafi's son but leader escapes (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ml_libya)

TRIPOLI, Libya – A NATO missile struck a house in Tripoli where Moammar Gadhafi and his wife were staying on Saturday, missing the Libyan leader but killing his youngest son and three grandchildren, a government spokesman said.

Seif al-Arab Gadhafi was the sixth son of Gadhafi and brother of the better known Seif al-Islam Gadhafi. The younger Gadhafi had spent much of his time in Germany in recent years.

Moammar Gadhafi and his wife were in the Tripoli house of his 29-year-old son, Seif al-Arab Gadhafi, when it was hit by at least one bomb dropped from a NATO warplane, according to Libyan spokesman Moussa Ibrahim.

"The leader himself is in good health," Ibrahim said. "He was not harmed. The wife is also in good health."

On Tuesday, British Defense Minister Liam Fox and U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates told reporters at the Pentagon that that NATO planes were not targeting Gadhafi specifically but would continue to attack his command centers.

Ibrahim said Seif al-Arab had studied at a German university but had not yet completed his studies.

"The attack resulted in the martyrdom of brother Seif al-Arab Gadhafi, 29, and three of the leader's grandchildren," Ibrahim said.

Seif al-Arab "was playing and talking with his father and mother and his nieces and nephews and other visitors when he was attacked for no crimes committed," Ibrahim said.

Journalists taken to the walled complex of one-story buildings in a residential Tripoli neighborhood saw heavy bomb damage. The blast had torn down the ceiling of one building and left a huge pile of rubble and twisted metal on the ground.

Ibrahim said the airstrike was an attempt to "assassinate the leader of this country," which he said violated international law.

Heavy bursts of gunfire were heard in Tripoli after the attack.

Gadhafi had seven sons and one daughter. Seif al-Arab was the youngest son.

The Libyan leader also had an adopted daughter who was killed in a 1986 U.S. airstrike on his Bab al-Aziziya residential compound, which was separate from the area struck on Saturday. That strike came in retaliation for the bombing attack on a German disco in which two U.S. servicemen were killed. The U.S. at the time blamed Libya for the disco blast.

Seif's mother is Safiya Farkash, Gadhafi's second wife and a former nurse.

The fatal airstrike came just hours after Gadhafi called for a mutual cease-fire and negotiations with NATO powers to end a six-week bombing campaign.

In a rambling pre-dawn speech Saturday, Gadhafi said "the door to peace is open."

"You are the aggressors. We will negotiate with you. Come, France, Italy, U.K., America, come to negotiate with us. Why are you attacking us?" he asked.

He also railed against foreign intervention, saying Libyans have the right to choose their own political system, but not under the threat of NATO bombings.

In Brussels, a NATO official said before Saturday's fatal strike that the alliance needed "to see not words but actions," and vowed the alliance would keep up the pressure until the U.N. Security Council mandate on Libya is fulfilled. NATO has promised to continue operations until all attacks and threats against civilians have ceased, all of Gadhafi's forces have returned to bases and full humanitarian access is granted.

The NATO official, who spoke on condition of anonymity according to policy, noted that Gadhafi's forces had shelled Misrata and tried to mine the city's port just hours before his speech.

"The regime has announced cease-fires several times before and continued attacking cities and civilians," the official said.

"All this has to stop, and it has to stop now," the official said.

Rebel leaders have said they will only lay down their arms and begin talks after Gadhafi and his sons step aside. Gadhafi has repeatedly refused to resign.

A rebel spokesman, Jalal al-Galal, called the cease-fire offer a publicity stunt.

"We don't believe that there is a solution that includes him or any member of his family. So it is well past any discussions. The only solution is for him to depart," he said.

Sugaree
April 30th, 2011, 08:48 PM
This needs to end NOW. We're trying stop Gadhafi, not kill his family.

Amnesiac
April 30th, 2011, 09:07 PM
What a fucking mess this is turning into.

Really, this is why interventionist policy doesn't work. It starts off small, with a shallow guarantee of a short mission, and grows into something larger over time.

Magus
May 1st, 2011, 01:34 AM
I see a big Dejavus here, those were unarmed people, Qusai and Oudai were armed, fuck this shit. Oh, thanks NATO, you fucked up this shit, yet again.

Now who is going to be on trial for War crimes? Qaddafi or the NATO?

RadioGuy
May 1st, 2011, 04:23 AM
Well sure it is sad that his grandchildren got killed but at the end of the day, he WAS in the building so they were close to being able to kill him. If they can kill him then the forces that are killing lots and lots of innocent people who want change, will be in trouble. Obviously there will be civilian lives lost due to NATO but a lot less then if NATO hadnt stepped in. I think they are doing well, if they kill Gaddafi then it will mean the beginning of the end of his regime.

Azunite
May 1st, 2011, 05:31 AM
Thanks NATO, now you will be swimming in your own fucking shit.

See that is what happens when someone intervenes. Let people kill each other until they are sick of it and get tired. Eventually one side would gain the upper hand. More Generals would turn renegades since they couldn't in the end stand the massacre of civilians. NATO made things worse.

