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Old October 19th, 2014, 07:34 PM   #1
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I seriously don't get it. I feel like people should have the right to kill themselves if they so wish. It's not like they're hurting anybody, it's a victimless crime, in fact! Even though I'm sure everyone will disagree. I think it's selfish to try and stop somebody from killing themselves. It's their choice! If they're dead, they won't be able to feel pain or work for like 10 cents an hour. I also found out that they're building a suicide net on the Golden Gate bridge. Looks like I'm gonna have to bring a blow torch with me when I jump off of there...
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Old October 19th, 2014, 07:56 PM   #2
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A victimless crime? Are you kidding me?? Do you even KNOW what the aftermath of a suicide is?

Someone who loves the victim will most likely find their body, or some other innocent person.

Why is this it a big deal if it's some rando who doesn't even know them? SUICIDE IS GRAPHIC. DEATH, GRAPHIC.

There's a reason some people go into therapy after finding murder victims. Suicides can be just as bad.

Now imagine if you LOVE the person who is now a mangled corpse in front of you?

You also have to plan all these events so that they can be properly taken care of while you're still in shock and grief. People will judge you, and say awful things about you, and this person you love because suicide is so heavily misunderstood and stigmatized. Look at what happened to Zelda Williams after her father committed suicide this year. (Zelda is the daughter of the late comedian and actor Robin Williams, if you weren't already aware.)

When someone commits suicide, they leave a lot of people hurt, angry, frustrated, traumatized. People blame themselves, others. It can tear families apart.

Suicide is a complex topic, and there is a lot of grey area, because there are SOME instances that suicide is justifiable, at least in my opinion. Like when someone is terminally ill, therefore already dying, as a way to shorten suffering.

Suicide is MANY things, but victimless? Suicide is hardly any less victimless than homicide.


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Old October 19th, 2014, 08:00 PM   #3
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A victimless crime? Are you kidding me?? Do you even KNOW what the aftermath of a suicide is?

Someone who loves the victim will most likely find their body, or some other innocent person.

Why is this it a big deal if it's some rando who doesn't even know them? SUICIDE IS GRAPHIC. DEATH, GRAPHIC.

There's a reason some people go into therapy after finding murder victims. Suicides can be just as bad.

Now imagine if you LOVE the person who is now a mangled corpse in front of you?

You also have to plan all these events so that they can be properly taken care of while you're still in shock and grief. People will judge you, and say awful things about you, and this person you love because suicide is so heavily misunderstood and stigmatized. Look at what happened to Zelda Williams after her father committed suicide this year. (Zelda is the daughter of the late comedian and actor Robin Williams, if you weren't already aware.)

When someone commits suicide, they leave a lot of people hurt, angry, frustrated, traumatized. People blame themselves, others. It can tear families apart.

Suicide is a complex topic, and there is a lot of grey area, because there are SOME instances that suicide is justifiable, at least in my opinion. Like when someone is terminally ill, therefore already dying, as a way to shorten suffering.

Suicide is MANY things, but victimless? Suicide is hardly any less victimless than homicide.
Perfectly said, but I still think someone should have the right to vomit suicide if they so please, its there body, no one else's. But I do think, if o wish to end MY OWN life, I should be able to. Hell, I don't see why its illegel to kill yourself, what the fuck are they gonna do about it? Throw a corpse in jail?

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Old October 19th, 2014, 08:02 PM   #4
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A victimless crime? Are you kidding me?? Do you even KNOW what the aftermath of a suicide is?

Someone who loves the victim will most likely find their body, or some other innocent person.

Why is this it a big deal if it's some rando who doesn't even know them? SUICIDE IS GRAPHIC. DEATH, GRAPHIC.

There's a reason some people go into therapy after finding murder victims. Suicides can be just as bad.

Now imagine if you LOVE the person who is now a mangled corpse in front of you?

You also have to plan all these events so that they can be properly taken care of while you're still in shock and grief. People will judge you, and say awful things about you, and this person you love because suicide is so heavily misunderstood and stigmatized. Look at what happened to Zelda Williams after her father committed suicide this year. (Zelda is the daughter of the late comedian and actor Robin Williams, if you weren't already aware.)

When someone commits suicide, they leave a lot of people hurt, angry, frustrated, traumatized. People blame themselves, others. It can tear families apart.

Suicide is a complex topic, and there is a lot of grey area, because there are SOME instances that suicide is justifiable, at least in my opinion. Like when someone is terminally ill, therefore already dying, as a way to shorten suffering.

