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Old July 18th, 2010, 01:21 AM   #1
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I have debated with many people and gay marriage always seems to be the topic that surprises me the most. I have heard a lot of arguments but i have never heard one that actually made you know sense. I was wondering if any one that opposed it had a reason that would make sense to a atheist.

People that want Gay marriage you can say something if you want


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Old July 18th, 2010, 01:42 AM   #2
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Why should there be a Gay Marriage? In what way would it benefit the gay couple?
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Old July 18th, 2010, 01:54 AM   #3
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Why should there be a Gay Marriage? In what way would it benefit the gay couple?

Well there is the obvious tax reasons and usual things but it comes down to allowing gay couples the same rights that straight people do

"Carla and Miriam fell in love and decided to get married. Last summer they held a lavish ceremony on the coast. All of their friends and family attended. Carla’s dad, a minister, officiated. Miriam’s dad wrote and sang a special song. After the reception, the two headed off to their honeymoon.
When they returned, they felt like a married couple. They moved in together, opened their gifts and started talking about having a baby. Even though, the couple feels committed to each other, they have none of the legal rights that protect other married couples. If Carla becomes ill, Miriam is not guaranteed the right to be with her in the hospital. If Miriam dies, her distant nieces and nephews have more of a claim to her belongings than Carla does. They file “single” on their tax returns and are not allowed to be on each other’s health plans."
http://lesbianlife.about.com/cs/wedd...lgmarriage.htm

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Old July 18th, 2010, 02:29 AM   #4
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thats so sad :/ its like. if your true love was dieing in a hospital bed but you are not allowed to go and see them :'(
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Old July 18th, 2010, 02:37 AM   #5
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I am completely for gay marriage. They should have all of the same benefits that straight couples have. If they want respect, they should get it. If they want to be boring like straight couples, let them.



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Old July 18th, 2010, 03:06 AM   #6
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it should be marriage for all or no marriage for anyone. i believe in equality for everyone.

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Old July 18th, 2010, 03:23 AM   #7
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I'm all for gay marrige..kill all the basterds that don't agree ...
Why should gay couples be frowned upon? Surely, if it was the president who was gay they'd let him marry...

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Old July 18th, 2010, 07:53 AM   #8
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I was wondering if any one that opposed it had a reason that would make sense to a atheist.
I'm still waiting to hear Julia Gillard's better reasoning for this.
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Old July 18th, 2010, 09:16 AM   #9
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I have nothing against gay marriage. gender should not matter. gay couples should have the same rights as straight couples.
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kill all the basterds that don't agree ...
Woah man. That's not cool.

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Why should gay couples be frowned upon? Surely, if it was the president who was gay they'd let him marry...
No they wouldn't. It's not recognized as a valid marriage by law, and I don't see why they'd make an exception for the president. Though to be fair, by the time we see a gay president, it will probably already have been legalized everywhere.

Myself? I think marriage on the whole is dumb, but it's a bond that comes with certain legal rights, and I'm all for anyone, regardless of gender, having access to those rights.
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Old July 18th, 2010, 01:36 PM   #11
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What's the point of marriage? Does it benefit a couple in any way? They can still live together and do whatever they want. It does not open up any new rights to the couple, and in the end it's just pointless. Can someone please state the exact reason for marriage? I think I know it but I'm not posative so I would like the exact definition. In fact, I'll look it up.


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Old July 18th, 2010, 01:40 PM   #12
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Note: there is no legal point to marriage! It gives no benefits, and it does not allow for anything. It's just a pointless ceremony that is not necessary. Some think it brings couples closer together, but in reality that's just a psuedo affect and yeah I see no point. So someone gets married, they have a party. That's it. I personally have no true standing when it comes to this situation but I think I'll play the devil's advocate.


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It does not open up any new rights to the couple, and in the end it's just pointless.
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there is no legal point to marriage! It gives no benefits, and it does not allow for anything.
Congratulations! You know abso-fucking-lutely nothing about marriage.

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Old July 18th, 2010, 01:56 PM   #14
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thtz jst so unfair they shud see pplz equal weither u gay or str8 they shudnt make any difference and they shud give pplz the right 2 chose who they want 2 marry or spend their life with!!!!!!!

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Woops...next time I'll Wikipedia it before looking it up in the dictionary. My bad.

So there are alot of extra rights in marriage. Then I would support it. Based on what I have been told (teachers, grandparents, friends, etc.) and what it said in the dictionary, there didn't seem to be any true point to marriage.

Thanks for breaking it to me easily.


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thtz unfair y cnt gay pplz chose hu they want 2 be with and hu they want 2 marry or spend their life with y do they treat pplz in a different way gay pplz r humans to!!! they got feelings and they got hearts so y dnt they just make the same law 4 gay pplz and str8 pplz y do they care????? itz not their life!

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So there are alot of extra rights in marriage. Then I would support it. Based on what I have been told (teachers, grandparents, friends, etc.) and what it said in the dictionary, there didn't seem to be any true point to marriage.
From a social standpoint I would agree that marriage is a stupid, antiquated institution that doesn't prove anything to anyone. Legally, however, it gives numerous rights and benefits to the couple involved, and so I feel these rights must extend to all citizens.
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Yeah I have to admit I never knew anything about these rights. Now that I know about them, it's completely changed my whole standpoint on the matter. I was never truely pro or against before, but now I have seen the error in my ways. Thank you.


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Gay marriage is legal in Spain

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How about scraping marriage as a legal institution on the whole, and giving anyone civil unions? That'd work.

Leave marriage to religion, and let civil unions convey all the rights legal marriages do now.

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