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Old October 25th, 2009, 05:33 PM   #1
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okay so this is something that really reallly reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllly pisses me off
in the self harm calender i see people saying 20 deep OR 20 medium or 20 Shallow

but how do we know what they class as deep
its does make a difference when we think that they mean the same as what we assume they mean

for me i class deep as you should need medical attention/to apply pressure because it wont stop on its own

medium it bleeds a fair bit but will eventually stop on its own

and shallow just either a scratch or only just breaks the skin and stops after a short while

but ive seen people say stuff like 20 deep daily. how would you manage to be getting stitches that often without alert being raised or something being done about it? And how would you manage to still cause damage while your bleeding excessively and then tending to multiple wounds at once without passing out and getting blood everywhere?

To me it seems to be that its more bragging rights than logging the damage.
And im aware that some of you may get offended by this
dont know how its offensive as its jsut a query but hey ho.

So, what do you classify as "shallow," "medium," or "deep"?

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Old October 25th, 2009, 05:38 PM   #2
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Calum, i have thought the exact same thing.
I think people scale it differently.

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Old October 25th, 2009, 05:46 PM   #3
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I personally see 'deep' as a cut that will leave a permanent scar. I see medium as one that will leave a scar for a few months.
And shallow is one that is basically a scratch or a scrape, it won't leave any scar.

But naturally everyones view of this will change, the people who are hardcore cutters and the people who have only started cutting will obviously have totally different views on which cuts are "deep" and which cuts are not.

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Old October 25th, 2009, 05:49 PM   #4
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I know you and I have already discussed this, Calum, but I agree. That's how I wound define it, too. If a "deep" cut isn't sorta serious, what is?

*Shallow is like falling off of your bike into a bush and getting scratched up a little, or accidentally nicking yourself while shaving. This doesn't leave a permanent mark unless you pick at the scab constantly and don't let it heal properly. Any scars left from these types of wounds tend to fade with time until they're not visible unless you know they're there (or not visible at all).
*Medium bleeds, but stops on its own in a fairly reasonable amount of time. It may or may not scar depending on the person and whether it gets infected/isn't allowed to heal very well, but the scar won't be super nasty.
*Deep requires you to apply pressure or to get stitches in order to stop the bleeding, it won't stop when just left to it's own devices. A deep wound may eventually stop on its own, but it will have continued to bleed steadily for too long beforehand, and will then have proceeded to continue to ooze/weep for a while before stopping entirely. Deep wounds are serious wounds, and they do tend to scar.

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Old October 25th, 2009, 05:58 PM   #5
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I dont feel all that qualified to argue what is a deep cut or not, but I just hope to god you wont turn this into some kind of competition. "My cuts deeper than yours". Please dont.
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Old October 25th, 2009, 06:05 PM   #6
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well its been said, Its about scale. What some people classify as deep some may classify as medium, and vice versa, It comes down to the person typing and how they judge it I suppose.
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Old October 25th, 2009, 06:07 PM   #7
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I don't even know why that sell harm calendar is up.
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I know you and I have already discussed this, Calum, but I agree. That's how I wound define it, too. If a "deep" cut isn't sorta serious, what is?

*Shallow is like falling off of your bike into a bush and getting scratched up a little, or accidentally nicking yourself while shaving. This doesn't leave a permanent mark unless you pick at the scab constantly and don't let it heal properly. Any scars left from these types of wounds tend to fade with time until they're not visible unless you know they're there (or not visible at all).
*Medium bleeds, but stops on its own in a fairly reasonable amount of time. It may or may not scar depending on the person and whether it gets infected/isn't allowed to heal very well, but the scar won't be super nasty.
*Deep requires you to apply pressure or to get stitches in order to stop the bleeding, it won't stop when just left to it's own devices. A deep wound may eventually stop on its own, but it will have continued to bleed steadily for too long beforehand, and will then have proceeded to continue to ooze/weep for a while before stopping entirely. Deep wounds are serious wounds, and they do tend to scar.
What Jessi says is true..

okay so for me.

