God in the Government

[nwshc]

Who here thinks that the government should have nothing to do with religion? Do you think there should be a truly sereration of church and state?

I think there should be. Like in the pledge. I dont think there should be "under God". I know the government by saying that isnt promoting a certain religion, but they still have it in there.

Thats just my 2 cents.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

i think it is as serparated as it needs to be. i dont think the pledge should be changed, it would be too short

[serial-thrilla]

i agree. and since there is so much christianity in america i dont think it needs to change.

[Anonymous]

christianity, is part of america. of course it shouldnt be changed!!

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

no its not that, thats all for the wrong reason. the pledge shouldnt be changed because thats how it was written, and thats how it stays. you cant just change BC (before christ) because you arent christian. thats how the calendar was developed, and thast the way it will stay. i tink the same goes for the pledge :)

[Waiting]

no its not that, thats all for the wrong reason. the pledge shouldnt be changed because thats how it was written, and thats how it stays. you cant just change BC (before christ) because you arent christian. thats how the calendar was developed, and thast the way it will stay. i tink the same goes for the pledge :)

very good example there..nice one..thumbs up!! :D

[maximan]

no its not that, thats all for the wrong reason. the pledge shouldnt be changed because thats how it was written, and thats how it stays. you cant just change BC (before christ) because you arent christian. thats how the calendar was developed, and thast the way it will stay. i tink the same goes for the pledge :)

It wasn't written like that. The "undergod" was added in the 50s by some president...I dont remember.

[nwshc]

it was?? im gunna check it out...

[nwshc]

It was. I found this on a web site:

His original Pledge read as follows: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and (to*) the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' He considered placing the word, 'equality,' in his Pledge, but knew that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans. [ * 'to' added in October, 1892. ]

Dr. Mortimer Adler, American philosopher and last living founder of the Great Books program at Saint John's College, has analyzed these ideas in his book, The Six Great Ideas. He argues that the three great ideas of the American political tradition are 'equality, liberty and justice for all.' 'Justice' mediates between the often conflicting goals of 'liberty' and 'equality.'

In 1923 and 1924 the National Flag Conference, under the 'leadership of the American Legion and the Daughters of the American Revolution, changed the Pledge's words, 'my Flag,' to 'the Flag of the United States of America.' Bellamy disliked this change, but his protest was ignored.

In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, 'under God,' to the Pledge. The Pledge was now both a patriotic oath and a public prayer.

[Dante]

look, if u dont believe in God, then dont say the pledge simple as that, no one is going to kill u because u dont salute the flag, its a chocie to do so.

[nwshc]

Am i trying to force it down you? No. I was just saying that god shouldnt be in there and i would like to here what other people have to say. Someone said it wasnt writen originally, so i found that to be true and posted it.

Anyway, i just made this because it was getting slow in the debate forum and wanted to stir something up. Everything i said about god being taken out was false. I just wanted to see what other peolple said cuz i know this issue has been in the supreme court a couple of times.

Sorry is i got anyone mad.

[Anonymous]

You can't change the pledge because the nation was built on Christianity, and if you take that out, then why can't you take out the teaching of Evolution at school, or like sdd the Creation into schools?

[nwshc]

The first people here were protestant and as far as i know, i think its a different religion. Correct me if im wrong.

And evolution is backed by scientific evidence, not some made up "there was adam and eve and they started everything" (not trying to offend anyone).

[Anonymous]

[i]For all I know the first people were from Europe "Catholics"(sorry if I mispell that word) when they found America, and therefore went back to their country and brought more people with their beliefs, I may be wrong but thats what I now. (Please remember I'm not yelling or getting mad I'm typing in a friendly debating way =) lol)

Though were are these "evidence" scientist are still missing thousnads of links, and again if the "big bang" theory was true then how was the universe made? Its a really big cycle if you think about it, but I mostly just fall in belief of creation! =) (Please no one get offended I am just saying my beliefs.)

[nwshc]

The people in Plymouth wanted a safe haven so they could practice their own religion. The protestant i think dominated the north for quite some time (except rhode island and connecticutt(sp?)). The ones that were catholic were from jamestown which was before the mayflower i think.

And for the point of the big band, adam and eve subject, im not even going to keep going because it useless cuz no one is relly shur so we will just have to keep that one in the air.

[maximan]

Missing links? Yes. But there arent any missing links in creationism because there are no links in the first place. Your basis for belief is a book that you don't know is true in the least bit. You're just guessing that it's right. Thats why we also don't know if a god exists or if jesus ever did anything incredible (david blaine is so much more incredible :D ).

They teach evolution because there is actual PROOF that it happened. There is just as much proof for creatiionism as for if a fat dog shitted the entire universe out of its ass. So if they teach creationism, they need to teach all-other crackpot therios too. And if you hadn't noticed, they dont teach the big bang in schools because that's simply a scientific guess, there's no proof for it.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

look, if u dont believe in God, then dont say the pledge simple as that, no one is going to kill u because u dont salute the flag, its a chocie to do so.

exactly

[nwshc]

look, if u dont believe in God, then dont say the pledge simple as that, no one is going to kill u because u dont salute the flag, its a chocie to do so.

ugg. If only it was that simple. You know how you have to stand and do the pledge and all that jazz in school? Well if you dont, then they send you to the princaples and you could get suspended and all the mumbo jumbo. I think its totally rediculous. The teachers get all mad at you, then kick you out and is a big to do.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

oops. delete me

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

no, by law you dont have to say the pledge if you dont want to. so sue the school if they kick you out. or better yet just say everything except the god part. i dont believe in god, but i believe and stand up for my country and i dont see why you shouldnt

[nwshc]

I personaly havent done it. But i think that was the issue when the video came out of that teacher yelling at some kid and another kid was video taping it on a camera phone.

I think that was a "respect your country" type of issue. In that case, i think you do have to stand and show respect for your country. Dont quote me on that one tho

[Danny_boi 16]

I think there need to be a separation of church and state, but I'm find with "In God we trust" and "under God"

[Gigablue]

Please don't bump old threads. This one is over 7 years old.