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Old November 10th, 2017, 12:59 PM   #41
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Lol. Rates of illegitimacy and homosexual behavior decades ago show that it does in fact work.
Or it implies those portions of society were living underground, or suppressing those urges to great unhappiness back then for fear of retribution. But my point, always present in existence, and understudied.

The past did not ask a lot of questions, they just took beliefs at face value because previously established beliefs and morals were pushed on them. It wasn't until late 80's 90's around a response to the AID's crisis did people start thinking more comprehensively in more liberal parts of America.

Certainly our generation is more accepting and less judgmental than those of our grandparents.
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Old November 10th, 2017, 01:38 PM   #42
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Or it implies those portions of society were living underground, or suppressing those urges to great unhappiness back then for fear of retribution. But my point, always present in existence, and understudied.
That's a nice story you've told yourself.

There's no evidence for it though.
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Old November 10th, 2017, 03:37 PM   #43
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That's a nice story you've told yourself.

There's no evidence for it though.
There is a lot of evidence from testimonials and hate crime statistics, but I digress.

But on the equal pay issue, their is truth to both sides. There have been cases where two basic retail store employees at the same level have a $1-5 pay differences and one is a male and the other is a female. None, had kids.

So there really wasn't an excuse. I remember it made the news back in the 2014 election cycle but was overshadowed by other stories deemed higher priority (weather events, mass tragedies).

Those stories happened and in this one both got fired because they disclosed their pay information, a violation of their employment NDA terms and conditions.
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Old November 10th, 2017, 08:01 PM   #44
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That's a nice story you've told yourself.

There's no evidence for it though.
where's the sauce for anything you have said in this thread tho
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Old November 10th, 2017, 08:24 PM   #45
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where's the sauce for anything you have said in this thread tho
Such as?
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Old November 10th, 2017, 09:07 PM   #46
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Such as?
Such as rates of illegitimacy and homosexuals, having a direct connection and causation to the past "suffering" they endured to those behaviors not existing or at least as I counter argued not being expressed openly.


But regarding the equal pay argument, I just offered a direct example within 6 years of timeframe, and it seems to have been brushed off.
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Old November 11th, 2017, 01:15 PM   #47
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Such as rates of illegitimacy and homosexuals, having a direct connection and causation to the past "suffering" they endured to those behaviors not existing or at least as I counter argued not being expressed openly.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr48/nvs48_16.pdf (graph on the first page)

Illegitimacy has skyrocketed over the last 50 years.

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But regarding the equal pay argument, I just offered a direct example within 6 years of timeframe, and it seems to have been brushed off.
I didn't address it because whether or not there presently exists a wage gap is not particularly interesting to me.
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Old November 11th, 2017, 10:34 PM   #48
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I didn't address it because whether or not there presently exists a wage gap is not particularly interesting to me.
Sorry but I'm at a loss here,if you are not interested in whether wage gaps exist why do you take part in a discussion about equal pay?


Anyway...what I want to learn about this issue from people claiming pay isn't equal here. I understand that there are differences in pay for males and females. And I see that females work more part time due to the fact that they usually have to care for the kids and all. That they often don't get the promotion a male gets either because the female isn't as prepared to ask for it ... or the company wants to give the job to the male since there isn't the risk he will be away due to a pregnancy or so. I don't wanna repeat all those things here.

What I was always wondering is do companies really pay a different wage for the same job, same working hours at the same qualifications?
Are there proves this happens? And how is this justified by the company in question? What industries or companies do that?
If the female works part time sure she gets less than the male who works full time in the same job but the pay per hour should be the same,right? Is there really a difference in the money per hours? Since that would be the key issue here.
All the other things mentioned are social factors stemming from gender roles attributed by society. They basically don't have anything to do with the companies.
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Old November 12th, 2017, 03:02 PM   #49
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Sorry but I'm at a loss here,if you are not interested in whether wage gaps exist why do you take part in a discussion about equal pay?


Anyway...what I want to learn about this issue from people claiming pay isn't equal here. I understand that there are differences in pay for males and females. And I see that females work more part time due to the fact that they usually have to care for the kids and all. That they often don't get the promotion a male gets either because the female isn't as prepared to ask for it ... or the company wants to give the job to the male since there isn't the risk he will be away due to a pregnancy or so. I don't wanna repeat all those things here.

What I was always wondering is do companies really pay a different wage for the same job, same working hours at the same qualifications?
Are there proves this happens? And how is this justified by the company in question? What industries or companies do that?
If the female works part time sure she gets less than the male who works full time in the same job but the pay per hour should be the same,right? Is there really a difference in the money per hours? Since that would be the key issue here.
All the other things mentioned are social factors stemming from gender roles attributed by society. They basically don't have anything to do with the companies.

It's one of those grey areas to be honest because to get such data you have blocks regarding privacy laws and Non-disclosure agreements. So when lawsuits like these begin, usually you have to sue the company for information.

It is also of note that hours given to part time employee, differ from full time not just in time awarded, but also in the rate of pay and that is worked out on an individual basis between the company heads (owner, or higher up in the Human Resources Dept.)

If you are a female entrepreneur, you do encounter a lot of sexist comments and expectations (reference: #MeToo movement as evidence in multiple industries) especially when starting out seeking for venture capital money to launch a business off the ground.
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Old November 13th, 2017, 05:45 AM   #50
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@Dalcourt
Right 'before' he compared Homosexuals to Bums is when I gave up, glad I did. He is completely unwilling to rethink his beliefs; No point.

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Old December 20th, 2017, 12:41 AM   #51
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Well what's wrong with having a man do the housekeeping and the woman work? I mean, if both the wife and husband are passionate about things that differ from this restraining gender role, well why not? If they both like their jobs, it should be fine.

Moreover, people have their own reasons in divorcing so in those cases you should not interfere negatively - life's already so hard for them, and coming back to a husband which she cannot love or making the same mistake with her ex-husband would not be an option.

Also, being a lesbian would be a personal choice which certainly would not affect work productivity. Such a conviction would be discriminatory.

On the logical side, a person should only get paid more or less where work productivity, effort, punctuality and participation is involved. So if anyone is absent from work, whether they are a man or woman, let them compensate with not being paid (on that day), not with consistently being paid LESS!

It is such an outrageous notion for this to be determined with archaic gender roles....

And Arkansasguy, if you were married as a gay couple, would you like to be paid less?

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Old December 21st, 2017, 09:57 PM   #52
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Arkansasguy, if you were married as a gay couple, would you like to be paid less?
*Statement does not apply to me* *Does not compute! Does not compute!*

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Old December 21st, 2017, 11:01 PM   #53
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veering away from this really dumb irrelevant discussion we've spiraled into, i just want to put it out there once more that y'all can quote me with a link to a study regarding men and women working the same position in the same industry.

the wage gap is an interesting statistic, but it's not some conspiracy by corporate america to keep women down, nor is it some kind of epidemic of woman hating. women aren't just paid less for no reason.
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