Suicide is MANY things, but victimless? Suicide is hardly any less victimless than homicide.
I was right when I said that EVERYONE would disagree. :/

It's just that living has become too much of a chore for me. I just don't like the idea of sitting in some security office late at night, all by myself, watching security cameras at some place that is probably gonna go bankrupt in the next month for 10 cents an hour for the rest of my life.
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Old October 19th, 2014, 08:08 PM   #5
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I was right when I said that EVERYONE would disagree. :/

It's just that living has become too much of a chore for me. I just don't like the idea of sitting in some security office late at night, all by myself, watching security cameras at some place that is probably gonna go bankrupt in the next month for 10 cents an hour for the rest of my life.
Because you're kind of wrong, no offense. I mean, suicide is a victimless crime to the person who commits it maybe- in which case homicide is as well- is the person going to know any better? No. They're dead.

The whole point of "victimless" means that no one but the perpetrator is affected... And that isn't even close to correct in this case.

Honestly? I do feel for you there, because my life is pretty much shit right now too. And I get that you were venting. It just makes me mad when suicide is taken too lightly, and I guess a lot of it is that I have...Quite a bit of knowledge about it, and how it can affect people.

When you try to kill yourself multiple times in a year, and you have some close brushes, you learn a thing or two, and realize a thing or two about what will happen when you're gone.


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Old October 19th, 2014, 08:13 PM   #6
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Because you're kind of wrong, no offense. I mean, suicide is a victimless crime to the person who commits it maybe- in which case homicide is as well- is the person going to know any better? No. They're dead.

The whole point of "victimless" means that no one but the perpetrator is affected... And that isn't even close to correct in this case.

Honestly? I do feel for you there, because my life is pretty much shit right now too. And I get that you were venting. It just makes me mad when suicide is taken too lightly, and I guess a lot of it is that I have...Quite a bit of knowledge about it, and how it can affect people.

When you try to kill yourself multiple times in a year, and you have some close brushes, you learn a thing or two, and realize a thing or two about what will happen when you're gone.
I know what you're saying, I just have a LOT of problems right now. Some of which are unsolvable, but I know that you'll disagree.
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Old October 19th, 2014, 08:15 PM   #7
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I know what you're saying, I just have a LOT of problems right now. Some of which are unsolvable, but I know that you'll disagree.
In which case I guess we can agree to disagree, I guess. I just don't like suicide being treated so flippantly.


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Old October 19th, 2014, 08:27 PM   #8
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I still wish I was dead, though.
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Old October 19th, 2014, 08:39 PM   #9
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I still wish I was dead, though.
Hey, I understand.

I'm not expecting my words to just automatically make you feel different, because I know they won't. And I know that you're rationalizing things at this point (Which means you need to get help, because that is a very dangerous place to be. I know.), however, I'm not going to pussyfoot around the topic either.

And you know, maybe I was a little harsh, and I'm sorry for that, it's just hard for me to not feel angry or emotional over a topic like this.

I know that all the factual information about death and suicide, all the horror stories in the world couldn't change your mind because I've been there. I know what it's like to just want to be gone. I still feel that way. A lot. Certainly a lot more than I let on here, or anywhere else.

The thing is, I'm sick. I have bipolar disorder, I have generalized anxiety disorder, and my old therapist hinted very heavily that I might have borderline personality disorder.

It is practically normal for me to want to die. Because I'm sick. Were I healthy and sound of mind, this would not be normal.

Suicidal thoughts are a symptom of illness. You are sick. Sick people need help. If you were able to get help, you might find that you find a reason to live. That dying isn't such an obvious option anymore.

I'm not saying you'll be "cured", and I'm not even saying that you'll never have your lows ever again... But life can be kind of nice. Don't you have dreams? Goals? Don't you have some crazy fantasy that makes you happy inside until you remember just how crazy it is?

Reality can really hurt, but sometimes, we don't realize that reality isn't static, unmoving. You can change what happens in your life to some extent. Always. I promise.

I'm not saying you need to suck it up- I'd be a total hypocrite, and I don't believe it as it is.

I'm just saying that I know you're in a seriously tough place right now, and while my first reaction is to be angry at you for not "having a better attitude" or some bullshit- who knows

The truth is, I can relate to what you're saying. A lot. Ok? You're not alone.


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I seriously don't get it. I feel like people should have the right to kill themselves if they so wish. It's not like they're hurting anybody, it's a victimless crime, in fact! Even though I'm sure everyone will disagree. I think it's selfish to try and stop somebody from killing themselves. It's their choice! If they're dead, they won't be able to feel pain or work for like 10 cents an hour. I also found out that they're building a suicide net on the Golden Gate bridge. Looks like I'm gonna have to bring a blow torch with me when I jump off of there...
It's selfish to kill yourself too, because you're not stopping to think the consequences this might have on other people. You're just looking for the easy way out for YOU and aren't giving a second though to how this may impact certain people who might actually care about you that you haven't considered. Seriously looking for a justification for suicide is way more selfish than someone trying to prevent it.