RadioGuy
May 1st, 2011, 05:49 AM
Thanks NATO, now you will be swimming in your own fucking shit.

See that is what happens when someone intervenes. Let people kill each other until they are sick of it and get tired. Eventually one side would gain the upper hand. More Generals would turn renegades since they couldn't in the end stand the massacre of civilians. NATO made things worse.

That is so far from the truth. Gaddafi was going to basically slaughter the entire town of 700,000 people of Benghazi. That death toll will far far excede that due to NATO.

embers
May 1st, 2011, 07:07 AM
NATO's just trolling now.

Seriously, this war needs to fucking stop.

mrmcdonaldduck
May 1st, 2011, 07:26 AM
they should only have tried to kill gadhafi if they had a clear shot at it, not get collateral damage, hell they shouldnt have tried to kill him at all. Just makes things worse, gives him excuses to critisize the west.

Azunite
May 1st, 2011, 11:17 AM
That is so far from the truth. Gaddafi was going to basically slaughter the entire town of 700,000 people of Benghazi. That death toll will far far excede that due to NATO.

I'll remind you this if the war hops on other countries as well because of NATO's intervention.

NATO's missiles don't use aimbots, they can easily pick off wrong targets. Either halt this operation or send in troops, sweep the area, and leave Libya WITHOUT leaving ANYTHING back.

slappy
May 1st, 2011, 02:35 PM
There is no proof that NATO actually killed him

The only thing they know is that kudofi said this, and you know the track record of him. So until it is confirmed, I'm gonna be sceptical of this.

Iceman
May 1st, 2011, 02:43 PM
There is no proof that NATO actually killed him

The only thing they know is that kudofi said this, and you know the track record of him. So until it is confirmed, I'm gonna be sceptical of this.

What!?

It seems like every time we are in a war we hit the leader's house, killing his family. Always.

slappy
May 1st, 2011, 02:45 PM
What!?

It seems like every time we are in a war we hit the leader's house, killing his family. Always.

It is still an unconfirmed report
Gadhafi has a recerd of lying about big things like that to get his people mad, and it is working

I'm not saying it is untrue, I'm just saying it is still unconfirmed.

UnknownError
May 1st, 2011, 03:24 PM
inb4 World War Three.

slappy
May 1st, 2011, 03:27 PM
inb4 World War Three.

Rules 1-2
Always remember

UnknownError
May 1st, 2011, 03:35 PM
Rules 1-2
Always remember

I never mentioned /b/.

Oopsohshitmofo.

slappy
May 1st, 2011, 04:40 PM
Well, /b/rother
You are banished.

Jess
May 1st, 2011, 07:06 PM
There is no proof that NATO actually killed him

The only thing they know is that kudofi said this, and you know the track record of him. So until it is confirmed, I'm gonna be sceptical of this.

Hm...I haven't really thought of that, that it might be untrue. I kinda doubt it though...

Bougainvillea
May 1st, 2011, 07:24 PM
I never mentioned /b/.

Oopsohshitmofo.

Well, /b/rother
You are banished.

You guys are obviously newfags if you're going to acknowledge each others as /b/rothers outside of /b/.

Plus, you're not even supposed to be talking about the forbidden, unmentionable place here.

I think it's sad that children had to pay with their lives like that. It's not like they had a choice to be born in a family like that.

Spock
May 1st, 2011, 09:13 PM
u no they are just another casualty of war to bad they were so young...maby the dick head will learn now...but the frenchies should have never got involved hi is killing his own people not theirs

Bougainvillea
May 1st, 2011, 09:29 PM
u no they are just another casualty of war to bad they were so young...maby the dick head will learn now...but the frenchies should have never got involved hi is killing his own people not theirs
It's a shame so many people have the mindset of "it's just another person" when it comes to an opposing group of people, despite the fact that we are all human beings, and we are all here.

Murder is murder, even under the cloak of war.

Sugaree
May 3rd, 2011, 05:27 PM
u no they are just another casualty of war

They were human beings that had the same bones, muscles, and organs that you do. They weren't just "another casualty", they were victims of war. It's great to see people taking this attitude towards the opposing force, but when it comes to their troops, it's not "just another" casualty.

maby the dick head will learn now...but the frenchies should have never got involved hi is killing his own people not theirs

So, what then? Do you support the killing of almost an entire population? Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's fucked up. The only reason NATO and other forces are there is to put an end to the useless killing innocent civilians. If all the nations currently involved in Libya were to just not even bother, that would be a massive problem in the progress of human rights. All the citizens of this world are equal in every way. When these people are put under the oppressive rule of an insane dictator who is mindlessly killing his own people, something needs to be done.

Rainstorm
May 3rd, 2011, 05:46 PM
At this rate let's just break out catapults hurl boulders into Libya. They'll be just as effective at killing Gadhfi as all these missiles are.

NATO's been at it for going into 3 months and still haven't managed to kill him, yet manage to kill his family members and other civilians (And don't try to deny there were any civilian deaths.) It's time to end this and back out.