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Old March 13th, 2015, 06:07 AM   #1
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Some of the older members here may remember me, but most of you won't.

I suffered from eating disorders for many years in my early teens, but have been ED "free" as it where for the best part of 3 years now. Since then I put on a huge amount of weight, and became heavier than I had ever been which really started to bother me the last few months. This wasn't disordered thinking though, my BMI was 24, so I was almost classes as overweight, so to want to loose a bit isn't disordered thinking.

So for the last week i've been dieting, i've been counting calories like I used too, which again I want to point out isn't disordered because i'm not restricting to even nearly the same lows I was during my ED.

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I've lost weight really quite rapidly and i've also found myself beginning to struggle to eat the amount of calories I should be on this "diet" I'm still eating 3 meals a day and snacks in between and i'm not feeling hungry, but I know from previous experience that the amount I am eating is not really a safe amount.

I don't feel like i'm becoming as obsessive as I was before, and I feel that I can think straightly about my weight and diet that I couldn't when I was younger, so in that respect I think i'm fine. But i'm also a bit worried at the rapid weight loss and the inability to eat enough. I don't really know what i'm asking here...

I suppose my question is, now i'm beyond my ED how can I get a body I am happy with, diet safely and remain sane. How can i make sure I don't fall back? And please don't say don't diet because i'm in a much better place than I was a few years ago and should be allowed too have the body I want...

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Old March 13th, 2015, 10:59 AM   #2
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I'm not an expert at all but ask for support and advice or have a weight which you want to go no lower than and stay above it.


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Old March 17th, 2015, 04:45 PM   #3
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You are definitely allowed to have a body that you want.

Perhaps you should try the Paleo Diet (that's what I do).

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Old March 18th, 2015, 09:57 PM   #4
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Oh hey Kathy. Long time no see (on VT anyway).

Anyway, I'm kinda in the same position where I've been ED free for awhile but put on a lot of weight, partially due to medications and health issues. And yeah, it's really frustrating to find a way to lose weight again without falling back again.

I don't have a solution but I dunno, I'm considering speaking to my doctor? Not my psychiatrist, because I don't feel like getting grilled with questions, but my regular doctor. Just for advice on better habits to get into and, personally, how I can get around my personal obstacles keeping me from doing things like working out and whatnot. I'm not even mentioning my old ED because I'm fairly certain I can stay healthy, I just want the professional advice and... just as a back up, have someone in the know? So if the ED does come back, I have a doctor I can run to if needed.

Not sure if that's a suggestion you might be able to use but I figure it might be worth a shot. It is really hard. My biggest problem has been that since I've put on a lot of weight, I'm hungrier than usual so even portion control is an issue because I feel like I'm hungry all the time. Best of luck and if you find out a good way, let me know. You should definitely have the body you want and maybe the best way is to remember that you want the body but you don't want the misery that comes with an eating disorder and aim towards that.

That made so little sense...
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Old March 19th, 2015, 11:55 AM   #5
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Oh hey Kathy. Long time no see (on VT anyway).

Anyway, I'm kinda in the same position where I've been ED free for awhile but put on a lot of weight, partially due to medications and health issues. And yeah, it's really frustrating to find a way to lose weight again without falling back again.

I don't have a solution but I dunno, I'm considering speaking to my doctor? Not my psychiatrist, because I don't feel like getting grilled with questions, but my regular doctor. Just for advice on better habits to get into and, personally, how I can get around my personal obstacles keeping me from doing things like working out and whatnot. I'm not even mentioning my old ED because I'm fairly certain I can stay healthy, I just want the professional advice and... just as a back up, have someone in the know? So if the ED does come back, I have a doctor I can run to if needed.

Not sure if that's a suggestion you might be able to use but I figure it might be worth a shot. It is really hard. My biggest problem has been that since I've put on a lot of weight, I'm hungrier than usual so even portion control is an issue because I feel like I'm hungry all the time. Best of luck and if you find out a good way, let me know. You should definitely have the body you want and maybe the best way is to remember that you want the body but you don't want the misery that comes with an eating disorder and aim towards that.

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No it made sense to me Jo,

Problem with doctors here because it's not private like elsewhere is that your GP always has your medical history. My doctor will always know i've had an ED so I will still get the grilling of lots of questions.

It's so difficult to know what crosses the line of what's healthy and what's not. Obviously dieting requires some restriction but when is it too much?