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Old October 19th, 2014, 09:44 PM   #11
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I know it may be like 'Hey, people suck.' But after losing so many precious people this year and last year, 2 for sickness and 1 from suicide, it really hurts. See, the difference is is that it can be helped. People don't have to suffer, they just have to find someone, whereas I understand euthanasia, those are terminal illnesses which cannot be treated and cause severe pain, but even if that was legalised (here anyway), there would be a lot of rules. Suicide is a selfish kinda act I think, because when you kill yourself, you affect everyone around you, whereas if someone tries to stop you, it stops you hurting everyone around you and hey, you get to live. I think that's a bonus.

THere are always helplines and people which want to help, but some people just don't find those people, but it can always be helped. Things don't have to end there and then with suicide.

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killing yourself is never the answer, no matter how much pain you are in. besides, the damage it does to the loved ones you leave behind...it can literally destroy the people you leave behind

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Usually people contemplating suicide feel alone and helpless. Knowing suicide signs from a loved one or even a stranger, and preventing a suicide from happening is very important and is sadly often overlooked and not fully understood. I don't find it selfish at all. It would be selfish if I saw someone in dire help and didn't do anything.

The fact someone is coming to aid to help them and possibly save them from making a rash and permanent decision to a most often than not temporary problem, and enlightening them with the realization that, someone is there for them, you are loved, live life the way it's meant to be. You're letting the bullies, the enemies, the evil thoughts win. We are all winners and all have a place in the earth.

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I seriously don't get it. I feel like people should have the right to kill themselves if they so wish. It's not like they're hurting anybody, it's a victimless crime, in fact! Even though I'm sure everyone will disagree. I think it's selfish to try and stop somebody from killing themselves. It's their choice! If they're dead, they won't be able to feel pain or work for like 10 cents an hour. I also found out that they're building a suicide net on the Golden Gate bridge. Looks like I'm gonna have to bring a blow torch with me when I jump off of there...

I fully disagree it isn't a victimless crime it affects your entire family your friends and just about anyone you had a relationship of some sort with and i think people try to stop others because the one trying to commit suicide arnt thinking right at the time but the person who's trying to stop you normally is, if i seen someone trying to kill themselves id try and stop them.
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It's selfish to kill yourself too, because you're not stopping to think the consequences this might have on other people. You're just looking for the easy way out for YOU and aren't giving a second though to how this may impact certain people who might actually care about you that you haven't considered. Seriously looking for a justification for suicide is way more selfish than someone trying to prevent it.
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I'm not saying you'll be "cured", and I'm not even saying that you'll never have your lows ever again... But life can be kind of nice. Don't you have dreams? Goals?
Well, I used to have dreams and goals. And sure, I guess life can be kinda nice, but not completely. It has to be completely nice and I need to have recovered all the time I lost doing useless bulls***. The latter is impossible. Which means there's no point in going on if I'm just gonna be putting up with infinite bulls***.

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I'm kind of appalled at what you said. For the same reasons that others have already explained. Anytime someone is trying to commit suicide you should try to stop them, but if they succeed it doesn't mean they were selfish, just mentally ill. Also, suicide isn't really a "choice". Its a conscious decision, but when you are so depressed that you want to kill yourself you aren't in the right state of mind, you cant always completely comprehend what your doing and what the consequences will be.

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I'm kind of appalled at what you said. For the same reasons that others have already explained. Anytime someone is trying to commit suicide you should try to stop them, but if they succeed it doesn't mean they were selfish, just mentally ill. Also, suicide isn't really a "choice". Its a conscious decision, but when you are so depressed that you want to kill yourself you aren't in the right state of mind, you cant always completely comprehend what your doing and what the consequences will be.
Basically, I couldn't say it any better than this. I know you're pretty insistent on knowing what you think you want, but the truth is that you're depressed, and that kinda inhibits you from the clarity of mind needed to make that decision.


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I'm kind of appalled at what you said. For the same reasons that others have already explained. Anytime someone is trying to commit suicide you should try to stop them, but if they succeed it doesn't mean they were selfish, just mentally ill. Also, suicide isn't really a "choice". Its a conscious decision, but when you are so depressed that you want to kill yourself you aren't in the right state of mind, you cant always completely comprehend what your doing and what the consequences will be.
There are no bad things that'll happen if you're dead, though.
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There are no bad things that'll happen if you're dead, though.
Yeah, but like what Ren said, it'll have a huge impact on those who really care about you. Do you really want to see them suffer? (not trying to pick on you or anything) but there's so much to life, why end it? Try to find the good in the bad, and if you feel hopeless, you have friends and family to guide you.

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Yeah, but like what Ren said, it'll have a huge impact on those who really care about you. Do you really want to see them suffer? (not trying to pick on you or anything) but there's so much to life, why end it? Try to find the good in the bad, and if you feel hopeless, you have friends and family to guide you.
But the bad outnumbers the good 100/1. About me impacting them, it's not fair that I have to stay on this planet in horrible agony, but if I'm dead, I can't feel pain, and I won't be able to see them suffer. Also, why end it? The question really is... Why not end it?!
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