Deep is a cut that won't stop bleeding in the first 24 hours and needs urgent hospital treatment and such, if it's deep it is also a scar that stays forever.

Medium is a cut that bleeds for a while and that may but not always require certain treatment, but it stops bleeding quite soon. It only leaves a scar that in time will fade. But again if you can see a gap of let's say little finger wide that's deep.

Shallow is a a surface cut simple as, something that will fade I like a week or a few days.
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Old October 25th, 2009, 06:19 PM   #9
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I've never cut myself intensionally deep enough that it would cause a hospital visit but most of my cuts are permanent scars in fact some are almost a year old.

Shallow: Just a scratch that brings up a few drops of blood.

Medium: Where you start to see the white flesh a little bit and it bleeds for up to 30 or 45 minutes.

Deep: When it hurts for days and it's bleeding for more than an hour. It looks disgusting and it's more prone to diseases so if you do a lot of them you will HAVE to seek medical attention or you will be fucked up.

But meh that's just me. I don't remember the last time I said how deep my cuts were on the s/h calendar because to me a cut is a cut and it does just as much pain emotionally no matter how deep it is.
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Old October 25th, 2009, 06:38 PM   #10
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i'd call it deep if you should go to the hospital for it.

for me i can't use how much it bleeds/scars as a judge. everything scars, and i bleed a supprising amount for relativly shallower breaks in skin.

I'd have to argue "shallow" being barely breaking skin. I don't even count that.

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I actually agree with you Calum. I wouldn't post in there, I don't see the point. I'd also define deep as quite a bit of blood and often needs medical attention.

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Old October 25th, 2009, 07:12 PM   #12
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To me it seems to be that its more bragging rights than logging the damage.
Psh, that's the whole purpose of the thread. That's why everyone posts in it. Why the hell no one's realised they're doing that is beyond me.

If people were cutting themselves deeply as much as they claim, they would have lost way too much blood. I'd be interested to see what the cuts actually look like. Probably got scratched by their cats half the time.

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Old October 25th, 2009, 07:16 PM   #13
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Psh, that's the whole purpose of the thread. That's why everyone posts in it. Why the hell no one's realised they're doing that is beyond me.

If people were cutting themselves deeply as much as they claim, they would have lost way too much blood. I'd be interested to see what the cuts actually look like. Probably got scratched by their cats half the time.

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I wouldn't think the cuts would look like scratches from a cat but merely instead people not judging right, and I use the thread for telling someone if I had self harmed without saying it to there face.
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I wouldn't think the cuts would look like scratches from a cat but merely instead people not judging right, and I use the thread for telling someone if I had self harmed without saying it to there face.
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Old October 26th, 2009, 11:30 AM   #15
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Back in the day that thread was helpful. Is it still? I dunno, I try not to go into it because of urges.

To me, deep is gaping. To me, when you cut if you see a moderate gap, that it deep. Everyone is different for what they consider deep, that partly depends on how much, long, and/or severe you cut.

Medium is a very small gap and shallow is a faint cut. A shallow cut to me is dragging a razor down your arm without any force.



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1-2mm shallow
3-4mm medium
6-7mm deep
8mm+ too deep,

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Old October 26th, 2009, 01:14 PM   #17
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1-2mm shallow
3-4mm medium
6-7mm deep
8mm+ too deep,
... how do you go about measuring that
you can hardly just stab a ruler in there and see where the blood comes to...

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Old October 26th, 2009, 01:20 PM   #18
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I agree it's difficut to gage but one can use ones own judgment to certain extent.

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Old October 26th, 2009, 01:22 PM   #19
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not really for tiny measurements
and tbh if i have blood leaking out of my arm im not gonna exactly try to find out/remember the exact depth....

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Old October 26th, 2009, 01:38 PM   #20
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Well some people aren't pancked by blood and if you can't see the cut of the good old red stuff- it's usally deep, I usally judge by the blood stain on the knife if I'm honest.

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