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Some of the older members here may remember me, but most of you won't.

I suffered from eating disorders for many years in my early teens, but have been ED "free" as it where for the best part of 3 years now. Since then I put on a huge amount of weight, and became heavier than I had ever been which really started to bother me the last few months. This wasn't disordered thinking though, my BMI was 24, so I was almost classes as overweight, so to want to loose a bit isn't disordered thinking.

So for the last week i've been dieting, i've been counting calories like I used too, which again I want to point out isn't disordered because i'm not restricting to even nearly the same lows I was during my ED.

BUT

I've lost weight really quite rapidly and i've also found myself beginning to struggle to eat the amount of calories I should be on this "diet" I'm still eating 3 meals a day and snacks in between and i'm not feeling hungry, but I know from previous experience that the amount I am eating is not really a safe amount.

I don't feel like i'm becoming as obsessive as I was before, and I feel that I can think straightly about my weight and diet that I couldn't when I was younger, so in that respect I think i'm fine. But i'm also a bit worried at the rapid weight loss and the inability to eat enough. I don't really know what i'm asking here...

I suppose my question is, now i'm beyond my ED how can I get a body I am happy with, diet safely and remain sane. How can i make sure I don't fall back? And please don't say don't diet because i'm in a much better place than I was a few years ago and should be allowed too have the body I want...
I think you have answered your own question -

"but I know from previous experience that the amount I am eating is not really a safe amount."

I can understand how difficult this can be but if you feel it is not right and not safe then maybe seek help now maybe to you can realise what you want is not safe nor realistic. If you feel then the GP is not the right place then are there alternatives.
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Old March 19th, 2015, 12:19 PM   #7
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I think you have answered your own question -

"but I know from previous experience that the amount I am eating is not really a safe amount."

I can understand how difficult this can be but if you feel it is not right and not safe then maybe seek help now maybe to you can realise what you want is not safe nor realistic. If you feel then the GP is not the right place then are there alternatives.
The problem is i'm not purposefully restricting to amounts that aren't safe, just some days i'm not hitting my targets and i'm eating below them. My targets are realistic and safe i'm just somehow, by accident, making them unsafe. On other days i'm eating well above them. Although I say eating well above them, it's only ever days that i'm drinking that put me over, but even so during my ED I never drank purely because it had so many calories.

And what alternatives would that be?

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imo... You should post a picture.

BMI isn't a great measure for anything.

Also be aware.. Eeating Disorders are a direct result of distorted self-imaging. I sincerely doubt you are 100% over the distortion that led you to the ED in the first place.

I think you need to rationalise a lot of it and just get a clear image of what is ''generally'' considered healthy & attractive looking

And... Don't diet! The very act of dieting I think is a very masochistic thing to do, especially for women who are by nature usually far more self conscious about their body than men.

Your lifestyle needs to be one that keeps you at your desired weight daily.

Also what is healthy in terms of minimum daily calory requirements is very easy to find with just a quick google search...

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No it made sense to me Jo,

Problem with doctors here because it's not private like elsewhere is that your GP always has your medical history. My doctor will always know i've had an ED so I will still get the grilling of lots of questions.

It's so difficult to know what crosses the line of what's healthy and what's not. Obviously dieting requires some restriction but when is it too much?
Actually yeah, not sure where my brain was because here it's the same. Still, maybe approaching a doctor is still the best idea. Explain you just want to get back to a point where you're healthy but you feel more comfortable and ask for help doing it in a safe manner. Just an idea.

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Also be aware.. Eeating Disorders are a direct result of distorted self-imaging. I sincerely doubt you are 100% over the distortion that led you to the ED in the first place.

I think you need to rationalise a lot of it and just get a clear image of what is ''generally'' considered healthy & attractive looking

And... Don't diet! The very act of dieting I think is a very masochistic thing to do, especially for women who are by nature usually far more self conscious about their body than men.

Your lifestyle needs to be one that keeps you at your desired weight daily.

Also what is healthy in terms of minimum daily calory requirements is very easy to find with just a quick google search...
First off, no one is ever over the distortion of an ED. It's not something that ever goes away even if you can live most days sorta okay with things.

Second, I think you're mistaking the word 'diet' with 'fad diet'. A diet is anything from cutting out carbs or gluten to just eating more vegetables. Your diet is what you eat, not how much you eat or starving yourself because you want to lose weight or saw something in a magazine. So telling women "oh don't diet, it's masochistic, you're beautiful as you are" literally makes no sense. I'm dieting by cutting sugar out of my diet and adding more iron. That's not a "fad diet", that's for my own health and it is considering going on a 'diet' because I'm making changes to how I usually eat. Sure, it's partially to lose unhealthy weight I've put on but it's also to raise my iron levels because I'm practically anaemic.

(Also, we're not more self-conscious 'by nature'. That implies we're born that way. No one is born self-conscious, we're like that because of society and everyone telling us what we can and cannot do with our bodies.)

So sorry, doing a bit of myth-busting here. Your lifestyle includes your diet so going on a diet is just as effective as long as you're doing so safely.

Also, Google is the worst place to find the minimum number of calories you should eat. Some say 1000 or 1200 minimum but the thing is, it depends on your body type, your metabolism, etc. Again, best idea really is to go to a doctor or nutrition specialist as much as it sucks.

Some gyms offer healthy eating seminars too to encourage those who are trying to work out to also change their eating habits at home when they're not in the gym. You might look up something like that? Also some pharmacies here offer healthy dietary advice, such as what vitamins and minerals can help you with certain things. You can usually just go up to the counter and ask them for a quick opinion.
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First off, no one is ever over the distortion of an ED. It's not something that ever goes away even if you can live most days sorta okay with things.
No need to get so defensive, never said or claimed anyone could your initial post just made it seem to me like you were saying you were.

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Second, I think you're mistaking the word 'diet' with 'fad diet'. A diet is anything from cutting out carbs or gluten to just eating more vegetables. Your diet is what you eat, not how much you eat or starving yourself because you want to lose weight or saw something in a magazine. So telling women "oh don't diet, it's masochistic, you're beautiful as you are" literally makes no sense. I'm dieting by cutting sugar out of my diet and adding more iron. That's not a "fad diet", that's for my own health and it is considering going on a 'diet' because I'm making changes to how I usually eat. Sure, it's partially to lose unhealthy weight I've put on but it's also to raise my iron levels because I'm practically anaemic.
I assumed you meant diet as 80% mean it. A temporary change in your eating habbits.

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(Also, we're not more self-conscious 'by nature'. That implies we're born that way. No one is born self-conscious, we're like that because of society and everyone telling us what we can and cannot do with our bodies.)
To be self-conscious is to be self aware. I am not entirely sure if women are more self aware than men biologically so 'by nature' is a mis-representation

And I agree with you on the problem - it's sadly an exponentially growing one.



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Also, Google is the worst place to find the minimum number of calories you should eat. Some say 1000 or 1200 minimum but the thing is, it depends on your body type, your metabolism, etc. Again, best idea really is to go to a doctor or nutrition specialist as much as it sucks.
First off if you are going to myth bust then don't ever use the phrase ''body type'' - this is one of the worst myths that seems to make some sense so it never dies.

Idk where you find 1000 or 1200 but calculating your BMR is a fairly accurate baseline, far more accurate than judging anything based off BMI (imo), if your metabolism is much more active or slower than usual then you have to adjust based on your own observations - which isn't too hard to do if you have an accurate idea of your calory intakes.

You can find anything on google, just have to look for it and be able to discern the bullshit/mis-informed information from the good information.

Anyway I didn't post here to start arguing with you - I simply wanted to express perhaps in a veiled manner that I can't take your evaluations of your own body without a pinch of salt due to your history.

Going to a doctor or another relevant health professional would definitely be the wisest thing to do. I'm not too sure which professional would be the best to see so maybe starting off at your GP would be the best since they can usually point you in the right direction.

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Old March 21st, 2015, 08:42 AM   #11
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Some gyms offer healthy eating seminars too to encourage those who are trying to work out to also change their eating habits at home when they're not in the gym. You might look up something like that? Also some pharmacies here offer healthy dietary advice, such as what vitamins and minerals can help you with certain things. You can usually just go up to the counter and ask them for a quick opinion.
Gyms here are extortionate being in London, besides I can't even use a gym because of joint problems that mean I can't put any impact on them. I'm having an MRI on them this week though so maybe if they find out what's going on and sort it that won't be a problem.

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I simply wanted to express perhaps in a veiled manner that I can't take your evaluations of your own body without a pinch of salt due to your history.
We bought new scales that also told you your body fat percentage. Mine was just in the too high band, so I'm not just using my BMI :/ I've managed to ignore body distortion for years, but when your faced with objective numbers that all point to you being overweight or almost overweight it's a bit different.

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We bought new scales that also told you your body fat percentage. Mine was just in the too high band, so I'm not just using my BMI :/ I've managed to ignore body distortion for years, but when your faced with objective numbers that all point to you being overweight or almost overweight it's a bit different.
Why are you so concerned with numbers? In a perfect world people would look in the mirror and if they like what they see that would be it. If you look in the mirror do you see yourself as overweight? I know this is in a way a pointless question since the distortion we have with our body image is constant... But hopefully you get what I mean.

The thing with all of these numbers, BMIs, body fat % etc is that they aren't universal. Someone with a 15% body fat might visually look chubby because of the way their body stores fat compared to someone with the same % who doesn't look chubby at all just because their body stores the fat more evenly.

If you have joint problems are you still allowed to swim?

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Why are you so concerned with numbers? In a perfect world people would look in the mirror and if they like what they see that would be it. If you look in the mirror do you see yourself as overweight? I know this is in a way a pointless question since the distortion we have with our body image is constant... But hopefully you get what I mean.

The thing with all of these numbers, BMIs, body fat % etc is that they aren't universal. Someone with a 15% body fat might visually look chubby because of the way their body stores fat compared to someone with the same % who doesn't look chubby at all just because their body stores the fat more evenly.

If you have joint problems are you still allowed to swim?
But they're a fairly good indicator of how healthy you are. Like I said, the purpose of this thread was not for people to tell me not too loose weight!

And yes, I swim twice a week.

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Dude, quit being patronizing. People with EDs are not incapable of seeing that they are unhealthy in one way or another after recovering. Gaining weight and eating a lot is only good if you're not building a problem in the opposite direction. It's actually VERY common for someone with an ED to go from underweight to overweight. If Kathy's concerned, she's allowed to be without having people go "but your thinking is OBVIOUSLY distorted so you don't need to lose weight". Rather than talk her out of it when she's expressed that's not the purpose of the thread and she's looking for a healthy approach, maybe start offering suggestions. You're not actually helping otherwise, okay?
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Dude, quit being patronizing. People with EDs are not incapable of seeing that they are unhealthy in one way or another after recovering. Gaining weight and eating a lot is only good if you're not building a problem in the opposite direction. It's actually VERY common for someone with an ED to go from underweight to overweight. If Kathy's concerned, she's allowed to be without having people go "but your thinking is OBVIOUSLY distorted so you don't need to lose weight". Rather than talk her out of it when she's expressed that's not the purpose of the thread and she's looking for a healthy approach, maybe start offering suggestions. You're not actually helping otherwise, okay?
I'm not patronizing anyone. I'm really starting to think there really is no question in this thread. Or I'm just not getting this direction. Thread is posted in the Psych Ward under the ED forum not in Sports and Fitness where I expect a purely nutritional question thread to be.

I am sorry if I came off in the wrong way I didn't mean to patronize anyone my first reaction was just of concern because of where the thread was posted and the way it came off to me in the beginning, what followed was poor conduct on my behalf - instead of arguing I should've asked specific questions to start with again I am sorry for that.

Reading it again I'll say that self image & body image take years to form and are constantly changing I think if you acknowledge this and look at your own body & weight rationally with the help of some medical standards such as the BMI I dread so and your body fat %... You should be able to stay on the right path, so to speak, self assessment is key as well anyone who has ever had any kind of mental issues i.e eating disorders, anxiety, depression etc can recognize when the symptoms or really bad times start creeping back in which case it's time to seek professional help again.

Any kind of serious mental illness requires life long management.

About nutrition & the op @Fiction

What exactly is your weight & what is your current target intake and daily activity levels? What is your diet like right now (by this I mean dietary composition & macros)? What are your goals?

Give me this information and I'll try to give some of my own advice based on experience & what I've read on nutrition.

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Weight Loss Tips
--Drink more water--
--Increase your protein intake--
--Eat Negative calorie food --
--Eat slowly--
--Cut down the sugar intake---
--Do not skip meals--
--Eat breakfast everyday --
--Eat smaller, more frequent meals--
--Exercise (Aerobics and Strength Training)
--Interval Training - great way to boost metabolism--
--Replace white rice, bread, and pasta with brown rice and whole-grain products—
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